Video: “It doesn’t matter if gun violence is down”

posted at 8:21 pm on December 17, 2012 by Guy Benson

Katie flags this quote from CNN anchor Don Lemon, who won’t allow facts to complicate his righteous public emoting about US gun laws (expanded transcript via Breitbart):

Listen, for the past three days, I have been on the verge of tears every second, and most of the people here have been crying 24 hours straight. Yes, we need to address mental health, but mental health in this particular issue — let’s not get it twisted — is a secondary issue. If someone who has a mental issue did not  have access to guns that should only be available in war zones, we would not be dealing with this. Who needs a bullet piercing, armor piercing bullet to go hunting? Who needs an assault rifle to go hunting? You can’t even use the prey that you kill with an assault rifle if you indeed do it. no one needs an assault rifle to go out and shoot a deer. … That’s the issue that we need to deal with. So to say that gun violence is down does not make sense. To me, it’s insulting to everyone who lost a loved one here and who was dealing with that. It doesn’t matter if gun violence is down. 20 children are dead here and 6 adults are dead, and the mother of a person who was not mentally — who is mentally challenged in some way is dead. so to say that gun violence is down — we need to talk about mental health, yes. mental health is a secondary issue. We need to get guns and bullets and automatic weapons off the streets. They should only be available to police officers and to hunt al Qaeda and the Taliban and not hunt children.

Let’s set aside Lemon’s purported role as a newsman, and ignore the callow and manipulative implication that anguish alone somehow bolsters the legitimacy of an argument.  Truth be told, I am among those Americans who are conflicted over guns and gun policy.  In the immediate wake of Friday’s nightmarish slaughter, I tweeted some of the complex thoughts I’ve harbored on the subject for some time, drawing heated responses from both sides.  On one hand, it seems indisputable that firearms — high-powered, high-capacity ones in particular — make these sorts of horrors significantly easier to perpetrate.  Yes, other weapons have been used in acts of mass violence, but guns are an especially efficient tool to wreak human carnage.  The body counts in Tucson, Aurora, and Newtown would almost certainly have been substantially lower if those deranged individuals were wielding knives, to pick one example (click the previous link and look for the death toll).  On the other hand, there’s considerable evidence that higher gun ownership actually diminishes violent crime in the aggregate.  I’ve also internalized the truth that malevolent actors will often find a way to get their hands on firearms one way or another, so disarming the overwhelmingly law-abiding public would amount to a unilateral disarmament — rendering innocents virtually defenseless in the face of in-progress gun violence.  Waiting for the police to arrive mid-rampage isn’t much of a solution for imminent targets.  It’s also a fact that strict gun laws do not magically solve the problem of gun violence.  See, for instance, the horrific Chicago bloodletting.  Indeed, the Newtown shooter reportedly used weapons that were purchased legally and dutifully registered by someone else (his mother), who lived in a state with restrictive laws.  Should Congress pass the ‘Don’t-Let-Your-Psychotic-Son-Steal-Your-Guns-To-Kill-You-And-Others’ Act of 2012?  What would that accomplish, exactly?  And beyond these legitimate practical concerns, there’s also that pesky detail called the United States Constitution, and the individual liberties it enshrines.

Unlike many conservatives, I don’t reflexively bristle at the term “common-sense gun control.”  The mere notion of placing some limits on the types of guns average people can purchase does not offend.  Calls for legislative action to keep certain weapons out of the hands of mentally unstable people strike me as reasonable.  I also recognize that myriad regulations along these lines already exist, and I’m skeptical that proposing more grief-fueled laws is a meaningful solution.  And even if one could accurately project that passing Gun Law X would save Y number of lives, where do Constitutional rights come into play, and who gets to weigh those factors?  If curtailing the First Amendment could also be scientifically proven to save some quantifiable number of lives, would we tolerate additional government limits on those core, specifically-enumerated freedoms?  These are extraordinarily difficult questions.  In fact, even the mental health discussions that crop up after these tragedies can lead down some worrisome paths regarding civil liberties and the public good.  I’m heartbroken over Newtown, I’ve been grappling with these quandaries for days, and I admittedly have no clean answers.  But as one of those citizens who does not hold especially dogmatic views on guns, I’m repulsed by Lemon’s emotionally-charged diatribe, which explicitly rejects empirical evidence.  It’s dishonest and exploitive.  It is troubling that many of the voices clamoring loudest for a “national conversation” about gun policy already seem to have their minds made up about what sorts of guns should be available, and to whom.  If that’s how one feels, one should at least be intellectually honest and make open calls for sweeping bans and “confiscation.”   Let’s see how that “conversation” goes.

