Speaker Boehner offers up a tax hike for millionaires

posted at 2:01 pm on December 16, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Let’s all get together now and pretend that nobody saw this one coming. Negotiations over the fiscal cliff haven’t stopped just because the media’s attention has been drawn elsewhere, and it sounds like John Boehner has served up a new offer to the President. And this one includes “the T word.”

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has offered to raise the top tax rate for earners making more than $1 million, a source told the Associated Press.

The development in the fiscal talks comes amid pessimism the Speaker and President Obama can hammer out a deal before Christmas.

That’s different than what Obama has been asking for, but it did include a tax hike. Of course, the Speaker put some price tags on the idea of caving on taxes at any level.

The speaker’s offer would not include extending federal unemployment benefits, and it is unclear how it would address sequestration — the tens of billions in spending cuts scheduled to go into effect for the Pentagon and other federal agencies starting Jan. 2.

And Republicans remain unyielding on agreeing to raise the U.S. debt limit as part of any agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff.

He also asked for a change in how we calculate benefits for entitlement programs, commonly known as “chained CPI.” Such a revision to these calculations are estimated to save tens of billions per year on these programs. So does this mean that it’s time to pop open the champagne and celebrate the end of the stalemate?

The source said Obama has not accepted the offer, according to the Associated Press, which added that Boehner is still seeking more spending cuts than Obama has proposed.

Bottom line… no deal. The clock is running out, assuming it’s not already too late. Even if they came to some sort of deal – even a short term, stop gap measure – the two men would still have to sell the plan to their respective parties, somebody would have to draw up the matching bills, and then herd enough cats into the chambers to actually vote for it. Tomorrow morning will come with only two weeks left to accomplish all of that, and the two sides still don’t even have the basic framework of a deal… just an offer which was immediately turned down by the President.

But even though I’ve been saying for more than a month that Obama has no intention of agreeing to a deal, this is the first time that Boehner came forward with an offer that included more taxes. If his offers become too generous and Obama continues to demure, it will become obvious what sort of game he’s playing. And that could cause some political capital to drain out of the bottom of the pool quickly.


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How many minutes of federal spending will that pay for?

rogerb on December 16, 2012 at 2:05 PM

…if he doesn’t vote Present…get rid of that fraud of an ELF !

KOOLAID2 on December 16, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Next up: Boehner offers permanent ban on high capacity clipsies, ammunition fingerprinting, and a 90% federal excise tax on all firearms parts including gun safes, gun locks, and holsters.

Hailed as unprecedented measure with bipartisan support.

CorporatePiggy on December 16, 2012 at 2:05 PM

…OIHO !…you have not done us proud lately!

KOOLAID2 on December 16, 2012 at 2:06 PM

But even though I’ve been saying for more than a month that Obama has no intention of agreeing to a deal, this is the first time that Boehner came forward with an offer that included more taxes. If his offers become too generous and Obama continues to demure, it will become obvious what sort of game he’s playing. And that could cause some political capital to drain out of the bottom of the pool quickly.

Although it was pretty obvious Boehner would eventually cave, I do admit he gave himself a (minor) talking point.

Obama has been saying the “rich” should pay their “fair share,” but rich has been variously defined. (currently at $250K per year, IIRC.) Some Dems like Schumer were a little uneasy, as $250K will just get you a comfortable middle class lifestyle in Manhattan, with kiddies in private schools (what Dem wants their kids educated by the teacheres’ unions?).

Now Boehner will say, “Millionaires should pay more,” and many people will, of course, equate “rich” with a “millionaire,” and wonder what the problem is with the $1 million cut-off.

It’s still a cave, but at least not a total “bend over and hold your ankles.” (yet.)

Wethal on December 16, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I’d say something mean, but apparently we have to love the GOP around here no matter what.

Keep up the good work, Boner! :-)

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Blah, blah, blah.

The R’s will roll over, and Obuggerme will refuse if he wants to- and he probably does because it goes a long way to weakening the military, which has always been a major component of his agenda.

To behave as if there is some real drama here is to behave as a fool.

M240H on December 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Bo(eh)ned again. May as well force his gang to vote for Pelosi for Speaker – we’ll be calling her that again by 2015 in any case.

