Video: Pope offers blessings for victims of Newtown tragedy

posted at 6:31 pm on December 16, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

This has been a pretty awful weekend, and there’s no doubt about it. I haven’t done one of these in a while, but I think I’ll set aside a bit of space this evening for a palate cleanser of a different sort. A very long ways away, the Pope came to address the masses and offer solace to the people of Newtown in their time of need. Here’s the video.

From the USA Today

Speaking in English, Benedict said he was “deeply saddened by Friday’s senseless violence in Newtown, Connecticut.”

“I assure the families of the victims, especially those who lost a child, of my closeness in prayer,” the pope said in his first public comments on the massacre by a lone gunman. “May the God of consolation touch their hearts and ease their pain.”

I hope that is of some comfort. Be at peace.


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todays homily: Have courage and don’t despair.

rob verdi on December 16, 2012 at 6:33 PM

I actually believe he is sincere….

sandee on December 16, 2012 at 6:37 PM

I am disappointed, and I like the Pope.

There are a lot more innocent people murdered in cold blood every day in mass killings. They tend to be non whites in areas that NBC doesn’t covered.

Where is their special treatment?

CorporatePiggy on December 16, 2012 at 6:41 PM

NBC News: “Obowma’s speech better than Popes…”

Seven Percent Solution on December 16, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Thanks Pope.

Obama has this covered though..

Electrongod on December 16, 2012 at 6:47 PM

CorporatePiggy on December 16, 2012 at 6:41 PM

So unless the Pope does a public blessing for all vctims he shouldn’t comment on this loss? Sheesh

katiejane on December 16, 2012 at 6:48 PM

So unless the Pope does a public blessing for all vctims he shouldn’t comment on this loss? Sheesh

katiejane on December 16, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I object to the selective outrage.

CorporatePiggy on December 16, 2012 at 6:51 PM

So blessed and so very heartbroken for those families.

I just don’t understand and I pray for those parents because I dont know that I could survive that…

God bless them all…

Tilly on December 16, 2012 at 6:51 PM

School Shootings and Spiritual Warfare

Some excerpts:

Jesus was not born into a gauzy, sentimental winter wonderland of sweetly-singing angels and cute reindeer nuzzling one another at the side of his manger. He was born into a war-zone. And at the very rumor of his coming, Herod vowed to see him dead, right along with thousands of his brothers. History in Bethlehem, as before and as now, is riddled with the bodies of murdered children.

Why?
Satan hates children because he hates Jesus. When evil destroys “the least of these” (Matt. 25:40, 45), the most vulnerable among us, it destroys a picture of Jesus himself, of the child delivered by the woman who crushes the head of our reptilian overlord (Gen. 3:15). The demonic powers know that the human race is saved, and they’re vanquished, by a child born of woman (Gal. 4:4; 1 Tim. 2:15). And so they hate the children who bear his nature.

Violence against children is also peculiarly satanic because it destroys the very picture of newness of life and dependent trust that characterizes life in the kingdom of God (Matt. 18:4). Children are a blessing, and that enrages the horrifying nature of those who seek only to kill and to destroy (Jn. 10:10).

The satanic powers want the kingdoms of the universe, and a child uproots their reign.

Let’s not offer pat, easy answers to the grieving parents and communities in Connecticut. We don’t fully understand the mystery of iniquity. We don’t know why God didn’t stop this from happening. But we do know what this act is: it’s satanic, and we should say so.
Let’s grieve for the innocent. Let’s demand justice for the guilty. And let’s rage against the Reptile behind it all.

http://www.russellmoore.com/2012/12/14/school-shootings-and-spiritual-warfare/

JellyToast on December 16, 2012 at 6:57 PM

I actually believe he is sincere….

sandee on December 16, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Why wouldn’t he be?

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 6:57 PM

I am waiting for Susan Rice to tell us the rest of the story..

Electrongod on December 16, 2012 at 6:58 PM

No topic for the imminent Preezy speechifying / bloody shirt waving exercise? This is the fourth time Obama has rushed to a gun-murder event site, while ignoring other times and places of greater need.

He’s backstage now, they’re shuffling the impacted families thru a few classrooms so the Ghoul in Chief can feed on their emotions for a few minutes each, to thicken his voice and moisten his eyes, all before he pops onto the stage in the Newtown high school auditorium to deliver his attempted death blow at the Second Amendment.  Most of the audience is still in line outside in the freezing light rain, many wrapped in Red Cross blankets, thanks to his security bubble.
The media enablers have been shoveling the disarmament narrative all day. CNN especially has been dealing in the worst sort of mawkishness, doing their utmost to personalize the tragedy for their audience with intimate portrayals of the murdered children.  NBC did their part last night to dial the poignancy up to 11, opening SNL with a childrens’ choir singing Silent Night, just to drive home the sweet little angels meme.
It’s a full court press by the press, Obama’s limbering up at the warning track, like some sort of pole vaulter, as he makes this next attempt to clear the high bar. Going for a personal best in his decathlon to destroy the foundations of these United States…

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:02 PM

So did anyone else see this? Saw it first on Drudge:

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure

Obama administration, Congress quietly let school security funds lapse
Department programs that had provided more than $200 million to schools for training, security equipment and police resources over the last decade weren’t renewed in 2011 and 2012, and that a separate program that provided $800 million to put police officers inside the schools was ended a few years earlier.

JellyToast on December 16, 2012 at 7:05 PM

…rather the Pope…than JugEars!

