Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on December 15, 2012 by Allahpundit

The massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., bloodiest attack of its kind in the nation’s history, stands as a possible tipping point after Washington’s decade-long aversion even to talking about stricter gun laws…

It remains to be seen whether Sandy Hook will break the usual cycle of universal shock fading into political reality. That reality is based on a combination of powerful gun lobbying and public opinion, which has shifted against tougher gun control and stayed that way. However lawmakers react this time, it’s the president’s call whether the issue fades again or takes its place alongside the legacy-shaping initiatives of his time, with all the peril that could mean for his party…

One certainty in the weeks to come is that both parties in Washington will carefully watch public opinion on gun control and the Second Amendment, and whether any impact lasts. Opposition to stricter laws has proved resilient.

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[A]dvocates of gun control say the shootings at an elementary school in Newtown might be different for two reasons: the victims were children, eliciting a gut-wrenching response across the country, and the National Rifle Association proved to be a political paper tiger in the 2012 election.

“The political atmosphere has clearly changed because now we have solid evidence that the N.R.A. just was not effective in the last election cycle,” said Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control advocacy group. “This just has a feel that they won’t get away with doing nothing this time.”

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Pivotal players in any legislative action would be the half dozen Democratic senators up for re-election in 2014 who represent states that tend to be more protective of gun owners’ rights: Sen. Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota, and Sen. Mark Begich of Alaska…

Two other Democrats also crucial to any Senate action would be Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and senator-elect Joe Donnelly of Indiana…

Whether Obama decides that he wants to lead an effort to persuade Congress to enact new measures to limit access to guns may in part depend on how the public responds in the next week.

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Adam Lanza, the troubled nerd who turned a Connecticut school into a slaughterhouse, learned how to shoot under the watchful eye of his demanding mom Nancy.

“She said she would often go target shooting with her kids,” landscaper Dan Holmes said.

Nancy Lanza wound up being the first of her son’s 27 victims when he used one of her guns to shoot her dead.

Holmes, who often mowed the grass at the Lanza’s sprawling Newtown home, told Reuters the doomed mom was proud of her arsenal and once showed him a “high end rifle” she had just purchased.

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U.S. school districts have spent millions of dollars on metal detectors, security cameras and elaborate emergency-response plans since the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School, but almost nothing could have prevented Friday’s massacre at a Connecticut elementary school, security experts say…

Still, Bond said, there is no way for students and teachers to protect themselves when someone begins shooting with a weapon. He said even a security guard and locked doors could not have stopped the killer.

Without knowing the school’s security system, Kenneth Trump, president of consulting firm National School Safety and Security Services, stresses that schools need to be “looking for these lone wolf actors.”

“As a father, I would love to have a 100 percent guarantee that nothing bad will ever happen in my kids’ school, but as a rational school safety professional I know nobody can give me a 100 percent guarantee on safety,” said Trump.

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3) We must find a way to make it more difficult for the non-adjudicated mentally ill to come into possession of weapons. This is crucially important, but very difficult, because it would require the cooperation of the medical community — of psychiatrists, therapists, school counselors and the like — and the privacy issues (among other issues) are enormous. But: It has to be made more difficult for sociopaths, psychopaths and the otherwise violently mentally-ill (who, in total, make up a small portion of the mentally ill population) to buy weapons.

4) People should have the ability to defend themselves. Mass shootings take many lives in part because no one is firing back at the shooters. The shooters in recent massacres have had many minutes to complete their evil work, while their victims cower under desks or in closets. One response to the tragic reality that we are a gun-saturated country is to understand that law-abiding, well-trained, non-criminal, wholly sane citizens who are screened by the government have a role to play in their own self-defense, and in the defense of others (read The Atlantic article to see how one armed school administrator stopped a mass shooting in Pearl Mississippi). I don’t know anything more than anyone else about the shooting in Connecticut at the moment, but it seems fairly obvious that there was no one at or near the school who could have tried to fight back.

