Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on December 15, 2012 by Allahpundit

The massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., bloodiest attack of its kind in the nation’s history, stands as a possible tipping point after Washington’s decade-long aversion even to talking about stricter gun laws…

It remains to be seen whether Sandy Hook will break the usual cycle of universal shock fading into political reality. That reality is based on a combination of powerful gun lobbying and public opinion, which has shifted against tougher gun control and stayed that way. However lawmakers react this time, it’s the president’s call whether the issue fades again or takes its place alongside the legacy-shaping initiatives of his time, with all the peril that could mean for his party…

One certainty in the weeks to come is that both parties in Washington will carefully watch public opinion on gun control and the Second Amendment, and whether any impact lasts. Opposition to stricter laws has proved resilient.

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[A]dvocates of gun control say the shootings at an elementary school in Newtown might be different for two reasons: the victims were children, eliciting a gut-wrenching response across the country, and the National Rifle Association proved to be a political paper tiger in the 2012 election.

“The political atmosphere has clearly changed because now we have solid evidence that the N.R.A. just was not effective in the last election cycle,” said Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control advocacy group. “This just has a feel that they won’t get away with doing nothing this time.”

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Pivotal players in any legislative action would be the half dozen Democratic senators up for re-election in 2014 who represent states that tend to be more protective of gun owners’ rights: Sen. Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota, and Sen. Mark Begich of Alaska…

Two other Democrats also crucial to any Senate action would be Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and senator-elect Joe Donnelly of Indiana…

Whether Obama decides that he wants to lead an effort to persuade Congress to enact new measures to limit access to guns may in part depend on how the public responds in the next week.

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Adam Lanza, the troubled nerd who turned a Connecticut school into a slaughterhouse, learned how to shoot under the watchful eye of his demanding mom Nancy.

“She said she would often go target shooting with her kids,” landscaper Dan Holmes said.

Nancy Lanza wound up being the first of her son’s 27 victims when he used one of her guns to shoot her dead.

Holmes, who often mowed the grass at the Lanza’s sprawling Newtown home, told Reuters the doomed mom was proud of her arsenal and once showed him a “high end rifle” she had just purchased.

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U.S. school districts have spent millions of dollars on metal detectors, security cameras and elaborate emergency-response plans since the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School, but almost nothing could have prevented Friday’s massacre at a Connecticut elementary school, security experts say…

Still, Bond said, there is no way for students and teachers to protect themselves when someone begins shooting with a weapon. He said even a security guard and locked doors could not have stopped the killer.

Without knowing the school’s security system, Kenneth Trump, president of consulting firm National School Safety and Security Services, stresses that schools need to be “looking for these lone wolf actors.”

“As a father, I would love to have a 100 percent guarantee that nothing bad will ever happen in my kids’ school, but as a rational school safety professional I know nobody can give me a 100 percent guarantee on safety,” said Trump.

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3) We must find a way to make it more difficult for the non-adjudicated mentally ill to come into possession of weapons. This is crucially important, but very difficult, because it would require the cooperation of the medical community — of psychiatrists, therapists, school counselors and the like — and the privacy issues (among other issues) are enormous. But: It has to be made more difficult for sociopaths, psychopaths and the otherwise violently mentally-ill (who, in total, make up a small portion of the mentally ill population) to buy weapons.

4) People should have the ability to defend themselves. Mass shootings take many lives in part because no one is firing back at the shooters. The shooters in recent massacres have had many minutes to complete their evil work, while their victims cower under desks or in closets. One response to the tragic reality that we are a gun-saturated country is to understand that law-abiding, well-trained, non-criminal, wholly sane citizens who are screened by the government have a role to play in their own self-defense, and in the defense of others (read The Atlantic article to see how one armed school administrator stopped a mass shooting in Pearl Mississippi). I don’t know anything more than anyone else about the shooting in Connecticut at the moment, but it seems fairly obvious that there was no one at or near the school who could have tried to fight back.

