Shooter identified in Connecticut, may have targeted his teacher mother; Update: Shooter killed himself, reports of missing girlfriend; Update: Shooter misidentified; Update: “Personality disorder”? Update: Mother shot at home? Update: Guns legally bought by mother

posted at 3:01 pm on December 14, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

CNN reports the suspect is Ryan Lanza, a white male in his early 20s. He died in the school, but it’s unclear how he died. CBS News is reporting he’s from the Newtown area, his mother had been living in the area, and some students killed may have been students of his mother, who taught at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

[Updated at 2:11 p.m. ET] CNN’s Susan Candiotti has just reported that a law enforcement official tells her the suspect is named Ryan Lanza and he is in his 20s.

I will not be showing a picture of the shooter because it appears that many, many news outlets and thousands of tweeters distributed the photo of the first Ryan Lanza they found on Facebook, and it was not the correct Ryan Lanza. Tweets a man claiming to be the friend of the incorrectly identified Lanza:

https://twitter.com/Fletch788/status/279668466150166528

I’ll just stand by on this because it’s all very uncertain and I really do not want to accuse anyone other than the actual Ryan Lanza of committing this horrible crime.

I want to be careful about all of this, because details remain hazy, but I will just tell you who’s reporting what and reinforce that reports are preliminary and may change.

CBS News says it has confirmed that Lanza’s mother was a teacher at the school and was killed, but it’s unclear whether she died on school grounds. There were reports earlier in the day that his mother might have been killed in a home connected to the shooter, but CBS is now reporting there is a body at the home connected with the suspect.

The NYT:

The gunman, who was believed to be in his 20s, walked into a classroom where his mother was a teacher. He shot and killed her and then shot 18 students in the classroom. He also shot seven other adults.The gunman then killed himself inside the school. The shooting ranks among the worst in recent United States history.

Update: From local news in Newtown:

The gunman delilberately went to Sandy Hook Elementary School with the intention of killing his mother who was a kindergarten teacher at the school, according to NBC Channel 4.

According to the report, the gunman left a Hoboken, NJ home where there apparently is a victim. It is believed that the gunman then went to Sandy Hook where his mother worked as a teacher and began shooting near the principal’s office. The shooter then went to his mother’s kindergarten classroom and killed her and her students, according to the report.

Update: AP reports police have Ryan Lanza’s brother in custody, but unclear whether it’s just to gather information or as connected in some way.

Update: The President will speak at 3:15 p.m. at the White House, addressing the nation.

Update: With the shooter’s body inside the school, police found two handguns. One was a Sig Sauer, the other a Glock 9mm. In his vehicle, police found a .223 caliber rifle, according to CBS News reporting.

Update: Livestream of the president’s statement will be here. Connecticut Gov. Malloy will speak this afternoon, also. Flags have been ordered to half-staff at the Capitol:

Update: Fox reports they have a source saying both the shooter’s mother and father are dead.

A source told Fox News that Lanza’s mother and father, who were divorced, were also killed. It’s not clear whether Lanza’s mother, a teacher at the school, was killed there or at another location.

Update: AP reports an official saying Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend are missing.

The official also said Ryan Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said the suspect is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Update: In a second press conference, Gov. Malloy said “the perpetrator of the crime is dead as is an individual who the perpetrator lived with.”

Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police reported that 18 children were pronounced dead at the scene, two at local hospitals, and six adults were killed. There was one person injured. Vance also said there’s a secondary crime scene in Newtown with an additional “adult victim” at that scene.

Update (AP): There’s a major conflict in news reports right now. According to the New York Post, the shooter’s name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan. Ryan is his brother and is being questioned by police but, per the Post, is not a suspect. The AP, however, says it is indeed Ryan who’s the shooter and that his brother is the one who’s being questioned. Needless to say, treat every last bit of news about this story as unconfirmed for the next several hours.

And judging from my Twitter feed, it’d be wise to stay away from social media altogether.

Update (AP): At the White House, Carney wisely decides to punt the inevitable gun-control debate to next week.

Update (AP): Looks like the Post might have been right about the shooter’s identity. Cops now say the shooter was 20 and that his older brother is being questioned. Adam Lanza is the younger brother according to the NYP.

