Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on December 15, 2012 by Allahpundit

The massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., bloodiest attack of its kind in the nation’s history, stands as a possible tipping point after Washington’s decade-long aversion even to talking about stricter gun laws…

It remains to be seen whether Sandy Hook will break the usual cycle of universal shock fading into political reality. That reality is based on a combination of powerful gun lobbying and public opinion, which has shifted against tougher gun control and stayed that way. However lawmakers react this time, it’s the president’s call whether the issue fades again or takes its place alongside the legacy-shaping initiatives of his time, with all the peril that could mean for his party…

One certainty in the weeks to come is that both parties in Washington will carefully watch public opinion on gun control and the Second Amendment, and whether any impact lasts. Opposition to stricter laws has proved resilient.

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[A]dvocates of gun control say the shootings at an elementary school in Newtown might be different for two reasons: the victims were children, eliciting a gut-wrenching response across the country, and the National Rifle Association proved to be a political paper tiger in the 2012 election.

“The political atmosphere has clearly changed because now we have solid evidence that the N.R.A. just was not effective in the last election cycle,” said Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control advocacy group. “This just has a feel that they won’t get away with doing nothing this time.”

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Pivotal players in any legislative action would be the half dozen Democratic senators up for re-election in 2014 who represent states that tend to be more protective of gun owners’ rights: Sen. Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota, and Sen. Mark Begich of Alaska…

Two other Democrats also crucial to any Senate action would be Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and senator-elect Joe Donnelly of Indiana…

Whether Obama decides that he wants to lead an effort to persuade Congress to enact new measures to limit access to guns may in part depend on how the public responds in the next week.

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Adam Lanza, the troubled nerd who turned a Connecticut school into a slaughterhouse, learned how to shoot under the watchful eye of his demanding mom Nancy.

“She said she would often go target shooting with her kids,” landscaper Dan Holmes said.

Nancy Lanza wound up being the first of her son’s 27 victims when he used one of her guns to shoot her dead.

Holmes, who often mowed the grass at the Lanza’s sprawling Newtown home, told Reuters the doomed mom was proud of her arsenal and once showed him a “high end rifle” she had just purchased.

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U.S. school districts have spent millions of dollars on metal detectors, security cameras and elaborate emergency-response plans since the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School, but almost nothing could have prevented Friday’s massacre at a Connecticut elementary school, security experts say…

Still, Bond said, there is no way for students and teachers to protect themselves when someone begins shooting with a weapon. He said even a security guard and locked doors could not have stopped the killer.

Without knowing the school’s security system, Kenneth Trump, president of consulting firm National School Safety and Security Services, stresses that schools need to be “looking for these lone wolf actors.”

“As a father, I would love to have a 100 percent guarantee that nothing bad will ever happen in my kids’ school, but as a rational school safety professional I know nobody can give me a 100 percent guarantee on safety,” said Trump.

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3) We must find a way to make it more difficult for the non-adjudicated mentally ill to come into possession of weapons. This is crucially important, but very difficult, because it would require the cooperation of the medical community — of psychiatrists, therapists, school counselors and the like — and the privacy issues (among other issues) are enormous. But: It has to be made more difficult for sociopaths, psychopaths and the otherwise violently mentally-ill (who, in total, make up a small portion of the mentally ill population) to buy weapons.

4) People should have the ability to defend themselves. Mass shootings take many lives in part because no one is firing back at the shooters. The shooters in recent massacres have had many minutes to complete their evil work, while their victims cower under desks or in closets. One response to the tragic reality that we are a gun-saturated country is to understand that law-abiding, well-trained, non-criminal, wholly sane citizens who are screened by the government have a role to play in their own self-defense, and in the defense of others (read The Atlantic article to see how one armed school administrator stopped a mass shooting in Pearl Mississippi). I don’t know anything more than anyone else about the shooting in Connecticut at the moment, but it seems fairly obvious that there was no one at or near the school who could have tried to fight back.

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Imagine that you ran a school district, and some rich foundation, worried about school shootings, gave you the following offer: We’ll hire armed security guards for you, who could try to do something about the school shooter. These aren’t going to be highly trained police officers, just typical security guards, given some modest training and subjected to basic background checks. It’s not like they’re highly skilled; security guards rarely are. But they have a basic understanding of how to shoot, and when to shoot…

But wait! The foundation has just learned that its investment portfolio has done very badly, and the grant doesn’t go through. But someone else suggests: Instead of hiring special-purpose security guards, why not take some of your existing employees — teachers, administrators, and the like — and offer them a deal: They’d go through some modest training and subjected to basic background checks, and in exchange they’d be given the right to carry the same guns that the security guards would have had…

Is there some reason why the armed security guard is safe and helpful, but the armed teacher, administrator, or staffer — er, the teacher with a volunteer security guard license — would be useless and a menace?

