Shooter identified in Connecticut, may have targeted his teacher mother; Update: Shooter killed himself, reports of missing girlfriend; Update: Shooter misidentified; Update: “Personality disorder”? Update: Mother shot at home? Update: Guns legally bought by mother

posted at 3:01 pm on December 14, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

CNN reports the suspect is Ryan Lanza, a white male in his early 20s. He died in the school, but it’s unclear how he died. CBS News is reporting he’s from the Newtown area, his mother had been living in the area, and some students killed may have been students of his mother, who taught at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

[Updated at 2:11 p.m. ET] CNN’s Susan Candiotti has just reported that a law enforcement official tells her the suspect is named Ryan Lanza and he is in his 20s.

I will not be showing a picture of the shooter because it appears that many, many news outlets and thousands of tweeters distributed the photo of the first Ryan Lanza they found on Facebook, and it was not the correct Ryan Lanza. Tweets a man claiming to be the friend of the incorrectly identified Lanza:

https://twitter.com/Fletch788/status/279668466150166528

I’ll just stand by on this because it’s all very uncertain and I really do not want to accuse anyone other than the actual Ryan Lanza of committing this horrible crime.

I want to be careful about all of this, because details remain hazy, but I will just tell you who’s reporting what and reinforce that reports are preliminary and may change.

CBS News says it has confirmed that Lanza’s mother was a teacher at the school and was killed, but it’s unclear whether she died on school grounds. There were reports earlier in the day that his mother might have been killed in a home connected to the shooter, but CBS is now reporting there is a body at the home connected with the suspect.

The NYT:

The gunman, who was believed to be in his 20s, walked into a classroom where his mother was a teacher. He shot and killed her and then shot 18 students in the classroom. He also shot seven other adults.The gunman then killed himself inside the school. The shooting ranks among the worst in recent United States history.

Update: From local news in Newtown:

The gunman delilberately went to Sandy Hook Elementary School with the intention of killing his mother who was a kindergarten teacher at the school, according to NBC Channel 4.

According to the report, the gunman left a Hoboken, NJ home where there apparently is a victim. It is believed that the gunman then went to Sandy Hook where his mother worked as a teacher and began shooting near the principal’s office. The shooter then went to his mother’s kindergarten classroom and killed her and her students, according to the report.

Update: AP reports police have Ryan Lanza’s brother in custody, but unclear whether it’s just to gather information or as connected in some way.

Update: The President will speak at 3:15 p.m. at the White House, addressing the nation.

Update: With the shooter’s body inside the school, police found two handguns. One was a Sig Sauer, the other a Glock 9mm. In his vehicle, police found a .223 caliber rifle, according to CBS News reporting.

Update: Livestream of the president’s statement will be here. Connecticut Gov. Malloy will speak this afternoon, also. Flags have been ordered to half-staff at the Capitol:

Update: Fox reports they have a source saying both the shooter’s mother and father are dead.

A source told Fox News that Lanza’s mother and father, who were divorced, were also killed. It’s not clear whether Lanza’s mother, a teacher at the school, was killed there or at another location.

Update: AP reports an official saying Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend are missing.

The official also said Ryan Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said the suspect is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Update: In a second press conference, Gov. Malloy said “the perpetrator of the crime is dead as is an individual who the perpetrator lived with.”

Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police reported that 18 children were pronounced dead at the scene, two at local hospitals, and six adults were killed. There was one person injured. Vance also said there’s a secondary crime scene in Newtown with an additional “adult victim” at that scene.

Update (AP): There’s a major conflict in news reports right now. According to the New York Post, the shooter’s name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan. Ryan is his brother and is being questioned by police but, per the Post, is not a suspect. The AP, however, says it is indeed Ryan who’s the shooter and that his brother is the one who’s being questioned. Needless to say, treat every last bit of news about this story as unconfirmed for the next several hours.

And judging from my Twitter feed, it’d be wise to stay away from social media altogether.

Update (AP): At the White House, Carney wisely decides to punt the inevitable gun-control debate to next week.

Update (AP): Looks like the Post might have been right about the shooter’s identity. Cops now say the shooter was 20 and that his older brother is being questioned. Adam Lanza is the younger brother according to the NYP.

Update (AP): Fearless prediction, as Twitter fills up with angry liberals pounding the table about gun control: As the story comes out, we’ll find out that the guy responsible displayed many, many signs of mental illness over the past year or so and that they were all but ignored by virtually everyone around him.