Update (AP): Fearless prediction, as Twitter fills up with angry liberals pounding the table about gun control: As the story comes out, we’ll find out that the guy responsible displayed many, many signs of mental illness over the past year or so and that they were all but ignored by virtually everyone around him.

Update (AP): Yep, even the AP is now naming Adam, not Ryan, Lanza as the shooter. If Ryan’s blameless in all this, his newly hellish existence got a bit more hellish today thanks to the media.

Reuters claims that another Lanza brother is dead at the family home.

Update (AP): The AP says three guns were found at the scene: A Glock pistol, a Sig Sauer pistol, and a .223 rifle.

Update (AP): This cuts to it:

And this:

Update (AP): Ace is right that the typical mass murderer is a mentally-ill sad-sack loser who’s bad at work, bad with women, and who finally snaps in frustration at his own momentous loserdom. Usually it’s a break-up or a pink slip that sets him off and usually the targets are strangers. Not this time, though: The shooter’s just 20 years old and he went to the trouble of driving to his mother’s school to kill her — and 20 kids — after allegedly killing other family members at home. That’s an odd combination of specific and random targeting. What exactly was the crux of this guy’s grudge?

Update (AP): For what it’s worth:

Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a “personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as “odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Update (AP): The list. Imagine.

“The teachers wrote down the names of all the children,’’ said Monsignor. Robert Weiss, the pastor at St. Rose of Lima in Newtown. “The ones who were unaccounted for, those parents went to another room and wrote their names on a list.”

“It was around, obviously,” he added, “the number that passed away.”

Update (AP): Nightmarish details from People magazine, who spoke to a mother of one of the students at the school:

According to the woman, the shooter, who is confirmed dead at the scene “went into the [principal's] office, started arguing, and he killed people in the office,” before going into a classroom.

Another parent visiting the school at the time tells PEOPLE he “could hear shots in the hall and glass breaking.” And an NPR interview with one of the school’s teachers revealed that the school’s PA system was on the whole time, amplifying the shots throughout the school.

Update (AP): Against all odds, the shooting continues to get more bizarre:

The shooter, who sources identified as Adam Lanza, 20, shot his mother in the face at their home in Newtown, Conn., then went to nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School where she taught and gunned down her entire class, according to sources…

Vance also said that a “deceased adult” was found at a “secondary crime scene,” though he declined to elaborate.

The thinking until now was that he had some sort of insane grudge against mom that led him to follow her to school, kill her in the classroom, and then open fire on the kids around her as collateral damage. Not so, if Fox’s sources are right. His mother was already dead at home before anything happened at the school. For whatever lunatic reason, after killing her he felt obliged to get in his car, drive down there, and then start shooting at kindergarteners.

The other mystery is who the “deceased adult” was at the other “secondary crime scene.” Reuters reported earlier that it was Lanza’s brother, but cops now say no. Who was it?

Update (AP): Info on the guns from Fox News, per Johnny Dollar:

Update (AP): CNN backs up Fox’s report that the guns were legally purchased by Lanza’s mother, and claims that the rifle was found in the trunk of a car parked at the school. Did he only use the two pistols during his attack, or did he have the rifle out at some point before returning it to the car? And if he didn’t have it out, why not? Seems like, if you’re of a mind to commit a mass shooting, you’d want to use the biggest weapon you have.

Like Greg Pollowitz, I’m eager to hear the progressive policy solution to a nutcase stealing his law-abiding mother’s legally-bought guns.

Update (AP): I’m clicking around on Connecticut’s judicial website of gun regulations to see how many violations this guy is probably guilty of under current law. After a cursory five-minute search, I’ve got at least 10. One: Assuming mom didn’t lend him the two pistols and rifle, he’s guilty of three counts of theft. Two: He’s guilty of three counts of possessing a weapon on school grounds. Three: He may be guilty of two counts of criminal possession of a pistol or revolver. Lanza reportedly had a “checkered past” and had been a “troubled youth for most of his life.” We don’t know how checkered because his juvenile records are sealed, but if he was “convicted as delinquent for the commission of a serious juvenile offense” then that’s two more violations, one for possessing each pistol. Four: Per NBC, concealed-carry permits aren’t granted to anyone in Connecticut under the age of 21. That means two more violations for the 20-year-old Lanza for carrying the two pistols. (You don’t need a permit to carry a rifle.) Oh, and if Wikipedia is accurate, Connecticut police are fully entitled to seize weapons in someone’s possession without a warrant if they have probable cause that the suspect is mentally unstable or likely to commit a crime. Go surf around on the gun-laws site and see what else you find. There’s probably stuff I missed.