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Imagine that you ran a school district, and some rich foundation, worried about school shootings, gave you the following offer: We’ll hire armed security guards for you, who could try to do something about the school shooter. These aren’t going to be highly trained police officers, just typical security guards, given some modest training and subjected to basic background checks. It’s not like they’re highly skilled; security guards rarely are. But they have a basic understanding of how to shoot, and when to shoot…

But wait! The foundation has just learned that its investment portfolio has done very badly, and the grant doesn’t go through. But someone else suggests: Instead of hiring special-purpose security guards, why not take some of your existing employees — teachers, administrators, and the like — and offer them a deal: They’d go through some modest training and subjected to basic background checks, and in exchange they’d be given the right to carry the same guns that the security guards would have had…

Is there some reason why the armed security guard is safe and helpful, but the armed teacher, administrator, or staffer — er, the teacher with a volunteer security guard license — would be useless and a menace?

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The general decline in gun-related violence and the inability even of mental health professionals to identify future mass killers should be the essential starting points of any serious policy discussion generated by the absolutely horrific slaughter at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. We should also add a third starting point: Few good policies come from rapid responses to deeply felt injuries. Many of the same people who are now calling for immediate action with regard to gun control recognize that The Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, was a terrible piece of legislation that ultimately did nothing to protect Americans even as it vastly expanded the state’s ability to surveil law-abiding citizens. There’s no reason to think that federal, state, or local gun control laws promulgated now would result in anything different.

If hard cases make bad laws, it’s even more true that rare crimes make terrible public policy. In a piece for Quartz, journalist Lenore Skenazy recalls that the deadliest school massacre in U.S. history took place in Michigan in 1927, when a disgruntled school-board official blew up 38 people, including himself. She writes that the real difference between now and then is the immediacy of the media, which shrinks the distance between victims and the rest of us. Even as that allows us to have more empathy for the grieving, it creates the conditions for an overreaction that will ultimately be little more than symbolic

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Boycott all the Sunday shows tomorrow.

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Obama feeds on carrion.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 1:47 AM

Ennui?

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Too dark for that. :) Not in any hole, but the clouds are pretty dark. It’ll shake.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Nice tune..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 1:35 AM

I like this one a lot too – Karen rules!

Blue By Nature/Karen Lawrence – “Cadillac Blues”

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM

When I first read last week that H.R.Clinton had postponed and then cancelled her trip to the Middle East, sending and undersecretary in her stead, claiming a ‘stomach virus’ I suspected that it was simply a set up to, either, delay her testimony on Benghazi, or get out of testifying altogether.

A release from the State Department, released a couple of days later, claimed that she couldn’t testify by the December 20 deadline in any case because the internalinvestigation and subsequent report on what occurred in Benghazi wasn’t finished, wouldn’t be finished in time, and, in any case, she couldn’t possibly testify before she’d read that report and debriefed those who compiled the facts used in the report.

She is tap dancing and scrambling for excuses not to appear before the congressional committee. I believe that it’s because she’s terrified of winding up exactly like W.J. Clinton, before her, convicted of lying to congress.

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Vultures

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 1:52 AM

gh on December 16, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Excellent..That is primo picking..:)

PS..Who is the guy in the second video??..:)

PSS..Shout out to Fender..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Am I the only one who believes 0bama’s “tears” were fake? I mean, maybe they were real in the sense that they were a salty discharge from his tear ducts, but I can’t help but think that they were stimulated more by politics than emotion.

Sorry to be so cynical, but I just don’t think the guy has a sincere bone in his body. This is a guy who referred to the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi as “bumps in the road.”

Ugly on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

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Nope – I thought that right away.

gophergirl on December 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM

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That is the most disgraceful exhibition of cynicism I’ve ever been party to, in all my life.

Impugning the motives of our President, like that.

Both of you are as bad as that other commenter (what’s his name?), … oh yeah … listens2glenn.

listens2glenn on December 16, 2012 at 1:53 AM

Joyous and jubilant is called joybilant in my new language.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Sparkinese is very concise. And thus green, when you think about it. Takes less energy to print or transmit, and even less biochemical energy to speak.

