Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on December 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Sunday she would introduce a bill re-instating the federal ban on assault weapons on the first day of the new Congress in January…

President Obama “is going to have a bill to lead on,” Feinstein said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” The measure, she said, would aim to take “weapons of war off the streets of our cities.” “It can be done,” she added.

“It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession, not retroactively, prospectively. And it will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets,” Feinstein said of her proposal.

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“I think we could be at a tipping point for two reasons, a tipping point where we might actually get something done,” Schumer said on CBS’s “Face the Nation”. “First this was not a single incident, it followed a series of others.”

Schumer noted mass shootings earlier this year in Colorado, where a masked gunman killed 12 in a movie theater, Oregon, where a 22-year-old man killed two with an assault rifle, and Wisconsin, where the estranged husband of a spa employee, killed three people.

“Second, of course, it involved children,” Schumer said of the Newtown killings…

“Reinstate the assault weapons ban, limit the size of clips to maybe no more than 10 bullets per clip, and the third would be to make it harder for mentally unstable people to get guns,” he said.

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They all say something must be done – the same thing they say after each horrific mass murder. But nothing is ever done. The truth is that Capitol Hill has been paralyzed on gun issues for most of this generation, having last approved major gun laws, including the “Brady bill” and the now-expired assault weapons ban, in 1994. Since then, the needle has moved toward fewer restrictions on guns and ammunition…

But there’s little reason for congressional gun-control advocates to believe that this tragedy will spark a rush to legislate. When Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House from January 2009 to January 2011, they didn’t reauthorize the assault weapons ban or put any other gun laws on the books. Party leaders have been afraid of a potential political backlash against culturally conservative Democrats from swing states, some of whom want to keep the National Rifle Association in their camp – or at least on the sidelines…

[Rep. Carolyn] McCarthy has said she’s willing to embarrass Obama publicly if he doesn’t take up the issue – and that’s what she conveyed to the White House before Friday’s killings.

“I agree this is not the time to talk about [gun control],” she told POLITICO’s Reid Epstein. “It should have been talked about years ago when we started having these mass shootings. It should have been done when Gabby Giffords was shot.”

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Hollywood has responded to the rampage at a Connecticut elementary school by pulling back on its offerings, and one star says the entertainment industry should take some responsibility for such violence.

Jamie Foxx, one of the industry’s biggest stars, said Saturday as he promoted Quentin Tarantino’s upcoming ultra-violent spaghetti Western-style film about slavery, “Django Unchained,” that actors can’t ignore the fact that movie violence can influence people.

“We cannot turn our back and say that violence in films or anything that we do doesn’t have a sort of influence,” Foxx said in an interview on Saturday. “It does.”

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In a discussion about America’s mental health system, Crowley and asked Hickenlooper whether the “culture of guns” creates a situation in which gun crimes are inevitable. “There is very little you can do to stop a determined person, do you feel that way,” Crowley asked.

Hickenlooper agreed wholeheartedly, and said we need to have “more people paying attention and trying to detect folks that are unstable” or “on the verge of real trouble.”

He went on to say our violent culture, including the “depiction of assault weapons again and again” in video games and the media contributes to gun crimes. The governor also suggested that the criminals might, in their minds, “become part of the video games” when they carry out these tragic crimes.

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I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me…

I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am Jason Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness

I don’t believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael’s sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise—in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population.

No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”

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Brooks said that, while he greatly admires Mayor Bloomberg, he is unsure that a big city mayor is the most effective spokesperson for the cause of gun control.

“One of the problems with this debate; it’s become a values war. It’s perceived as urban versus rural. And, frankly, it’s perceived as an attack on the lifestyle of rural people by urban people. And, I admire Mayor Bloomberg enormously – there’s probably no politician I agree with more – but it’s counterproductive to have him as the spokesperson for the gun law movement. There has to be more respect and more people, frankly, from rural and red America who are participants in this.”

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“I’m not sure so — and I’m sure I’ll get nailed for this — I wouldn’t want one person in a school armed, ready for this kind of thing,” Bennett said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

“It has to be someone who is trained, it has to be someone who is responsible,” he said. “But my God, if you can prevent this kind of thing.”

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“It’s time for the president, I think, to stand up and lead and tell this country what we should do.”

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I wish to God (the principal) had had an M4 in her office, locked up, so when she heard gunfire she pulls it out … and takes him out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids,” the Republican from Texas said on “Fox News Sunday.”…

“Every mass killing of more than three people in recent history has been in a place where guns were prohibited, except for one,” he said, arguing for looser gun laws so more people can be armed for self-protection. “They know no one will be armed.”