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Who needs an assault rifle to go hunting? You can’t even use the prey that you kill with an assault rifle if you indeed do it. no one needs an assault rifle to go out and shoot a deer.

News to me, I’ve got venison in my freezer that came from a deer my son hunted and shot with an SKS.

This is yet another dumbf**k who has never handled a gun, never hunted, and thinks food comes from his local grocery store.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

“My mind is made up! Don’t confuse me with facts! Gun control! Global warming! RACIST!!!”

RoadRunner on December 17, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Of course it doesn’t matter. The Left see this as an opportunity to push gun control, and that’s all they care about.

changer1701 on December 17, 2012 at 8:29 PM

where’s the discussion about “gun free” zones? they don’t work and the peeps that pushed this nonsense have alot of blood on their hands.

newrouter on December 17, 2012 at 8:30 PM

The mere notion of placing some limits on the types of guns average people can purchase does not offend.

I feel the same way about the First Amendment. From now on, average bloggers should only use vowels.

Ronnie on December 17, 2012 at 8:30 PM

If police can have an AR15, I can have an AR15. Period.

stackedeck on December 17, 2012 at 8:31 PM

A particularly accurate post from the greenroom thread. Just in case the original poster doesn’t wander over to this thread to repost it themselves …

Can we drop the premise that the purpose of owning a gun in America is to allow you to go hunting and target shooting? That’s not what the second amendment is about. It specifically states that its purpose is to ensure “the security of a free State.” Hunting, sport shooting, etc. are all secondary.

Shump on December 17, 2012 at 4:45 PM

That about sums it up if you ask me.

Lost in Jersey on December 17, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Obama Cares….

Problem solved.

Electrongod on December 17, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Who needs a bullet piercing, armor piercing bullet to go hunting? Who needs an assault rifle to go hunting?

Who was thinking about hunting when he wrote the Second Amendment?

Ronnie on December 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

ahhhhh… must be King Lemon the King of England 1776…

somehow, I Don’t think the founding fathers was think’n bout hunting.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Who needs an assault rifle to go hunting?

Who needs a gun to go hunting? You can hunt with bow and arrow.
Who needs bow and arrow to go hunting? You can hunt with a spear.
Who needs a spear to go hunting? You can hunt with a knife.
Who needs a knife to go hunting? You can hunt at the grocery store with a credit card.
Who needs a credit card to go shopping? You can shop with food stamps if you love Obama.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

“It doesn’t matter if gun violence is down”

They don’t care what the facts are, they just want the power.

Let’s set aside Lemon’s purported role as a newsman, and ignore the callow and manipulative implication that anguish alone somehow bolsters the legitimacy of an argument.

That would be a mistake.

That is precisely how they think. That is in fact what their entire argument is based on. They don’t think, they emote and if you aren’t part of their in-group and willing to go in whatever direction the herd takes you, you are the enemy.

It is troubling that many of the voices clamoring loudest for a “national conversation” about gun policy already seem to have their minds made up about what sorts of guns should be available, and to whom.

It’s almost as if they don’t really care about the actual arguments being made, or the truth, but rather have a pre-determined agenda which they mean to see enacted come hell or high water.

sharrukin on December 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Let’s set aside Lemon’s purported role as a newsman

A newsman? What is that, pray tell?

Myron Falwell on December 17, 2012 at 8:33 PM

If police can have an AR15, I can have an AR15. Period.

stackedeck on December 17, 2012 at 8:31 PM

This.

Where the Hell are the NRA and Republican leadership on this ?

Mr. Arrogant on December 17, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Lemon always manages to hit a sour note.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 8:34 PM

That’s not what the second amendment is about. It specifically states that its purpose is to ensure “the security of a free State.” Hunting, sport shooting, etc. are all secondary.