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The general decline in gun-related violence and the inability even of mental health professionals to identify future mass killers should be the essential starting points of any serious policy discussion generated by the absolutely horrific slaughter at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. We should also add a third starting point: Few good policies come from rapid responses to deeply felt injuries. Many of the same people who are now calling for immediate action with regard to gun control recognize that The Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, was a terrible piece of legislation that ultimately did nothing to protect Americans even as it vastly expanded the state’s ability to surveil law-abiding citizens. There’s no reason to think that federal, state, or local gun control laws promulgated now would result in anything different.

If hard cases make bad laws, it’s even more true that rare crimes make terrible public policy. In a piece for Quartz, journalist Lenore Skenazy recalls that the deadliest school massacre in U.S. history took place in Michigan in 1927, when a disgruntled school-board official blew up 38 people, including himself. She writes that the real difference between now and then is the immediacy of the media, which shrinks the distance between victims and the rest of us. Even as that allows us to have more empathy for the grieving, it creates the conditions for an overreaction that will ultimately be little more than symbolic

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…here we go!

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Should we have gun free zones..?

BTW, the Associate Press is a subversive organization…

d1carter on December 15, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Is there some reason why the armed security guard is safe and helpful, but the armed teacher, administrator, or staffer — er, the teacher with a volunteer security guard license — would be useless and a menace?

…it makes too much sense…so I’m staying out of it!

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 8:38 PM

journalist Lenore Skenazy recalls that the deadliest school massacre in U.S. history took place in Michigan in 1927, when a disgruntled school-board official blew up 38 people, including himself.

It was actually 45 people but hey, Lenore is only a journalist after all so let’s cut her some slack. It’s not like she has Google.

Kataklysmic on December 15, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Should we have gun free zones..?

BTW, the Associate Press is a subversive organization…

d1carter on December 15, 2012 at 8:37 PM

…sure!…that’s where all the shooting occurs!

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Still, Bond said, there is no way for students and teachers to protect themselves when someone begins shooting with a weapon. He said even a security guard and locked doors could not have stopped the killer.

This is utter BS. Anyone that could shoot back could potentially stop the killer.

commodore on December 15, 2012 at 8:39 PM

armed teachers work well in Israel ….
no school shootings since they started
doing that ….

conservative tarheel on December 15, 2012 at 8:40 PM

and the National Rifle Association proved to be a political paper tiger in the 2012 election.

and your point?

most folks believe in the 2nd amendment, you try screwing with that, you’re in for a suprise…

evil people do not follow the rule of law idiot libs…really think stricter gun control is an answer are delusional…

cmsinaz on December 15, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Is there some reason why the armed security guard is safe and helpful, but the armed teacher, administrator, or staffer — er, the teacher with a volunteer security guard license — would be useless and a menace?

…it makes too much sense…so I’m staying out of it!

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 8:38 PM

The Swiss have already shown this works but the left will ignore that inconvenient fact. It get’s in the way of their true reasons for wanting to disarm the citizenry.

Kataklysmic on December 15, 2012 at 8:41 PM

↑ gets

Kataklysmic on December 15, 2012 at 8:42 PM

This post has an “I suppor the enfringement of our rights” feel to it.

I will say no more.

USCitizen on December 15, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Anybody heard of any proposed change in gun laws that would have prevented this murderer from murdering..?

d1carter on December 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Typo: suppor = support

USCitizen on December 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Should we have a School Safety Administration..? TSA has worked so well…

d1carter on December 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

This is utter BS. Anyone that could shoot back could potentially stop the killer.

commodore

Maybe you could wear your cowboy hat. Or better yet, train all those 6-year olds to use AK-47s and gun him down.

lostmotherland on December 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

d1carter on December 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM

who cares, we need gun control now!!!
-lib talking heads

cmsinaz on December 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

It is obvious that we need to immediately remove “Gun Free Zones” from the United States.

It was one of those “feel good” ideas that obviously didn’t work out the way those that worked for them thought they would.

Time to allow decent, law-abiding Americans to exercise their Constitutionally recognized Second Amendment Right.

For example, the purported reason that there were only two casualties in the Clackamas shooting was that he was confronted by an armed individual:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/12/daniel-zimmerman/clackamas-shooter-confronted-by-ccw-holder/

Wherever there are armed citizens, the risk goes up for the perpetrator. That’s, in part, why they appear to choose “Gun Free Zones” aka “Target Rich and Safe Environments.”

Sign the petition to eliminate these “Gun Free Zones” :

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/change-laws-regarding-gun-control-revise-those-places-are-considered-gun-free-zones-immediately/6fGxb0wQ

In Israel, their schools were often attacked and children were killed. They trained and armed the teachers. Net result: They don’t have that particular problem anymore.

http://www.wnd.com/2009/03/91528/

Let’s take back the ability to defend ourselves and those that are least able to defend themselves…our children.

ProfShadow on December 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I heard on the Wolf Blitzer station,that they said,
the .223 Bushmaster was a copy of the,

“Military version of the M-16″!!!

I’m thinking,more like the M-4!!

Is Wolfy accurate??????

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM

How many of these would it take to equal Obama’s and Holder’s Fast and Furious murder spree?