Via Gateway Pundit:

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Via the Daily Caller.


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Life in the Soviet Union

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Stupid, whiny, OWSing leftists would never pick up on the slam/sarcasm here.

Soviet Man Elegy

Anti-Control on December 17, 2012 at 2:02 AM

color me surprised…not… like monkies that have been bitten by scorpions, establishment sock-puppets quickly respond with proposals to further enhance state power while, at the same time, shrinking individual liberty. Taking the advice of the neo-Machiavellian Rahm Emanuel – that “a crisis is a terrible thing to waste”

Obama shed his crocodile tears for the latest group of victims. As he began to speak, and before the president pretended to wipe tears from his eyes, CNN informed us that “Obama Weeps Over School Massacre”: sure, just as he continues to weep over the tens of thousands of children and other innocent victims of his wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and any other places he might arbitrarily choose to attack. He then spoke of the need to take “meaningful action” to prevent such murderous acts in the future. Gosh, I wonder what such “actions” might entail?

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 17, 2012 at 2:03 AM

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 1:57 AM

lolz..That is a tough job..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM

Anti-Control on December 17, 2012 at 2:02 AM

Yet, they are the ‘nuanced’ and ‘enlightened’ ones. I love it when they assume we are all rubes.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM

Jackie can turn a phrase for sure.

She prolly turns heads too .

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 2:00 AM

…bet you gophergirl does too!
…did you see that earlier?…5’9″…that’s almost an Amazon!
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 2:08 AM

donabernathy on December 17, 2012 at 2:03 AM

The Man Who Couldn’t Cry

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Yet, they are the ‘nuanced’ and ‘enlightened’ ones. I love it when they assume we are all rubes.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM

I think we need intellectuals like libfreeordie and D(bag)Bear to explain to us in plain English what 0dumba was getting at when he said he wanted to fundamentally transform America – I want people like them to try this line out on their wives, husbands, or partners sometime, and share the reactions with the rest of us: “Honey, I really, really love you, but I feel the need to fundamentally change you.”

They are too stupid for words.

Anti-Control on December 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM

The war on boys is coming home to roost.

rickyricardo on December 17, 2012 at 1:59 AM

This one is good all around.

Music for Boys

Anti-Control on December 17, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Sarah

Unspeakable evil slammed America in the beautiful little town of Newtown, Connecticut, just days ago. No words can express the collective shock and sorrow shared by Americans who know the murder of innocent children is the most horrendous crime imaginable. The Connecticut state motto, “Qui transtulit sustinet,” promises that only God can sustain us. Though still insufficient and unfulfilling for the grieving families of these beautiful babies in the Lord’s arms now, perhaps those words are all the inconsolable loved ones can hold on to at this time. May God show His sustaining love to them right now. Please Lord.

It may seem, especially after Friday, the world is spinning fast and furious and out of control. Many political, economic, and societal problems attempt to weigh down our spirit so heavily that some despondently give up after being deceptively led to believe there is no real hope for anything getting better. And despite 24-hour news cycles with constant information flooding our eyes and ears with much white noise, TV’s talking heads really have nothing meaningful to offer.

Those who let themselves be terribly disappointed in political leaders as they ignore real problems, aided along with a complicit media bombarding us with irrelevant distractions in order to avoid facing the reality of a fallen culture, should know those distractions are to hide from a finger pointing to the main contributors to much of our problem. To stop distracting would result in acknowledging the political and media machine’s starring roles in our failing society. So, as they too often tear down those who try to do good, while elevating and celebrating corrupt selfishness, they dumbly assume we don’t know it is they who significantly contribute to our upside down world today. We’ve learned our lesson. Don’t put your hope in Hollywood or Washington. Instead, build resolve and seek truth more aggressively than ever at such a time as this.