The obvious objection to all of this is that none of these laws would have kept the guns out of Lanza’s hands. They’re all useful in prosecuting a killer after the fact, not in stopping him beforehand. In that case, what’s the solution? You can’t ban Nancy Lanza from owning a pistol; she has a constitutional right, per the Supreme Court’s Heller decision. Ban Glocks and Sig Sauers, then? Ban any family from owning more than one weapon? Ban any family from owning a weapon if the state determines that a member of the family seems a little too eccentric for comfort?

Update (AP): Mary Katharine e-mails with thoughts:

From earlier, in the second presser, Lt. Vance said two handguns were found w the body and the rifle in the car.

A couple points. If you were of a mind to go into a school w guns concealed somehow–as he might have, considering this started apparently w an altercation in the office instead of going straight to the classroom–you’d likely wanna just carry the two handguns. The rifle would limit mobility and couldn’t be concealed and the handguns would give you plenty of rounds and portability.

Also of interest, if the mom’s rifle was indeed legally purchased, that means it’s NOT an “assault weapon” unless she had it purchased and registered pre-1993. CT bans “assault weapons,” so both that fact and the fact hers likely wasn’t one makes the call for Assault Weapons Ban reinstatement pretty tendentious, right?

Update (AP): Good lord. Lanza’s father learned what his son had done … from a reporter:

“Is there something I can do for you?” he said.

When the reporter told Lanza his address had been linked to the shooting in Newtown, Conn., on the other side of Fairfield County, he “took the news as a blow — his face turning from patient to surprised and horrified” before declining to comment, rolling up his window and driving into the garage, according to the Hearst Connecticut report.


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Madness.

Robert_Paulson on December 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

The horror of it all.

rob verdi on December 14, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Prayers…

What else is there to say?

How horrible.

turfmann on December 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Prayers for the families of the victims.

chemman on December 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

The President will speak at 3:15 p.m. at the White House, addressing the nation.

Never let a crisis go to waste?

EA_MAN on December 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Update: The President will speak at 3:15 p.m. at the White House, addressing the nation.

Will he take questions? I kid, I kid.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

horrific. God help all of those involved.

ted c on December 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Don’t you just love Facebook

Idiots

cmsinaz on December 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Fox has reported that his father was killed as well.

Patriot Vet on December 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Lostmotherland
Since you insist on troubling everyone with your presence here.

Please explain why most of these tragedies have only occurred recently?

Repeating firearms have existed for over 150 years – the Colt revolver for example.

So please enlighten as to why those kind of massacres didn’t occur 150… 120.. 100 years ago?

Finally, please explain why these tragedies didn’t occur back when select fire – fully automatic weaponry were easily available?

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Hell why don’t you get the douchbag to explain to you why these recent mass killings are mainly happening in blue states, CO, OR and CT. Must just be a coincidence.

bbinfl on December 14, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Good point.

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

What a terrible mess, and of course the left is going to jump off the bridge in responding to it.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Gads, I hope this doesn’t turn into the mess the other thread has become dealing with this horror? Some nasty posts, IMO!

Again, I pray for all those killed, those wounded, and all family members and friends of those killed.

I sure hope bho doesn’t turn this into a gun control issue, this IS NOT the time for that!
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letget on December 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

:(

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

What a terrible mess, and of course the left is going to jump off the bridge in responding to it.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

They are always misguided.

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Fox has reported that his father was killed as well.

Patriot Vet on December 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Sounds like a murder-suicide with those poor kids caught in the middle of it.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

All I can think of is those poor little kids alone in that classroom with him after he shot his mother. I hope there is a Hell just so he can burn in it forever.