Shump on December 17, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Precisely. It’s purpose is to make certain the government never rests easy when legislating burdensome laws.

sharrukin on December 17, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Lemon is cherry picking the data.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Video: “It doesn’t matter if gun violence is down”

Only a useless Marxist imbecile could fall for logic this illogical. How could anyone honestly be this stupid?

On the tragic loss of 20 innocent children.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 8:38 PM

… This is yet another dumbf**k who has never handled a gun, never hunted, and thinks food comes from his local grocery store.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Indeed.

M240H on December 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Unlike many conservatives, I don’t reflexively bristle at the term “common-sense gun control.” The mere notion of placing some limits on the types of guns average people can purchase does not offend.

That is the problem Mr. Benson that too many on our side have. Ask Bloomberg, Feinstein, or Schumer about that so called common sense.

NRA tried to educate school children re firearms safety in NY with the Eddie Eagle program and he quickly put the stops to that idea. Why? Because those nanny state smarter than all the rest of us do not want people comfortable and knowledgeable about guns.

arnold ziffel on December 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Absolute moron.

Mental health is the primary issue in this case.
If the guy wasn’t batshiite crazy, he wouldn’t have killed anyone – even if he did have guns.
And again – one stable person in that school with a CCW could have stopped him before anyone got killed.
Gun free zones kill school kids!!!!

dentarthurdent on December 17, 2012 at 8:40 PM

The media makes me sick. Period.

My only real hope here is that as we try to move on from this everyone will just focus on trying to put their lives back together and any steam this has will just puff away.

Gatsu on December 17, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Lemon has been hanging out in the sun too long. The yellow belly is rotten to the core.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Hummmmmmm……

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%932011)

Course Jeffrey Immelt forgot to tell us this, when he was ‘splain’ how well Communism Works

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 17, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Isn’t Lemon that same dork who couldn’t believe that the US didn’t win the bid to host the summer Olympics in Chicago. He was just so sure, so damn sure that almighty O had worked his magic on the selection committee that the decision was in the bag. Then when he heard the news he had to ask repeatedly, not Chicago?!? Not Chicago?!? Any respect I may have had for him was completely lost then. I could care less what he thinks now. His opinion means diddly sqwat!!

glennbo on December 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM

i never paid any attention to what don lemon had to say.

ever since he came out of the closet, his words now have extra meaning.

renalin on December 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM

The body counts in Tucson, Aurora, and Newtown would almost certainly have been substantially lower if those deranged individuals were wielding knives

Or they could have been substantially higher if they’d bought some fertilizer and made a bomb. It’s not hard to do, and it’s considerably less trouble to obtain the materials than it is to steal a gun.

arik1969 on December 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Liberals want a conversation the same way parents have “conversations” with their children when they’ve done something wrong.

To liberals, law abiding Americans are nothing more than children to be lectured and told what to do by those of authority.

drewwerd on December 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM

No gun of any type can kill as many people as a car with a maniac at the wheel. In fact, cars kill more than guns by how many orders of magnitude? I want cars outlawed!

On the other hand, perish the thought. They’ll get to it someday, too.

Archivarix on December 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Ban high capacity clips –> person carries 20 clips with 10 bullets each.

tjexcite on December 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM

I’m heartbroken over Newtown, I’ve been grappling with these quandaries for days, and I admittedly have no clean answers.

Then, you should stop and educate yourself. The LAST thing for ANYONE to do is to craft public policy based upon emotion.

First, learn about the gun laws that we already have. So much of what people say that we need, we already have:

Gun Control Laws: We Already Do That!

Look at the murder rate per 100,000 from 1900-2011. Then, look at the AWB and the increase in the CCW rights since 1986:

The AWB or CCW Laws: Which Has Had More Of An Impact On The Murder Rate?

Learn about what has happened in other countries that have banned guns or have much stricter gun laws:

Ban Guns, Increase Gun Crime!