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Imagine that you ran a school district, and some rich foundation, worried about school shootings, gave you the following offer: We’ll hire armed security guards for you, who could try to do something about the school shooter. These aren’t going to be highly trained police officers, just typical security guards, given some modest training and subjected to basic background checks. It’s not like they’re highly skilled; security guards rarely are. But they have a basic understanding of how to shoot, and when to shoot…

But wait! The foundation has just learned that its investment portfolio has done very badly, and the grant doesn’t go through. But someone else suggests: Instead of hiring special-purpose security guards, why not take some of your existing employees — teachers, administrators, and the like — and offer them a deal: They’d go through some modest training and subjected to basic background checks, and in exchange they’d be given the right to carry the same guns that the security guards would have had…

Is there some reason why the armed security guard is safe and helpful, but the armed teacher, administrator, or staffer — er, the teacher with a volunteer security guard license — would be useless and a menace?

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The general decline in gun-related violence and the inability even of mental health professionals to identify future mass killers should be the essential starting points of any serious policy discussion generated by the absolutely horrific slaughter at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. We should also add a third starting point: Few good policies come from rapid responses to deeply felt injuries. Many of the same people who are now calling for immediate action with regard to gun control recognize that The Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, was a terrible piece of legislation that ultimately did nothing to protect Americans even as it vastly expanded the state’s ability to surveil law-abiding citizens. There’s no reason to think that federal, state, or local gun control laws promulgated now would result in anything different.

If hard cases make bad laws, it’s even more true that rare crimes make terrible public policy. In a piece for Quartz, journalist Lenore Skenazy recalls that the deadliest school massacre in U.S. history took place in Michigan in 1927, when a disgruntled school-board official blew up 38 people, including himself. She writes that the real difference between now and then is the immediacy of the media, which shrinks the distance between victims and the rest of us. Even as that allows us to have more empathy for the grieving, it creates the conditions for an overreaction that will ultimately be little more than symbolic

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Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Hi Jaaxe,

That’s my new language. It means Hi Jackie and Axe.

The cool thing about the language is that it doesn’t have a dictionary. It doesn’t need one, you can almost guess what the words mean. Moast of them are English.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Highjinx from sparkplug…

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 10:49 PM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Good evening, SWalker. Great to see you.

Yes. I think the display, and it’s underlying motivations, are quite sad.

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I’ll have to excuse myself briefly my friends. I’ll return shortly. See you soon.

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Holy crap! I’ve been lookin’ for that tune for years online.

I converted both albums for napster a long time ago.

Thanks!

Though I still prefer the studio version.

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 10:46 PM

You’re welcome – I saw you make a post about that song awhile back.

Both versions are great, can’t go wrong either way!

Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 10:47 PM

One problem with the language is that it is so similar to english that many people think there are typos when in fact I’m speaking Sparkinese.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Good evening, SWalker. Great to see you.

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 10:49 PM

HA has video forum and nobody told me?

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

There is NOTHING sadder than tiny caskets. I pray for the families. My favorite aunt and my cousin were killed going home from our family Thanksgiving dinner. My uncle was shot too. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever been through. Watching him put his son in the casket at the funeral home and kiss his wife, my aunt goodbye.

That’s why I carry, sesquach. Get it?

wolly4321 on December 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Video interview of the CCW holder from teh Portland mall shooting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD52IxplEoM&feature=player_embedded

rayra on December 15, 2012 at 10:52 PM

It was a long time ago. I just read my post and wanted to clarify.

wolly4321 on December 15, 2012 at 10:55 PM

O/T Has nothing been said/written about Hillary’s recent fall and concussion and how it will clinch her not appearing before the Congressional committee?

How many times has this woman fallen already? Will her concussion affect her memory of the Benghazi events?

onlineanalyst on December 15, 2012 at 10:40 PM

.
Rest assured she will keep having whatever number of “accidents” are necessary to insure she remains unavailable to testify.

