Quotes of the day

posted at 8:44 pm on December 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

Obama cited Scripture to call for healing, and said “we’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.” He called the shooting a “heinous crime” against “beautiful little kids.”

“We’ve endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years, and each time I hear the news I react not as a president but as anyone else would, as a parent,” Obama said. “And that was especially true today.”

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What is “meaningful action”? Obama has explained this before: He wants a new assault weapons ban. My colleague Allison Benedikt is among those who wanted more from Obama, but that’s not how this works. To use two examples without conflating the scales of the tragedies: LBJ didn’t call for the Civil Rights Act on November 22, 1963, and George W. Bush didn’t ask for any military response on 9/11. Day one is when you tell people whether you’re going to pick up the cards. Showing those cards, that comes later.

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Bloomberg’s full statement:

“With all the carnage from gun violence in our country, it’s still almost impossible to believe that a mass shooting in a kindergarten class could happen. It has come to that. Not even kindergarteners learning their A,B,Cs are safe. We heard after Columbine that it was too soon to talk about gun laws. We heard it after Virginia Tech. After Tucson and Aurora and Oak Creek. And now we are hearing it again. For every day we wait, 34 more people are murdered with guns. Today, many of them were five-year olds. President Obama rightly sent his heartfelt condolences to the families in Newtown. But the country needs him to send a bill to Congress to fix this problem. Calling for ‘meaningful action’ is not enough. We need immediate action. We have heard all the rhetoric before. What we have not seen is leadership – not from the White House and not from Congress. That must end today. This is a national tragedy and it demands a national response. My deepest sympathies are with the families of all those affected, and my determination to stop this madness is stronger than ever.”

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Enough!

Enough with putting off tomorrow what we should be talking about today. Enough with being afraid to step on someone’s delicate sensibilities when it comes to the Second Amendment. Enough with elected leaders who are too cowardly to confront the National Rifle Association and their ardent supporters. Enough with moms and dads and brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles and pastors and deacons who are afraid to make public the private anguish of mental illness.

Enough! Enough! Enough!

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The goal of this petition is to force the Obama Administration to produce legislation that limits access to guns. While a national dialogue is critical, laws are the only means in which we can reduce the number of people murdered in gun related deaths.

Powerful lobbying groups allow the ownership of guns to reach beyond the Constitution’s intended purpose of the right to bear arms. Therefore, Congress must act on what is stated law, and face the reality that access to firearms reaches beyond what the Second Amendment intends to achieve.

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Obama has been given several sad opportunities to address gun violence. In Tucson, he spoke of “a national conversation” commencing, “not only about the motivations behind these killings, but about everything from the merits of gun safety laws to the adequacy of our mental health system.” After an attack on a Sikh temple outside Milwaukee, Obama said similar events “are happening with too much regularity for us not to do some soul-searching to examine additional ways that we can reduce violence.”

But that soul-searching did not happen in Obama’s first term. And before Friday’s shooting in Newtown, few thought Obama would devote political capital to any sort of serious push for new gun-control legislation. Though the National Rifle Association’s power has waned from its peak, Republicans remain firmly on the NRA’s side while Democrats remain deeply scarred by the gun-rights group’s success in ousting pro-gun-control legislators. It will be days before we know whether a massacre at an elementary school will be enough to force Obama and Congress to act.

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“What’s he going to do? He’s not going to get legislation,” said Larry Sabato, a political science professor at the University of Virginia. “That’s obvious to anybody.”

Sabato and other experts predicted that Washington’s powerful gun lobby — and the many lawmakers from both parties who are cognizant of its influence — virtually assures the failure of any legislation aimed at curbing gun rights. At best, Sabato said, Obama could try other policy approaches in an attempt to improve public safety, such as by backing legislation that would require more metal detectors in schools and other public places…

Obama did not outline specifics or directly call on Congress to act, but many Democrats issued statements that echoed the president’s call for a policy response.

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Democrats all over Washington issued statements Friday expressing sympathy and dismay over the school shooting in Newtown, Conn. But amid the sadness, grief and shock one thing was clear — most in the Democratic Party did not want to inject a discussion of gun control into the day.