Steve Eggleston on December 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Boehner continues to play Obama’s game. But Obama does have the upper hand: he wants the whole system to crash, for America to get knocked down a peg or two so that we’re no longer a super power. Maybe Boehner should stop negotiating with someone who has no intention of actually negotiating. Oh, so he might not get re-elected. Well, TS.

Dongemaharu on December 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Boehner stepped into this one with his eyes wide open! Sucker!

pilamaye on December 16, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Obama wants to tax all of us, for everything he can squeeze us for. He wants no deal . . . he wants sequestration, then he can sort through the rubble and cut only those things his socialist mind desires. This entire charade is a complete farce and a waste of time. You’re being played people, like a cheap harmonica. Thank you enlightened voters . . . you really stuck it to us this time.

rplat on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

But even though I’ve been saying for more than a month that Obama has no intention of agreeing to a deal, this is the first time that Boehner came forward with an offer that included more taxes

Boehner is overplaying his hand by refusing to accept the President’s firm position of increased taxes on all earned income above $250k. As many others have already pointed out, it would be far more productive for the GOP to accept a small increase in marginal tax rates for some income classes and then redouble their focus on extracting as many spending cuts an entitlement reforms as possible. It’s the only path that turn the issue into one that favors the GOP. Let the national debate be framed by the importance of spending cuts, not on tax rates for top income earners.

Perhaps Boehner has come to accept that the only way to force the right wing into facing policial reality is a shock from the markets. That will certainly happen if no agreement is reached.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

L.I.B.

they lie on December 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

History indicates that a small cave on tax rises will not result in a cave by leftists.

c.f. – Reagan’s tax rises and amnesty. Once side kept up their end of the bargain, yours decided it wasn’t necessary.

CorporatePiggy on December 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

… Perhaps Boehner has come to accept that the only way to force the right wing into facing policial reality is a shock from the markets. That will certainly happen if no agreement is reached.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Because “the markets” have been the solid rock we’ve all been clinging to until now.

/eyeroll

Moron.

M240H on December 16, 2012 at 2:15 PM

$250K will just get you a comfortable middle class lifestyle in Manhattan, with kiddies in private schools (what Dem wants their kids educated by the teacheres’ unions?)

It’s a tax only on income earned above $250k, so if you earn $290k you’re going to pay another 3$ to 4% on $40k.

And no, most urban Democrats don’t want their kids going to city public schools.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 2:15 PM

it sounds like John Boehner has served up a new offer to the President. And this one includes “the T word.”

The negotiations are supposed to be confidential, right? And word of this was leaked by the White House, if I have my facts straight. Gee, I wonder why the White House would do that…

ProfessorMiao on December 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM

TOP-10 “ONLY IN AMERICA” OBSERVATIONS — BY A CANADIAN*

1) Only in America could the rich people – who pay 86% of all income taxes – be accused of not paying their “fair share” by people who don’t pay any income taxes at all.

2) Only in America could people claim that the government still discriminates against black Americans when they have a black President, a black
Attorney General, and roughly 18% of the federal workforce is black while only 12% of the population is black

3) Only in America could they have had the two people most responsible for our tax code, Timothy Geithner, the head of the Treasury Department and Charles Rangel who once ran the Ways and Means Committee, BOTH turn out to be tax cheats who are in favor of higher taxes.

4) Only in America can they have terrorists kill people in the name of Allah and have the media primarily react by fretting that Muslims might be harmed by the backlash.

5) Only in America would they make people who want to legally become American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege while we discuss letting anyone who sneaks into the country illegally just ‘magically’ become American citizens.

6) Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country’s Constitution be thought of as “extremists.”

7) Only in America could you need to present a driver’s license to cash a check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

8) Only in America could people demand the government investigate whether oil companies are gouging the public because the price of gas went up when the return on equity invested in a major U.S. oil company (Marathon Oil) is less than half of a company making tennis shoes (Nike).

9) Only in America could the government collect more tax dollars from the people than any nation in recorded history, still spend a Trillion dollars more than it has per year – for total spending of $7-Million PER MINUTE, and complain that it doesn’t have nearly enough money.

10) Only in America could politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000.00 a plate campaign fund-raising event.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM

The best thing for the republicans to do is to push cuts and reforms–not tax rate increases. Also, they need to question loudly and everywhere “What is a ‘fair share’?”–for both the so-called rich and anyone else.