KOOLAID2 on December 16, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Benedict’s a good man.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:11 PM

No offense Pope but when you got BETTER THAN JESUS in the White House…..

You can just skip it.

PappyD61 on December 16, 2012 at 7:13 PM

So did anyone else see this? Saw it first on Drudge:

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure

Obama administration, Congress quietly let school security funds lapse
Department programs that had provided more than $200 million to schools for training, security equipment and police resources over the last decade weren’t renewed in 2011 and 2012, and that a separate program that provided $800 million to put police officers inside the schools was ended a few years earlier.

JellyToast on December 16, 2012 at 7:05 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/16/Recently-Defeated-Connecticut-Mental-Health-Bill-May-Have-Stopped-Friday-s-Shooter

I posted other links in: http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/12/16/connecticut-shootings-isolated-incident-or-cultural-problem/

davidk on December 16, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Same here, posted last night in a couple topics. Guess we need to flood the tips email link because all the paid help seems to be asleep at the switch. It’s certainly worth a featured headline / topic.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:20 PM

davidk on December 16, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Maybe the shooter wasn’t ‘mentally ill’-maybe he was just run-of-the-mill evil.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

And thank God for this Representative! He’s right on and he’s going to take some heat but he’s got it right!
Give teachers weapons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5epL4_rBSmo&feature=player_embedded

Support this man!

JellyToast on December 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Maybe the shooter wasn’t ‘mentally ill’-maybe he was just run-of-the-mill evil.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546463_524210347598410_386298527_n.jpg

Who is crazy and who is just evil.

Looks like evil murders more than crazy, cf. abortion.

davidk on December 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Maybe the shooter wasn’t ‘mentally ill’-maybe he was just run-of-the-mill evil.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Exactly.

We don’t know much of anything about this shooter, but the speculations are running wild out there. We don’t know if he was mentally ill or simply full of hatred. Granted, you don’t shoot up a classroom of kindergartners if you’re even close to sane, but for anyone to say that school security funding or mental health funding would have or could have stopped this horrible act is just a wild guess.

This school had recently updated security. It would take an entire SWAT team at every public school in the country to be considered remotely safe from this sort of madness. Let’s see what a thorough investigation finds out about the shooter and the “how’s” and “why’s” this happened before we start throwing blame around.

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

‘Some’ in the media are trying to point his supposed Asperger’s Syndrome as the reason why he killed. As an Aspie, I take MAJOR issue with the scapegoating.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

‘Some’ in the media are trying to point his supposed Asperger’s Syndrome as the reason why he killed. As an Aspie, I take MAJOR issue with the scapegoating.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

No one is saying it’s just Asperger’s, but look at Holmes, Lanza, Loughner, Cho, Klebold, Harris, Lane…they all were males in a similar age range with deep psychological problems.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 16, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I object to the selective outrage.

CorporatePiggy on December 16, 2012 at 6:51 PM

I didn’t hear any outrage at all.

I’m sure the Pope spends much of his time in prayer, and undoubtedly covers your concerns.

What annoys you is not the “selective outrage” but that he spoke on the matter at all.

unclesmrgol on December 16, 2012 at 7:48 PM

It’s not ‘scapegoating’. Don’t project your personal condition on this. All of the high-profile mass / political shootings in the last couple hears have been by young men with known psychological trouble. It IS psychotic people, people with mental dysfunctions and NOT guns. Young men, steeped in ‘everyone is special’ and ‘crisis resolution’ that resolves nothing, shielded from adversity and scrutiny, utterly failing to develop any coping skills. Then compounded by soaking their developing brains in adderol/methamphetamine and psychotropic drugs with brutal side effects. They reach technical adulthood and melt down. Cho the VA Tech shooter, mental and drugged. Loughner the Giffords shooter, mental and drugged. Columbine, mental and drugged. Portland mall shooter, disturbed and a drug user. Ct shooter, mental.
Three of these were known to be psychotic but shielded from scrutiny by school officials, thus enabling them to legally buy arms because their background checks came back ok. Two of them stole or misappropriated the arms they used. NO legal restriction would have stopped them.
It ISN’T guns or ‘gun culture’. It is the way we are mis-shaping our kids and drugging them into stupors to make them temporarily manageable. THAT’s what needs to change.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:49 PM

No one is saying it’s just Asperger’s, but look at Holmes, Lanza, Loughner, Cho, Klebold, Harris, Lane…they all were males in a similar age range with deep psychological problems.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 16, 2012 at 7:44 PM

AND brains soaked in Ritalin/Adderol/methamphetamine, brain-altering SSIDs and recreational drugs.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

This school had recently updated security. It would take an entire SWAT team at every public school in the country to be considered remotely safe from this sort of madness. Let’s see what a thorough investigation finds out about the shooter and the “how’s” and “why’s” this happened before we start throwing blame around.

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Don’t give access to classrooms or classroom hallways to non-credentialed people.