Update (AP): Yep, even the AP is now naming Adam, not Ryan, Lanza as the shooter. If Ryan’s blameless in all this, his newly hellish existence got a bit more hellish today thanks to the media.

Reuters claims that another Lanza brother is dead at the family home.

Update (AP): The AP says three guns were found at the scene: A Glock pistol, a Sig Sauer pistol, and a .223 rifle.

Update (AP): This cuts to it:

And this:

Update (AP): Ace is right that the typical mass murderer is a mentally-ill sad-sack loser who’s bad at work, bad with women, and who finally snaps in frustration at his own momentous loserdom. Usually it’s a break-up or a pink slip that sets him off and usually the targets are strangers. Not this time, though: The shooter’s just 20 years old and he went to the trouble of driving to his mother’s school to kill her — and 20 kids — after allegedly killing other family members at home. That’s an odd combination of specific and random targeting. What exactly was the crux of this guy’s grudge?

Update (AP): For what it’s worth:

Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a “personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as “odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Update (AP): The list. Imagine.

“The teachers wrote down the names of all the children,’’ said Monsignor. Robert Weiss, the pastor at St. Rose of Lima in Newtown. “The ones who were unaccounted for, those parents went to another room and wrote their names on a list.”

“It was around, obviously,” he added, “the number that passed away.”

Update (AP): Nightmarish details from People magazine, who spoke to a mother of one of the students at the school:

According to the woman, the shooter, who is confirmed dead at the scene “went into the [principal's] office, started arguing, and he killed people in the office,” before going into a classroom.

Another parent visiting the school at the time tells PEOPLE he “could hear shots in the hall and glass breaking.” And an NPR interview with one of the school’s teachers revealed that the school’s PA system was on the whole time, amplifying the shots throughout the school.

Update (AP): Against all odds, the shooting continues to get more bizarre:

The shooter, who sources identified as Adam Lanza, 20, shot his mother in the face at their home in Newtown, Conn., then went to nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School where she taught and gunned down her entire class, according to sources…

Vance also said that a “deceased adult” was found at a “secondary crime scene,” though he declined to elaborate.

The thinking until now was that he had some sort of insane grudge against mom that led him to follow her to school, kill her in the classroom, and then open fire on the kids around her as collateral damage. Not so, if Fox’s sources are right. His mother was already dead at home before anything happened at the school. For whatever lunatic reason, after killing her he felt obliged to get in his car, drive down there, and then start shooting at kindergarteners.

The other mystery is who the “deceased adult” was at the other “secondary crime scene.” Reuters reported earlier that it was Lanza’s brother, but cops now say no. Who was it?

Update (AP): Info on the guns from Fox News, per Johnny Dollar:

Update (AP): CNN backs up Fox’s report that the guns were legally purchased by Lanza’s mother, and claims that the rifle was found in the trunk of a car parked at the school. Did he only use the two pistols during his attack, or did he have the rifle out at some point before returning it to the car? And if he didn’t have it out, why not? Seems like, if you’re of a mind to commit a mass shooting, you’d want to use the biggest weapon you have.

Like Greg Pollowitz, I’m eager to hear the progressive policy solution to a nutcase stealing his law-abiding mother’s legally-bought guns.

Update (AP): I’m clicking around on Connecticut’s judicial website of gun regulations to see how many violations this guy is probably guilty of under current law. After a cursory five-minute search, I’ve got at least 10. One: Assuming mom didn’t lend him the two pistols and rifle, he’s guilty of three counts of theft. Two: He’s guilty of three counts of possessing a weapon on school grounds. Three: He may be guilty of two counts of criminal possession of a pistol or revolver. Lanza reportedly had a “checkered past” and had been a “troubled youth for most of his life.” We don’t know how checkered because his juvenile records are sealed, but if he was “convicted as delinquent for the commission of a serious juvenile offense” then that’s two more violations, one for possessing each pistol. Four: Per NBC, concealed-carry permits aren’t granted to anyone in Connecticut under the age of 21. That means two more violations for the 20-year-old Lanza for carrying the two pistols. (You don’t need a permit to carry a rifle.) Oh, and if Wikipedia is accurate, Connecticut police are fully entitled to seize weapons in someone’s possession without a warrant if they have probable cause that the suspect is mentally unstable or likely to commit a crime. Go surf around on the gun-laws site and see what else you find. There’s probably stuff I missed.