This offer with a tax rate change at a one million dollar figure could work, although it grants the principle that tax rates can go up on somebody, at which point the only remaining question on that line is how far.

Kevin K. on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM

May Boehner go to Hades, pronto.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM

I see the “Cut off our nose to spite our face” crowd is in fine form today.

This is a brilliant move by Boehner because it demolishes Obama’s most valuable talking point. Obama can’t say Republicans flat-out refused to raise taxes anymore. He can try to argue that it’s still not “balanced” but that line gets thinner with every move Boehner makes.

This is how the game is played, folks. We complain all the time that Democrats play chess while Republicans play checkers. Well, Boehner’s playing chess. Quit whining and give him room to maneuver.

Caiwyn on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM

TEATERMERICA!!!

Where two party rule is alive and well. We have THE Democrat Party and……the OTHER Democrat Party.

PappyD61 on December 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Congressman, it’s time to go home for Christmas.

NavyMustang on December 16, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Boehner is overplaying his hand …..
Brayam

Only because Obama has arse kissers like you and the media ready to carry the water…… you’re such a tool.

CW on December 16, 2012 at 2:29 PM

It’s time for Boehner to man-up and tell Obama his offer is on the table, he’s going to release it to the press and when Obama gets serious about negotiating to give him a call.

I’ve watched John Boehner lead the Republicans down a path that has caused them to lose the faith of the voters. He was given a huge majority, in the House, and he squandered that majority trying to compromise with people who only want to win. He pokes around with cuts in spending that amount to little more than pocket-change in a $2+ trillion budget and then wants to give this President more money, not to pay down the debt, but to squander on more Solyndras.

It’s time to point that out to the public and FORCE the press to acknowledge those facts.

bflat879 on December 16, 2012 at 2:30 PM

…fluke no Boner!…and the nothing hanging below it!

KOOLAID2 on December 16, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Obama wants to tax all of us, for everything he can squeeze us for. He wants no deal . . . he wants sequestration, then he can sort through the rubble and cut only those things his socialist mind desires. This entire charade is a complete farce and a waste of time. You’re being played people, like a cheap harmonica. Thank you enlightened voters . . . you really stuck it to us this time.

rplat on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

You’re right. But it would seem that the GOP went into these “negotiations” with the attitude that they would have to give in somewhere, and probably in multiple areas. Not a good place to start.

I wonder if the O would cut social programs and various handouts just to blame the Republicans? That’s the most Machiavellian scenario I can come up with.

Unfortunately, even the GOP has been complicit in floating our debt at increasingly higher levels over the years and seem to have painted themselves into a corner.

So the question becomes, what will the Republicans do in order to preserve their own best interests?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 16, 2012 at 2:31 PM

This is a brilliant move by Boehner because it demolishes Obama’s most valuable talking point. Obama can’t say Republicans flat-out refused to raise taxes anymore.
Caiwyn on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Nobody cares. Just… nobody cares. No one is admiring Boehner’s “shrewd” chess moves, be it consciously or subconsciously. Obama and the media will spin this anyway they want and he’ll get no flack from the media or most Americans.

Dongemaharu on December 16, 2012 at 2:31 PM

The Weeping Boner has to go before he does any more damage. The Crybaby Boner is a total loser who should just join Charlie Crist and declare himself a lunatic dem, already. His actions have already made that point loud and clear.

And shame on the GOP House for letting this POS stay on as Speaker all this time. Pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 16, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Government spending is out of control.

Let’s give them more money to play with.

How does this FIGURE?

Are they all nuts?

profitsbeard on December 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Are they all nuts?

profitsbeard on December 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM

They’re not Planters quality, but yes.

Steve Eggleston on December 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM

profitsbeard on December 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Not just that but the Weeping Boner is helping the left take their class warfare cr@p into the tax code.

The House had better slap down any deals this idiot makes on no ones behalf.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 16, 2012 at 2:36 PM

1. Push for 50% taxes on anyone who earns $1M and up.
2. Kill the trust fund loophole.
3. See Democrats vote the tax down.

Archivarix on December 16, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Obama is gonna moon walk all over republicans.

rubberneck on December 16, 2012 at 2:36 PM

It’s a tax only on income earned above $250k, so if you earn $290k you’re going to pay another 3$ to 4% on $40k.