No SWAT team required.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 7:51 PM

And Nina Easton on FNC just slipped in the first knife, ‘mental warning signs AND semi-automatic weapons’.
Powers immediately follows, avoids saying guns or gun control, but calls this a watershed moment and if we are ever to have one [that leads to gun control?] then this ought to be it, I hope it is’ words to that effect.
Steve Hayes, missed it, hope like hell HE didn’t advocate for gun restrictions.
Krauthammer, on about ‘we must address ALL elements’. And he includes the 2nd Amendment. ;/
Not a single media voice holding out in defense of the 2nd. And that on the supposed ‘conservative’ network.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:51 PM

‘Some’ in the media are trying to point his supposed Asperger’s Syndrome as the reason why he killed. As an Aspie, I take MAJOR issue with the scapegoating.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Currently, no statistics have been developed about the rate of contacts people with AS have with the criminal justice system, although research indicates that people with AS and other developmental disabilities will have up to seven times more contacts with law enforcement during their lifetimes than members of the general population. However, there is no evidence to suggest that people with AS commit crimes at a higher rate than the general population.

http://www.aane.org/asperger_resources/articles/miscellaneous/as_in_the_criminal_justice_system.html

Good article.

davidk on December 16, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Preezy makes his entrance down low to a muted standing ovation.

/like watching an impending trainwreck

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM

‘Some’ in the media are trying to point his supposed Asperger’s Syndrome as the reason why he killed. As an Aspie, I take MAJOR issue with the scapegoating.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

The media always go for ratings…even when reporting tragedies like this shooting. They bring on talking heads from every conceivable field of expertise and let them ramble away. There has to be a “reason” for this…that something “caused” the killer to do this. For all we know, he was just a total f*ckwad. We just don’t know.

Don’t give access to classrooms or classroom hallways to non-credentialed people.

No SWAT team required.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Sandy Hook Elementary did all that…you couldn’t get in the building past 9:30am without getting buzzed in after video confirmation. But again, it’s almost impossible to fully protect every single public school in the country. No sense concentrating better security in the inner-cities and rough urban neighborhoods…as we see, a quiet little New England suburb with very little crime is just as much a possible target.

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 8:03 PM

‘Some’ in the media are trying to point his supposed Asperger’s Syndrome as the reason why he killed. As an Aspie, I take MAJOR issue with the scapegoating.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I’d scapegoat you all day, my precious and valued Twerp, if it moves the conversation away from the 223. After it’s moved, I’ll cut you from the stake and carry you to safety myself, but until then — go AS.

It’s not ‘scapegoating’. Don’t project your personal condition on this.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:49 PM

She’s worried about being denied her second amendment rights for no defensible reason. I think she’s justified and right to point out “Asperger Syndrome” is too broad a brush.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 8:05 PM

So did anyone else see this? Saw it first on Drudge:

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure

Obama administration, Congress quietly let school security funds lapse
Department programs that had provided more than $200 million to schools for training, security equipment and police resources over the last decade weren’t renewed in 2011 and 2012, and that a separate program that provided $800 million to put police officers inside the schools was ended a few years earlier.

JellyToast on December 16, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Let teachers and other school employees exercise their second amendment rights and carry…won’t cost the taxpayer anything and will be way more effective than government “programs”.

What kind of society is so adamant about their personal ideologies against average citizens being armed, but yet through their ignorance allow the innocent to be slaughtered?

A thoroughly brainwashed, morally corrupt one I suppose.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 16, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I’m watching Sunday night football for sure. We’ll see what Bob Costas has to say. He won’t be able to quote Jason Whitlock on this one since Jason’s favorite subject isn’t involved.

a capella on December 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Sandy Hook Elementary did all that…you couldn’t get in the building past 9:30am without getting buzzed in after video confirmation.

Not sufficient. Fox news is better protected, and there’s nothing to protect.

But again, it’s almost impossible to fully protect every single public school in the country. No sense concentrating better security in the inner-cities and rough urban neighborhoods…as we see, a quiet little New England suburb with very little crime is just as much a possible target.

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I agree with you about the scope. But it’s the only thing to do. We absolutely can secure every single school in the country. The other way, the making people less dangerous and trying to find the threats before they form, is true futility. We aren’t going to be able to think of everything because people are too clever. But we absolutely can secure a classroom.

Just arguing main-thrust here.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM

I agree with you about the scope. But it’s the only thing to do. We absolutely can secure every single school in the country. The other way, the making people less dangerous and trying to find the threats before they form, is true futility. We aren’t going to be able to think of everything because people are too clever. But we absolutely can secure a classroom.

Just arguing main-thrust here.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM

If I had kids, I wouldn’t want them around teachers with guns, or armed guards in and around the school. For cripes sake, school isn’t a prison. Arming and protecting every school like that just isn’t logistically possible, or even desired.

The best we can do is provide emergency preparedness for these things. We all remember those fire drills in school…and the same can be done with other emergency situations. Educate teachers and staff on what to say, where to go, what to do or not do, and teach the kids to obey the teachers and drill them on the best course of action.

And it wouldn’t cost all that much either.

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM

It would have been much nicer if the ‘God of consolation’ touched his heart before he got off the first round.

But whatever.

God works in mysterious ways – dontch’ya know.

SD Tom on December 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

If I had kids, I wouldn’t want them around teachers with guns, or armed guards in and around the school. For cripes sake, school isn’t a prison. Arming and protecting every school like that just isn’t logistically possible, or even desired.

The best we can do is provide emergency preparedness for these things. We all remember those fire drills in school…and the same can be done with other emergency situations. Educate teachers and staff on what to say, where to go, what to do or not do, and teach the kids to obey the teachers and drill them on the best course of action.

And it wouldn’t cost all that much either.

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I didn’t say anything about arming anyone.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

The best we can do is provide emergency preparedness for these things. We all remember those fire drills in school…and the same can be done with other emergency situations. Educate teachers and staff on what to say, where to go, what to do or not do, and teach the kids to obey the teachers and drill them on the best course of action.