Basically, a lurch forward for mankind. Like sweetened chocolate, or flushing toilets, or papyrus.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 1:53 AM

She is tap dancing and scrambling for excuses not to appear before the congressional committee. I believe that it’s because she’s terrified of winding up exactly like W.J. Clinton, before her, convicted of lying to congress.

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 1:51 AM

She’s as dumb as Obama at 3:00a.m’s phone call. Benghazi proved it.

May they both go to Hades. The world is run by charlatanic thugs.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Yes, it will, however it does distress me to know that you’re being assailed so. I hope it lifts soon.

Stay in the light.

It’s only GRAVITY

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 1:54 AM

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Oh yeah, she is obstructing justice.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2012 at 1:55 AM

I’ve had it with Morgan. That red coat needs to STFU and go back to England. The douchebag has become one the worst offenders when it comes to capitalizing on dead bodies to push his agenda.

jawkneemusic on December 16, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 1:53 AM

Axackly. That means exactly Axe, you are correct.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2012 at 1:58 AM

PS..Who is the guy in the second video??..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 1:52 AM

He won Guitar Idol in 2009. He’s really quite good. This is a really good jam with a couple of guys I’ve never heard of, plus his own band.

gh on December 16, 2012 at 1:59 AM

This is what needs to be done to the Left

The Kids of Widney High – “Throw Away The Trash”

Throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash
throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash

I pick up the trash
and throw it away
If i see a slob
I stop and say hey!

throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash
throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash

I wanna be proud
about my clean school
if someone throws trash
I pity the fool

throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash
throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash

I want a clean class
I want a clean classroom
I want a clean playground
I want a clean bathroom

throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash
throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash

throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash
throw away, throw away, throw away the trash
come on everybody, throw away the trash

throw away the trash
you throw away the trash
throw away the trash
the dream police

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 2:01 AM

PS..Who is the guy in the second video??..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 1:52 AM

No one knows. The mafia got hold of it and all we have left is the Zapruder film.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2012 at 2:02 AM

Slow Dancing In A Burning Room – Mayer

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Come dance with me, Axefellow. :)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:05 AM

Our country is burning… the progressives are being a “*itch”… when it’s over…we’ll still be dancing… and leaving them to cry.

What will we do? I’m going to keep dancing.:)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Good Evening ~ and G’night Hot Air!

Ugly on December 16, 2012 at 2:11 AM

gh on December 16, 2012 at 1:59 AM

That is awesome music..I could listen to that all night long..:)

PS..Thank you for the link..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Both of you are as bad as that other commenter (what’s his name?), … oh yeah … listens2glenn.

listens2glenn on December 16, 2012 at 1:53 AM

Heh…. I know you’re just getting caught up on reading the comments, but that original “cynical” comment was mine, not Ugly’s.

But…. glad to know I’m in good company! :-)

BTW, how come the smiley faces like this ^^^^^ appear as smileys in the “headlines” but here they only appear as punctuation marks?

UltimateBob on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Dreams To Remember – McClinton

Because it’s our dreams that sustain us when the world has gone dark and painful.

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Come dance with me, Axefellow. :)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:05 AM

:)

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 2:14 AM

SparkPlug on December 16, 2012 at 2:02 AM

LoLz..The guy “picks” a great guitar..:)

PS..Axeaclly is an awesome new word..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:14 AM

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:13 AM

+ 100..Just awesome..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Youtube is a good place to find new things … and old things that I missed when they were fresh. Listened to SRV play blues for the first time today. I’d only heard his hendrix covers before now. The blues stuff he plays is phenomenal. Also watched a 45 minute bio which was quite interesting.

Gotta sleep now … too old to be up so late.

gh on December 16, 2012 at 2:16 AM

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:15 AM

I know that tune is a favorite of yours, too. And we all need to keep our dreams close. :)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:17 AM

BTW, how come the smiley faces like this ^^^^^ appear as smileys in the “headlines” but here they only appear as punctuation marks?