And no, most urban Democrats don’t want their kids going to city public schools.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Communist scum, the issue with the business owners who make a million dollar a year and employs 5 people for example… If his income tax rate goes from 35% to 39.6% then he is going to pay an extra $ 40,000 in taxes… Of course he is not going to take a $ 40,000 loss in his business so he has few painful options to make: Fire one of his employees, or cut wages and benefits for his employees, or increase the price of his products, or all of the above… For certain he will not hire any additional employees… This is called the basic economics and business but communist scums like you and you party leader will never understand…

…And why urban democrats do not want their kids going to city public schools when these f***ing urban hypocrite democrats are advocating higher taxes to get more money for public schools? Of course the answer for that is very simple, the white hypocrite liberal do not want their children in the same place with blacks and hispanics children…

mnjg on December 16, 2012 at 2:37 PM

As many others have already pointed out, it would be far more productive for the GOP to accept a small increase in marginal tax rates for some income classes and then redouble their focus on extracting as many spending cuts an entitlement reforms as possible.

bayam

And we all know you libs really want republicans to be far more productive, so clearly the republican party should follow the advice of liberals. I mean, they’re only trying to help, lol. If the GOP really REALLY wants to be productive, they should give Obama control of the debt limit and pass amnesty too!

If the Republicans follow your advice, they will lose the House in 2014, and more seats in the senate, and Obama will end his administration the way he began it…with control of everything. But that’s kind of the point, isn’t it?

xblade on December 16, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Why are we negotiating with BHO? Anything short of full capitulation will be rejected. Submit our plan and let the Dems in the Senate decide whether they will accept it or not.

yongoro on December 16, 2012 at 2:38 PM

1. Push for 50% taxes on anyone who earns $1M and up.
2. Kill the trust fund loophole.
3. See Democrats vote the tax down.

Archivarix on December 16, 2012 at 2:36 PM

No.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 16, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Why should Obama agree to any deal? Once we are over the cliff, he gets higher taxes, less defense spending and a patsy in those evil Republicans to blame. That is, everything he wants. Plus, there is an awful good chance we’ll see a new recession next summer an “no deal” is looking like the perfect political defense for the Dems.

Fred 2 on December 16, 2012 at 2:39 PM

1. Push for 50% taxes on anyone who earns $1M and up.
2. Kill the trust fund loophole.
3. See Democrats vote the tax down.

Archivarix on December 16, 2012 at 2:36 PM

And tax the “wealth”… Each year you assess the hypocrite limousine liberals total wealth and tax it 50%… Then they will be screaming…

mnjg on December 16, 2012 at 2:40 PM

it would be far more productive for the GOP to accept a small increase in marginal tax rates for some income classes and then redouble their focus on extracting as many spending cuts an entitlement reforms as possible.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Wrong. You can take your class warfare and shove it. If you want taxes to go up, then they go up on everyone. The only fair income tax code is a flat income tax by percentage.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 16, 2012 at 2:40 PM

And tax the “wealth”… Each year you assess the hypocrite limousine liberals total wealth and tax it 50%… Then they will be screaming…

mnjg on December 16, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Double no.

What the hell is wrong with some of you people?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 16, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Wrong. You can take your class warfare and shove it. If you want taxes to go up, then they go up on everyone. The only fair income tax code is a flat income tax by percentage.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 16, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Starting at the first dollar and ending at the last one.

Steve Eggleston on December 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Boehner is overplaying his hand by refusing to accept the President’s firm position of increased taxes on all earned income above $250k.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Boehner is underplaying his hand by not telling Obama “If you want the Department of Education to be funded at all, start proposing spending cuts.”

Obama is lucky that Republicans regard power politics as unladylike.

PersonFromPorlock on December 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Double no.

What the hell is wrong with some of you people?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 16, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Of course I do not support this but I just want to expose the limousine liberal hypocrisy…

mnjg on December 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Boehner is probably going to get the best possible political positioning Republicans could expect. His strategy is to demonstrate that Obama is offering nothing – which we all understand, but the MSM has successfully blurred.

Face it, folks, Obama could eat a baby alive and the press wouldn’t find anything to criticize.

Adjoran on December 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Throw the crying bum out!

RAGIN CAJUN on December 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Boehner should offer Obama all the tax increases his heart desires under the condition that all elected politician in America receive a 100 percent tax rate forever.