Obama 2.0 – No Limits

PolAgnostic on December 15, 2012 at 10:56 PM

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Your firewall is prolly blocking the video. Did you download the new HotAir app?

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 10:56 PM

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 10:49 PM

HA has video forum and nobody told me?

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

It’s only for certain people… o_O

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 10:56 PM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Are y’all ready for cozmo without pants?

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 10:59 PM

You really want your heart broken, follow the Drudge link to see memorials to some of the victims. Even reading about the adults is tough, but the father giving a short presser about his little 6 year old daughter….man, I can be a stone-hearted SOB from time to time but that made me outright cry.

Bishop on December 15, 2012 at 11:00 PM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I bet Cozmo has a malformed boot loader config string in his static ip sub domain mask host.

Will send Axe right over to fix it.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

clearly not stringent enough if that woman was able to keep an arsenal at home, accessible to her nutter son.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM

You’re so insightful. The world would be such a perfect place if no one at all had guns. Or knives or steel knitting needles, or pillows (for suffocating) for that matter. But, answer me this, sport, if you outlaw all guns and other instruments of death, would this guarantee that none of these would ever, ever find their way into the hands of evil doers? Would you guarantee that in your perfect little world, your Utopia, that no one would die at the hands of another? Would you also guarantee that the governments in your perfect little world would never use the same kind of weapons to control their citizens?

I don’t expect a logical reply, as that is beyond your reach.

TXUS on December 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 10:56 PM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Are y’all ready for cozmo without pants?

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Most decidedly not…

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:02 PM

squeakypedophilian’s favorite song.

predator on December 15, 2012 at 10:47 PM

I can believe that, but I thought this was, which sesquipedalian watches thinking about the song being about her. Yes, that is sesquipedalian in the video appearing at 0:47 seconds!

you are an idiot!

Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 11:02 PM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I bet Cozmo has a malformed boot loader config string in his static ip sub domain mask host.

Will send Axe right over to fix it.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH…………….. Axe is soooo going to steal your bicycle for that… ;p

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Murder is a crime.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Murder is a crime.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM

But is it a crime-crime…

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM

How come Democrats always start screaming for gun control after a bunch of white people get killed? More blacks get shot dead weekly than the number that dies in CT. Why are Democrats so racist?

The Notorious G.O.P on December 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Straight to HeII boy.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Geraldo just referred to O as the ‘Healer in Chief’ on Huckabees show (and yeah I know, its a rebroadcast from a few hours ago).

Ugly on December 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM

It might surprise some of you that I agree on all this “gun control” nonsense that has come to light after the horrific events in Newton, CT…

… But we have to set standards.

Those in power, before they can write the legislation have to pass a MMPI-2 test…

… and the results have to be made public.

And if they fail, they have to leave office…

… That includes every member of the House, Senate, the President of the United States, every Department Secretary, and every Czar.

Put up or shut up, it’s a simple test, just like testifying before Congress on Benghazi or ‘Fast and Furious’…

… If you become “sick“, we will wait.

Seven Percent Solution on December 15, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Guns.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Geraldo just referred to O as the ‘Healer in Chief’ on Huckabees show (and yeah I know, its a rebroadcast from a few hours ago).

Ugly on December 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM

That is so wrong, words fail me! It’s gives me a Lewinski-Clinton image…

Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM

I don’t like Mondays.

~ Boomtown Rats

Ugly on December 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Good evening!!..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

It leads me to wonder what it could be that motivates them, other than a desperate need for attention and the desire to try to inflict their own very obvious personal misery on others.

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 10:43 PM

The same sort of screwed up crosswired drug addled mentalities as these cowardly murderers we’ve been discussing. ‘Oppositional defiant disorder’. Schizoid. Never been spanked. No respect for authority. Steeped in anti-what-ever-you-got. Malignant Narcissism. Self-reverential onanism. Petty little tyrants. Lilliputian jackals with no souls, trying to drag down their more-mentally-healthy betters. Indoctrinated to be rabidly anti-theist anarcho-socialists.

rayra on December 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Geraldo just referred to O as the ‘Healer in Chief’ on Huckabees show (and yeah I know, its a rebroadcast from a few hours ago).