The obvious objection to all of this is that none of these laws would have kept the guns out of Lanza’s hands. They’re all useful in prosecuting a killer after the fact, not in stopping him beforehand. In that case, what’s the solution? You can’t ban Nancy Lanza from owning a pistol; she has a constitutional right, per the Supreme Court’s Heller decision. Ban Glocks and Sig Sauers, then? Ban any family from owning more than one weapon? Ban any family from owning a weapon if the state determines that a member of the family seems a little too eccentric for comfort?

Update (AP): Mary Katharine e-mails with thoughts:

From earlier, in the second presser, Lt. Vance said two handguns were found w the body and the rifle in the car.

A couple points. If you were of a mind to go into a school w guns concealed somehow–as he might have, considering this started apparently w an altercation in the office instead of going straight to the classroom–you’d likely wanna just carry the two handguns. The rifle would limit mobility and couldn’t be concealed and the handguns would give you plenty of rounds and portability.

Also of interest, if the mom’s rifle was indeed legally purchased, that means it’s NOT an “assault weapon” unless she had it purchased and registered pre-1993. CT bans “assault weapons,” so both that fact and the fact hers likely wasn’t one makes the call for Assault Weapons Ban reinstatement pretty tendentious, right?

Update (AP): Good lord. Lanza’s father learned what his son had done … from a reporter:

“Is there something I can do for you?” he said.

When the reporter told Lanza his address had been linked to the shooting in Newtown, Conn., on the other side of Fairfield County, he “took the news as a blow — his face turning from patient to surprised and horrified” before declining to comment, rolling up his window and driving into the garage, according to the Hearst Connecticut report.


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The guns were registered to his mother per Fox.

JPeterman on December 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM

“So she had it coming to her”
/lostmotherland

Bitter Clinger on December 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM

So terribly sad right now. Words fail. Must pray.

txmomof6 on December 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Ryan Lanza was apparently at work today and it may be his brother who committed these murders.

novaculus on December 14, 2012 at 3:36 PM

WTF. Who was the second person they dragged out of the woods then?

gh on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Harbingeing on December 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Good grief!

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

People have been very reckless, posting any Ryan Lanza Facebook pages and Twitter accounts they find without bothering to confirm anything.

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Yup. Fox just reported that it may be his brother who was the shooter, with Ryan being the one in police custody.

whatcat on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

So disgusting. Anyone watching the “Governor of CT’s speech?” This sounds more like a political rally.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Looks as if the politicians are all fighting for a place in front of the microphones…

d1carter on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

milemarker2020 on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

The communists have been going after guns for ages… We have thousands of gun laws on the books… They can add ten thousands more… What they cannot do is to prevent anyone from purchasing and owning a gun no matter how hard they try… It is impossible at least for the communists to force 38 states to abolish the second amendment, or have two third of Congress do so…

mnjg on December 14, 2012 at 3:40 PM

You guys are easily fooled at 0bama’s ‘emotional speech’.

Did anyone notice that he managed to give the nation ‘the finger’ as he he wiped away an invisible tear?

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

I pick this one for the definition of ODS in any and all dictionaries.

lester on December 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Looks as if the politicians are all fighting for a place in front of the microphones…

d1carter on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Is that Sen. Blumenthal I see angling to get in front of the camera?

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

MSNBC’s Alex Wagner: “Hopefully” CT School Shooting Will Result In “Political Capital” To Reform Gun Laws…
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/12/14/msnbcs-alex-wagner-hopefully-ct-school-shooting-will-result-in-political-capital-to-reform-gun-laws/

The bodies are still warm and the left is already calling for Democrats to use this for political gain. Disgusting.

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Too bad the coward didn’t have the guts to just off himself.

GarandFan on December 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Looks as if the politicians are all fighting for a place in front of the microphones…
d1carter on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

When have they NOT?

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

So disgusting. Anyone watching the “Governor of CT’s speech?” This sounds more like a political rally.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Of course. Never let a crisis go to waste…

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Looks as if the politicians are all fighting for a place in front of the microphones…

d1carter on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

They always do. Very fortunate Charles Schumer isn’t involved.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

RIP little ones you didn’t deserve this. No one deserves this. Satan is at work in this country. God have mercy on their souls and grant the victims peace

unseen on December 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

they make me want to retch

They made me retch. As usual.

EA_MAN on December 14, 2012 at 3:43 PM

lester on December 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

GFY you stupid clown.

wargamer6 on December 14, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Doesn’t Ct have very tough gun laws?

unseen on December 14, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Adam Lanza is the shooter, age 20.