I only know one source of truth and real hope. I call out to this hope with only childlike faith because I am so overwhelmed by the miraculous answers to my prayers that the comforting, secure hope I cling to is too inexplicable for a simpleminded person like me. Plus, because I am not a perfect Christian – and have never met one – I dare not judge others’ “Christian quotient,” and inarticulately explaining my faith is too often interpreted wrongly, hence, my thankfulness in being allowed via the Good Book to have a childlike faith that’s good enough for God. Further, I do not wish to force my beliefs down anyone’s throat – and simple faith does not do that. Though I’ll share my faith unapologetically, I beg fellow faith-filled fallible human beings to quit pretending anyone’s effective in forcing others to see the light; please also quit pretending you are holier than thou. You are not. I am not. We’re merely fortunate enough to have been knocked to our knees at some point in life and grabbed hold of the opportunity to accept undeserved grace and forgiveness that allows a rebirth and its accompanying peace that passeth all understanding. I cling to it not because I am bitter, but because there is nothing better.

there is more

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151191714058435

r keller on December 17, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Such legislation could, and would, be turned on them. They won’t embrace it for that very reason.

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2012 at 1:53 AM

Gawd I hope you’re right, but I also know how badly they want that power. And, I haven’t noticed any slippery slopes stopping the leftists up to this point, though a few are beginning to show slight nervousness about all of Obama’s power-grabbing EO’s and his obvious disdain for the law and constitution. But, we all know the Preezy’s not using all that power for any nefarious purposes because we all agree with him, so it’s cool.

Harbingeing on December 17, 2012 at 2:33 AM

there is more

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151191714058435

r keller on December 17, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Beautifully written. And here I thought she was just some ignorant, illiterate chillbilly.

NoLeftTurn on December 17, 2012 at 2:33 AM

…don’t want to point it out or anything…but the response to trolls hasn’t been that numerous tonight…and for those that say they HAVE TO RESPOND to trolls… to get the comment count…uhmmmmmm…check out the comment count tonight…compared to what’s been going on here, since the election!
Fluke the trolls!
You don’t need them!…WE /You… need….YOU!
TROLLCOTT them!

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 3:32 AM

I think we need intellectuals like libfreeordie and D(bag)Bear to explain to us in plain English what 0dumba was getting at when he said he wanted to fundamentally transform America – I want people like them to try this line out on their wives, husbands, or partners sometime, and share the reactions with the rest of us: “Honey, I really, really love you, but I feel the need to fundamentally change you.”

They are too stupid for words.

Anti-Control on December 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM

…NO!…they have tried English forever!..ROSETTA STONE ain’t working!…it is time to pull/rip out their tongues!

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 3:38 AM

Noah Webster said it well back in 1787

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 5:25 AM

‘It isn’t called the Bill of Needs’

The 2nd Amendment isn’t about hunting or sport, or even personal defense. It’s about shooting tyrants. Foreign and Domestic.

The CT Gov. went on TV this weekend and said ‘this is why we need to reinstate the AWB’ – HIS STATE ALREADY HAS ONE. It didn’t prevent a psychotic from murdering people.

There is no limit to the limits totalitarian statists seek to impose on a subject population. Their ONLY limit is our tolerance and our arms. THAT is what the Founders intended the 2nd Amendment to enumerate. That is why Leftists work so tirelessly to disarm the american populace.

Lastly, firearms ownership as a Right is NOT granted by the 2nd Amendment, but RECOGNIZED. The Rights enumerated within the Bill of Rights exist on their own, they are human rights, not granted via that instrument. That was the purpose of the BoR, to make this clear, as an addendum to an entire document that was put forth as a LIMIT on the Federal government of these United States.
That is why Obama and his fellow Tranzis refer to the Constitution of this nation as a flawed document, ‘a document of negative rights’, meaning that it doesn’t fit their totalitarian desires so they think it must be changed. Or ignored. That is what Obama promised to do in his heavily manipulative speech tonight, at a memorial for murdered children.

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 5:37 AM

cripe….is the lsm praising dear leader this am…wasn’t he awesome

blech

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 5:46 AM

Harbingeing on December 17, 2012 at 2:33 AM

+1

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 5:50 AM

The Second Amendment:
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Some of you might have read that for the first time in your lives. It certainly is not related in many public schools. In fact they often omit it altogether in the scant hour they might address the Bill of RIGHTS. And they certainly do not discuss the broader issues of teh American Revolution and response to tyranny, or what that tyranny even was. They’re too busy teaching marxism / social justice / class warfare.

In the parlance of the day, ‘regulated’ meant equipped.
In the parlance of the day, ‘militia’ meant every able bodied male. And that militia was NOT beholden to any particular govt authority, but an association of free men, combining their strength to deal with whatever problem presented itself.
‘State’ referred to the entire polity.
And ‘bear’ means carry about, use, train with. It doesn’t mean only allowed to be used in the home, after you unlock, reassemble and load it. As pols controlling our Blue city murder capitals would prefer.