We do that in the high school where I teach. Every year we have the lock-down drill, with a Columbine-style shooter in mind.

Tzetzes on December 16, 2012 at 8:35 PM

SD Tom on December 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Yep, mysterious ways. And hard at work in them!

Tzetzes on December 16, 2012 at 8:36 PM

It would have been much nicer if the ‘God of consolation’ touched his heart before he got off the first round.

But whatever.

God works in mysterious ways – dontch’ya know.

SD Tom on December 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

It’s not always God’s place to get involved in these things.

Some say “Why does God let this happen?” If there were no heaven, no soul, and no eternal life beyond our Earthly existence…then God would be unjust, unloving, and even evil.

But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me…for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.” — Mathew 19:14

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 8:36 PM

She’s worried about being denied her second amendment rights for no defensible reason. I think she’s justified and right to point out “Asperger Syndrome” is too broad a brush.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Actually that’s backwards. Asberger’s is a fine brush. The broad brush (which I used) is ‘mental dysfunction’. Autism ought disqualify. Asbergers probably shouldn’t. Too many degrees and it isn’t quantified sufficiently. If anything they just delisted Appies and shoved them back under the autism umbrella.

But I’ve seen similar plight in Vets / PTSD. Many go un- or insufficiently treated, concerned that diagnosis or formal treatment will later be used to disqualify their 2nd amendment rights. Schumer’s already trying such, threatened to hold up a defense funding bill just a couple weeks ago over it.

So we’re left quibbling about how many psychotics can dance on the head of a pin and get nowhere? The Preezy is about to lecture us about Something Must Be Done. All he’s going to ask for is gun restrictions, while his ‘gun free’ adopted hometown just racked up another 50 corpses this weekend.

All of the shooters are mental, drugged, males in their early 20s, and their sickness was either ignored / unreported, thereby allowing them to legally purchase firearms, or they stole the guns they used. ‘Gun control’ is not the answer. Doesn’t prevent killing.

Obama is up!

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Obama promoting himself again at the expense of the CT tradgedy. Don’t let a crisis go to waste reaches new depths.

Deano1952 on December 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I didn’t say anything about arming anyone.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Yes I know…I was addressing another commenter in there, I should have been specific on that, sorry

We do that in the high school where I teach. Every year we have the lock-down drill, with a Columbine-style shooter in mind.

Tzetzes on December 16, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Exactly. And I’ll bet it cost very little to do this. I’m reminded of that one guy…I can’t remember his name right now either…who worked for a company in one of the WTC towers, and did the same kind of drill there, educating employees on exiting and such during different emergency situations. That alone saved many lives that day.

JetBoy on December 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Actually that’s backwards. Asberger’s is a fine brush.

It probably doesn’t sound all that fine when you keep hearing it on Fox. :) But I see what you’re saying.

Obama is up!

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Let me know how it goes. I can’t watch the Obama show anymore, not since the shark.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I’m sure the Pope spends much of his time in prayer, and undoubtedly covers your concerns.
unclesmrgol on December 16, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I’m sure this is the case.

Kevin K. on December 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

AND brains soaked in Ritalin/Adderol/methamphetamine, brain-altering SSIDs and recreational drugs.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

More conspiracy crap? Have you actually read any of the psychopharmaceutical literature?

Ritalin and its analogues, SSRIs, SNRIs and similar drugs do not increase violence in those with mental illness. People who commit these crimes usually go *OFF* their meds, especially people with schizophrenic symptoms or extreme paranoia, because they’re apt to believe they are being “poisoned” by their pills.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

More conspiracy crap? Have you actually read any of the psychopharmaceutical literature?
Ritalin and its analogues, SSRIs, SNRIs and similar drugs do not increase violence in those with mental illness. People who commit these crimes usually go *OFF* their meds, especially people with schizophrenic symptoms or extreme paranoia, because they’re apt to believe they are being “poisoned” by their pills.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

I’m curious as to why you say this. The FDA (many years ago) issued an anti-depressant advisory. The agency advised that anyone who is prescribed anti-depressants, be observed for certain behaviors that are known to be associated with these drugs, such as anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, impulsivity, akathisia , hypomania, and mania, and that physicians be particularly vigilant with patients who may have bipolar disorder. And patients can be at even greater risk of side effects when coming off of these drugs.

Between 2004 and 2011 there have been over 11,000 reports to the U.S. FDA’s MedWatch system of psychiatric drug side effects which have been related to violence. These reports have included 300 cases of homicide, nearly 3,000 cases of mania and over 7,000 cases of aggression. And by the FDA’s own admission, only about 1-10% of side effects from these drugs are ever reported to the FDA.

How is this a conspiracy?

lynncgb on December 16, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Prayer and 99 cents won’t even get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 12:40 AM

All of the high-profile mass / political shootings in the last couple hears have been by young men with known psychological trouble. It IS psychotic people, people with mental dysfunctions and NOT guns. Young men, steeped in ‘everyone is special’ and ‘crisis resolution’ that resolves nothing, shielded from adversity and scrutiny, utterly failing to develop any coping skills. Then compounded by soaking their developing brains in adderol/methamphetamine and psychotropic drugs with brutal side effects. They reach technical adulthood and melt down. Cho the VA Tech shooter, mental and drugged. Loughner the Giffords shooter, mental and drugged. Columbine, mental and drugged. Portland mall shooter, disturbed and a drug user. Ct shooter, mental.