Parents are divorced. Father in NJ, mother in CT.

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM

I cannot fathom the mind that would look at those children and do that. Why couldn’t that coward just have just put himself down?

NickelAndDime on December 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM

U.S. Rep. Rush Holt also released a statement, urging a discusson on ways to bring gun violence under control.

“We can’t just keep saying, ‘Our hearts ache for the victims and their families.’ We have to bring gun violence under control.

“Of course we are all horrified by today’s violence in Connecticut. Such tragedies are always senseless, but it is especially sickening to see gunfire turned against children in a place of learning.

“Yet it is not enough to feel sickened. In the aftermath of these horrific events, there will, as always, be those who will warn us against ‘politicizing’ this tragedy by discussing gun safety. These claims are ideologically motivated, and they are profoundly wrong.

“When, after a hurricane strikes, we advocate for funding to mitigate future floods, that is not ‘politicizing’ a tragedy. When, after a terrorist attack, we advocate for better measures to prevent future deaths, that is not ‘politicizing’ a tragedy. The notion that gun violence is somehow different—that it deserves unique immunity from serious conversation in our political dialogue – is nonsensical.

“Policymakers have an obligation to respond to problems by finding solutions. The solution to gun violence is, in part, to address gun safety. Arguments that deny this fact strike me as illogical or blindly ideological.”

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM

There is a special place in hell for those who harm children. I hope that this bastard is screaming in agony wherever his miserable soul ended up.

TKindred on December 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Of course. Never let a crisis go to waste…

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Never a doubt, like I predicted, up thread.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM

He would not have done as much damage in my county in MS. We have an officer assigned to each school, who spends time on campus each day, and most everyone has a gun in their car.

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM

lester on December 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Thank you Lesster. Obama Descriptive Sentence. Feel free to use it at any user edited internet dictionary, and maybe you can submit it to Websters for their print edition.

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Why yes they actually do… Geez, this kid was a nut who apparently used Mama’s guns to kill her and a class of 5 year olds.

Illinidiva on December 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM

The communists have been going after guns for ages… We have thousands of gun laws on the books… They can add ten thousands more… What they cannot do is to prevent anyone from purchasing and owning a gun no matter how hard they try… It is impossible at least for the communists to force 38 states to abolish the second amendment, or have two third of Congress do so…

mnjg on December 14, 2012 at 3:40 PM

And we all know what happens when only the communists in control also control the guns?

redguy on December 14, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Did anyone notice that he managed to give the nation ‘the finger’ as he he wiped away an invisible tear?

I didn’t see bho, but I feel sure he will be on numerous times so I can look for that! I still won’t listen to him, can not stand his voice.

My heart aches so much for the parents of those little ones killed and all the others killed by the murderer.
L

letget on December 14, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Another success story from the “participation ribbon” generation…or “take a pill for what ails you” faction…

Absolutely sickening…

And there is no one who bashes Obama more than me, but cut him some slack here as he is a parent of two…I was the SWAT dispatcher for the Columbine HS situation and had 2 kids in the school district at the time, so I can relate to the pain of relating your kids to the tragedy…

hillsoftx on December 14, 2012 at 3:47 PM

RIP little ones you didn’t deserve this. No one deserves this. Satan is at work in this country. God have mercy on their souls and grant the victims peace

unseen on December 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Things like this are what make a wretched agnostic like myself hope for a Heaven, those tiny tykes deserve more than blank oblivion.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:47 PM

20 kids dead per Fox, 2 died in the hospital.

JPeterman on December 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Doesn’t Ct have very tough gun laws?

unseen on December 14, 2012 at 3:43 PM

So does DC and Chicago – the highest murder rates are where the toughest gun laws are. Go figure.
In this instance I would not imagine that a Kindergarden teacher or her students would be packing.
The killer was a coward and preyed on the most innocent.

redguy on December 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I wish these deranged a-holes would just take themselves out and leave everyone else alone. Mental illness alone does not explain shooting up a kindergarten class, or a camp as in Norway…it’s evil, pure and simple.