VorDaj on December 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM

1. If Obama sends a gun control bill to the Senate (which he won’t do, he’ll send it to the House expecting it to be defeated there), I sincerely look forward to watching red-state Democratic Senators (Landrieu, Pryor, Warner, Begich,Hagan, Rockefeller, Johnson) who will be on the ballot in 2014 squirm. And, if they support it, it’ll be great seeing them defeated.

2. I’m seriously considering sending a donation to the NRA. The gun grabbers are back on parade.

Robert_Paulson on December 15, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Someone should make a law that says guns aren’t allowed at schools. In fact, using a gun to kill innocent people should be outlawed, too. Yes. There should be laws. Lots of new laws. So this kind of thing doesn’t happen anymore.

Rational Thought on December 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Maybe you could wear your cowboy hat. Or better yet, train all those 6-year olds to use AK-47s and gun him down.

lostmotherland on December 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Too bad children who Obama and Holder had killed with their Fast and Furious murder spree didn’t have something to fight back with.

VorDaj on December 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Can they get the Arab League onside?

BL@KBIRD on December 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

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canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Still, Bond said, there is no way for students and teachers to protect themselves when someone begins shooting with a weapon. He said even a security guard and locked doors could not have stopped the killer.

Yes there freaking is! Point a weapon back at them and pull the freaking trigger!

This is not hard!
“Gun free schools” are nothing but “slaughter at will” zones!

Quite frankly this makes me so freaking mad! These children did not have to die! One man.. one woman with another gun could have stopped this madman! But it didn’t have to be even one other person.. five.. just 5 people out of the entire school carrying another firearm could have put an end to this!

They called the cops didn’t they? Why did they call the cops? Because the cops carry guns!
If these shootings have proven anything they prove than any fool with a gun can kill someone! How much more a teacher protecting her class? How much more an office worker protecting their school?

This is not hard to understand! These shooters were not highly trained commandos! They are just punks and cowards gunning down unarmed defenseless people and we make it easy for them by declaring schools and movie theaters “gun free!” This is insane!

These nuts aren’t shooting up police stations! They go where the people are defenseless!

It is irresponsible of us to allow any of these schools to be gun free anymore! We need to allow these teachers to protect themselves! And if they don ‘t want to.. higher guards!

JellyToast on December 15, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Never let a crisis go to waste. The left’s talking points are already hitting the presses and they will be repeated over the next week as many times as the inaccurate, bloviating, talking heads who spewed “guesses” as to what happened, only to be wrong most of the time. Not sure why these media people have to keep their mouths flapping constantly over things they have no information on. We’ll now hear about gun control even more from the liberal state run media.

The hypocritcal left wants to blame an inanimate object for the violence because to talk about the real causes would be arguing against the policies, depravity, immorality, and violence they celebrate daily. Maybe the problem is a distancing from God. Or the video games they keep tempting our youth with. Or maybe its the celebrities they put on pedestals and pay millions to endorse and create “heroes” out of. These are the same hypocritical liberals who promote abortion and death on demand and would rather celebrate abominable lifestyles rather than the genocide against Christians around the world while they denigrate and ridicule the family and normalcy. Naw, it couldn’t be those things. It has to be those guns that just jump into the hands of evil people doesn’t it?

iamsaved on December 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Anybody heard of any proposed change in gun laws that would have prevented this murderer from murdering..?

d1carter on December 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Too late to stop Obama’s and Holder’s Fast and Furious murder spree.

VorDaj on December 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Still, Bond said, there is no way for students and teachers to protect themselves when someone begins shooting with a weapon. He said even a security guard and locked doors could not have stopped the killer.

Then how do the police protect themselves? How does law enforcement protect themselves?

If you can’t protect anyone with a gun then why does law enforcement carry them?

JellyToast on December 15, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Maybe you could wear your cowboy hat. Or better yet, train all those 6-year olds to use AK-47s and gun him down.

lostmotherland on December 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

okay Troll …
in Israel all the teachers are trained and armed … even the arabs
do not attack Israeli schools since they started it ..
so armed teachers who stop attacks like this …
BTW this is the last time I will respond to you… I am declaring Trollcott

conservative tarheel on December 15, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Someone should make a law that says guns aren’t allowed at schools. In fact, using a gun to kill innocent people should be outlawed, too. Yes. There should be laws. Lots of new laws. So this kind of thing doesn’t happen anymore.

Rational Thought on December 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Amen brother. I for one would rather be hacked to death with a machete or blown up by a pipe bomb wrapped in ball bearings.

Kataklysmic on December 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Do News agencies have armed guards in their buildings..?

d1carter on December 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Can they get the Arab League onside?

BL@KBIRD on December 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

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canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 8:54 PM

iamsaved on December 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM

hear hear

cmsinaz on December 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM

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AP source: Boehner offers millionaire tax hike
By JIM KUHNHENN
— Dec. 15 8:37 PM EST

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-boehner-offers-millionaire-tax-hike

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

…JugEars may be Santa Claus…but Boehner is his Elf!