Three of these were known to be psychotic but shielded from scrutiny by school officials, thus enabling them to legally buy arms because their background checks came back ok. Two of them stole or misappropriated the arms they used. NO legal restriction would have stopped them.

It ISN’T guns or ‘gun culture’. It is the way we are mis-shaping our kids and drugging them into stupors to make them temporarily manageable. THAT’s what needs to change.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Absolutely! And you can add to that a society and media that has no respect for life and a media that flirts with death and evil constantly. Morally bankrupt. One example – all the vampire movies with these white death faces and the ghoulish and bloody horror movies. It’s all very subtle, but too much is tinged with death and evil and satanic occult things. Batman movies used to be campy and fun. Then action films. Then they turned creepy. Then we saw the shooting at the Batman movie. These aren’t accidents.

Look at Columbine, where the school had a class on death in the curriculum. Is that necessary in high school? And at least one of those killers had occult stuff in his bedroom and they were dressed in those creepy trench coats and one girl was killed while praying and another shot and injured because she said she believed in God.

Abortions and partial birth abortions, including up till the 9th month. Then we marvel at teen age girls who toss their newborns in a garbage bin. What is the difference to them when society says it’s OK to kill this non person the day before she gives birth?

Lies and distortions in the media, news, entertainment, school systems.

To these young psychotic minds, their victims are pawns in their own personal show called their lives, where everything in the world revolves around them, because they never were taught fully by society that there is anything greater than them. As you said, they are “special.” Not that God created them and every other human special yet equal.

We’ve allowed a society where God is pushed aside. (even those who don’t believe in God or aren’t sure years ago saw the value of having God in our society and schools and media.)

Nature abhors a vacuum. Remove God from our children’s lives for a couple generations now and that vacuum will be filled by other things, as it has since the 1960’s “revolutions.

Our children grow up swimming in a cesspool society and then we wonder why things like this happen and millions of lesser mixed up and emotionally and psychologically hurt children happen.

It is so bad now that individual parents and individual cases do not go hand in hand. Even the best parent can have problems because their kids are growing up infected and infested with the things around them at every turn. TV, movies, radio, music, schools, college, friends, etc.

But let’s stick a bandaid on all this and blame it on the guns. Because Washington and the media and school systems won’t want to look in the mirror and see reality.

We had guns for decades, in fact, we had more people carrying guns years ago. These things didn’t happen then. It’s not the guns.

Just drug them up and let them roam free. Easier to drug all these children than to get to the root causes.

These cases of children on drugs should be rare exceptions. Instead we have thousands or millions of children on drugs, when their brains are still being formed and growing.

We don’t need to worry about children going “off” their meds that they have grown accustomed to or using too many for too long, if they weren’t on all these meds to begin with.

Elisa on December 17, 2012 at 1:53 AM

< All he’s going to ask for is gun restrictions, while his ‘gun free’ adopted hometown just racked up another 50 corpses this weekend.

All of the shooters are mental, drugged, males in their early 20s, and their sickness was either ignored / unreported,>

Don’t confuse the two situations (Chicago/Sandy Hook)
I would opine that those who were shooters in Chicago aren’t the result of mental derangement as much as the inevitable result of the left’s removing God from their lives and instilling in His place, as motivation for living, politically agitated anger and hostility in order to keep their enslaved souls forever dependent upon the almighty government. Because of long past slavery of someone else they can do whatever evil they choose–guilt free.

It is just one result from the Godless left’s deliberate plan to divide this nation and turn us against one another. Yet it is we in the GOP who demand to stay away from “social issues” that must share the blame for our morally broken culture.

Don L on December 17, 2012 at 5:59 AM

Some’ in the media are trying to point his supposed Asperger’s Syndrome as the reason why he killed. As an Aspie, I take MAJOR issue with the scapegoating.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

While I seldom agree with you in this instance I do. Seems like people are happy to jump on the “It is mental illness, it’s is Asperger’s it’s ASD” rather than run the risk of it being a rotten young man who was too deep into violence routinely dealt to our young males via videop games, TV shows, movies.

Why aren’t we questioning the vile shooter/killer video games so many of the males this age spend hours playing? The interactive ones where they succeed based on kills?

katiejane on December 17, 2012 at 8:39 AM

CorporatePiggy on December 16, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Pope Benedict XVI made a sweeping appeal Sunday for peace in Syria and the Middle East, decrying the violence “which generates so much suffering.”

Speaking at an open-air Mass before a huge crowd, he urged the international community and Arab countries in particular to find a solution to end the conflict in neighboring Syria.
“Why so much horror? Why so many dead,” Benedict said, lamenting that “the first victims are women and children.”

Pope Benedict referred to his “profound” sadness at the devastating loss off life and “senseless violence” committed in Norway on Friday. He sent a message of condolence to King Harald V of Norway, offering “fervent prayers for the victims and their families”, and hoping that “Norwegians would be spiritually united during their national grief in a determined resolve to reject the ways of hatred and conflict”.

Etc…etc…

The Pope makes addresses weekly on any number of things, at Wednesday addresses, during Sunday Masses, during travels, during times of devastation, etc… Just because you don’t pay attention, or the US media doesn’t point it out to you doesn’t mean he isn’t praying for and speaking out against any number of things.

But you probably knew that and just wanted to use any opportunity to criticize him, didn’t you? Pathetic…

It would have been much nicer if the ‘God of consolation’ touched his heart before he got off the first round.
But whatever.
God works in mysterious ways – dontch’ya know.
SD Tom on December 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

God doesn’t force Himself on people and He isn’t allowed in public schools, dontch’ya know? He has given people like you exactly what you’ve asked for, (gotten out of our schools and public square) and now you want to snark on Him for it?