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Come on this is how the LEFT works.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM

The 20 little coffins will haunt me for life. This is a national tragedy. Unbelievable.

portlandon on December 14, 2012 at 3:50 PM

The killer was a coward and preyed on the most innocent.

redguy on December 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I would hope everybody can agree on that.

cozmo on December 14, 2012 at 3:50 PM

So disgusting. Anyone watching the “Governor of CT’s speech?” This sounds more like a political rally.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

That is the lesson of Sandy. Even if you are an awful leader, if you pretend to be a leader when the situation calls for it, your awful record will be forgiven.

milcus on December 14, 2012 at 3:51 PM

And we all know what happens when only the communists in control also control the guns?

redguy on December 14, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Yes, total slavery…

mnjg on December 14, 2012 at 3:51 PM

I pick this one for the definition of ODS in any and all dictionaries.

lester on December 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

I pick you for the definition of imbecile.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM

U.S. Rep. Rush Holt also released a statement, urging a discusson on ways to bring gun violence under control.

“We can’t just keep saying, ‘Our hearts ache for the victims and their families.’ We have to bring gun violence under control.

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM

And what exactly does he propose we do? “Bring gun violence under control”? How? They already have safety mechanisms and this wasn’t an accidental shooting anyway. The guns were reportedly registered to the shooter’s mother, so stricter restrictions on gun licenses wouldn’t have made a difference here either. I’d love to hear the left’s brilliant cure all for this that doesn’t involve confiscating every gun in the nation(and let’s be honest, that’s exactly what they want).

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM

“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.

- George Mason, co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …”

- Richard Henry Lee, writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”

- Zachariah Johnson, Elliot’s Debates, vol. 3 “The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution.”

“… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms”

- Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2 Article on the Bill of Rights

“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …”

- Samuel Adams, Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State”

“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”

- George Washington, First President of the United States

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”

- Richard Henry Lee, American Statesman, 1788

“The great object is that every man be armed.” and “Everyone who is able may have a gun.”

- Patrick Henry, American Patriot

“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”

- Patrick Henry, American Patriot

“Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”

- Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States

“The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … “

- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

“The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”

- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8

“One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them.”

- Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson

“We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”

- Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824

“No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”

- Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.

Gun control advocates always point to the word “militia” in the Second Amendment as proof that the Founders would support gun control laws. That contention is not supported by the historical documents. As the Founders continually acknowledged, A MILITIA IS THE WHOLE OF THE PEOPLE. In fact, in the Second MILITIA Act of 1792, ALL able-bodied, white men over the age of 18 were required to possess a gun.

Resist We Much on December 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Did anyone notice that he managed to give the nation ‘the finger’ as he he wiped away an invisible tear?

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

On top of giving us ‘the finger’, he also takes every opportunity to display his golden islamic terror ring.

Pork-Chop on December 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Gun Crime Soars in England Where Guns Are Banned
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/11/gun-crime-soars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-n1464528

The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Southern by choice22 on December 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Adam Lanza is the shooter, age 20.
Parents are divorced. Father in NJ, mother in CT.
sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM

I hope we’re not going to get a repeat here of people running to Facebook and Twitter to accuse innocent people who’s only crime is sharing the same names with the misc suspects.

whatcat on December 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

redguy on December 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM

yes seems the shooter didn’t notice the signs proclaiming the are a gun free zone. Imagine that.

We combat this tradgedy in the wrong way bith left and right are wrong. the left says get rid of guns, the right says more guys. But IMO the answer is get rid of satan and have more bibles. Moral people do not mass murder their offspring.

unseen on December 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Prayers ascending for all the victims and their families. May God bless and protect the souls of those who were killed, heal the injured, and may He comfort all those who grieve.

AZCoyote on December 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM

So terribly sad right now. Words fail. Must pray.

txmomof6 on December 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM

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That speaks for all of us (at least those that believe in God).

listens2glenn on December 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM

So disgusting. Anyone watching the “Governor of CT’s speech?” This sounds more like a political rally.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Apparently you don’t remember the Wellstone wake. As we speak there are demorats and liberals of every stripe gleefully counting the bodies and calculating exactly how much political hay they can produce.

Me, I’m going to hug my kids so tight that their ribs crack, then again I’m not a leftist ghoul.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:55 PM

So disgusting. Anyone watching the “Governor of CT’s speech?” This sounds more like a political rally.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

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Scumbag In Chief putting his 2 cents in also – Shut Up Barky and get on with your Hawaiian vacation already.

What a dishonest creep he is.

FlaMurph on December 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Things like this are what make a wretched agnostic like myself hope for a Heaven, those tiny tykes deserve more than blank oblivion.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Yep; their killer deserves something more than blank oblivion too. And I hope all of the ghoulish politicians jockeying for face time and political capital and agenda pushing also find a place there to keep him company.