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Whether Obama decides that he wants to lead an effort to persuade Congress

LOL. Barky’s 84 IQ isn’t enough to persuade anyone, even if Barky had such an inclination, which he clearly doesn’t. The Indonesian Dog-Eater might try to just force some Executive dictats on us (as he loves playing Sukarno … Americanism is not Barky’s thing – he hates everything about America) but he never bothers trying to persuade anyone with that pea-brain of his.

All the gun-control idiots ought to pick up and move to Europe, where they belong. They love collectivism, the welfare state, dictators, royals, and unlimited govenrment. Europe is their fantasy. They don’t belong here.

Barky should head back to take up his first political aspiration – become Prime Minister and Dictator of Indonesia. They deserve the retard. They really do. Barky can enjoy “the most beautiful sound at sunset” every day back in the land he grew up in and formed his demented personality and non-functioning brain.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 15, 2012 at 8:56 PM

We are have to go out there and defend our rights. I predict the public will turn and support some kind off gun control. Heck my wife who comes from a hunting family has already folded. Conservatives are writing articles on right leaning blogs essentially preaching to the choir. We need to go to the MSM and make the case for the 2nd.

celticdefender on December 15, 2012 at 8:56 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM

yepper

cmsinaz on December 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM

armed teachers work well in Israel ….
no school shootings since they started
doing that ….

conservative tarheel on December 15, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Who told you that? I lived in Israel for a decade, and the only armed teachers I ever saw was those working in the territories.

Archivarix on December 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Still, Bond said, there is no way for students and teachers to protect themselves when someone begins shooting with a weapon. He said even a security guard and locked doors could not have stopped the killer.

Er, I’m pretty sure if someone else were armed, they could have protected themselves. The mall shooting in Oregon might have been a lot worse if not for the fact that someone else there was carrying.

Good luck getting teachers to arm themselves, tho. At least outside if the reliably red states. I would wager most of them are probably proponents of gun grabbing.

NoLeftTurn on December 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Advocates on both sides of the gun issue say part of the problem with the public outcry in the wake of such tragedies is that the facts about each individual circumstance aren’t always known immediately. In some cases, an assault weapon was used. In other cases, a handgun was used. That makes it difficult for anyone lobbying on a specific gun issue to react quickly.

Generally, the lack of immediate facts helps the gun-rights advocates because they can keep their responses general without delving into the areas that they deem dangerous. After the Aurora shooting, an NRA spokesman gave a generic “thoughts and prayers” comment but declined further speculation until all the facts were known. By then, the story had gone cold.

http://nationaljournal.com/much-grief-but-little-action-from-congress-on-guns-20121214

from someone called Fawn Johnson

And then there’s this, written a couple of weeks ago by Jeffery Goldberg…very very sober analysis. He concludes that more people should have guns..but also demonstrates that members of the gun control crowd live in their own bubble…unable to conceptualize another way..

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-case-for-more-guns-and-more-gun-control/309161/?single_page=true

Goldberg has probably gotten grief from his left-wing buddies for this article.

We are caught between the irrational, hysterical rantings of Fawn Johnson, and the sober analysis of Goldberg.

Like with most things in this country sober analysis counts for zip. The Left/Media is quite happy being the petulant child demanding their dystopia on their terms only. forward

r keller on December 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Too late to stop Obama’s and Holder’s Fast and Furious murder spree.

VorDaj on December 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Exactly!

Yeah… how would you like it if you were being shot at and you called 911 and the cops said “We’re coming but that’s a gun free school zone so we’ll be leaving our guns at the office.. but we’re on our way.. because there’s no way we can protect you once someone starts shooting anyway!”

This is insane!

You want to blame someone other than the shooter? Start with the freaking “gun free unless you are a madman and want to kill us all zones!” all around this country!

Let me tell you this! If that was where the President’s kids went to school.. they would not be relying on locks and alarms for protection! There would be armed security around that school!

If it’s good enough for the President’s kids that’s good enough for my kids!

JellyToast on December 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

AP source: Boehner offers millionaire tax hike
By JIM KUHNHENN
— Dec. 15 8:37 PM EST

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-boehner-offers-millionaire-tax-hike

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Screw the Crybaby. If the coming House doesn’t toss this sorry POS out on his azz … then, I don’t even know what to say. The Weeping Boner is turd. He should just join the democrats with Charlie Crist. Same sorts of idiots.

I still can’t believe that this House let this loser stay as Weeper all this time. He’s been a total and utter failure since the very first day he took the Weepership. He should be crying himself to sleep every night, alone, and stay out of politics, since he really sucks at it. What a friggin loser.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Let’s see, there have been record sales of guns each year since Obama won the election in 2008. Of course, none of them were liberals who were purchasing them so I suppose only about a 100 or so people bought all of them so confiscating and controlling all the guns in this country should be pretty easy.

If the left used any logic, they would figure out that the populace anticipated these gun control moves by the left years ago and spoke with their dollars and continue to do so.

iamsaved on December 15, 2012 at 8:59 PM

The people who don’t want you to have guns will be the first to turn them upon you: predator’s law of self preservation.

predator on December 15, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Who told you that? I lived in Israel for a decade, and the only armed teachers I ever saw was those working in the territories.