Ugly on December 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM

That is so wrong, words fail me! It’s gives me a Lewinski-Clinton image…

Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Geraldo is an imbecile, the kind that goes into combat and tells the enemy where he and the troops he is with are at and what they are planning to do.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Murder is a crime.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM

But, then why would that psycho kill all those people? If murder is already a crime and he did that, but if guns were outlawed, he would have said, “screw this, I don’t want to break the law?”

/Yeah, libs are really that stupid.

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

clearly not stringent enough if that woman was able to keep an arsenal at home, accessible to her nutter son.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM

That was not an arsenal..

And btw, back in 1927 a man named Kehoe killed 38 people and injured 58 people in the worst school massacre in American history…and he did not use a gun. When evil people want to do harm, they find a way. If you make it hard to get a gun, they will steal one or find some other weapon.

In Switzerland there is a very high rate of gun ownership due to the militia requirements there…and yet they have a low crime rate. Russia on the other hand has very strict gun laws and a very high murder/suicide rate. Maybe it is a cultural problem more than a weapon problem.

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

rayra on December 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

And those are the closest to redeeming qualities that they have.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Geraldo is an imbecile, the kind that goes into combat and tells the enemy where he and the troops he is with are at and what they are planning to do.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

That is true. I can not imagine that anyone listens to him. I do think Obama was effected by the killings, who wasn’t? But he can not even come up with a budget, much less heal the nation.

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Maybe it is a cultural problem more than a weapon problem.

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

+ 100..I think you are hitting on something..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Geraldo is an imbecile, the kind that goes into combat and tells the enemy where he and the troops he is with are at and what they are planning to do.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

+ 100..Could not agree more..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Good evening!!..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Hi!

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

He has gotten to be so hard to even listen to..He should just retire.

KCB on December 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Oh, Hi.

KCB on December 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Clampdown.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 11:30 PM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

He has gotten to be so hard to even listen to..He should just retire.

KCB on December 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

For the life of me I cannot figure out why anyone would risk the hit to their reputation by having him on their show.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Oh, Hi.

KCB on December 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Oh Hi, or Ohio? o_O

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Obama administration, Congress quietly let school security funds lapse.
http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure

rayra on December 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Good evening!!..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Hello.

I don’t like Mondays.

~ Boomtown Rats

Ugly on December 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

The story/person behind that song is even sicker than what just happened in CT, I think. Ugh.

Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 11:32 PM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:30 PM

He is the worst person on Fox, including Beckel or Colmes. He has this holier than thou thing going on. Arrogance multiplied.

KCB on December 15, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Restart.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 11:33 PM

…Government officials told the Washington Guardian on Friday night that two Justice Department programs that had provided more than $200 million to schools for training, security equipment and police resources over the last decade weren’t renewed in 2011 and 2012, and that a separate program that provided $800 million to put police officers inside the schools was ended a few years earlier.

Meanwhile, the administration eliminated funding in 2011-12 for a separate Education Department program that gave money to schools to prepare for mass tragedies, the officials said.

A nationally recognized school security expert said those funds had been critical for years in helping schools continue to enhance protections against growing threats of violence. But they simply dried up with little notice as the Columbine and Virginia Tech school shooting tragedies faded from memory and many Americans and political leaders had their attentions diverted to elections, a weak economy and overseas dramas.

Fast & Furious II, Domestic Edition. The Blood Must Flow, so totalitarian-socialists can ratchet down on American rights and liberties.

rayra on December 15, 2012 at 11:33 PM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Just Hi. Or Oiho? Hi Oiho?

KCB on December 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM

It’s a crime — Sade.