Our Founding Fathers relied on ‘the protection of Divine Providence’, but we have chosen to boot Him out, thinking we can do better without God. Well…Moral of the story, be careful what you ask for.

pannw on December 17, 2012 at 9:07 AM

God doesn’t force Himself on people and He isn’t allowed in public schools, dontch’ya know? He has given people like you exactly what you’ve asked for, (gotten out of our schools and public square) and now you want to snark on Him for it?

Our Founding Fathers relied on ‘the protection of Divine Providence’, but we have chosen to boot Him out, thinking we can do better without God. Well…Moral of the story, be careful what you ask for.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
-Epicurus

Good question.

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Not really…What is the point of free will if there is no choice? How can there be good without evil? What kind of creatures would we be if we couldn’t freely choose to love Him or reject Him? Same with the angels. We were made for Him, by Him, to be loved by Him, but also to love Him, but where would the satisfaction be in making creatures that had no choice but to love Him?

Do you and ol Epicurus want to be slaves, incapable of choosing your own actions for yourself ? Wish you didn’t have free will? Or just wish all those other people didn’t?

pannw on December 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Evil can partially be defined as the absence of God. Such as how we have pushed God out of schools and society and the media and our hearts. This has consequences.

God has an ordaining Will and a permitting Will.

He has given each of us free will.

He permits us to use that free will, often including its consequences, because otherwise it wouldn’t be free will and we would be robots, not humans who can choose to come to Him and do His will freely from our hearts out of love.

God, now and at the end of time and at the end of each of our lives, is in control and has a plan for each of us and mankind that is above our ken.

God’s ways are not our ways.

Isaiah 55:8-9:

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.

As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts”

So we can’t put God in our box of our mind, because we don’t understand everything right now and can’t understand everything right now. We can’t make any condemnations of God or judgments on Him if we don’t have all the pieces of information necessary.

God can make good out of evil.

We don’t know the end of the story yet. And there are no easy answers to this age old question.

Man’s sins through his free will and rejection of God create an evil environment and the consequences of sin touch each of us, even those who are not personally responsible for particular sins. Even the innocents. Sometimes especially the innocents. We are all connected in this sinful world, so sometimes innocents pay the price of the sins of others. There may be a purpose to allowing all of this that we do not understand. There is a redemption and salvation plan of God to rescue man from his own actions and sins, that God permits by giving man free will.

But in the end there will be justice and God will take the innocents into His loving embrace. Though the pain we must trust in His love and ultimate justice and in time be at peace. So while we suffer though this evil and tragedy now, that doesn’t mean that God is powerless or evil to allow it.

It just means we don’t understand or know the answer or fully grasp it right now.

Logically, it does not mean there is no answer to the question posed.

Logically, there either is no answer or we don’t know the answer. Each of us chooses which to believe, by perseverance in faith and prayer and by trusting the Lord, by looking at the little miracles and blessings and goodness along with the evil.

Because the good is real also. And that has to come from somewhere. Just like evil is real and comes from something.

In the end, good will always triumph over evil. Why is there a natural law written on the hearts of all mankind that recognizes good and evil and universally knows which one is better? Why do our hearts break for these innocents and people we don’t know? Why do we feel this love of others and have a sense of what is just and unjust?

These feelings and thoughts are real also and come from something (Someone) real. They just don’t develop on their own naturally without God.

That we don’t fully know or understand the answer yet to the question posed doesn’t mean there is no answer.

Elisa on December 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

pannw on December 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Beautiful, as always.

Wish I saw your answer first. lol

Elisa on December 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Not really…What is the point of free will if there is no choice? How can there be good without evil? What kind of creatures would we be if we couldn’t freely choose to love Him or reject Him? Same with the angels. We were made for Him, by Him, to be loved by Him, but also to love Him, but where would the satisfaction be in making creatures that had no choice but to love Him?

Do you and ol Epicurus want to be slaves, incapable of choosing your own actions for yourself ? Wish you didn’t have free will? Or just wish all those other people didn’t?

I have no problems with “Free Will”. I exercise it daily. My problem is this notion of free will within the confines of an “all powerful, all knowing diety”. My free will limits the power of God. Therefore he cannot be all powerful. It’s a contradiction. Moreover, if God is “all knowing”, then you really don’t have “free will”. You can only perform the actions that God already knows you will perform. What I mean to say is that there is no way you can surprise him by making a choice he didn’t already anticipate you making. Your life is pre-ordained. You are essentially a “slave” to his will. It is ultimately his will because you already believes he creates all life. As a result, if it wasn’t his will for you to perform the actions he already knows you will perform or to think the thoughts that he already knows you will think, then he wouldn’t have created you in the first place.

Given this understanding, exactly what is the point of prayer? If God doesn’t have the power to interfere with the “free will” of a gun-carrying maniac who wants to kill little kids, then exactly what “power” does he possess? If little kids can be used for targeting practice how is that “love”? You asked the question about God getting “satisfaction” from knowing we choose to worship him on our own, but I ask where exactly is the satisfaction of knowing that many chose to love him out of an irrational fear of burning forever in hell? If you want to hedge your bets, which seems like the safer option? Why the need for preconditions? Another obvious question is, why is this supposedly “all-powerful” being so needy as to require love and worship of humans? Why would he also create a “satan” character to negatively influence the minds of his creation in addition to throwing a monkey wrench into all his plans? That just seems awfully counter productive. Besides, have you looked at the world since day one of his supposed “creation”? What’s been a constant? Death and misery.