JeremiahJohnson on December 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

I sure hope bho doesn’t turn this into a gun control issue, this IS NOT the time for that!
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letget on December 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Did you just wake up from a coma? Think back to Giffords being shot and the outrageous crap issuing from every demorat in existence. You can bet your socks that Mr. ExecutiveOrder will have something to say.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Don’t you just love Facebook

Idiots

cmsinaz on December 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Yet another benefit in not using FB. Helps avoid being wrongly accused of heinous crimes committed by others.

whatcat on December 14, 2012 at 3:13 PM

All I can think of is those poor little kids alone in that classroom with him after he shot his mother. I hope there is a Hell just so he can burn in it forever.

JeremiahJohnson on December 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

You and me both. What those little tykes went through…makes me sad in ways that there aren’t words to describe.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Sorry to sound insensitive, but it seems every tragedy is a “photo op” for the police chief, governor, president. I am tired up to my neck, of politicians co-opting tragedies for photo ops

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Chris Matthews, et al – “Dammit – isn’t there ANY WAY we can connect this guy to the Teabaggers?”

Harbingeing on December 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

What a terrible mess, and of course the left is going to jump off the bridge in responding to it.

Yes – an unbelievable tragedy. The Left will compound the lunacy of one person by orders of magnitude.

EA_MAN on December 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Yep. First, the phoney words of comfort, and then, the wailfull cry for gun control.

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

He did target his mother and his father. What will we find out later about the internal dynamics of that family?

platypus on December 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Someone on the other thread reported that Carney has already dropped hints of it.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Awful just awful.

gophergirl on December 14, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Kindergarteners. 5 year olds.

The capacity for evil never ceases to amaze…

JohnGalt23 on December 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

So is this Sarah Palin’s fault, Karl Rove’s fault, or Dick Cheney’s fault?

Galtian on December 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

The media is now hyping Obama’s appearance. “A monumental speech, a tough day for the President, blah blah..

Such a transparent attempt to use the tragedy for his own gains. It’s unbelievable. Every tragedy is a photo op for him. Like Rahm Emanuel said never let a tragedy go to waste.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

You can bet your socks that Mr. ExecutiveOrder will have something to say.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Absolutely.

He’ll probably strike at fever pitch too with some outrageous compound EO that is appallingly unconstitutional.

CorporatePiggy on December 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

This guy has now perfected crying on demand. WE are trouble folks. He is coming after the guns in a big way. We must fight what’s coming with every fiber of our being or we will lose this nation!

milemarker2020 on December 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Why is he speaking? He has nothing to add except to make a cheap political attack on the Second Amendment.

Blake on December 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Yet another benefit in not using FB. Helps avoid being wrongly accused of heinous crimes committed by others.

whatcat on December 14, 2012 at 3:13 PM

If you have not been hurt by FB or Twitter, you will…not you, but anyone who’s on.

———-

Someone on the other thread reported that Carney has already dropped hints of it.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Every time Carney or Obama speak, Goebbels orgasms in his grave.

Both will use incredible tragedy to score points.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

F*ck you. Msybe if someone you loved was hurt by guns mothers you’d be a bit more compassionate. Go f*ck yourself.
 
lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

 

F*ck you. Msybe if someone you loved was hurt by guns teachers you’d be a bit more compassionate. Go f*ck yourself.
 
lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

 
Assuming the same rules still apply from the other thread.

rogerb on December 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

This brings back the Thurston High School mass murder here in Oregon in 1998. Kip Kinkel, who’s parents were teachers, murdered his parents at home, then went to school and started killing students and teachers.

The victims being so young in today’s killings puts an extremely tragic tone to this.

portlandon on December 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

The media is now hyping Obama’s appearance. “A monumental speech, a tough day for the President, blah blah..

Such a transparent attempt to use the tragedy for his own gains. It’s unbelievable. Every tragedy is a photo op for him. Like Rahm Emanuel said never let a tragedy go to waste.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

They leave out that is he were a god, he’d have prevented this…wait, they imply that he would have, if not for you…

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Rahm Emanuel’s playbook executed perfectly “Never let a tragedy go to waste”

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Such a transparent attempt to use the tragedy for his own gains. It’s unbelievable. Every tragedy is a photo op for him. Like Rahm Emanuel said never let a tragedy go to waste.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I think a statement from the president is expected in a situation like this.