Massad Ayoob, a long time gun writer and expert witness in self defense court cases wrote a short essay this weekend, entitled ‘Against Monsters’. At teh end of that essay he renamed ‘gun free zones’ as ‘hunting preserves for psychopaths’. He is quite correct.

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 5:58 AM

i feel real empathy for the families of sandy hook, but it is starting to feel like exploitation by the lsm, with the 24/7 reporting of this tragedy…
———————–
I know those children are in the arms of Jesus right now and that He is the rock that the families can lean on during these times…

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 6:07 AM

morning joe has joined the chorus of gun control now…

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 6:13 AM

morning joe has joined the chorus of idiots restricting guns to people who follow laws…big surprise. Now we just have to worry about people who don’t follow laws – like every mass shooter ever.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:33 AM

“I wish to God (the principal) had had an M4 in her office, locked up, so when she heard gunfire she pulls it out … and takes him out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids,” the Republican from Texas said on “Fox News Sunday.”…

Even a taser would have disarmed him.

morning joe has joined the chorus of gun control now…

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 6:13 AM

That is not a surprise. I live in the country and we have guns…the people who are doing this are urban people..not hicks with shotguns. They should leave us alone.

Terrye on December 17, 2012 at 6:34 AM

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:33 AM

exactamundo

Terrye on December 17, 2012 at 6:34 AM

yepper

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 6:38 AM

ot: i guess with all this coverage, boehner thought he could get away with his millionaire tax hike offer to obama…i guess he was right….crickets, haven’t heard a bloody thing about it…

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 6:41 AM

I like cmsinaz’s way with words ;) exactamundo’s my favorite, especially when applied to what I say

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:41 AM

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 6:13 AM

I liked Brit Hume and Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday yesterday.

Hume said it’s way too early to discuss policy prescriptions, because we don’t even know what we know about this.

Kristol said that we should talk about it all–mental health, a culture saturated in Hollywood’s unceasing efforts to destroy the innocence of our children, and gun control. But above all, he said, we need to talk about what works, and in that regard, he mentioned something about significant social science research demonstrating that gun control doesn’t help anything.

Conservatives need to point out to liberals that in the wake of these and other mass murders, convicting guns for these mass murders will be akin to railroading innocent suspects for horrific crimes committed by others. If you don’t remedy the cause–or catch the right guy–you’ve accomplished NOTHING.

BuckeyeSam on December 17, 2012 at 6:42 AM

“Now, I doubt any of you would prefer a rolled up newspaper as a weapon against a dictator or a criminal intruder. Yet in essence, that is what you have asked our loved ones to do, through an ill-contrived and totally naive campaign against the Second Amendment.” – Charlton Heston

My take #1,001.

kingsjester on December 17, 2012 at 6:43 AM

all I heard cmsinaz

was that the Big Zero rejected it anyway. Too extreme on the spending cuts, and taxes on only millionaires isn’t enough!

like the eight days of funding he’ll get from small businesses is

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:43 AM

why don’t they concentrate on the video games lanza was playing.

let get rid of those.

renalin on December 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM

My take #1,001.

kingsjester on December 17, 2012 at 6:43 AM

I did finally read one of your takes. Decent. logical unlike proglodyte ramblings. I don’t know if I’ll be a regular, but congrats on 1001 and keep up the good fight.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM

why don’t they concentrate on the video games lanza was playing.

let get rid of those.

renalin on December 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM

we don’t ban stuff in America. except for Murder, and 20 oz sodas

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:47 AM

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Thank you. Next time, congratulate someone with the front of your hand.

kingsjester on December 17, 2012 at 6:49 AM

kingsjester on December 17, 2012 at 6:49 AM

lol. There are those who can’t take compliments and those who can’t give them.

I’m both. Seriously. 1000 shows dedication, and I admire dedication very much. It’s something I’ve striven for my whole life and usually fall short.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:53 AM

I hope they don’t ban kill rooms next, cause I have a well hidden one on about 40 of my “back acres”

Only one body and I’m not saying more than rhymes with Bimmy Zoffa.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:41 AM

:)

BuckeyeSam on December 17, 2012 at 6:42 AM

i hope they do, but then you hear morning joe and I wonder if conservatives will speak up, the lsm has the bully pulpit, that’s the only thing these folk hear sad to say…

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 6:43 AM

so now millionaire isn’t enough….cripe…

boehner, let him own this boondoggle cripesakes…gop keeps giving in and obama stands his ground…why won’t the gop stand their ground…aarrrgghhhh

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 7:06 AM

morning joe doing his best tingles impersonation….spewing crap ‘why does someone need a bushmaster to kill a duck’

puhleeze

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 7:09 AM

cops in Britain don’t carry guns. They scare criminals with billy clubs, goofy hats, whistles and bad teeth.

then they get shot by criminals

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 7:16 AM

i’m selling “obama tears” they’ll come in these cool vials and will be targeted to the food stamp crowd.

tons of money to be made.

renalin on December 17, 2012 at 7:17 AM

Cory Booker lived on what? 33 dollars of food stamps for a week?