Jimmy’s Got A Gun

Lastly, the Bill of Rights is not the Bill of Needs. The Second Amendment is not about what kind of guns Americans need to hunt. The Founding Fathers did not draft the Second Amendment to give hunters a right to own double-barreled shotguns.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM

The barest minimum of investigation into the purpose of the 2nd Amendment would inform anyone who cared to look that the right to bear arms is not only to provide for a means to protect the state from foreign invaders, but to protect the citizens from the potentially overbearing power of the state. Most gun grabbers know this, and that’s precisely why the want to grab the guns.

arik1969 on December 17, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I’m heartbroken over Newtown, I’ve been grappling with these quandaries for days, and I admittedly have no clean answers.

Then, you should stop and educate yourself. The LAST thing for ANYONE to do is to craft public policy based upon emotion.

First, learn about the gun laws that we already have. So much of what people say that we need, we already have:

Gun Control Laws: We Already Do That!

Look at the murder rate per 100,000 from 1900-2011. Then, look at the AWB and the increase in the CCW rights since 1986:

The AWB or CCW Laws: Which Has Had More Of An Impact On The Murder Rate?

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Also:

Learn about what has happened in other countries that have banned guns or have much stricter gun laws:

Ban Guns, Increase Gun Crime!


Jimmy’s Got A Gun

Lastly, the Bill of Rights is not the Bill of Needs. The Second Amendment is not about what kind of guns Americans need to hunt. The Founding Fathers did not draft the Second Amendment to give hunters a right to own double-barreled shotguns.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

We need to get guns and bullets and automatic weapons off the streets. They should only be available to police officers…

Does anyone find it ironic that a black man is arguing that only the police should be armed?

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 8:56 PM

come on, rodge, answer the question: was jarder loughner tackled while attempting to reload? could he have been tackled earlier had he not had so many goddamn bullets in one mag?
 
sesquipedalian on December 17, 2012 at 1:33 PM

 
Low-capacity magazines and their inherent increase in tackling opportunities during reloads is the answer, morons.

rogerb on December 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Good evening everyone :-)

I like what you did here Sparky!:


Who needs a gun to go hunting? You can hunt with bow and arrow.
Who needs bow and arrow to go hunting? You can hunt with a spear.
Who needs a spear to go hunting? You can hunt with a knife.
Who needs a knife to go hunting? You can hunt at the grocery store with a credit card.
Who needs a credit card to go shopping? You can shop with food stamps if you love Obama.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM

ignore the callow and manipulative implication that anguish alone somehow bolsters the legitimacy of an argument.

without callow, manipulative propaganda the left would be nothing…well, that and strategically place Money.

Most conservatives understand that ‘common-sense’ is Code…for the most radical agenda they can squeeze thru at any given moment. It is code…not real Guy.

It is true that semi-automatics and associate clips etc. are force multipliers. But what is seriously unclear to me is your romanticizing the ‘civil liberties’ aspect of civil commitment

You are assuming that everyone is more or less the same…people that can the helped and live more or less normal lives with some assistance. I don’t believe that. I believe that there are very dangerous people living among us. Further, that this small percentage accounts for a large percentage of crime. And that a certain percentage explain most murders.

Should there be due process…well, sure…but Dr. K was able to confine people, and I think that we could go back to a system in the early 60s without trauma to the Constitution…and with a lot of good effects.

Let’s face it…when fellow students are scared of the VA Tech shooter before his rampage, maybe just maybe the sane thing to do for Everyone’s good is civil commitment.

r keller on December 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

This turd is precisely why leftists frighten me more than 100 Adam Lanza’s. These people have a totalitarian streak in them that would make Stalin blush.

jawkneemusic on December 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

3000+ babies aborted a day. Some of us have been crying for years — we just don’t use our grief to score Mr. Compassion points on TV.

29Victor on December 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Who needs a gun to go hunting? You can hunt with bow and arrow.
Who needs a spear to go hunting? You can hunt with a knife.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Ya that’s the ticket – except for that mentally unstable kid in Wyoming who just killed his Dad’s girlfriend and his Dad – with a bow & arrow…..

dentarthurdent on December 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Personally I believe firearms were, and are, the single greatest protectors of individual liberty. Remove them and we’d go back to the days of ‘the biggest, strongest and most aggressive gets/does what they want’, serfdom, feudalism (or a more up-to-date example – any Friday night on any main street). Only a firearm allows the small, the weak or the old some means of defending against a larger, stronger or younger attacker.