UltimateBob on December 16, 2012 at 2:12 AM

God loves me very much and knows how much I hate graphical smilies. :)

I might have to go Japanese if they appear here. ^o^

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 2:17 AM

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 2:14 AM

:)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:17 AM

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Excellent..Nice tune..Nice band..Awesome voice..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Gotta sleep now … too old to be up so late.

gh on December 16, 2012 at 2:16 AM

Good night old person. :)

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 2:18 AM

gh on December 16, 2012 at 2:16 AM

The pleasure has been mine..Once again thank you for the links..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM

PS..Axeaclly is an awesome new word..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Spark compliment = Sparkliment?

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Send Me An Angel – Scorpions

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM

And we all need to keep our dreams close. :)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:17 AM

Amen..:):)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Dreamnation = Jackie and Dire philosophy :)

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 2:23 AM

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Let’s write Dear Abby..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:23 AM

LoLz..The guy “picks” a great guitar..:)

PS..Axeaclly is an awesome new word..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:14 AM

This guy really knows how to use his fingers, even when yo-yoing!

Jason Becker – Cacophony Solo

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 2:24 AM

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Very cool! Thank you, Schadenfreude. :)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:24 AM

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:23 AM

lol! That’s hysterical. Prine’s very good.:)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:28 AM

Excellent..Nice tune..Nice band..Awesome voice..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:18 AM

She’s really talented – she has the most versatile rock voice I’ve heard.

Let’s write Dear Abby..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:23 AM

That’s a good one. I like this by him – not illegal in WA and CO anymore, though. :)

Illegal Smile

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 2:29 AM

I Had A Dream – Moore

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Send Me An Angel – Scorpions

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM

I Believe in Angels

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 2:32 AM

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 2:32 AM

:)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:34 AM

That’s a good one. I like this by him – not illegal in WA and CO anymore, though. :)

Illegal Smile

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 2:29 AM

That is a classic..This is one of my many John Prine favs..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:41 AM

As The Years Go Passing By – Moore

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Cool..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:43 AM

:)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:34 AM

:)

This one seems appropriate, too

Chiquitita

Chiquitita, tell me what’s wrong
You’re enchained by your own sorrow
In your eyes there is no hope for tomorrow
How I hate to see you like this
There is no way you can deny it
I can see that you’re oh so sad, so quiet

Chiquitita, tell me the truth
I’m a shoulder you can cry on
Your best friend, I’m the one you must rely on
You were always sure of yourself
Now I see you’ve broken a feather
I hope we can patch it up together

Chiquitita, you and I know
How the heartaches come and they go and the scars they’re leaving
You’ll be dancing once again and the pain will end
You will have no time for grieving
Chiquitita, you and I cry
But the sun is still in the sky and shining above you
Let me hear you sing once more like you did before
Sing a new song, chiquitita
Try once more like you did before
Sing a new song, chiquitita

So the walls came tumbling down
And your love’s a blown out candle
All is gone and it seems too hard to handle
Chiquitita, tell me the truth
There is no way you can deny it
I see that you’re oh so sad, so quiet

Chiquitita, you and I know
How the heartaches come and they go and the scars they’re leaving
You’ll be dancing once again and the pain will end
You will have no time for grieving
Chiquitita, you and I cry
But the sun is still in the sky and shining above you
Let me hear you sing once more like you did before
Sing a new song, chiquitita
Try once more like you did before
Sing a new song, chiquitita
Try once more like you did before
Sing a new song, chiquitita

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Jackie……

KCB on December 16, 2012 at 2:50 AM

UltimateBob on December 16, 2012 at 1:37 AM

Just google “botach ripoff” and go from there.