Midas on December 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

I hope we’re not going to get a repeat here of people running to Facebook and Twitter to accuse innocent people who’s only crime is sharing the same names with the misc suspects.

whatcat on December 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Even worse, it seems the originally named suspect was misidentified.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Now the speculation is his girlfriend was the teacher.

Everyone needs to read Ace.

http://minx.cc/?post=335690

budfox on December 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Me, I’m going to hug my kids so tight that their ribs crack, then again I’m not a leftist ghoul.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Amen.

Tim_CA on December 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

When Romney spoke out on Bengazi it was “exploiting a tragedy.” When reporters and politicians talk about this it’s what?

Once more, the only thing the left loves nothing more than using death and fear to push their agenda is using outrage to keep us from analyzing their agenda.

29Victor on December 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Fox is saying the perp’s girlfriend and one of her friends are also missing.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM

You guys are easily fooled at 0bama’s ‘emotional speech’.

Did anyone notice that he managed to give the nation ‘the finger’ as he he wiped away an invisible tear?

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

I pick this one for the definition of ODS in any and all dictionaries.

lester, it’s time for your violin lesson! on December 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Please define “BDS” for us. And then tell us why that was so very different.

-2

Del Dolemonte on December 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM

it’s evil, pure and simple.

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM

yeap. For those that don’t believe in Evil take a good look. It is staring you in the face today. Pure evil And people will blame an inanimate object and continue to reject the truth. YOu fight evil with good not with more guns nor with more gun control.

unseen on December 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM

I hope we’re not going to get a repeat here of people running to Facebook and Twitter to accuse innocent people who’s only crime is sharing the same names with the misc suspects.

whatcat on December 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

We will. A lot of people and m3edia outlets have embarrassed themselves by trying to be “first” with finding out all they could about the guy. Meanwhile, the people they’re falsely accusing are screwed. I like her, but Katie Pavlich was tweeting out twitter updates of at least two people that weren’t the shooter. Insane.

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM

GFY you stupid clown.

wargamer6 on December 14, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Your “intelligence” is leaking.

lester on December 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM

budfox on December 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

I posted that link in the other thread but the news has changed since Ace posted it and he has not updated it nor posted again on this topic.

I doubt the story will be completely straight until tomorrow.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 3:59 PM

The guns were reportedly registered to the shooter’s mother, so stricter restrictions on gun licenses wouldn’t have made a difference here either.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM

We can keep nutters from getting guns…just like we have kept nutters like North Korea from getting nuclear weapons!!!

I’d love to hear the left’s brilliant cure all for this that doesn’t involve confiscating every gun in the nation(and let’s be honest, that’s exactly what they want).

After we confiscate all guns, no American will ever have access to firearms again. I mean, look, we banned drugs and that’s been a smashing success! Also, we should be able to keep guns from being brought into the country just like we have done with people. Have you ever looked at our impermeably sealed borders and ports? Dude, we are so like hermetically sealed. A ban would definitely work!

Resist We Much on December 14, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Apparently you don’t remember the Wellstone wake. As we speak there are demorats and liberals of every stripe gleefully counting the bodies and calculating exactly how much political hay they can produce.

Me, I’m going to hug my kids so tight that their ribs crack, then again I’m not a leftist ghoul.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I don’t remember the Wellstone wake, maybe I was too young. But I know how the LEFT operate, they use any and all tragedies to push their policy objectives. As you’ve seen the LEFT is already rushing out to use this to advance gun control. They have no soul or moral compass.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Apparently you don’t remember the Wellstone wake. As we speak there are demorats and liberals of every stripe gleefully counting the bodies and calculating exactly how much political hay they can produce.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Don’t forget the Tucson shootings. They were blaming Sarah Palin and the Tea Party before the shooter had even been identified. Then they used the memorial ceremony as an Obama campaign event, complete with tacky T-shirts.

AZCoyote on December 14, 2012 at 3:59 PM

I hope we’re not going to get a repeat here of people running to Facebook and Twitter to accuse innocent people who’s only crime is sharing the same names with the misc suspects.

whatcat on December 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

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Only if the democommies can link anyone to the Tea Party – regardless how obscure it may even be – will you have a repeat of their propagandist tendencies.
Right Matt?