TXUS on December 15, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

God Bless that teacher who saved those students by giving her life. Those kids will never forget her and what she did for them.

gophergirl on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Geraldo is an imbecile, the kind that goes into combat and tells the enemy where he and the troops he is with are at and what they are planning to do.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Paraphrasing what he said, here, talking to Huck:

“When the Healer in Chief arrives here tomorrow…”

Geraldo is in Newtown, so. I dunno. Seemed like a Freudian slip, but Huck didn’t bat an eye. What a circus. This thread is the first I’ve commented in re this tragedy. And I have Geraldo to blame. I’m sure video will surface.

Ugly on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Geraldo is an imbecile, the kind that goes into combat and tells the enemy where he and the troops he is with are at and what they are planning to do.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM

I know.

He’s like McCain for me – I find a lot to like, but the things I dislike overshadow the rest.

Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Try this out..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I bet Cozmo has a malformed boot loader config string in his static ip sub domain mask host.

Will send Axe right over to fix it.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

I don’t how cozmo got his bootloader stuck in his mask; I don’t wanno know how cozmo got his bootloader stuck in his mask; I’m not pulling cozmo’s bootloader from cozmo’s mask. :)

Sorry, She.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 11:39 PM

The story/person behind that song is even sicker than what just happened in CT, I think. Ugh.

Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 11:32 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Don't_Like_Mondays

Similar sickness, fewer victims. She lived to explain.

Ugly on December 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

God Bless that teacher who saved those students by giving her life. Those kids will never forget her and what she did for them.

gophergirl on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

No, they will never forget.

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Hi!

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Hi! I answered your “let it burn” concern the other night, but you were gone already. It still holds.

predator on December 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

100 quatloos on the new comer

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Whoa..

Time got away with me..

Missed QOTD.

I was deeply involved in a first person shot em video game..

Electrongod on December 15, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Hi!

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Hi! I answered your “let it burn” concern the other night, but you were gone already. It still holds.

predator on December 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I guess my opinion still holds as well.I just think it would be a bad idea..and Hi to you too!

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Restart.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Regroup.

Reload.

Repel.

Reject.

Re-post!

predator on December 15, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 11:39 PM

BWAAHHHH. All this time I thought Cozzy was a guy. No wonder twerp can beat her up wraslin’

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Thanks to HIPPA and the over the top privacy laws as well as the difficulties in locking up crazy people, we have a lot more of these kind of people in society today. There was a time when this young man would probably have been in an institution.

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:44 PM

My Christmas shopping is done! My Christmas shopping is done!

Feels dang good :)

gophergirl on December 15, 2012 at 11:45 PM

The story/person behind that song is even sicker than what just happened in CT, I think. Ugh.

Anti-Control on December 15, 2012 at 11:32 PM

That incident took place where I lived back then. Something like 4 or 5 miles away from me. Yes, she was a very disturbed young woman. Brenda Ann Spencer, who was 16 at the time went on a shooting spree that killed 2 adults, wounded a police officer and eight elementary school children.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:45 PM

My Christmas shopping is done! My Christmas shopping is done!

Feels dang good :)

gophergirl on December 15, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Mine was done a month ago. *not that I’m gloating or anything*

predator on December 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

gophergirl on December 15, 2012 at 11:45 PM

You don’t have to wrap my gift. (:

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I’m not sure that any of the proposed gun controls that people have been discussing of late – ban of semi-automatic weapons, or mental health checks, waiting periods and background checks would have helped in this case. Even if you had done a mental background check on the mother’s entire family – nothing would have come up. This guy was known as a loner, but he was never diagnosed nor committed – so most likely his mother would have passed a background check that included family members.