Kenosha Kid on December 16, 2012 at 2:52 AM

Does anyone know where you can get a bipod that snaps in place on a AR bayonet lug? I’ve searched the interwebs. I can’t find one. Business opportunity for someone who could design and produce one.

wolly4321 on December 16, 2012 at 1:22 AM

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They don’t exist because a bipod attached to the barrel causes inconsistent changes in point of impact versus point of aim.

The barrel of any rifle actually oscillates as the bullet is moving through it. Attaching a bipod to the barrel affects the oscillation and changes where the bullet will impact significantly.

I prefer the Harris pivoting bipod in 9 – 13″ length but also use the Caldwell bipod of the same length with either being attached to the rail.

PolAgnostic on December 16, 2012 at 2:56 AM

KCB on December 16, 2012 at 2:50 AM

KEN! I just came back to the desk to turn off the computer and saw your post. It’s good to see you. I hope you’re well. :)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:57 AM

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 2:57 AM

I have XXX and OOO for UUU! Missed talking to you.

KCB on December 16, 2012 at 3:00 AM

KCB on December 16, 2012 at 3:00 AM

And a *kiss* and a *hug* for you, too! It’s very good to see you again, I was concerned since I hadn’t seen a post from you in so long. I’m afraid I won’t be able to stay and chat this evening since I’m very tired. I worked most of the day today. Still, wonderful to see you again. I hope you’ll come back to the QOTD late night more often, (and a little earlier, lol!).

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 3:05 AM

That song is very good, and an excellent choice, too, Anti-Control.

Goodnight, again, my friends. :)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Plan accordingly…

Seven Percent Solution on December 16, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Going to go poke around with a pen and see if I can use this blue to my (or someone else’s) advantage.

Good luck Spark = Glark?

I might stagger through in the little hours (i.e. midget hours) but please ignore it.

O! Today/Tomorrow (Sunday) is KJ’s 1,000th blog post, isn’t it? I think he said so. If so: http://kingsjester.wordpress.com/ — miss it not on pain of missing it, and I mean that, so don’t try me.

*poof*

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 3:09 AM

*unpoof*

Night Jackie.

*repoof*

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 3:10 AM

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2012 at 3:05 AM

Meet you here tomorrow night.

KCB on December 16, 2012 at 3:11 AM

That is a classic..This is one of my many John Prine favs..:)

Dire Straits on December 16, 2012 at 2:41 AM

He has a lot of good ones to choose from!

Here are 2 from Karen L. This one is straightforward rock (she was listening to Ann Wilson and/or Robert Plant beforehand I think!)

Radio Zone

This one is new-wavey – reminds me of David Bowie. It is a classic imo

Girls Night Out

I’ll add this for fun (it came up on autoplay)

Sing to Me

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 3:11 AM

I don’t have a lower rail. I don’t know if I buy it would throw off tragectory that much. It’s a 20″ heavy barrel. I’m not talking about 1,000 yard match. I guess I’m going to have to replace the barrel shroud. 4 rails. More options. Tac lights and my laser in a better place. That’s whats on the lug now. Halogen & laser. On the M4. I guess I could find another adapter. Piccany.

You really think it throws ballistics off that much? How is it that much different than a sandbag? Or any rest? The 20″ heavy barrel is well, heavy.

wolly4321 on December 16, 2012 at 3:52 AM

i gave to the brady center as an emergency feel-good measure and petitioned the white house to declare the nra a terrorist organization.

sesquipedalian

The Brady Center accepts EBT cards? Who knew?

xblade on December 16, 2012 at 3:53 AM

You really think it throws ballistics off that much? How is it that much different than a sandbag? Or any rest? The 20″ heavy barrel is well, heavy.

wolly4321 on December 16, 2012 at 3:52 AM

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At 100 yards it will add another 2 to 4 moa error on top of what your gun, the ammo and you are capable of doing … and it will be absolutely inconsistent because it will vary based on how you are loading the bipod with the force from your shoulder on the stock and how and where you place your left hand.

In practical terms, you might get a center mass hit at 100 yards but you are likely to completely miss at 300 yards.