Archivarix on December 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM


Armed Teachers stop Terrorist Attack in Israel

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2008/01/armed-teachers-stop-terrorist-attack-in.html

JellyToast on December 15, 2012 at 9:02 PM

All information so far, when you connect the facts about the mom, is she didn’t think the shooter’s problems were as bad as the school did.

His high school apparently felt he needed something more, so her response was to pull him out and home-school.

Then, he got worse. And her response was to sit on him at home.

The mom was delusional, borderline paranoid. I knew that when I read she initiated the divorce, when the father didn’t want it to happen.

I know it’s a tough pill to swallow on HA, but this suburban, gun-owning, home-schooling, mother of two, lit the fuse.

Anyone notice how we haven’t heard a thing about the shooter’s doctors?

Yet, with Loughner and Holmes, we had the outline of that info within 24 hours.

So what does that say about the Lanza’s?

That, more than likely, his mom had an early diagnosis of autism, the school said it something else, and she refused to look into it any further.

He was misdiagnosed. He was schizophrenic, and her isolation technique only drove him farther into uncontrollable madness.

Because what exactly is his motivation to kill her and then the school? Norman Bates?

If he wanted her attention all the time, he wouldn’t have killed her. She had already “left” working for the schools some time before, if she did at all.

Like Loughner, schizo’s make insane connections between places and people.

We don’t know if he actually saw the school as an elementary school. He might have assumed it was his high school. He might have thought he was still in elementary school.

The fact that he didn’t drive from Jersey to Newtown, but just a very short distance, fits the schizo profile. None of these guys can travel great mileage because they’re not lucid enough to remember complicated directions without getting into an accident.

The whole family is responsible. The brother for just bailing on everyone. The dad for not keeping direct supervision, or calling services on her decisions. He thought he could paper the situation over with money.

The kid was a techie. His laptop is going to be a trove of insanity.

Once that gets out, the “ban all guns” argument is going to fade hard. Obama will put something in play, but as even CNN and Time, of all places, have already had experts put forth, gun banishment could not have prevented this.

Instead of being a shooter, we would be reading about the arsonist, the bomb maker, the school-as-gas-chamber. This guy, like Holmes, was smart enough to pull off anything outside heavy weapons. Most likely, he would have made a suicide carbomb, filled with poison gas, and killed everyone.

budfox on December 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Maybe you could wear your cowboy hat. Or better yet, train all those 6-year olds to use AK-47s and gun him down.

lostmotherland on December 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

lostmotherland:I bet,….

…..your commenting from the GAZA strip,in the West Bank,
which is the same area,that raised campaign loot,for
the WON…………..Healer-In-Chief!
(sarc)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Obviously the solution is to ban ‘gun free zones’ and ensure that there are MANY trained adults with conceal carry in schools. The opposite of the above is the conditions in which these situations occur; so do we really want this to stop, or do politicians hav e an alternative agenda in mind? Call police why; because they have guns. They arrive within minutes, better to have trAined adults in the office, in the halls, in the classroom, that don’t take minutes to go by before they can engage. This is all quite simple. It just comes down to what the people making the decision really have as their core goal. More people w conceal carry always equals a better outcome. Always. Gun free zones invite this kind of thing. Always.

Midas on December 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Is there some reason why the armed security guard is safe and helpful, but the armed teacher, administrator, or staffer — er, the teacher with a volunteer security guard license — would be useless and a menace?

Two words on why this would never ever happen, Teacher Unions.

meci on December 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

As for armed personnel?

That’s easy.

Unemployed vets.

Create a contract with the DOD for placement/replacement.

budfox on December 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Get the feeling the .223 will be the poster child.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Who told you that? I lived in Israel for a decade, and the only armed teachers I ever saw was those working in the territories.

Archivarix on December 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Maybe the teachers didn’t carry them in the classroom when you were there but I distinctly remember seeing middle-aged men in their swimming trunks strolling the beach outside of Tel Aviv with a holster and pistol. Also saw patrons who had sidearms in a restaurant by the Sea of Galilee. This was in the mid-90s before Yasser Arafat’s infantada.

iamsaved on December 15, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Or better yet, train all those 6-year olds to use AK-47s and gun him down.

lostmotherland on December 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

lostmotherland:You mean this!
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canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:08 PM

jellyToast on December 15, 2012 at 9:02 PM

thank you … beat me to it …

conservative tarheel on December 15, 2012 at 9:09 PM

lostmotherland

…you’re just a motherfocker !

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 9:11 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 9:11 PM

LML – Trollcott

conservative tarheel on December 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

budfox on December 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

excellent Idea ….

conservative tarheel on December 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

In Texas School, Teachers Carry Books and Guns

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/us/29texas.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Allow Teachers To Carry Guns? That’s The Nebraska Solution

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/allow-teacher-to-carry-guns-thats-the-nebraska-solution.html#ixzz2FB24YAib

Maybe a petition should be started to ban “gun free zones” and to allow concealed carry for teachers and or parents in schools all across this nation.