What exactly is Jesus waiting for?

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM

That we don’t fully know or understand the answer yet to the question posed doesn’t mean there is no answer.

It doesn’t mean that the answer is as convoluted as an incomprehensible god either. If he can’t be understood? How do you even know he is worth worshiping?

Ignorance isn’t knowledge.

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 2:41 PM

What exactly is Jesus waiting for?

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM

.

I don’t know. You, maybe.


But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance.
~St Peter.

I had a much longer reply almost ready to submit, but the powers that be at HotAir are more interested in inflating their hitcounts by auto refresh than thoughtful discussion, apparently.

But really, I think that might be the answer. I know that when I think about some of my loved ones, who aren’t really doing what they are supposed to do, or myself, since it’s been a few months since my last confession, I am thankful for a little more time.

If He had come Friday, would you have been ready?

Peace.

pannw on December 17, 2012 at 3:45 PM

AND brains soaked in Ritalin/Adderol/methamphetamine, brain-altering SSIDs and recreational drugs.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

As the father of a boy with ADHD, I can tell you that such kids are far more likely to be violently impulsive when not medicated. Ritalin allows him to function like a normal kid.

Pervygrin on December 17, 2012 at 4:27 PM

I don’t know. You, maybe.

But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance. ~St Peter.

I had a much longer reply almost ready to submit, but the powers that be at HotAir are more interested in inflating their hitcounts by auto refresh than thoughtful discussion, apparently.

But really, I think that might be the answer. I know that when I think about some of my loved ones, who aren’t really doing what they are supposed to do, or myself, since it’s been a few months since my last confession, I am thankful for a little more time.

If He had come Friday, would you have been ready?

Peace.

I’ll never “be ready”. He probably knows that already though. He supposedly knows that answer regarding everyone. Consequently, what’s he waiting for? In the meantime, I’ll leave you with some scripture illustrating God’s “love and mercy”:

“2 Kings 2:23-24
King James Version (KJV)
23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.”

Indeed, he is impossible to “comprehend”.

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM

. . . That we don’t fully know or understand the answer yet to the question posed doesn’t mean there is no answer. . . .

Elisa on December 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

It doesn’t mean that the answer is as convoluted as an incomprehensible god either. If he can’t be understood? How do you even know he is worth worshiping?
Ignorance isn’t knowledge.

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 2:41 PM

No, it doesn’t mean there can only logically be one answer and that that answer must logically mean there is a God, simply because we don’t know and fully understand all the answeres. (logically there is a God for other reasons. lol Ask St. Thomas Acquinas.)

What I said was,

Logically, it does not mean there is no answer to the question posed.

Logically, there either is no answer or we don’t know the answer. Each of us chooses which to believe, by perseverance in faith and prayer and by trusting the Lord, by looking at the little miracles and blessings and goodness along with the evil.”

Meaning that the most someone can say logically is that he doesn’t know if there is a God or not. He can’t logically say there definitely isn’t a God.

Objectively speaking there either is no God or there is a God who we cannot totally comprehend right now.

A God that those given the grace to know Him, know is love and truth, so we trust in His ordaining Will, as well as His permitting Will. We are not ignorant and we do not worship blindly. We know He is worth worshipping. We do know Him in our hearts and that is a grace and gift given us that we do not merit on our own.

We can’t deny the truth we have been given and the proofs that were given to our hearts and minds once we took that leap of faith.

My point was that not understanding God does not logically preclude His existence.

Elisa on December 18, 2012 at 1:45 AM

I have no problems with “Free Will”. I exercise it daily. My problem is this notion of free will within the confines of an “all powerful, all knowing diety”. My free will limits the power of God. Therefore he cannot be all powerful. It’s a contradiction. Moreover, if God is “all knowing”, then you really don’t have “free will”. You can only perform the actions that God already knows you will perform. What I mean to say is that there is no way you can surprise him by making a choice he didn’t already anticipate you making. Your life is pre-ordained. You are essentially a “slave” to his will. It is ultimately his will because you already believes he creates all life. As a result, if it wasn’t his will for you to perform the actions he already knows you will perform or to think the thoughts that he already knows you will think, then he wouldn’t have created you in the first place.

Given this understanding, exactly what is the point of prayer? If God doesn’t have the power to interfere with the “free will” of a gun-carrying maniac who wants to kill little kids, then exactly what “power” does he possess? . . .

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Sorry this is long, but you raise a lot of interesting points that should be addressed and can’t be addressed in short soundbites. I will do your post half here and half in my next post.

God is outside of time and space. Time and space were created for man. So God lives in the past, present and future all at once. He knew the moment He created each individual from the first individual what choices they would make. So, no, we don’t surprise God. And, yes, He knows what we will be praying for before we even pray it. But that doesn’t mean that He forces us to make those choices that we make with our own free will. It only means He allows those choices. It also doesn’t mean that He doesn’t listen to our prayers or that our prayers are useless or have no power. It just means He knows our hearts and minds and prayers before we pray them. And He does listen to them and respond to them, when the time comes for us to ask.

Psalm 139:4:
“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD.”

It also means that God knew before He created the world that mankind would sin and fall and need Him to be our Savior. And God entered time and space at various times to communicate with us, most especially when He became man 2,000 years ago. In the fullness of time, God’s plan of salvation unfolded.