Sandbags are placed beneath the rifle stock on the front and back of the rifle – never underneath the barrel.

A 20″ heavy barrel oscillates, it just doesn’t oscillate as much a pencil barrel. You should be able to find a lot of barrel oscillation videos on youtube.

My son has a Mini-14 Target. That model has a harmonic balancing weight you can move up and down the barrel to maximize the damping of the oscillation and “tune” the barrel to specific ammo.

PolAgnostic on December 16, 2012 at 4:30 AM

Another insipid distortion being practiced by the ignorant and manipulative media is the persistent referral to the ‘bushmaster rifle’ as “high powered”. The .223 or 5.56 cartridge is pretty damned near the BOTTOM of the centerfire bottle-necked rifle cartridge panoply. Its standard 55gr bullet loading generates about 1300 ft-lbs of energy. Quite similar in other bullet weights, lighter and heavier. In comparison the .308 generates ~2600, twice as much. What then to call the .308 or .30-06, ‘sooper high’?
And that’s the ‘normal’ cartridges. The .30-06 (and .308) have long been touted as sufficient cartridge to take ANY game in North America, including bear, moose and elk.
They there’s the rifle cartridges beyond the .30cal class, the ‘big bore’ cartridges, the ‘Magnums, Belted Magnums. .300, .338 Lapua, and on and on. The .338 generates ~4900 ft-lbs. Nearly 4x more energy than the .223. What to call it, ‘ultrahigh’? ‘doubleplushigh’?
.416 Weatherby – 6400 ft-lbs. FIVE times the .223.

So when some media-political hack cries ‘high powered [.223]‘, they are grossly distorting its placement in the range of rifle cartridges.

Frankly there is not a ‘term of art’ which the media uses in their coverage of firearms that ISN’T distortive or deliberately fear-raising. ‘machinegun’, ‘automatic’, ‘bullet hose’, High capacity clips (no, normal capacity), ‘cop killer bullet’ and their incessant reports of bullet proof vests, which almost always wind up being cordura – ‘ballistic nylon’ (BALLISTIC!!!1!!)

btw, pretty much EVERY regular / FMJ / spire-tipped rifle cartridge will zip right thru a soft kevlar ‘bullet proof’ vest. And a few pistol cartridges will too. They mostly only stop round nose or hollow point slower / lower energy pistol/revovler cartridges. Such soft vests often have ‘trauma plate’ inserts, steel or ceramic plates placed into pockets over the heart as extra protection against higher powered pistol and rifle cartridges.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 4:45 AM

They don’t exist because a bipod attached to the barrel causes inconsistent changes in point of impact versus point of aim.

The barrel of any rifle actually oscillates as the bullet is moving through it. Attaching a bipod to the barrel affects the oscillation and changes where the bullet will impact significantly.

I prefer the Harris pivoting bipod in 9 – 13″ length but also use the Caldwell bipod of the same length with either being attached to the rail.

PolAgnostic on December 16, 2012 at 2:56 AM

They DO exist, but mostly from cheaper brands. The quality companies eschew them for the reasons you listed. But Versapod markets a bayonet lug adapter.
http://stores.versapod.com/-strse-83/150-dsh-101-AR15-Bayonet-Lug/Detail.bok

Any AR design that has a standard front side base and gas system is compromised in the issue of barrel harmonics that you raise, so using a lug mounted or even a rail mounted bipod won’t matter much. Most shooters don’t shoot well enough for it to matter much anyway.
Although there are very accurate long range AR variants, but the barrels are typically heavier, thicker, and ‘free floated’ with a handguard that doesn’t impinge on the barrel. With any bipod mounted to the handguard or shielding rail assembly.
But the better method IMAO is to use a pack or something similar as an improvised rest, learning that technique will serve you well when hunting or shooting in field conditions.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 4:56 AM

You really think it throws ballistics off that much? How is it that much different than a sandbag? Or any rest? The 20″ heavy barrel is well, heavy.