JellyToast on December 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

lostmotherland

…you’re just a motherfocker !

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 9:11 PM

…sorry!…a lostmotherfocker !

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Still, Bond said, there is no way for students and teachers to protect themselves when someone begins shooting with a weapon. He said even a security guard and locked doors could not have stopped the killer.

This is utter BS. Anyone that could shoot back could potentially stop the killer.

commodore on December 15, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Bingo. What the idiot libs and the AP (but I repeat myself) imply is that armed citizens will be unable to stop these deranged persons from committing murder. That is certainly true, in situations like these, someone will get shot before an armed citizen has a chance to stop the psychopath. However, what they are failing to state is the fact that an armed citizen has the chance of stopping the psycho from committing a large atrocity by hopefully being able to stop them early in their rampage rather than being unarmed and having to cower in fear.

At work, we had to sit through “active shooter” training where we were told to hide under desks, make ourselves small, non-threatening targets, try to lock ourselves in rooms, turn out lights, and when the police SWAT team finally showed up, be sure to show both our hands to the nice man in armor with a gun pointed at us. If we are so unfortunate as to be caught in a room with the active shooter, we were instructed by the video to throw things at him, he video showed the mock victims throwing a basket of silk flowers in his direction. I watched this and it just made me angry. There are scores of us who work where I do with CCW’s, but we are forced to be unarmed and then glibly told to cower under desks and throw silk flowers.

Yes, I work in an unarmed victim zone. To make it doubly ironic, we design and build military hardware where I work.

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 9:14 PM

[A]dvocates of gun control say the shootings at an elementary school in Newtown might be different for two reasons: the victims were children, eliciting a gut-wrenching response across the country, and the National Rifle Association proved to be a political paper tiger in the 2012 election.

“The political atmosphere has clearly changed because now we have solid evidence that the N.R.A. just was not effective in the last election cycle,” said Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control advocacy group. “This just has a feel that they won’t get away with doing nothing this time.”

This is how the left looks at everything. This event might help them because it was particularly brutal. This is a good thing for them. If it was just some half-assed shooting, they couldn’t get as much mileage from it.

Night Owl on December 15, 2012 at 9:14 PM

I heard on the Wolf Blitzer station,that they said,
the .223 Bushmaster was a copy of the,

“Military version of the M-16″!!!

I’m thinking,more like the M-4!!

Is Wolfy accurate??????

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Don’t be as ignorant as a journo-list. Bushmaster makes semi-auto rifles that emulate both the longer M-16 variants AND the shorter M-4. Other than a few differences in barrel selection, handgrips, and stocks, there’s no substantive difference between those semi-auto rifles. Their semi-auto actions / upper and lower receivers are pretty much identical.

rayra on December 15, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Hi Scrumpy Scrumpster the Scrumpstiest of all Scrumpies.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest, carrying his brother’s id, and killed himself. He was a crazed coward. I’m not saying he would’ve turned tail and run if another gun was pointing at him, but I’d take my chances over the alternative anyday.

txhsmom on December 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Schools should not be gun free zones. It is insane to declare them so and then put up signs. They are like big arrows pointing to the defenseless and perfect for the would-be murderer to stalk and do his thing. If any of them thought there was protection in the form of a gun or several guns, they would never, ever pick a school as a target.

Schools are perfect targets for terrorists. It’s where they can get the maximum benefit for their twisted deeds. Murderers and terrorists. They will always hit schools. Expect it.

BetseyRoss on December 15, 2012 at 9:17 PM

So what do you do if the madman lunatic psyco nutjob with visions of murderous rampages ends up winning an election someday… and everyone else has already had their guns taken?

JellyToast on December 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM

NYPD Detective: We need to repeal gun-free school zones
The Right Scoop on December 15th, 2012
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Former NYPD Detective John Baeza says that it’s important to mourn, but we need to take action to see that schools are made safer. And to do it he says we need to repeal legislation making schools gun-free zones so that teachers can properly defend themselves:

Watch:

http://www.therightscoop.com/nypd-detective-we-need-to-repeal-gun-free-school-zones/

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM

A ban free zone is a place where bans are disallowed.

I like ban free zones.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM

If schools had a ban free zone instead of a gun free zone then the killer or killers would have been stopped.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Hi Scrumpy Scrumpster the Scrumpstiest of all Scrumpies.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

…been having computer issues for the last week…Scrumpy name the dog yet?

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Schools are perfect targets for terrorists. It’s where they can get the maximum benefit for their twisted deeds. Murderers and terrorists. They will always hit schools. Expect it.

BetseyRoss on December 15, 2012 at 9:17 PM

BetseyRoss:

One of my fears,a tragedy like this,simultaneously,in a school,
across all 50 States!:)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

NYPD Detective: We need to repeal gun-free school zones
The Right Scoop on December 15th, 2012
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Former NYPD Detective John Baeza says that it’s important to mourn, but we need to take action to see that schools are made safer. And to do it he says we need to repeal legislation making schools gun-free zones so that teachers can properly defend themselves:

Watch:

http://www.therightscoop.com/nypd-detective-we-need-to-repeal-gun-free-school-zones/

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Praise God!