My personal opinion is that most of these mass shootings have one thing in common – loner kids who somehow got through the system, but were widely recognized as having problems. To me, this just speaks again of the failure of our current public school system. Currently, most school “counselors” are former teachers, administrators or PE teachers who moved on to a better paying position. They aren’t “counselors” in the sense of psychiatric counselors – they are, for all intents and purposes, guidance counselors who advise kids on whether or not they should apply to college and what college to apply to. In most cases, they are by and large worthless for spotting troubled kids – and, in my opinion, worthless at “beginners career counseling” (which is what they really are) as well. The positions should be eliminated and a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist should be paid with that money to perform psych evaluations on troubled children. If enough people see these types of troubled signs, then the psychologist would discreetly ask the kid to come in and start doing some real counseling – and flag the kid if there are indications of trouble.

studentofhistory on December 15, 2012 at 11:48 PM

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:49 PM

God Bless that teacher who saved those students by giving her life. Those kids will never forget her and what she did for them.

gophergirl on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

To quote Jesus Christ, “No greater love hath any man, than he lay down his life for a another”.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:49 PM

b9 is naked. Now B9 has clothes on.

b9 naked
B9 clothes

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:50 PM

My Christmas shopping is done! My Christmas shopping is done!

Feels dang good :)

gophergirl on December 15, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Mine was done a month ago. *not that I’m gloating or anything*

predator on December 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I haven’t even got started..But I am fixing to kick it into gear..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:50 PM

b9 is naked. Now B9 has clothes on.

b9 naked
B9 clothes

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:50 PM

B9 is going to slap the spark right out of your plug for you showing nakid pictures of her… ;p

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:51 PM

I haven’t even got started..But I am fixing to kick it into gear..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Hmmm. You seem to be way behind in this race, a late closer. You better hustle, or the early speed will beat you. ;)

predator on December 15, 2012 at 11:53 PM

studentofhistory on December 15, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Wasn’t one of the Columbine High shooting pretty normal or mainstream?..:)

PS..But they both gave warning signs for sure..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:53 PM

predator on December 15, 2012 at 11:53 PM

lolz..Saving some for the “clubhouse turn”..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:55 PM

i think we’ll be hearing more stories like this

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html?m=1

i’ve heard stories like that before…very scary. Need a shrink to tell us the real stories.

about parents and their disturbed sons…

r keller on December 15, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Electrongod on December 15, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Those memory hog aps I’ve been running for the last several days had all 16 gigs of ram tied up. Had to purge the beast.

Evening Dire! ; )

predator!!!

Bmore on December 16, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Much quicker now. : )

Bmore on December 16, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Mine was done a month ago. *not that I’m gloating or anything*

predator on December 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I wish I could get organized enough to do that. I did start in November this year though. That’s a record for me.

gophergirl on December 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

You’d think the schools are near ghost-towns, with no one around a big classroom/church, with no one in ear-shot of gunfire. These people are allowed to enter, finish their work at their leisure, and then decide if they want to murder themselves.

I just want to repeat a call for securing the facilities themselves. Even if we are a progressive society where no one has guns but cops and mass murderers, and no one is allowed to interfere with mass murderers but cops, we might be moving into a time of renewed violence, and the places we store our kids can have a few inconveniences in their structure that protects kids from the people who want to kill them — like terrorists.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

predator!!!

Bmore on December 16, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Bmore! Great to see you here again!

predator on December 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

You don’t have to wrap my gift. (:

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

It’s at least got to have a big bow :)

gophergirl on December 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

I do think Obama was effected by the killings, who wasn’t? But he can not even come up with a budget, much less heal the nation.

Terrye on December 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Am I the only one who believes 0bama’s “tears” were fake? I mean, maybe they were real in the sense that they were a salty discharge from his tear ducts, but I can’t help but think that they were stimulated more by politics than emotion.

Sorry to be so cynical, but I just don’t think the guy has a sincere bone in his body. This is a guy who referred to the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi as “bumps in the road.”

And, don’t forget this:

“When [Obama] came over to our little area” at Andrew Air Force Base, says Woods, “he kind of just mumbled, you know, ‘I’m sorry.’ His face was looking at me, but his eyes were looking over my shoulder like he could not look me in the eye. And it was not a sincere, ‘I’m really sorry, you know, that your son died,’ but it was totally insincere, more of whining type, ‘I’m sorry.’ Woods says that shaking President Obama’s hands at his son’s memorial service was “like shaking hands with a dead fish.”