wolly4321 on December 16, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Exercise. :) The rifle can’t weigh more than ~9.5 lbs. Don’t let it kick your butt. But your answer is in my preceding post. The difference with the bag is you aren’t restricting the barrel motion as much. But if you’ve got a standard handguard arrangement where they are held near teh front of the barrel, at stock front sight base (with bayonet lug), your barrel already is being heavily interfered with. Relatively speaking from a benchrest purist’s or wonk’s perspective. Not from mine. The Marine Corps taught me to shoot an M16A2 quite accurately out to 500meters. Using iron sights. So I wouldn’t be the least bit concerned about a bipod interfering. Especially if you think the rifle is too heavy to hold up, already. If anythign the bipod will help you greatly. But try to learn how to shoot it accurately without it or optics, first. The basic marksmanship skills you master in doing that will serve you very well in every other type of shooting you do. Work as hard at laying that groundwork as the leftists do laying theirs in their attempt to take these rifles from us.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 5:03 AM

We used to put folks like Lanza in institutions known as Training Schools or Asylums. They were under constant supervision and well medicated. Yes, there were many horror stories emerging from those institutions. The left has seized upon this tragedy to push for the banning of firearms in private hands. The very reason that is in the Constitution as a right is to give the government something to think about. Our founders distrusted government. They had seen too many of their peers prosecuted for being of the wrong faith, political belief, or what have you.This president, especially, has shown a propensity to restrict personal freedoms.
The shooters in the Colorado, Arizona, and this case all share the same profile. Mentally unstable, highly intelligent, autistic, not able to adjust to society and living in a fantasy world. These are the people that must be addressed, identified, and separated from society. For God’s sake, if you have someone in your home that fits this description and own a gun, keep it locked up and out of sight & make sure your loved one takes his/her meds.

Boats48 on December 16, 2012 at 5:33 AM

“Ban Insane people, guns, cars and Subway trains”

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 5:58 AM

“Ban Insane people, guns, cars and Subway trains”

Bob Costas on December 16, 2012 at 5:58 AM

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 5:59 AM

Happy Merry Christmas Holidays, Kwanza, Honukkah and Festivus! I’ve already got my steel pole set up.

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:03 AM

Ban handles named slade :D
verrry verrrry dangerous

bazil9 on December 16, 2012 at 6:03 AM

why do liberals think semi automatics are dangerous. Virtually every pistol is semi automatic, unless it’s a deringer – thus having the stopping power of a spitball from a straw.

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:09 AM

bazil9 on December 16, 2012 at 6:03 AM

that makes me sad :( okay, not really :)

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:10 AM

you’re up early!

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:11 AM

you’re up early!

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:11 AM

I know! lol…the new B9-early to bed-early to rise.
:) Fell asleep at 7 last night..
exhausted..packing for moving ect..

Up doing some last minuet online shopping-checking news too-with
caffeine in hand.

Liberals play off peoples emotions-don’t
diagnosis the real issue at hand. The tyrants know this
and use it as a political tool…when convenient to their “cause”.

bazil9 on December 16, 2012 at 6:17 AM

Liberals think failed laws are just an opportunity to legislate a “better failed law”

Liberals also take advantage of tragedies with the speed of light. I still remember Obama doing shout outs in his speech after Tuscon.

Good luck with your last minute shopping! My last minute is usually the day before Christmas!

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:24 AM

Ban handles named slade :D
verrry verrrry dangerous

bazil9 on December 16, 2012 at 6:03 AM

Lourdes thinks I’m dangerous anyway. They hate me

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:27 AM

4) People should have the ability to defend themselves. Mass shootings take many lives in part because no one is firing back at the shooters. The shooters in recent massacres have had many minutes to complete their evil work, while their victims cower under desks or in closets. One response to the tragic reality that we are a gun-saturated country is to understand that law-abiding, well-trained, non-criminal, wholly sane citizens who are screened by the government have a role to play in their own self-defense, and in the defense of others (read The Atlantic article to see how one armed school administrator stopped a mass shooting in Pearl Mississippi). I don’t know anything more than anyone else about the shooting in Connecticut at the moment, but it seems fairly obvious that there was no one at or near the school who could have tried to fight back.