Moreover, I expect he will attempt to appear statesmanlike and not say anything political. What is more important is what he does tomorrow.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Did the Chief of Jackasses give a proper shout out first?

txhsmom on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Why in hell is President O giving a special tv comment on this? He didn’t do that after Benghazi-run to quickly address that tragedy in a televised PC.

kit9 on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Did Obama actually just hint at a renewed push for stricter gun control (“take action, regardless of the politics”), or am I reading to much into those words?

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Good point.

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Another point is that almost all the high casualty counts happen where the lunatic is the only person who has a gun, by design, because they are gun free zones or at the very least people who bring guns are stigmatized and likely fired.

Why are our must vulnerable citizens, children left in such a defenseless state.

I think this has finally convinced the wife as to why we will not be allowing our child to go to school.

astonerii on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Props to Bark for a fairly innocuous speech and focusing on supporting the families of the victims.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Why is this tool NOT banned yet??

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

He overdid the emotion, but didn’t say anything ridiculous, but don’t hold your kids closer tonight, but your guns too. And if you haven’t purchase one already, you better do so while you still have the chance, given these weak kneed republicans we have in office today.

milemarker2020 on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

This guy has now perfected crying on demand. WE are trouble folks. He is coming after the guns in a big way. We must fight what’s coming with every fiber of our being or we will lose this nation!

milemarker2020 on December 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Maybe he can ship all the guns south of the border.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Unfortunately. Like Michael Dougles said in “The American President”:

I’m coming for the guns.

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Monster
Prayers for the victims and their families. How horrible.

Buttercup on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Update: The President will speak at 3:15 p.m. at the White House, addressing the nation.

Wonder if he’ll give a “shout out” to someone the same way he did on the day of the Fort Hood massacre.

Bitter Clinger on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

What did Obama just say? the audio kept cutting out on me…

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

I thought Obama gave a good presentation.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

The media is now hyping Obama’s appearance. “A monumental speech, a tough day for the President, blah blah..

Such a transparent attempt to use the tragedy for his own gains. It’s unbelievable. Every tragedy is a photo op for him. Like Rahm Emanuel said never let a tragedy go to waste.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

How the hell is it a tough day for him? He didn’t have a child murdered or a parent, sister, brother, friend.

I can’t stand our lapdog media – they make me want to wretch.

gophergirl on December 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

So is this Sarah Palin’s fault, Karl Rove’s fault, or Dick Cheney’s fault?

Galtian on December 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I think the Koch brothers are filling that role right now for the Left.

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Wolf Blitzer now hyping Obama’s speech “The most emotionally touching speech I’ve ever seen” “The best speech of his presidency”

Sickening.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

People need to keep an eye on what else happens today. This is really the ultimate Friday news dump opportunity.

Mark1971 on December 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Wolf Blitzer now hyping Obama’s speech “The most emotionally touching speech I’ve ever seen” “The best speech of his presidency”

Sickening.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

I repeat they make me want to wretch.

gophergirl on December 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Did Obama actually just hint at a renewed push for stricter gun control (“take action, regardless of the politics”), or am I reading to much into those words?

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

No, your ears aren’t deceiving you. That’s exactly what he means. He must have taken lessons on faux crying from Bill Clinton.

TxAnn56 on December 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I never saw that movie, but Obama has already been working “behind the scenes” to get our guns.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Last day of school before Christmas. Presents hidden at home for those poor children. I weep for those children and parents.
Sad beyond words.

bluealice on December 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM

The gun control laws worked.

Guy shot off over 100 rounds, killed 27 people, and nobody took a shot at him.

Any comment from Bob Costas yet?

patch on December 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM

And Obama sheds crocodile tears for the political card for righteous justification for gun control.

Barf.

Skywise on December 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Props to Bark for a fairly innocuous speech and focusing on supporting the families of the victims.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

What you said, he did o.k. for a change.

JPeterman on December 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM

On Drudge right now:

“Parachutes seen descending over Connecticut, media sending in people to start looking for anything that can tie the shooter to the Tea Party, even if it’s only a can of Earl Gray in his pantry.”