SWalker on December 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Talked to my congressman yesterday at a church Christmas play.He assure me if Boehner caved on tax rates there were at least 20 Rep congressman that would just vote present at the election next year for speaker.This if true would prevent Boehner from becoming speaker.

logman1 on December 16, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Why are we negotiating with BHO? Anything short of full capitulation will be rejected. Submit our plan and let the Dems in the Senate decide whether they will accept it or not.

yongoro on December 16, 2012 at 2:38 PM

I agree… The House Republican should vote on two separate bills…

Bill # 1: extend the Bush tax cuts for people making up to $ 200,000 (individual), $ 250,000 (couples)… This will be signed by Obama..

Bill # 2: also extend the Bush tax cuts for people making more than $ 200,000 (individual), $ 250,000 (couples)… This will most probably be stopped by the Senate but even if it passes the Senate Obama will veto it… So Obama and the democrats would have taxed the job creators and unleash the economic disaster that would certain to follow…

mnjg on December 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Of course I do not support this but I just want to expose the limousine liberal hypocrisy…

mnjg on December 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I understand but you’re going about it in the entirely wrong way. You don’t legitimize insane tax policy (which advocating for it does, whether you want to or not) in order to kill it. Things just don’t work that way.

And I think you seriously underestimate the insanity of the left and how much they want to bring this nation to its knees. They aren’t nearly as beholden to their own money as you seem to think if they think they are exchanging it for a total destruction of America and political capital in return. Look at their totally suicidal forced and criminal passing of ObamaScare. I’ll bet that 5 years ago you would have proposed making them vote for that in order to “expose the hypocrisy”. But, they did. And they haven’t even suffered much for it, save 2010 (which did nothing as the Weeping Boner allowed the left to continue on with all their idiocies and insane, un-Constitutional budgetless spending).

Trust me, you don’t want to even try to out-left the left. They WILL vote for these lunatic positions, especially if it means more money for their treasured central, all-powerful government. And, in the process you would have to live with yourself having advocated and helped along all the things that you know killed this society dead (we’re close, as it is, and America has really gone by the wayside, already, replaced with the standing American Socialist Superstate which would love nothing more than to be able to implement a nationa wealth tax).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 16, 2012 at 2:54 PM

To repeat what I’ve been hammering on ’til I’m numb, Obama wants the REVENUE! he wants it from everybody, though he says he’s only after the rich. The danger with Obama is ever taking what he says at face value, on any subject, except maybe his favorite color and I’m not even sure about that.

He wants the revenue. He would love for taxes to go up across the board, so long as Republicans are blamed for it. The economy? He could care less. Look at the last four years.

He’s playing a game and the other side is severely handicapped by trying to negotiate with someone who isn’t negotiating. Hey, the last recession (which we’re still in, by the way, despite claims to the contrary) worked out just fine for him. Another one could flatten the earnings curve even more.

All good, in ObamaWorld.

Which suggest to me, there should be an ObamaWorld section of Disney World. It’s a place where everybody gets in free, but there’s nothing inside. Perfect.

IndieDogg on December 16, 2012 at 2:54 PM

It should also be noted that Boehner is talking to the wrong guy: the budget is properly decided in the House. Pelosi is the correct negotiator for the Democrats.

PersonFromPorlock on December 16, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Are they all nuts?

profitsbeard on December 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM

They’re not Planters quality, but yes.

Steve Eggleston on December 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Crazy Richards.

All of them.

profitsbeard on December 16, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Y’know what’d be great? If, instead of these secret society meetings where two people get to determine the date of millions, there’d be some public governmental body where laws of this nature could be debated in a public forum and then voted on by representatives of the millions.

That’d be a neat idea… Anybody else think that?

I weep for the America that was.

Skywise on December 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM

OT – RWM, this is for you and all interested.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Communist scum, the issue with the business owners who make a million dollar a year and employs 5 people for example… If his income tax rate goes from 35% to 39.6% then he is going to pay an extra $ 40,000 in taxes…

Ah yes, another Glenn Beck carnival barker here to amuse and share his worldly thoughts with the rest of us. If only the real and world-changing capitalists had your grasp of economics.

Where do you live, Bubbaville? The business owner who earns a mil a year and employs five…. you mean like Boss Hog?