The point is that in a society where guns and violence exist, these incidents happen exclusively in areas where the perpetrator KNOWS that no one else will be armed. Does that not show that even the criminals (and allegedly insane) can see how effective a deterrent an armed populace is? Grossly over-valued, no, grossly misrepresented.

Guns, or any other weapon, are not the problem. It is what makes the perp TICK, is the problem. And THAT we will never cure…

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM

All the laws Connecticut has on the books already (one of the most restrictive gun states) would not have stopped this nut case one bit. May have offered a stumbling block or two. But in the end, strict gun control laws, and no gun zones, and a school district and school with advanced safety procedures already in place…as a parent, yeah, tghe anguish all the parents, and most of that community feel is real, very real, and for good reason. First graders, for God’s sake…murdered in the place where they were considered safe, among friends.

I cannot fathom the depths of the pain the families must feel, but I can certainly empathize.

It isn’t gun laws, or tossing out the Second Amendment, that is going to change things.

Not one bit.

How about we go after the most salient vein of this problem?

The culture of violence, gangsta rap (guests routinely at the White House) and glorified in music, film and among a huge swath of our youth, white, black and Hispanic, Asian and others, and parents just go along with it?

And the plethora of video games that run the gamut of topics, but all have at their core the blowing away of people, in awesome graphic and often unique ways…seen as entertainment.

The best brainwash experts of any evil regime in the past century could not have done a better job in inculcating among our youth that killing is cool, fun, a game, something to get your name out there as some sort of video game here all across the net.

And the parents, if there are parents, just let it happen. Gee, my kid was such a wonderful bright kid, he’s never done anything like that before…

But this guy, in Connecticut…a known “problem” with serious issues, removed from the normal school environment (for cause) and home schooled…without a lot if any professional inte4rvention.

Sounds like that Joker character out in Aurora.

And a few others of recent past.

No. It is not the guns (some guy in China just slaughtered a bunch of kids with a knife this past week) so, no, it is not the guns.

It is the culture to which we have devolved.

But, a lot of us have known this for a long long time.

Some have gone Galt. Some have simply stopped fighting.

But, it is well past the mere problem stage at this point.

And, in the end, our guns are going to be our only defense when the time comes.

If we are to save what little is left of our Nation, and culture.

coldwarrior on December 17, 2012 at 9:03 PM

3000+ babies aborted a day. Some of us have been crying for years — we just don’t use our grief to score Mr. Compassion points on TV.
29Victor on December 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

+1

jawkneemusic on December 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Or they could have been substantially higher if they’d bought some fertilizer and made a bomb. It’s not hard to do, and it’s considerably less trouble to obtain the materials than it is to steal a gun.

arik1969 on December 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

In the Tucson case, if Loughner had driven a high-clearance 4WD across the parking lot at high speed, he could have committed much more mayhem than he did. Perfectly legal purchase and vehicle, no waiting period. He bought the gun, he could have used that money to rent a vehicle for a day. Would have also been much harder to stop.

Lemon’s comments are purely nonsensical. Armor piercing rounds weren’t used in the Newtown atrocity; the kids weren’t wearing bullet-proof vests, so that is a foolish stretch and betrays the real objectives of these gun grabbers. The things against which he is railing were not a factor in the atrocity but are now on the gun grabbers’ list of goals and objectives to achieve by exploiting this tragedy.

Yeah, “I don’t care if gun violence is down …” i.e, “Don’t confuse me with the facts!”

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Your blog is rocking!! Keep uo the good work :-)

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 9:05 PM

DC Vs HELLER:

On the Meaning of “Arms”

“The 18th-century meaning is no different from the meaning today. . . . The term was applied, then as now, to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity. . . . Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.”

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2008/highlights-from-the-heller-decision.aspx

TX-96 on December 17, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Since the AR15 is not a military weapon. The Heller case made gun bans illegal.

TX-96 on December 17, 2012 at 9:06 PM

There seems to be many members of the media that have very little experience with or knowledge of firearms and why they are fundamental to America and it’s peoples’ government.

d1carter on December 17, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Well, we can ban guns, but we can’t eradicate evil:

4 injured after woman doused with chemical, set on fire at Denver apartment</strong>

What’s the point? The point is that if someone decides to kill another person, they will find a way.