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This thread is the first I’ve commented in re this tragedy. And I have Geraldo to blame.

Ugly on December 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

This is my first comment on this tragedy too, and for me, SleazeBama is to blame.

UltimateBob on December 16, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:53 PM

If I recall correctly, the Columbine High kids were known as fairly normal until about a year before the shooting when they took a turn for the worse in terms of increasing isolation, a taste for rather violent music and video games and a tendency to post rather bitter and violence-oriented messages on the Internet (I can’t remember if it was MySpace at the time or what). I think a professional psychologist probably would have spotted the signs. It’s interesting in that often parents, family and friends are told to watch for these type of drastic mood, dress and attitude changes as signs of depression or mental illness – in adults as well as teenagers. Yet, these type of increasing displays in all of these young men don’t get the attention they need until it is too late. I think we sometimes, in a desire to not demand conformity, tend overlook unhealthy abnormality as just a phase, or another way of “expressing” oneself. Parents in the US have really been trained not to question their childs activities, attitudes, likes and dislikes – lest they be seen as judgmental. The same with teachers and administrators. Yet, the patterns keep repeating themselves in these young men and we need to be stepping in whether we are seen as “judgmental,” “uncool” or whatever.

studentofhistory on December 16, 2012 at 12:04 AM

To quote Jesus Christ, “No greater love hath any man, than he lay down his life for a another”.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Stories like this that come out of such a tragedy always warm my heart. Reinforces my belief in the goodness of people.

The principal too. Man if that lady had only been armed….

gophergirl on December 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Sorry, Dire – I didn’t mean to make my response look like your quote.

studentofhistory on December 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Mine was done a month ago. *not that I’m gloating or anything*

predator on December 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I wish I could get organized enough to do that. I did start in November this year though. That’s a record for me.

gophergirl on December 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

I’m only giving one. :) I just bought it. I hope me boy wants to paint things with Europium-doped phosphorescent paint.

So cool.

Someone asked me, “does he paint or something?” — What’s that got to do with anything? Man, some people just don’t get it.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

That looks like fun.

gophergirl on December 16, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Try this out..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 11:39 PM

That was excellent!

I hate to say it, because I can’t stand Axl, but I think Guns N’ Roses’ version is still the best I’ve heard.

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 12:08 AM

To quote Jesus Christ, “No greater love hath any man, than he lay down his life for a another”.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Great quote, so apt. :)

Good morning QOTD Club!

22044 on December 16, 2012 at 12:09 AM

The principal too. Man if that lady had only been armed….

gophergirl on December 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Agreed.

But, when you think about it, she was. :) Hence the massive victory.

Axe on December 16, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I will say that I think that anyone who owns guns – especially handguns – should be required to have a combination safe to prevent access by non-registered, unaccompanied kids. We have keys on cars to prevent such theft, I can’t help but think that we could develop a simple key for your gun that you hold on your key chain, and that is required for the gun to function.

I’m not generally a gun control advocate, but I think something like the key idea is necessary BECAUSE we have allowed our society to degrade to the point where young men like this one are committing these types of heinous acts. I think law abiding citizens should be allowed to have guns, but they have to also be responsible that others – family members or not – cannot get access without supervision. Liability for the gun owner may also be an answer in certain cases. Nothing causes people to be more responsible than the risk of getting hit in the wallet!

studentofhistory on December 16, 2012 at 12:12 AM

There is NOTHING sadder than tiny caskets. I pray for the families. My favorite aunt and my cousin were killed going home from our family Thanksgiving dinner. My uncle was shot too. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever been through. Watching him put his son in the casket at the funeral home and kiss his wife, my aunt goodbye.

That’s why I carry, sesquach. Get it?

wolly4321 on December 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Wow, sorry you had to go through that.

What happened, if you don’t mind me asking?

Anti-Control on December 16, 2012 at 12:12 AM

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