I’ve never heard such horse hockey. 4-500 dollars a month is more like it. That’s more than I spend on food in two months, and I have to pay for it. Guess it’s back to shooting deer off season, or bowing to Kenyan Ear King

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM

spewing crap ‘why does someone need a bushmaster to kill a duck’

puhleeze

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 7:09 AM

The commies on Morning Joe (why the hell you watch that crap escapes me) need to understand that this really should not be a discussion of gun control. It is an discussion about identifying and treating those with mental health issues. Not one of the shooters in any of these cases was considered normal and fully functional in society. Not a single effing one.

So all these well-meaning idiots who stand up and cheer when a partisan whore like Feinsteinuses those twenty precious children to further her own ideologically-driven motives all I can do is shake my head in disgust. Those children should not be pawns for anybody’s agenda be it a shriveled up old prune like Feinstein, anti-Constitution groups like the Brady crowd, or an outright socialist like the rat-eared wonder.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 7:25 AM

Didn’t watch for very long happy nomad …taken a hiatus just wanted to see what they would spew afyer thus tragedy and they didn’t disappoint

Another great take KJ!

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 7:32 AM

Conservatives need to point out to liberals that in the wake of these and other mass murders, convicting guns for these mass murders will be akin to railroading innocent suspects for horrific crimes committed by others. If you don’t remedy the cause–or catch the right guy–you’ve accomplished NOTHING.

BuckeyeSam on December 17, 2012 at 6:42 AM

You say that as if you think there is any point in talking to commies as if they are rational human beings. They are not. They’ve got a hatred of the Second Amendment and those precious children are nothing more than political markers in what they see as a bigger battle. In short, not one of those liberals out there crying over dead children gives a damn about the victims. This is all about banning guns and the facts do not matter one whit. They take the same talking points they’ve used for decades and smear them in the blood of dead children (as they did dead movie goers and dead Congressional aides).

There will continue to be mass shootings so long as the focus is on weapons and ammo instead of facts and a discussion about mental health treatment.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 7:33 AM

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 7:32 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on December 17, 2012 at 7:34 AM

cops in Britain don’t carry guns. They scare criminals with billy clubs, goofy hats, whistles and bad teeth.

then they get shot by criminals

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 7:16 AM

But how can that be when Britain has a ban on guns that goes further even than American liberals dare suggest? And, BTW, while the Newtown shooting is horrifying for many reasons, do you know what they call 28 people killed by guns in Chicago? Saturday.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Somebody needs to ask Oputin but about Fast an Furious Gun Control, and what lessons were learned there. And could remove Executive Privilege cover.

And btw,
Who gave the stand Down Order at Benghazi ?

FlaMurph on December 17, 2012 at 7:43 AM

But how can that be when Britain has a ban on guns that goes further even than American liberals dare suggest? And, BTW, while the Newtown shooting is horrifying for many reasons, do you know what they call 28 people killed by guns in Chicago? Saturday.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Couldn’t resist throwing in the joke could you? Loser.

rjl1999 on December 17, 2012 at 7:45 AM

Can someone answer me one simple question?

Using a hunting rifle for hunting, I can see, though I mean hunting as in for food, not for trophy purposes.

Using a handgun for home protection, I can somewhat see, as long as the gun is licensed and registered and the owner has been trained in how to use it safely.

But short of being in the military on the battlefield, or guarding an embassy or something, what the hell does someone need a high powered assault rifle or a Glock that fires five rounds a second for?

I believe in protecting the rights the 2nd Amendment has to offer, but at the same time, I challenge anyone out there to tell me with a perfectly straight face that when it was written, the writers of the Constitution saw the coming of the incredible firepower we now have.

Unless I missed something in high school history class, back then, “arms” meant powder muskets, knives, and swords.