Even though He knew we would fall, He created us anyway out of love. For 2 reasons that we can understand and maybe more we don’t. One is that He loves us and loves the good we do and the love we share with Him and each other. So to not create mankind would make all that love go away, along with the evil.

Secondly, you have it backwards. If He did not create us because He knew what we would do with our free will, THEN it isn’t free will, because He would then take our free will and choices away from us by not creating us because of our future sins.

That doesn’t make life “preordained” in the sense that we are forced to make the choices we make. It just means that God knew our choices ahead of time. And time unfolds as He saw it would.

I think you are confusing God’s permitting Will with His ordaining Will. His ordaining Will is proactive and His actions and design. His permitting Will allows our choices and free will. So His Will does not take away our free will and choices. Yes, His will be done always, but that doesn’t negate or take away our free will.

That God gives you free will and chooses not to take that free will away from you, doesn’t mean He can’t take it away from you. So He is still all powerful. Your free will does NOT limit God’s power. He just chooses not to exercise His power as a gift of free will to us. Big difference.

Elisa on December 18, 2012 at 1:54 AM

mazer9 on December 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM

“If little kids can be used for targeting practice how is that “love”?”

It’s not love. It is the opposite of love. It is the opposite of God. It is evil. God didn’t do it or will it. He permitted it. Big difference. For reasons we do not fully understand, but all connected to our creation, sin and free will and ultimate redemption and salvation.

many chose to love him out of an irrational fear of burning forever in hell? . . . so needy as to require love and worship of humans?

That is not love. That is fear. Yes, a healthy fear of the Lord can steer us in the right direction towards ultimate true love of God, but it is not love of God in and of itself.

Love of God (agape Divine sacrificial love) reflects God’s love back to Him. It increases love in the universe. It is selfless. Not for reward or punishment. We love Him even if we were to go to Hell for all eternity, never seeing Him. Because we just love Him. That is true love and the love we are to share with each other. Love is what pleases Him, because He is love and goodness. We praise Him and He likes it simply because it is right and just and truth. He and His love are worthy of praise and adoration. He doesn’t need it. He doesn’t need us. He just loves us and wants us to love and know truth and act accordingly.

Jesus said, “I came to testify to the truth.”

Why would he also create a “satan” character

God didn’t create Satan as evil. He didn’t create evil. Evil came from rejection of God and lack of God.

God created the angels before He created mankind. They were all created good and sinless and also had free will. Like Adam and Eve. But like them, some fell. A third of all the angels fell when they followed the most beautiful of all the angel, the angel of light, when he rejected God and wanted to try and be as powerful as God. (St. Michael the Archangels who fought Satan out of Heaven’s name means “who is like God.”)

That was the sin of Adam and the sin of this these angels. To put their own will before God’s and reject love and goodness. This angel became Satan and led those angels and men astray away from God.

Unlike men who are spirit and physical flesh, angels are pure spirit and not restricted by a physical brain and mind that can’t see clearly. So man can sin and later repent of that sin and be saved. The angels saw the future when they sinned. They knew the final consequences of their sin and sinned anyway. They would rather reject God and be apart from Him forever than subordinate their will to His will. That is sin and evil. So angels who sinned were damned forever. Satan can never receive salvation because he doesn’t want it and never did and never will, because he also lives outside of time and space and made his irrevocable choice forever.

There are some humans like that. Pure evil who do not want God. (not talking about those who do not believe in God. Talking about those who believe and reject Him.) We find them hard to understand, so we think all will be saved and all are good. But there are some out there. Scripture tells us some will not be saved. God will give sufficient grace to all, but He won’t waste His actual saving grace on those who will not accept it, on the reprobates.

God did not create evil. That came from his creatures rejecting God.

What’s been a constant? Death and misery.

Those are not the only constants. There has constantly been love, as well. And love can heal and overcome. God has concurred death and sin. We have reason to trust in His ultimate goodness and justice and love. I have seen His love and miracles and been given His peace to comfort my sorrows. I know His love (or at least the little bit I can grasp in my human state now.) I know He is true because He has given that gift to know.

If anyone truly wants to know His truth and His love, persevere in prayer and humbly ask for that grace.

Revelation 21:4:
“And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”

God bless you and pannw and all here. May God have mercy on us and bless those poor families whose hearts are torn apart and give them His comfort and healing and ultimate peace. Let them know that He loves their children even more than they do and they are in His loving embrace now.

Elisa on December 18, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Elisa on December 18, 2012 at 2:07 AM

I’m sorry Elisa, but God can’t have his cake and eat it too: if he is the cause of creation, he’s also the cause of it’s demise. The “devil” and “evil” is a scapegoat to explain away the problem of evil which is all too evident since the beginning of time.

Even if there was any sort of real evidence for his existence why would you want to worship him? He puts Hitler and all the other psychopaths to shame.

Your convoluted explanations raise more questions than they provide answers.

That’s typically not how knowledge is obtained.

mazer9 on December 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM

mazer9 on December 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM

There is pure evil in the world and there always has been from the beginning of history. Determined and not random. I doubt you would deny that.

So, then, where does evil come from? If there is no God and no creation from God, where did evil begin and from where does it draw its power?

One can’t believe in evil as a separate real thing without believing in a God as a separate thing. Love also has a source.

I suggest you read St. Thomas Acquinas, if you haven’t already.

If you’ve read him several years ago, try reading him again.

Elisa on December 19, 2012 at 11:18 PM