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Presents hidden at home for those poor children. I weep for those children and parents.
Sad beyond words.

bluealice on December 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM

It is why I do not give special day presents on the special day. If you love someone, if you want to give them something, you just do.

astonerii on December 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM

I think a statement from the president is expected in a situation like this.

Issuing a statement is one thing. Giving a special televised statement is something else. He didn’t do that when his own troops were slaughtered at Fort Hood. The best he did on that tragic day was cram in a statement at an already scheduled event. And, he didn’t even address it off the top, he joked around and made shout outs first.

kit9 on December 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

He is coming after the guns in a big way. We must fight what’s coming with every fiber of our being or we will lose this nation!

milemarker2020 on December 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Molon Labe.

Buttercup on December 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

I repeat they make me want to wretch.

gophergirl on December 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

The media doesn’t care about the dead kids, they only care about how they can use this tragedy to further gun control or some other policy objective for the left. (See Bob Costas)

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Joe Stalin – “One death is a tragedy, One million a statistic”.

nimrod on December 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Another point is that almost all the high casualty counts happen where the lunatic is the only person who has a gun, by design, because they are gun free zones or at the very least people who bring guns are stigmatized and likely fired.

Why are our must vulnerable citizens, children left in such a defenseless state.

I think this has finally convinced the wife as to why we will not be allowing our child to go to school.

astonerii on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

And as always, the oppressives will “use” a tragedy like this to further their agenda of depriving the law-abiding of their right of self-defense – and it’ll only make things worse.

As it always does with the left.

Chip on December 14, 2012 at 3:27 PM

So did the shooter kill his father before going to the school to kill his mother and those children in her class..?

d1carter on December 14, 2012 at 3:27 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) – A law enforcement official says the suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is 24-year-old Ryan Lanza and that his younger brother is being held for questioning as a possible second shooter. The law enforcement officials said the boys mother, Nancy Lanza, works at the school as a teacher.

The official also said Ryan Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said the suspect is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

canditaylor68 on December 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

I repeat they make me want to wretch.

gophergirl on December 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

retch

gh on December 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

What pisses me off most is the fact that lawful CCW holders – who are equipped and ready to stop this sort of thing in its tracks – are barred from “gun-free” kill zones like this. Shooters like this know that in “gun-free” zones there’s nobody to shoot back at them, just soft easy targets. This makes me physically ill.

Harbingeing on December 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Did Obama actually just hint at a renewed push for stricter gun control (“take action, regardless of the politics”), or am I reading to much into those words?

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Never let a good crisis go to waste…

Wyznowski on December 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Props to Bark for a fairly innocuous speech and focusing on supporting the families of the victims.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Unfortunately, within 24 hours, his focus will shift and he will be using this tragedy for personal and political gain, as he always does.

Pork-Chop on December 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Unfortunately. Like Michael Dougles said in “The American President”:

I’m coming for the guns.

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

And he says that not more than 2 minutes after trashing his GOP rival for not wanting to uphold the Constitution.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Again I have to repeat myself. THE Media doesn’t care about this tragedy or the dead kids. They only care about co-opting this tragedy to smear conservatives, (any minute now, we’ll be hearing about how he was tied to the tea party), push gun control, and to make their boy king look “brave.” The LEFT has no morals, no soul, nothing.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Please do not feed the trolls…

They become dependent on handouts and then cannot fend for themselves…

PatriotRider on December 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Wolf Blitzer now hyping Obama’s speech “The most emotionally touching speech I’ve ever seen” “The best speech of his presidency”

Sickening.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Please tell me you forgot the /sarc tag…

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Harbingeing on December 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

He committed suicide. Trust me, the guy is going to get his just rewards. Of course, it would be much nicer to have had him suffer for a few decades here in a cell waiting for the needle or what ever they use up there.
If I were an atheist, I would certainly feel short changed on his easy out…

astonerii on December 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I know. The dude that wrote The West Wing, wrote it.

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Wolf Blitzer now hyping Obama’s speech “The most emotionally touching speech I’ve ever seen” “The best speech of his presidency”

Sickening.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

It wasn’t even a speech. It was a brief statement where he paused for dramatic effect.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM

I assume homeschooling may become more popular.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

You guys are easily fooled at 0bama’s ‘emotional speech’.