I would like for anyone, especially a card-carrying NRA member, to explain to me that someone like Ben Franklin somehow saw ahead in to the future to the advent of the Sig Sauer or even the M-16 and said “Yep! Those are arms that people should have the right to bear!”!

And no, I am not some bleeding heart nanny nation left-leaning liberal. I consider myself a Constitution defending conservative who is trying to appeal to common sense and reason here.

pilamaye on December 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

Couldn’t resist throwing in the joke could you? Loser.

rjl1999 on December 17, 2012 at 7:45 AM

You really think the number of bodies that pile up at the Chicago morgue on any given weekend is a joke? I really think you need to recalibrate your life and figure out to function without that giant chip on your shoulder. And I won’t even call you a loser because it is inappropriate to insult the mentally retarded!

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 7:49 AM

Jamie Foxx, one of the industry’s biggest stars, said Saturday as he promoted Quentin Tarantino’s upcoming ultra-violent spaghetti Western-style film about slavery, “Django Unchained,” that actors can’t ignore the fact that movie violence can influence people.

wth?

Then why would you make a film, Mr. Foxx, in which the story line is gratuitous killing and revenge.

Tagline:

“Kill white folks and they pay you for it? Ain’t that the life.”

“Django”

hawkdriver on December 17, 2012 at 7:49 AM

And no, I am not some bleeding heart nanny nation left-leaning liberal. I consider myself a Constitution defending conservative who is trying to appeal to common sense and reason here.

pilamaye on December 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

if the last part is true. then the rest you said is pure bunk.

renalin on December 17, 2012 at 7:50 AM

pilamaye on December 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

You do realize that there is such a thing a recreational shooting, right? Not everybody that has weapons are mentally deficient loners scoping out the local school for opportunity. You may or may not be a gun-hating commie but I, for one, really resent this idea that everybody that has a weapon more powerful than a Daisy BB gun is some sort of irresponsible psychopath itching to go on a killing spree.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 7:53 AM

You really think the number of bodies that pile up at the Chicago morgue on any given weekend is a joke? I really think you need to recalibrate your life and figure out to function without that giant chip on your shoulder. And I won’t even call you a loser because it is inappropriate to insult the mentally retarded!

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 7:49 AM

You aren’t too bright are you? You were obviously making a joke. A chip on my shoulder? Project much?

rjl1999 on December 17, 2012 at 7:53 AM

And for the commenters above about the British Police. Many are now armed and there are calls to arm more.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/police-shootings/49105/two-police-officers-dead-it-time-arm-british-police#

This story is pretty sad if you care to read it.

hawkdriver on December 17, 2012 at 7:54 AM

pilamaye on December 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

There is not one weapon I own that Ben Franklin would mind. Considering he marveled at technology, I’m sure he would be impressed with my ARs. And I’m also sure he and Thomas Jefferson would both agree that their capabilities are just what they were referring to in their public statements about the right to own arms.

Jefferson said it best.

“None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important.” –Thomas Jefferson, 1803.

hawkdriver on December 17, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Who gave the stand Down Order at Benghazi ?

FlaMurph on December 17, 2012 at 7:43 AM

musta been Obama, Hillary has concussion symptoms! dear mr

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:11 AM

dear mr

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:11 AM

dear my! of course

the r is two keys away, I must be going figuratively insane

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:13 AM

Obama says we “can’t tolerate this anymore”

I can’t tolerate Kenyan born Conecticans anymore, but life sucks

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:17 AM

oh, and the Patriots suck!! haha

they always give AFC too much credit. They’re like the Obama of football

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:18 AM

You were obviously making a joke.

rjl1999 on December 17, 2012 at 7:53 AM

I do not believe he meant it as a joke. It was a statement of horrifying fact.

The idea gun grabbers and other pacifistic do-gooders of their ilk mean well and do no real harm is badly wrong. The constant slaughter taking place in our gun ‘controlled’ inner cities is grim proof.

If you want to reduce crime, lock up criminals, not guns.

fadetogray on December 17, 2012 at 8:18 AM

So much easier to blame guns, than that violent garbage Hollywood feeds us 24/7. Rap music isn’t rap without some one doing the sideway semi auto shopt around. Kids are exposed to this while endlessly playing their ultra violent video games.

RdLake on December 17, 2012 at 8:21 AM

Kids are exposed to this while endlessly playing their ultra violent video games.