It isn’t guns. It’s people.

Cody1991 on December 17, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Thx. Just trying to cut through the emotional fog with facts.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 9:07 PM

guns that should only be available in war zones

 
Speaking of, if anyone would like to buy an actual “war zones!!!” gun FROM the federal government:
 
http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/m1garand.htm
 
Drive to hand pick one if you can, and buy ammo while you’re there.

rogerb on December 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

I don’t reflexively bristle at the term “common-sense gun control.

I do when it is combined with ham-fisted emotive bleating peppered with ‘keywords’ strung together in some kind of stream of Chris Matthews and Hennessy VSOP consciousness.

Like this: Only a monster could support the existence of evil black machine canons with tactical doodads that are armor piercing bullets of doom and THINK OF THE CHILDREN OMG and military supermarkets do not belong in civilian trashcans that wear body armor. Yes. It is clear we need gun control.

CorporatePiggy on December 17, 2012 at 9:09 PM

29Victor on December 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

With you on that.

Breaks my heart, and liberals are heartless when is comes to this topic, I have been called some pretty disgusting things by libs when asking them about the murders daily of unborns.

I also pointed out the death rate in Chicago, and to quote the person, “Who cares about ni**ers drug pushers and addicts and prostitutes.” unquote…

I asked how can you care about one kind of human life but not another?

No answer and the subject was changed…

I get that alot…

I persevere tho :-)

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

This racist idiot is as dumb as they come. .

Just the ticket for the stupid libs to cling to.
Another O’puke soldier.

Texyank on December 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Only time for one post……

Hi Scrumpy!

Sparky, you rock!

coldwarrior, hope you are doing well.

Haven’t been around much, but happy to see that HA is in good hands as usual.

Jvette on December 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 9:07 PM

You do that so well!! I appreciate you very much…

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Jvette on December 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Hi Jvette!! Be well!! Don’t be a stranger :-)

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Cody1991 on December 17, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Only human beings have the knowledge and the where with all to do untold harm to others…in as many ways as possible and imaginable.

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 9:14 PM

This turd is precisely why leftists frighten me more than 100 Adam Lanza’s. These people have a totalitarian streak in them that would make Stalin blush.

jawkneemusic on December 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

.
Totalitarian is exactly what the long-term goal is.

The gun-control laws and the global environmental movement are all about that, and nothing else.

listens2glenn on December 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM

You know what they say–When life hands you Lemons, they’ll eventually dump their wife and come out of the closet!

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM

My neck of the woods-neighboring county.
Reality everyday..not about guns. Decay
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/10/05/14-year-old-charged-adult-newborns-death

bazil9 on December 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Hey, Scrumpy!

How’s Mr. Beagle? I asked the other day what the final decision was for his name. Sam?

Hope all is well.

Cody1991 on December 17, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Barbara Boxer just went ‘Spock’ on a TV talk Show, declaring the needs (safety) of the many outway the desires…or Constitutional Rights… of the few…that even though a nut job, not law abiding citizen, in a state with high gun control legislation, stole guns after he couldn’t get them legally & perpetrated this crime.

It doesn’t matter than stripping non-crazy/criminals of their weapons/rights will only create more, defenseless poeple on which these criminals will prey.

easyt65 on December 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM

You know what they say–When life hands you Lemons, they’ll eventually dump their wife and come out of the closet!

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM

“Sweet and Sour, like my boyfriend, and my wife”
*you had to be there

VegasRick on December 17, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Yes, other weapons have been used in acts of mass violence, but guns are an especially efficient tool to wreak human carnage.

Actually, they’re not. Fire or explosives are more effective killers.

But, for some strange reason nobody’s been able to figure out, mass violence by guns gets the majority of news play in the modern mass media.

Socratease on December 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

The only thing that barky said last night that I agree with is that we need to have a serious conversation about mental health.

This is never about guns, it is everthing about power.

Cold, dead, fingers, some assembly required.

D-fusit on December 17, 2012 at 9:27 PM

29Victor on December 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Yep.