Most of the wealth in this country is concentrated in urban areas where a broad range of lawyers, bankers, corp execs and others earn well over $1 mil in annual income yet don’t run a traditional small businesses.

If you want to protect small business owners, you don’t need to apply blanket protection for every top income earner. You don’t need to coddle Paris Hilton.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM

This is a brilliant move by Boehner because it demolishes Obama’s most valuable talking point. Obama can’t say Republicans flat-out refused to raise taxes anymore.

Caiwyn

So, Obama will no longer be able to lie about this issue because his lies aren’t true. Man, why didn’t we think of that sooner? I guess that’s why Obama wasn’t able to convince women that Romney was going to take their birth control away after Romney said he wasn’t going to take their birth control away, lol. Oh…wait.

xblade on December 16, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Let it burn.

Philly on December 16, 2012 at 3:06 PM

If you want to protect small business owners, you don’t need to apply blanket protection for every top income earner. You don’t need to coddle Paris Hilton.

bayam

Spoken like a good little communist.

xblade on December 16, 2012 at 3:13 PM

And this tool keeps getting re-elected and he continues to be the Speaker of the House? It’s time for a third party and now!!!

flytier on December 16, 2012 at 3:14 PM

If you want to protect small business owners, you don’t need to increasingly rob every top income earner. You don’t need to coddle Paris Hilton.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Fixed.

And Paris WILL be coddled since she has all the right Democrat connections. Unlike you, so at least you’ll suffer like the rest of us.

MelonCollie on December 16, 2012 at 3:14 PM

I am so sick of people acting as if any attempt to resolve this is some sort of cave..even if Obama passes Boehner needs to make the effort. Republicans will get blamed anyway, but that does not mean they have to make it easier for Obama and the media to call them fanatical and pig headed.

Terrye on December 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM

No.
Double no.

What the hell is wrong with some of you people?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 16, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Because it’s the only way to kill the class warfare rhetoric for good. The public is absolutely unaware – I’d say, on purpose – about how little taxes all lawyers, politicians, CEOs, and other people capable of hiring a good tax attorney pay. Most of these people are Democrats, and I do begrudge them their money because more often than not, that money is made off my back.

Archivarix on December 16, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Ah yes, another Glenn Beck carnival barker here to amuse and share his worldly thoughts with the rest of us. If only the real and world-changing capitalists had your grasp of economics.

Where do you live, Bubbaville? The business owner who earns a mil a year and employs five…. you mean like Boss Hog?

Most of the wealth in this country is concentrated in urban areas where a broad range of lawyers, bankers, corp execs and others earn well over $1 mil in annual income yet don’t run a traditional small businesses.

If you want to protect small business owners, you don’t need to apply blanket protection for every top income earner. You don’t need to coddle Paris Hilton.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Communist scum, you still cannot make any rational argument on how your destructive communist tax increases on the job creators are going to make us better… I gave the example of the business owner and the tax increase and destroyed your stupid communist ideology…

mnjg on December 16, 2012 at 3:16 PM

This deal is already done…please. They just haven’t told us yet.

tomas on December 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM

I lived through Carter. For me raising taxes and inflation while not fun wasn’t all that bad. Regan on the other hand was painful until he got inflation under control, because he fixed the runaway train.

That’s what scares me, the party hardy now but the landing will make Carter seem like a cake walk.

BullShooterAsInElk on December 16, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Obama was running for office saying unemployment was improving, all of his mouth pieces were saying it. Romney said people had fallen off the unemployment charts, and he was “Lying.” Unemployment is under 8%. Everything is fine and dandy, don’t ask us to extend unemployment.

We need jobs, private sector investment, and some solution to the ominous costs of Obamacare which are crippling employment, and a new simpler tax code, and entitlement reform. Obama winning 4 more years does not change that. He is going to Oahu or Maui, and doesn’t care about YOU.

Fleuries on December 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Pass a bill setting spending limits and tax rates back to 1998 when Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress balanced the budget…

… Then send it up to the Senate and walk away.

Trillions of spending would be cut and Oblahblah would have to choke on Clinton’s boney finger…

… Just do it!