JellyToast on December 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Hi Scrumpy Scrumpster the Scrumpstiest of all Scrumpies.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

SparkPlug:Lol,Sparky the Scrumpy Extraordinaire Scrutenizer!
(snark)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:26 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Hi. She named it Sam.

And in Gaelic that means Sparky.

Ok that last part was made up.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Don’t be as ignorant as a journo-list. Bushmaster makes semi-auto rifles that emulate both the longer M-16 variants AND the shorter M-4. Other than a few differences in barrel selection, handgrips, and stocks, there’s no substantive difference between those semi-auto rifles. Their semi-auto actions / upper and lower receivers are pretty much identical.

rayra on December 15, 2012 at 9:14 PM

rayra:Gots it,thanks!

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

A canopfor free zone is a place with no Linkies or news.

I’m against canopfor free zones.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Hi. She named it Sam.

And in Gaelic that means Sparky.

Ok that last part was made up.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

…geez! Sam?…I expected Sparky or Howdy Doody!
Sam?

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Reposted and added to from yesterday’s MKH thread.

This isn’t a gun control issue.

This isn’t even a mental health issue.

This is a symptom of a terminally ill society.

It takes a certain kind of low life scum bag to murder innocent children in cold blood!

Dollayo on December 15, 2012 at 1:49 AM

.
It only requires a sociopath.

Sociopath – A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

We are producing them in record numbers (gang members, drug dealers, habitual liars, addicts, violent offenders, etc, etc, etc) and making celebrities out of the worst of them (50 cent, the Kartrashians, Lindsey Lohan, Chris Brown, the Kennedy family, Bill Clinton).

People are addicted to shows like “The Sopranos”, “Sons of Anarchy” and “Dexter”. All of which celebrate sociopathic values. I grew up in New York where the guys in organized crime were in their heyday. They were NOT conflicted about what they were doing for a living. They were ruthless, cold blooded pigs.

Conservatives are competing for attention against the sociopaths … and losing … badly.

Why?

Because they champion societal standards the sociopaths are being celebrated for trashing.

The sociopaths even have the communication monopoly of the MSM keeping them in the limelight and pimping their behavior.

You want to challenge liberals?

Don’t talk about mental health issues – they are a distraction.

Ask them to identify a celebrity they follow who has not engaged in antisocial attitudes and behavior.

PolAgnostic on December 15, 2012 at 2:17 AM


Until we stop the incessant worshipping of sociopathic behavior, everything else will be irrelevant.

PolAgnostic on December 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Hi. She named it Sam.

And in Gaelic that means Sparky.

Ok that last part was made up.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Surface to Air Missile, what a cute name for a puppy!

*ok, I’m sick. I admit it.*

predator on December 15, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Though the shooting was present in our minds, our family did not change our plans for today.

We went shopping. We have been discussing this for weeks and it was a well thought out decision. My wife and daughter inspected several different makes and models and I gave them the pros, and cons, of each. In the end, my daughter picked the one I wanted her to (though I didn’t tell her until we got our purchases home). My wife got the one that she liked and we will see how it works out (its not that I didn’t like it but it was a from a manufacturer that wasn’t familiar to me).

We got home and they read their owners manuals as did I. We then, as a family, took the purchases apart and cleaned them. I showed them what parts did what and let them watch while I showed them the proper way to clean. Then they cleaned them while I watched.

They are now very familiar with their new firearms and I am confident in their ability to properly care for them.

I am distraught over what happened but realize nothing short of magic will get rid of guns. Even if that were to happen, tragedies like this wouldn’t end. Bombs you see, are even easier to make than a zip gun. And a person with an internet connection and no tools can make either.

Nothing sums this up better than the immortal words of Robert Hienlien: An armed society is a polite society.

If I am ever the victim of something like this I want it to be said that I went down doing something. Not powerless to a deranged individual.

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 9:31 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Maybe Frodo would be better. Sam is good. Any hobbit name is good. But perhaps people are bored of the rings.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Maybe you could wear your cowboy hat. Or better yet, train all those 6-year olds to use AK-47s and gun him down.

lostmotherland on December 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Maybe you could learn to make an intelligent statement rather than displaying your stupidity.

Hah! Sure…and pigs could learn to fly.

You’re a moron.

Solaratov on December 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Surface to Air Missile, what a cute name for a puppy!

*ok, I’m sick. I admit it.*

predator on December 15, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Um, I named my Saint Bernard Oscar. The AKC changed it to Oscar the XXVIII since they didn’t like my unique name…Oscar the Soviet Cruise missile submarine.

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Praise God!