FlaMurph on December 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM

The killer was a coward and preyed on the most innocent.

redguy on December 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I would hope everybody can agree on that.

cozmo on December 14, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Indeed

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Me, I’m going to hug my kids so tight that their ribs crack, then again I’m not a leftist ghoul.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Take it easy. My mother-in-law has several cracked ribs from a fall recently. It’s not pleasant.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Scumbag In Chief putting his 2 cents in also – Shut Up Barky and get on with your Hawaiian vacation already.

What a dishonest creep he is.

FlaMurph on December 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Every tragedy is an opportunity for a photo op for Obama. He is pure souless scum.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Now the speculation is his girlfriend was the teacher.
Everyone needs to read Ace.
budfox on December 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Yes, because what we really need now is more speculation.

whatcat on December 14, 2012 at 4:01 PM

When Romney spoke out on Bengazi it was “exploiting a tragedy.” When reporters and politicians talk about this it’s what?

Once more, the only thing the left loves nothing more than using death and fear to push their agenda is using outrage to keep us from analyzing their agenda.

29Victor on December 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Good point. They’d say the difference is he was running for office, while arguably the pols rushing to the mikes now aren’t actively doing, but they’re all exploiting it just as much as Romney supposedly was RE Benghazi.

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Scumbag In Chief putting his 2 cents in also – Shut Up Barky and get on with your Hawaiian vacation already.

What a dishonest creep he is.

FlaMurph on December 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Every tragedy is an opportunity for a photo op for Obama. He is pure souless scum.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM
——

Wow.

You guys are f*cking jackasses.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

GFY you stupid clown.

wargamer6 on December 14, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Your “intelligence” is leaking.

lester, it’s time for your violin lesson! on December 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Translated: Direct Hit!

A+

Del Dolemonte on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Don’t forget the Tucson shootings. They were blaming Sarah Palin and the Tea Party before the shooter had even been identified. Then they used the memorial ceremony as an Obama campaign event, complete with tacky T-shirts.

AZCoyote on December 14, 2012 at 3:59 PM

The LEFT is souless, to them a tragedy is an “opportunity.” They are pure scum.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

So disgusting. Anyone watching the “Governor of CT’s speech?” This sounds more like a political rally.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

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Apparently you don’t remember the Wellstone wake. As we speak there are demorats and liberals of every stripe gleefully counting the bodies and calculating exactly how much political hay they can produce.

Me, I’m going to hug my kids so tight that their ribs crack, then again I’m not a leftist ghoul.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:55 PM

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After the Paul Wellstone “memorial service”, it has become impossible for the Liberals to surprise me. Just when you think you’ve found the lowest any human would ever go, they move the bar lower, still.

listens2glenn on December 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

lester, it’s time for your violin lesson! on December 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Barky’s pathetic display of scripted, contrived emotion was offensive, as are you.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Wow.

You guys are f*cking jackasses.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

GFY loser.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Did anyone notice that he managed to give the nation ‘the finger’ as he he wiped away an invisible tear?

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

I’ll give him BOD on this. It is probably a habit developed in his youth. What started out as a “clever” way to give his elders the finger is now a normal action without intent.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on December 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Twitter feed of NBC News’ Luke Russert:

Frm @PeteWilliamsNBC Everybody in killer’s mom classroom was killed

His kindergarten teacher Mother was killed first in front of the entire classroom of her students — then he murdered the entire classroom of kindergarten students. One at a time. The entire class.

SD Tom on December 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Wow.

You guys are f*cking jackasses.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Just imitating the Left like they did with Bush.

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Trollcott? Just like politicians are going to exploit this tragedy for political gain trolls are going to exploit it to fulfill whatever sick trolly needs they harbor.

Let them troll tomorrow, not today.

29Victor on December 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM

I don’t remember the Wellstone wake, maybe I was too young.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:59 PM

You missed the indecency of the leftists booging the R contingent when they entered the room. It was just one indecency. It went down hill from there. The people, incl. the decent Ds were so enraged that they voted their guy off at the election which followed.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Wow.

You guys are f*cking jackasses.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

.
GFY loser.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

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The ‘projection’ stops with you, does it Dave’ ?

listens2glenn on December 14, 2012 at 4:06 PM

You guys are f*cking jackasses.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Oh, look – Jackasstimus prime.

Midas on December 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Wow.

You guys are f*cking jackasses.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

…from the eternal embodiment of ‘decency’ from the left. You are so non-egalitarian and unenlightened that it’s not even funny.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM

+1

It is very evident that he has no soul and no empathy. Remember the comments of the mother of one of those killed in the Benghazi attacks, talking about how cold Obama was in his nominal attempt to “console” the victim’s mother.