And our current President and his wife had no problem at all about leaving them in a storeroom until they gasped their last if the medical procedure didn’t do the job.

coldwarrior on December 17, 2012 at 9:31 PM

“Sweet and Sour, like my boyfriend, and my wife”
*you had to be there

VegasRick on December 17, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Hahahaha!–As Yoda would say, “More awesome than Bellagio, that was!”

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 17, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Yes, other weapons have been used in acts of mass violence, but guns are an especially efficient tool to wreak human carnage.

Actually, they’re not. Fire or explosives are more effective killers.

But, for some strange reason nobody’s been able to figure out, mass violence by guns gets the majority of news play in the modern mass media.

Socratease on December 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Sky jacks and de’ planes have been very effective for many years.
Those who seek to kill, will. 9/11 and Pearl Harbor would be 2 examples. They turn into very nice fire explosives..no?

bazil9 on December 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

come on, rodge, answer the question: was jarder loughner tackled while attempting to reload? could he have been tackled earlier had he not had so many goddamn bullets in one mag?

sesquipedalian on December 17, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Would a five round magazine be an acceptable size capacity?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

come on, rodge, answer the question: was jarder loughner tackled while attempting to reload? could he have been tackled earlier had he not had so many goddamn bullets in one mag?

sesquipedalian on December 17, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Who is “jarder loughner”?

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Rogerb- my grandfather bought an M1 through that program. Beautiful weapon.

It was an emotional day when he came to my house to fire it. It was the first time he had fired one since he left New Guinea all those years ago. It opened up a floodgate. Before that, he never spoke a word about what he went through.

But I’ll tell you this,, I saw the look in his face after about the 2nd or 3rd round when it dropped from his shoulder and he started firing from the hip. Nailing the target.

It was scary, beautiful, and illuminating all at once.

I’ll never forget that day.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Speaking of, if anyone would like to buy an actual “war zones!!!” gun FROM the federal government:

rogerb on December 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Dear Gaia, what if that gun thing jumped up and pumped me full of clips at 30 bullets a second.

Think I’ll pass.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Unlike many conservatives, I don’t reflexively bristle at the term “common-sense gun control.”

Well, that says a lot.
How about “common sense” speech control or “common sense” internet site controls or “common sense” religion control.
Sorry guy, you just lost me pal.
Whenever I hear “common sense” and “reasonable laws” I hear echoing warnings from history.

Amendment X on December 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Drive to hand pick one if you can, and buy ammo while you’re there.

rogerb on December 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Thanks for the tip rogerb. Already have one in my inventory. Its a hand me down, but still. ; )

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Excellent post!

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 9:45 PM

what if that gun thing jumped up and pumped me full of clips at 30 bullets a second.
 
Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 9:38 PM

 
Whoa, you must’ve had the opportunity to fire pretty much every caliber handgun, including most semi-autos or something.

rogerb on December 17, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Jarder is the guy who visited the Safeway I bought lunch at on Friday.

I care little to hear sesquaches pontifications.

I was going to go to that event. I overslept. I had been to them all. The townhalls. All of them. The protests at her office on Pima St. Saguaro high school.

And I was armed at every one not at a school with 15+1 and 15 more. Including her office.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Citizen control.

— — ~~~~~~~~~ walks off muttering ~~~~~~~~~ — —

hillbillyjim on December 17, 2012 at 9:51 PM

If someone who has a mental issue did not have access to guns that should only be available in war zones

Wait, do you have any idea how hard it is to legally acquire an AR-15 with an EOTech sight, 30 round magazine, PEC-4 IR laser, and fore-hand vertical grip is to get in Chicago? Or San Francisco, Oakland, or any other inner-city in the US? They’re all war zones!

Also, the Stoner 63 system, minus all the plastic and just the direct gas impingement bolt carrier group, is much, much better suited to the hunting of game than men. Collects fouling too easily. Give me a piston-operated weapon any day.

Sgt Steve on December 17, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Cody1991 on December 17, 2012 at 9:19 PM

I did his name is Sam I Am!!

I have a soft spot for Seuss… ;-)

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Unlike many conservatives, I don’t reflexively bristle at the term “common-sense gun control.”

Then you’re a novice when confronted by the mendacity of liberal code words.