Seven Percent Solution on December 16, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Countdown to Plan B from Outer Space is on. I hope they go with Rand Paul’s idea of passing a bill to make the Bush rates permanent and then passing the Dem plan while voting present and then going home.

crazywater on December 16, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Lots of inside baseball negotiating going on. Glad to see Jazz not get all knee-jerky. Boehner probably knows that Obama will reject his offer, but now he has elevated the image and bargaining position of the GOP.

swamp_yankee on December 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM

so stealing that …

conservative tarheel on December 16, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM
so stealing that …

conservative tarheel on December 16, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Me too. That’s awesome.

Alabama Infidel on December 16, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Talked to my congressman yesterday at a church Christmas play.He assure me if Boehner caved on tax rates there were at least 20 Rep congressman that would just vote present at the election next year for speaker.This if true would prevent Boehner from becoming speaker.

logman1 on December 16, 2012 at 2:50 PM

I hope you’re right, but you know how they all “talk the talk” when at home. As soon as Boner’ start taking away chairmanships, campaign funding, etc., they CAVE!

And what’s this “vote present” stuff. NO! Stand up and be counted. Vote FOR a conservative alternative to the worthless crybaby.

Alabama Infidel on December 16, 2012 at 4:04 PM

May Boehner go to Hades, pronto.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM

What’s this about Gary, Indiana?

Myron Falwell on December 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Talked to my congressman yesterday at a church Christmas play.He assure me if Boehner caved on tax rates there were at least 20 Rep congressman that would just vote present at the election next year for speaker.This if true would prevent Boehner from becoming speaker.

logman1 on December 16, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Will believe it when I see it. But oh how sweet it would be…

If I were Obama, I would love this attempt at mutiny, even after he turns down every spelunking expedition Boehner makes. Blame the GOP for not reaching a deal (whereas he will reject anything and everything they do) AND see their pathetic House leadership fall apart like a wet napkin.

Myron Falwell on December 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on December 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM

And what’s this “vote present” stuff. NO! Stand up and be counted. Vote FOR a conservative alternative to the worthless crybaby.

Alabama Infidel on December 16, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Isn’t it a seniority-based position? That would mean Eric Cantor (gag) would be next in line. Whoopie.

Myron Falwell on December 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM

f you want to protect small business owners, you don’t need to apply blanket protection for every top income earner. You don’t need to coddle Paris Hilton.

bayam on December 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Paris Hilton has earned income? Who knew?

Buck_Nekkid on December 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Isn’t it a seniority-based position? That would mean Eric Cantor (gag) would be next in line. Whoopie.

Myron Falwell on December 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM

No, the speaker of the house doesn’t even have to be a member of Congress.

FloatingRock on December 16, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Oh precious liberals of Hot Air, tell us again about how the Republicans never compromise and Obama is just trying oh so hard to deal with us stubborn wackadoos……

tdpwells on December 16, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Grover Norquist‏@GroverNorquist

Rasmussen poll: 73% of Americans want Federal government to reduce spending. 18% (including obama) want to spend more. NO MANDATE.

Seven Percent Solution on December 16, 2012 at 4:46 PM

I’d say something mean, but apparently we have to love the GOP around here no matter what.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

You do if you don’t want to be a pharisee!

/Old Country Boy

Dunedainn on December 16, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Rasmussen poll: 73% of Americans want Federal government to reduce spending. 18% (including obama) want to spend more. NO MANDATE.

Seven Percent Solution on December 16, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Boehner and his merry band of GOP insiders have amply demonstrated that they are impervious to such realities. They exist in their own little insulated world where they dance to a drummer paid for by their cronies and lobbyists rather than the drum beat of the real world populated by the American people that they’re supposed to serve.

FloatingRock on December 16, 2012 at 5:32 PM

I’m actually not mad at Boehner at all, surprisingly. Maybe because I figured that taxes were going up all along. It seems like the political tide may be turning just slightly. Anyway, we’re going off the cliff, so figure out how you’re going to survive. I suggest cutting every bill you can and explaining to the biller why you are canceling their service. Oh, and get used to eating beans.

txhsmom on December 16, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Paris Hilton has earned income? Who knew?

Buck_Nekkid on December 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM

That’s a good one. Somebody probably thinks the Kadashians have “earned income” too.

Don’t get me wrong. I admire a sucessful scam. Among the all time most sucessful scams, those two rank up there with the Orielly Factor and bottle water.