DITTO.

Lourdes on December 16, 2012 at 6:28 AM

How dare I support the gaighs

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:28 AM

Lourdes thinks I’m dangerous anyway. They hate me

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:27 AM

Oh? Maybe if you keep asserting that you read minds, I just might think such.

Lourdes on December 16, 2012 at 6:28 AM

just in time.

What up Lourdes! Libertarians are libs. Good little libbies.

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:29 AM

Ban handles named slade :D
verrry verrrry dangerous

bazil9 on December 16, 2012 at 6:03 AM

Lourdes thinks I’m dangerous anyway. They hate me

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:27 AM

Maybe it’s yourself you ‘hate’, Slade. Think about it.

Lourdes on December 16, 2012 at 6:30 AM

I do read minds – atleast minds of hardcore SoCons who prefer small tents

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:31 AM

Oh, I do hate myself. I consider it far better than narcissistic SoCon bloviators.

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:33 AM

Where’s my Bazil! I’m making PaSghetti sauce

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:34 AM

I do read minds – atleast minds of hardcore SoCons who prefer small tents

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:31 AM

You’re a fearful person. Delusional state of mind: fear induced false reality, need to possess “special powers”…it’s caused by self-loathing or otherwise, lack of self-acceptance or self-forgiveness, projected onto some vast generality such as you deem, for example, “hardcore SoCons.”

You’d do yourself and society a favor if you devoted some time and resources to getting to whatever it is that’s causing you so much turmoil.

Lourdes on December 16, 2012 at 6:36 AM

Hey Baz! I quit smoking! (sorta) I’m on to E-Cigs. There’re just nicotene and water vapor, and I don’t think I need to worry about birth defects if I get pregnant. Yeaaaaay!

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:39 AM

When the results of their failed social policies, their lack of solid moral values, their abandonment of God and their numerous hedonistic agendas come home to roost, they always attempt to pin blame on some inanimate object. Don’t believe their garbage, it’s the mind set and conscience of the country that must be changed . . . not the caliber of a gun.

rplat on December 16, 2012 at 6:39 AM

You’re a fearful person.

Lourdes on December 16, 2012 at 6:36 AM

maybe, but not of you Lourdes. Your opinions are cookie cutter Statist Big Religion crap-ola. And although I hate myself, I’m still smarter than you and at least half the posters here.

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:42 AM

they always attempt to pin blame on some inanimate object.

rplat on December 16, 2012 at 6:39 AM

like guns, Christmas Trees, Hot Dogs for school lunches, Soda Pop, Lucky Charms………

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:46 AM

oh Geez Lourdes

you give up so easily

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 6:52 AM

“Conservatism is the bestest! Except when it doesn’t live up to my Statist hate of Marijuana, and my moralistic tendencies”
- Lourdes

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 7:07 AM

“Conservatism means Amnesty for 12000000 Dems”
- Ed Morissey

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 7:09 AM

awwwwwwwwwwwww :(

I miss Bazil9

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 7:10 AM

It very much disturbs me that Ryan Lanza was in mortal danger for many hours until the press finally got the culprit in the Sandy Hook tragedy. His younger brother Adam!

The press is disgusting. It’s either the Tea Party (Brian Ross) or some other dupe. Rush to judgement! Must shill for gun control!

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 7:16 AM

crawl out of the hole of your embarrassment Lourdes. You obviously can’t match my slightly above average intellect, but you can try! Practice makes perfect.

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Why do you compare yourself to the Jesus Lourdes? I mean, come on! Lourdes? Did you think no one would notice you think you’re our savior minus the u e and s?

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 7:20 AM

please don’t stalk me either Lourdes. You seem the type to take interweb insults seriously. All in good fun. Just thought you might toss some zingers my way too.

Slade73 on December 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM

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