JellyToast on December 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

JellyToast:Yup,and to that!:)
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Mormon Tabernacle Choir – Hallelujah Chorus
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skgrFTu6KTI

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM

The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest, carrying his brother’s id, and killed himself. He was a crazed coward. I’m not saying he would’ve turned tail and run if another gun was pointing at him, but I’d take my chances over the alternative anyday.

txhsmom on December 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

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Like tens of millions of other parents, if you offered me a deal to go back in time with a gun to stop this POS and told me, in advance, it MIGHT only save one child’s life …

… but would absolutely result in my death – I would take it without a second thought.

PolAgnostic on December 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM

MeanWhile…………..in JihadyGoonsVille

Alexandria, Egypt, voted yes to the constitution, with 665,985 voters saying yes and 531,221 voters saying no – @EgyIndependent

3 mins ago by editor

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Former NYPD Detective John Baeza

As I skimmed through I read this as “Joan Baez”.

I listen to a lot of old music.

Bishop on December 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

which anti-gun organization do conservatives hate/despise/fear the most?

i want to donate to them.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

which anti-gun organization do conservatives hate/despise/fear the most?

i want to donate to them.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

The only pro or anti gun organization conservatives fear is the NRA.

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Former NYPD Detective John Baeza

As I skimmed through I read this as “Joan Baez”.

I listen to a lot of old music.

Bishop on December 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Bishop:”Silent Running Movie”:)
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Joan Baez ‘Rejoice in the Sun’ – Silent Running

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkF05D-NJMU

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

which anti-gun organization do conservatives hate/despise/fear the most?

i want to donate to them.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

We don’t fear any of them. Go to Huffpo/Kos. Maybe they can help you.

predator on December 15, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Please donate to Hugo Chavez. We hate him the most out of all anti-gun socialists. He disarmed the people now they are his Sheeple.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Hugo Chaves needs your money to help further disarm his people.

The only ones who have guns down there are the criminals and himself.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I love that movie.

cozmo on December 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

which anti-gun organization do conservatives hate/despise/fear the most?

i want to donate to them.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

The current administration.

Please send all donations to:

Fast and Furious Program
c/o Attorney General Eric Holder
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, D.C.

Bishop on December 15, 2012 at 9:43 PM

oh, and “Military version of the M-16″ is a nonsense statement. The M-16 IS the ‘military version’. The AR-15 is the civilian version of the M-16. The AR-15 is semi-automatic only, one trigger pull, one shot, instead of the M-16′s selector switch that goes from that semi- mode to full auto, where the gun will fire as long as the trigger is held, at ~700rds/minute, until the magazine is empty.
M-16 as originally fielded. Selector switch with semi- and full-auto modes. Somewhat problematic, beyond the deliberate sabotage.
M-16A1 improved with some design tweaks, Selector switch with semi- and full-auto modes.
AR-15A2 – M-16A2; semi- only vs semi- and 3rd burst. The M-16A2 was teh Marine version, an upgrade to the sites, foregrip, and reduction to 3rd burst to curtail ammo expenditure
M-16A3; The A2 improvements, but back to the full-auto variant for the Army, which has the logistics train / ability to supply such higher rates of fire. No civilian version / same as the AR-15A2
M-16A4; same as the A2, except with a flat top / removeable carry handle so that imprved optical sights can be installed more readily. There are AR-15A4-ish variants made.
All of the above have 20″ barrels. The M- variants are properly termed ‘assault rifles’. The AR- variants are NOT, being semi-auto only. The 1994 AWB and other blue state AWBs are deliberately misnamed to mislead.
CAR-15, Vietnam era compact M-16,had a very short barrel.
Later on a more intermediate barrel length was adopted, which became the M-4, the shorter rifle most of the Army now carries, some of the Marine Corps, and most of the Police tactical units / mall ninjas.
The AR-based emulation is generically referred to as an M4gery, as in forgery / copy.

Go to ar15.com to learn everything about all these rifles, and how to own and maintain them and shoot them accurately. They are the Lego of the rifle world, infinitely variable. Much to the chagrin of moron gun-grabbers in state legislatures like CT and CA, whose ‘bans’ have gaps large enough to drive hundreds of thousands of very similar rifles thru. They are even easy to assemble yourself from parts kits, after you legally purchase the serialized lower receiver assembly, under whatever Federal and State guidelines you live under. Some states ahve erected ludicrous obstacle courses, which are readily navigated with the proper education and guidance. And readily defended against.

rayra on December 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM

A canopfor free zone is a place with no Linkies or news.

I’m against canopfor free zones.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

SparkPlug:Lol,ahem,*looks over shoulder*,needs to git backs on
topic,*cough-cough* related!:)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Hugo Chaves needs your guns because you might hurt yourself. He cares that much about your freedom.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM

which anti-gun organization do conservatives hate/despise/fear the most?

i want to donate to them.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

The only 3 things that are bad for gunowners – rust, politicians and liberals. You should donate your few pennies to rust. That’s your best bet.

VegasRick on December 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM

oh, and “Military version of the M-16″ is a nonsense statement.

rayra on December 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM

rayra:Wolf BlitzerKrieg words,not mine!

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

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