And we’re stuck with this sociopath P O S, S O B because Godless morons like lester outvoted us.

Right Mover on December 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Update (AP): At the White House, Carney wisely decides to punt the inevitable gun-control debate to next week.

Because they know that they can wait to milk this crisis….. and they know that another is going to be coming along soon enough.

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

The ‘projection’ NEVER stops with you, does it Dave’ ?

listens2glenn
on December 14, 2012 at 4:06 PM

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Fixed it. (how embarrassing)

listens2glenn on December 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

I don’t remember the Wellstone wake, maybe I was too young.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Think of the Arizona meme-orial with the “Together We Thrive” t-shirts and pep rally yelping and applause to address a shooting. About the same. Despicable. Disgusting. And just totally insane and ghoulish.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

I’ll give him BOD on this. It is probably a habit developed in his youth. What started out as a “clever” way to give his elders the finger is now a normal action without intent.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on December 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Except, it was alleged in 2008 that he only did it 3 times during the campaign. Once to Hillary and twice to McCain (or the right, generally), iirc.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Twitter feed of NBC News’ Luke Russert:

Frm @PeteWilliamsNBC Everybody in killer’s mom classroom was killed

His kindergarten teacher Mother was killed first in front of the entire classroom of her students — then he murdered the entire classroom of kindergarten students. One at a time. The entire class.

SD Tom on December 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Oh my GOD. I can’t think about this, OH MY GOD.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

All those children who won’t be coming home from school today, all those households forever a little emptier. All those other families of the adults, and the sorrow of all those extended families. How many children will fear returning to school for a long time after this?

But what do we get? Posturing politicians, puff pieces on Obama’s statement that will overshadow the tragedy, Hollywood liberals making themselves part of the story for free advertising, and trolls coming here to annoy people with the same tired rhetoric we have heard thousands of times before.

I find myself angrier at all of those people than I am of the vermin who did the killings.

Liam on December 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Twitter feed of NBC News’ Luke Russert:

Frm @PeteWilliamsNBC Everybody in killer’s mom classroom was killed

His kindergarten teacher Mother was killed first in front of the entire classroom of her students — then he murdered the entire classroom of kindergarten students. One at a time. The entire class.

SD Tom on December 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM

This is just pure evil. Dude went Anakin on a class of 5 year-old kids. You can’t legislate this away.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

RIP little ones you didn’t deserve this. No one deserves this. Satan is at work in this country. God have mercy on their souls and grant the victims peace

unseen on December 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

..THREE TIMES THEY SAID NO TO GOD!

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

After the Paul Wellstone “memorial service”, it has become impossible for the Liberals to surprise me.

“Stand up!!”

Right Mover on December 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I don’t remember the Wellstone wake, maybe I was too young. But I know how the LEFT operate, they use any and all tragedies to push their policy objectives. As you’ve seen the LEFT is already rushing out to use this to advance gun control. They have no soul or moral compass.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:59 PM

The communists have been for ever using each shooting tragedy to advocate gun controls so nothing new under the sun… In fact they wrote thousands of guns control laws and they are going to write thousands more guns control laws… However at the end they will never be able to take our right to bear guns away from us because they need 38 states or two third of Congress to abolish the second amendment and there is no way it is going to happen… In fact in each election many of these communists running for office (including their presidential candidates) try to hide their hate for the guns and would not dare to mention more restriction on guns…

mnjg on December 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

If the comments on this website after a tragedy like this are any indication, then HotAir has truly become a cesspit for the most vile, pathetic, bitter, politically entrenched, self-reverential losers on the Internet.

How many more of you are going to call the President scum for speaking to a grieving nation? Who else is going to mock him for his emotion?

Nonfactor on December 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Oh my GOD. I can’t think about this, OH MY GOD.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Then don’t. Take an hour off. The story keeps changing at the moment anyway.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Wow.

You guys are f*cking jackasses.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Says a f*cking jackass.

Bitter Clinger on December 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Wow.

You guys are f*cking jackasses.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

…from the eternal embodiment of ‘decency’ from the left. You are so non-egalitarian and unenlightened that it’s not even funny.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM
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Pissing your pants saying Obama is milking this for a photo opp is beyond c*nty.

You know this.

Get your head out of your ass.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM

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