Alabama Infidel on December 16, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Paris Hilton has earned income? Who knew?

Buck_Nekkid on December 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM

This plus your username is absolutely hilarious!

She’s earned income alright, from being…well…you get it.

MelonCollie on December 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM

txhsmom on December 16, 2012 at 5:33 PM

There’s nothing forcing Boehner and the GOP to vote for tax increases, they can easily vote present and let the Democrats take responsibility. Voting to raise taxes will entail higher political risks for the GOP than merely voting present. Unfortunately the GOP is a tool of lobbyists and special interests. If the GOP doesn’t vote to raise taxes then the sequestration will go into affect, and although that would be a positive step for the benefit of Americas future, IMO, it will also mean that corporate welfare payments to Boehner’s and the GOP’s cronies will increase at a slightly slower rate in the future, (thus a good thing for America, but bad for the GOP elite).

FloatingRock on December 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM

If Boehner and the GOP vote to raise taxes it will be to avoid cutbacks in corporate welfare payments to GOP cronies.

The GOP will be betraying the oaths they took to their voters, (the American people), to accomplish something that is wrong, (increasing taxes during an economic recession/depression), in order to avoid doing something that is healthy and right, (decreasing corporate welfare payments to corrupt political cronies to take a step toward balancing the budget).

FloatingRock on December 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Violating the oath they took to voters not to raise taxes is wrong, and violating their oath for the purpose of maximizing corporate welfare, which is why we’re bankrupt, only makes it that much worse.

And that’s why Boehner negotiates in secret like a weasel instead of the way it was always done before, on the floor of the House and Senate.

FloatingRock on December 16, 2012 at 6:50 PM

And that’s why Boehner negotiates in secret like a weasel instead of the way it was always done before, on the floor of the House and Senate.

FloatingRock on December 16, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Indeed

SouthernGent on December 16, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I usually reserve the word ” hate” for specail occasions, but I am going to use it right here. I HATE Obama. Not because hes black, o no, because he thinks it funny to play with peoples lives like he has done. He does not want to extend the tax rates for no one. Its a game to him. If they expire, he can get a huge tax increase he has always wanted, he dont care who it comes from.

watertown on December 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Isn’t it a seniority-based position? That would mean Eric Cantor (gag) would be next in line. Whoopie.

Myron Falwell on December 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM

No, the speaker of the house doesn’t even have to be a member of Congress.

FloatingRock on December 16, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Then we should all band together and nominate AP for the post. At least when a bill passes that advances conservatism we can see footage of the humping robot play on CSPAN.

(AP, I’m kidding. Kinda.)

Myron Falwell on December 16, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I usually reserve the word ” hate” for specail occasions, but I am going to use it right here. I HATE Obama. Not because hes black, o no, because he thinks it funny to play with peoples lives like he has done. He does not want to extend the tax rates for no one. Its a game to him. If they expire, he can get a huge tax increase he has always wanted, he dont care who it comes from.

watertown on December 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

I would just as well put the hatred on all the people who VOTED for Obama. They were too stupid to know better and thus don’t deserve the right to vote.

Myron Falwell on December 16, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I wonder if the O would cut social programs and various handouts just to blame the Republicans? That’s the most Machiavellian scenario I can come up with.
–snip–
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 16, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Aren’t these the people who have been plausibly accused of coming up with and conducting “Fast and Furious” in order to demonize firearms in civilian hands–even with the probable (and unfortunately true) side effect of causing several to many deaths?

Kevin K. on December 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Boner = douchebag.

As it always has been…..as it always will be.

First step in fixing the GOP…dump Boner.

Until then….the establishment RINO’s own the party.

Tim_CA on December 17, 2012 at 12:33 AM

The source said Obama has not accepted the offer, according to the Associated Press, which added that Boehner is still seeking more spending cuts than Obama has proposed.

Translation: King 0bama wants the GOP to kiss his ring or he’ll burn the m***er f**ker down.

I would rather let it burn than kiss his ring.

UltimateBob on December 17, 2012 at 12:58 AM

I wonder if the O would cut social programs and various handouts just to blame the Republicans? That’s the most Machiavellian scenario I can come up with.
–snip–
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 16, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Of course he would. . . have we learned nothing about this man?

rplat on December 17, 2012 at 6:41 AM

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