RdLake on December 17, 2012 at 8:21 AM

Fantasy violence isn’t the problem. The celebrating of evil is. Old Westerns are often very violent, but the viewer is clearly encouraged to identify with the good guy protagonist against the bad guy scum.

fadetogray on December 17, 2012 at 8:27 AM

RdLake on December 17, 2012 at 8:21 AM

sorry, I don’t like banning stuff. The left, the right, makes no difference. Stop banning stuff.

Rap is horrible these days though. I pine for the days lyrics were more important than “money, b!tches and ho’s”

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:28 AM

Rap is horrible these days though. I pine for the days lyrics were more important than “money, b!tches and ho’s”

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:28 AM

I think the scary part is that rap is reflective of the mindset of a certain inner-city culture (also adopted by posers in the suburbs). It is small wonder that gun violence is so prevelant in places like Chicago, LA, and Detroit.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 8:39 AM

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 8:39 AM

any inner city culture now. It’s pants past the knees, white tee shirts, garish sneakers, and lyrics that don’t rhyme and Katy Perry could obliterate with her wordsmithing. That’s pretty bad.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Can someone answer me one simple question?

Using a hunting rifle for hunting, I can see, though I mean hunting as in for food, not for trophy purposes.

Using a handgun for home protection, I can somewhat see, as long as the gun is licensed and registered and the owner has been trained in how to use it safely.

But short of being in the military on the battlefield, or guarding an embassy or something, what the hell does someone need a high powered assault rifle or a Glock that fires five rounds a second for?

I believe in protecting the rights the 2nd Amendment has to offer, but at the same time, I challenge anyone out there to tell me with a perfectly straight face that when it was written, the writers of the Constitution saw the coming of the incredible firepower we now have.

Unless I missed something in high school history class, back then, “arms” meant powder muskets, knives, and swords.

I would like for anyone, especially a card-carrying NRA member, to explain to me that someone like Ben Franklin somehow saw ahead in to the future to the advent of the Sig Sauer or even the M-16 and said “Yep! Those are arms that people should have the right to bear!”!

And no, I am not some bleeding heart nanny nation left-leaning liberal. I consider myself a Constitution defending conservative who is trying to appeal to common sense and reason here.

pilamaye on December 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

The high powered musket rifle was the semi-auto of it’s day.

First… the 2nd Amend. isn’t about hunting. It’s not about just protecting yourself from a home intruder. Well… I take that back. Yes, it is. What if that home intruder was your own government?

A Semi-auto is not a full auto. People need to know what is actually being discussed here. These semi-auto’s may look scary and military like… but they aren’t. They are one bullet per trigger pull. You can’t spray bullets like a full auto machine gun.. but that’s what the libs want you to think. Many traditional hunting rifles have more power than these scary looking assault rifles. A semi-auto is really nothing more than a fancy repeating rifle. They are not machine guns. They may look like it, but they aren’t. It is all just cosmetics.
There are even a lot of 22 rifles now that look like “assault weapons”… but they are just 22 rifles that have the cosmetics of a military rifle. But when some politician holds one up at a press conference and states “Who needs this to hunt?” But that weapon functions no differently than many hunting rifles… but it looks scary.

But here is the greater argument. There is no Utopia. It does not exist. It has never existed. It will never exist. It is a fact.. more people have died in history at the hands of their own government than have died in all the wars mankind has ever fought.
Man has a greater chance of being murdered by their own government than they do of being murdered in a school shooting or a shopping mall That is the fact! That is reality!

Are we to be free or are we to be slaves? Does the common man have as much right to defend their own homes as celebrities, the rich and the ruling class do?
One of the first things the early settlements did when they began turning indenture servants into slaves was to disallowed them from owning weapons.

This is the core of freedom. The right to private property. The right to defend yourself. The right to speak freely. the right to pursue your own happiness. The right to associate with who ever you want. The right to worship as you choose.

My front door, in a free nation secure in the rule of law, although it may be made of nothing more than straw and wood, should be as strong and secure as the mightiest gate made of iron in the largest mansion in America. And I, as a free man, although poor and uneducated, should be able to protect my home and family as easily as the most powerful of this nation protect theirs!

We elect Presidents. We do not appoint Emperors. They are just men and women like the rest of us.

JellyToast on December 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Can someone answer me one simple question?

Using a hunting rifle for hunting, I can see, though I mean hunting as in for food, not for trophy purposes.

Using a handgun for home protection, I can somewhat see, as long as the gun is licensed and registered and the owner has been trained in how to use it safely.

But short of being in the military on the battlefield, or guarding an embassy or something, what the hell does someone need a high powered assault rifle or a Glock that fires five rounds a second for?