Rebar on December 17, 2012 at 9:59 PM

rogerb is making me laugh. I love to laugh! I needed a good deep belly laugh. Thanks rogerb! ; )

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Whoa, you must’ve had the opportunity to fire pretty much every caliber handgun, including most semi-autos or something.

rogerb on December 17, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Okay, but when he says “other 7.62′s” after Ar-15, I think he blows his argument.

A 7.62 AR might exist*. But people who know them don’t usually include the AR-15 when mentioning the larger caliber.

*snicker snicker

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM

No gun of any type can kill as many people as a car with a maniac at the wheel. In fact, cars kill more than guns by how many orders of magnitude? I want cars outlawed!

On the other hand, perish the thought. They’ll get to it someday, too.

Archivarix on December 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM

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It’s been my belief that the EPA has been working towards that end for thirty five years, now. . : (

listens2glenn on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Sgt Steve- that’s why I don’t live in Chicago.

I’ve never had a problem with my gas operated system, but I agree and have been looking to convert. Eotech rocks. I’ve always had problems shooting with both eyes open. Not now. Parallax gone.

I love Arizona.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Whoa, you must’ve had the opportunity to fire pretty much every caliber handgun, including most semi-autos or something.

rogerb on December 17, 2012 at 9:48 PM

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Okay, but when he says “other 7.62′s” after Ar-15, I think he blows his argument.

A 7.62 AR might exist*. But people who know them don’t usually include the AR-15 when mentioning the larger caliber.

*snicker snicker

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM

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I wish they did make them in 7.62/.308.

That’s the one I’d want.

listens2glenn on December 17, 2012 at 10:09 PM

*snicker snicker

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM

; )

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM

AR10. But he wouldn’t know that.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Lemon’s as smart as libfreeordie.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 PM

I wish they did make them in 7.62/.308.

That’s the one I’d want.

listens2glenn on December 17, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Um, they do. Colt even did for a while. Don’t expect me to tell you how I know this…

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:18 PM

They DO make’em in .308. AR10. You can get a .450 upper from cabelas. .204. and .50 BMG is available other places.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 10:18 PM

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 10:18 PM

They also make one called the AR-15 in 7.62.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Hey Don, anybody ask Jamie Foxx what he thinks about this shooting? I mean.. you know.. Jamie came out on SNL or some such show before the shooting and joked about how cool it was to kill all the white people in his new movie.
Who knows.. maybe this shooter watched Jamie say that. He did what Jamie Foxx joked about doing. Somebody should seriously ask Jamie Foxx if he thinks that was still cool or not?

These libs make me freaking sick! Imagine if a conservative had joked about killing black or anybody on TV… joked about killing a whole bunch of people in their latest movie or whatever… and then a few days later a mass shooting happened. Imagine the outcry!

JellyToast on December 17, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Lemon’s as smart as libfreeordie.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Same room at same time…ever?

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Even if there is a ban on assault rifles, a determined crazy person can easily enough do a lot of killing in any school with just a couple of hand guns if there is no one to stop him with a gun. IMO principals (or other responsible persons at a school) should be encouraged to carry a gun and be practiced with it, even if it takes some state funds. Our most precious possessions are in a school and IMO it is reasonable to have at least one armed person at a school.

This kind of murderous slaughter can happen again.

Chessplayer on December 17, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Okay, I get the snicker. *

But yea, really want an AR15 in .308 & 1/2.

http://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/MOE_series.asp.

That 1/2 have gives it that extra ummmph. Like amps that go to 11.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Let emotion and the griefs of the moment sweep aside facts and reason?

Is that your reasoned response, Mr. Benson?

Then by all means, please set forth your path forward based on the hundreds of dead Mexican civilians resulting from the Obama Administration’s “Operation Fast & Furious”. . . . Hmmmm, i hear only the crickets. . . . Please take your “Me too!” emotional distress over to MSNBC. They will welcome you with open arms.

But don’t pretend to be a conservative or anything but another media pundit playing to the mob.

PolAgnostic on December 17, 2012 at 10:41 PM

I love Don Lemon. He’s CNN’s Al Sharpton — irrefutable proof that CNN management thinks all blacks are so stupid that this is the best they can do for their token on-camera black leftist.

Jaibones on December 17, 2012 at 10:54 PM

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