Did anyone notice that he managed to give the nation ‘the finger’ as he he wiped away an invisible tear?

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Watch for it tomorrow and going into next year. They are going to come after the guns, even though by definition a law abiding gun owner would never do such a thing and only is armed for self defense, sport, trade or collection.

To the Libs, heard of fighting fire with fire? Guns used by reckless criminals and lunatics to kill can only be defended against by an armed citizenry. If not, what other way? If God forbid you were in a gun violence situation, how do you think a police officer could intervene to help?

The police are people like everyone else! The only difference is that they have the power of law and wear a uniform, but the means to stop an assailant unloading his weapon would be the same…shoot the bastard down!

Guns don’t kill, crazy, heartless, despicable and diabolical people do. They take advantage of the innocent who are not arm in the full knowledge no one will oppose them in a gun free zone. That’s why these tragedies always happen in a school or a college campus. Where an assailant believes there is no one armed or capable of killing them is where they will strike. We need to look at gun laws alright. Those laws that keep citizens vulnerable to these massacres. We need more people capable of not only defending themselves with a gun, but also mowing down an assailant that would look to take innocent life.

milemarker2020 on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

PatriotRider on December 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Good work; you hit both threads.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

The guns were registered to his mother per Fox.

JPeterman on December 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM

A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example…that legislator…who would deprive men of the use of fire for the fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned…laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent…It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons. C. Beccaria, 1764

Tripwhipper on December 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM

People have been very reckless, posting any Ryan Lanza Facebook pages and Twitter accounts they find without bothering to confirm anything.

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM

You guys are easily fooled at 0bama’s ‘emotional speech’.

Did anyone notice that he managed to give the nation ‘the finger’ as he he wiped away an invisible tear?

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

I started listening to it on the radio, then I switched to the livestream on here. If you just hear it, he sounds very emotional. But when you see him, he looks like the same angry, cold-hearted dude he appears to be in a lot of public appearances.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Did anyone notice that he managed to give the nation ‘the finger’ as he he wiped away an invisible tear?

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

No shame.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Sadly no. Turn on CNN, they even ran a re-run of Obama’s speech.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:36 PM

I mentioned in the other thread that we should all remember that original reports are often inaccurate and we wouldn’t have reliable information for days.

Fox now reporting that the original ID of the shooter is inaccurate.

Ryan Lanza was apparently at work today and it may be his brother who committed these murders.

novaculus on December 14, 2012 at 3:36 PM

…if only one of the teachers had a gun!

KOOLAID2 on December 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

You guys are easily fooled at 0bama’s ‘emotional speech’.

Did anyone notice that he managed to give the nation ‘the finger’ as he he wiped away an invisible tear?

LegendHasIt on December 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Well, I was trying not to let my hatred for him influence my evaluation of the speech. YMMV.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

The media is now hyping Obama’s appearance. “A monumental speech, a tough day for the President, blah blah..

Such a transparent attempt to use the tragedy for his own gains. It’s unbelievable. Every tragedy is a photo op for him. Like Rahm Emanuel said never let a tragedy go to waste.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

How the hell is it a tough day for him? He didn’t have a child murdered or a parent, sister, brother, friend.

I can’t stand our lapdog media – they make me want to wretch.

gophergirl on December 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Agreed. There is no point in him addressing something that he has nothing to do with personally.

Why do we leave strip defenseless young humans of protections – their teachers cannot even protect them from those who wish to commit harm. Unless you have trained, competent security guards (armed) in each classroom… why would you want your kid to be subject to such a victim filled zone? as well as being indoctrinated, bullied and otherwise subjected to some of the worst of human culture in schools….

Home schooling…. requires parental sacrifice and instruction of their own children – hard thing to do but raising up little human’s ain’t for the selfish…

glidingone on December 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

It wasn’t even a speech. It was a brief statement where he paused for dramatic effect.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Again this is the MSM.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

I’d bet money his mother is an NEA left-wing zealot whose “troubled” son was referred repeatedly to the school psychologists since childhood, and was legally drugged constantly throughout his school years and beyond. I know it’s speculation at this point, but we’ve seen it all before.

Harbingeing on December 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM

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