I believe in protecting the rights the 2nd Amendment has to offer, but at the same time, I challenge anyone out there to tell me with a perfectly straight face that when it was written, the writers of the Constitution saw the coming of the incredible firepower we now have.

Unless I missed something in high school history class, back then, “arms” meant powder muskets, knives, and swords.

I would like for anyone, especially a card-carrying NRA member, to explain to me that someone like Ben Franklin somehow saw ahead in to the future to the advent of the Sig Sauer or even the M-16 and said “Yep! Those are arms that people should have the right to bear!”!

And no, I am not some bleeding heart nanny nation left-leaning liberal. I consider myself a Constitution defending conservative who is trying to appeal to common sense and reason here.

pilamaye on December 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

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JellyToast gives an excellent response above.

I’ll just repost an earlier comment of mine, because I think it helps.
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Years ago at my place of employment, I had put up a hand made poster that stated as follows:

The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not about the hobby/recreational/sporting uses of firearms. It is about the common American citizen being enabled to function as their own first-line of defense, against a tyrannical government, and common criminals.

listens2glenn on December 17, 2012 at 12:12 AM

listens2glenn on December 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM

….I would like for anyone, especially a card-carrying NRA member, to explain to me that someone like Ben Franklin somehow saw ahead in to the future to the advent of the Sig Sauer or even the M-16 and said “Yep! Those are arms that people should have the right to bear!”!

And no, I am not some bleeding heart nanny nation left-leaning liberal. I consider myself a Constitution defending conservative who is trying to appeal to common sense and reason here.

pilamaye on December 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

You’re either a liar or an idiot, for you are spouting EXACTLY the distortive rationales of the Leftist gun-grabbers.

The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to ensure that the citizens of the United States maintained the means to cast down a tyrannical government, by ensuring they maintained access to the arms necessary to do so. The 2nd Amendment is about killing tyrants. Is isn’t about sport, or hunting or single shot muskets. It is about being able to rebel against oppression. And that means maintaining access to small arms equivalent to or better than those of the tyrant’s minions. Which has already been massively infringed upon, in contravention to the clear meaning of the 2nd. And which means owning EXACTLY the sort of firearms you claim are not needed. It is NOT the ‘Bill of NEEDS’, you phony ‘conservative friend of the 2nd’.

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM

We elect Presidents. We do not appoint Emperors. They are just men and women like the rest of us.

JellyToast on December 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I’m glad I came back to check the QOTD. Excellent post.

BoxHead1 on December 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM

…NO!…they have tried English forever!..ROSETTA STONE ain’t working!…it is time to pull/rip out their tongues!

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 3:38 AM

You should know that I have pretty much the same attitude as you about trolls, and trollcotting. With that in mind, think about the possible coherent response leftards could have to what I said – that’s right, there is none! I know that they know this, too, which is one reason I brought it up i.e. it was just another way for me to bash them. :)

Anti-Control on December 17, 2012 at 2:02 PM

You’re either a liar or an idiot, for you are spouting EXACTLY the distortive rationales of the Leftist gun-grabbers.

The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to ensure that the citizens of the United States maintained the means to cast down a tyrannical government, by ensuring they maintained access to the arms necessary to do so. The 2nd Amendment is about killing tyrants. Is isn’t about sport, or hunting or single shot muskets. It is about being able to rebel against oppression. And that means maintaining access to small arms equivalent to or better than those of the tyrant’s minions. Which has already been massively infringed upon, in contravention to the clear meaning of the 2nd. And which means owning EXACTLY the sort of firearms you claim are not needed. It is NOT the ‘Bill of NEEDS’, you phony ‘conservative friend of the 2nd’.

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM

rayra, you are a psycho nutbag! You are also a certified jerk!

pilamaye on December 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM

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rayra, you are a psycho nutbag! You are also a certified jerk!

pilamaye on December 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM

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Hey ! … What about the rest of us?

listens2glenn on December 17, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Come on, pilamaye !

I keep coming back, and . . . . . . . nuthin’. (reminds me of Yukon Cornelius)

rayra‘s not the only one here. I demand equal recognition as regards criticism, name-calling, and the like.

Besides, I’m more of a “right-wing extremist” than rayra is.

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 12:09 AM

( S i g h )
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Fourteen and a half hours later . . . . . . . . . . . nuthin’
We’re about to lose this thread from the Main Page.

Oh well, I tried . . . . . . . . . . . ( S i g h … again)

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 2:55 PM

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