Many Democrats blame gun control for Al Gore’s 2000 presidential loss and there has been an increasing reluctance over the past decade to push the issue to the forefront of American politics. In 2006, Democrats won a majority in Congress in part by winning in conservative areas with candidates who were proudly pro-gun rights…

Democratic Congressional Committee Chairman Steve Israel of New York avoided vague references altogether. His statement was purely sympathetic and stressed that Americans should “stand together with the community of Newtown.”

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I teach at a state university with a campus gun-free policy, and quite a few of my students have permits to carry guns. After the Virginia Tech shooting a few years ago, one of them asked me if we could move class off campus, because she felt unsafe being unarmed. I certainly would have felt perfectly safe having her carry a gun in my presence; she was, and is, a responsible adult. I feel the same way about the other law students I know who have carry permits.

Gun-free zones are premised on a lie: that murderers will follow rules, and that people like my student are a greater danger to those around them than crazed killers. That’s an insult to honest people. Sometimes, it’s a deadly one. The notion that more guns mean more crime is wrong. In fact, as gun ownership has expanded over the past decade, crime has gone down.

Fortunately, the efforts to punish “the people who didn’t do it” are getting less traction these days.

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On the outskirts of the vigil I met Tom Donlin, who’d made an ad hoc candle holder out of a Starbucks cup. “I just was walking by and saw this,” he said. “I’m not actually for gun control, so I probably disagree with these people. There’s strict gun control in Norway, and that gunman killed — what, something like 80 people?” He was still listening. “We might want to look at mental health laws, not gun laws.”

At another end of the crowd, a government worker named Jennifer Purl huddled in her green coat and complimented some activists on their signs. “Yes!” she said. “Close the gun show loophole.” She rattled off some other ideas for restricting guns, without banning them, and with consideration for the mental state of gun owners. “Nobody’s talking about banning guns! Every time there’s one of these tragedies, people run out to buy guns. It’s crazy, just crazy.”

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Via Mediaite.

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canopfor on December 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Good evening Friend..It has been a bad day for sure..:(

PS..Do you have your Grandkids this weekend??..:)

Dire Straits on December 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Dire Straits:

Glad you asked,with my son,finally getting a good job
(electrician-Non-Unionized),he has been working all week,
his wife,nurse,on day shift,my wife…hospice worker,day
shifts…..and yes,yes,Too Much Info chittyy-Chat…(sarc
on the chatty-chit),

and leaves me,to babysit!

With knowing every Nursey song…water-boarding looks attractive!!

Anywho…….:)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:04 AM

What else can possibly explain our unique proclivity for murder among our peers?

ernesto

It can most likely be attributed to the proclivity of liberals to make sh*t up.

Do you have any other explanation for why the murder rate here is closer to war torn Mexico than Japan, Australia, or Germany?

ernesto

Simple explanation…you’re lying, as usual.

You should compare US to well developed nations, or at least where there is rule of law.

lester

The only reason you want to leave all the other countries out is because they refute the argument that America is a murderer’s paradise when compared to countries where murder truly is out of control.

Some things are not as simple as the Lesters and Ernies pretend:

CW

They never are where liberals are concerned. That’s why they have to lie so much.

All true, but what would banning guns in the US accomplish if you aren’t going to seal the borders?

Resist We Much

It hasn’t done much for Mexico. They have some of the toughest gun laws on the planet, and they actually do take their border security serious, yet their murder rate is 4 times that of the U.S.

xblade on December 15, 2012 at 12:04 AM

and leaves me,to babysit!

With knowing every Nursey song…water-boarding looks attractive!!

Anywho…….:)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:04 AM

lol

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Banning immigration from Mexico would cut down of violent crime – lots of it.

VorDaj on December 14, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Banning immigration won’t mean shite without securing the border. Pretty much like overreaching gun laws don’t disarm criminals.

In fact, it might increase the concentration of criminals coming over. Many of those traveling across our borders with ease are criminals. Some guy who comes over to work and send money home while living modestly but honestly is not looking to get caught. In fact those types are often victimized by the criminals. Ethnic gangs ALWAYS cannibalize their own. It takes them a while to branch out and start ruining the rest of the city.

Capitalist Hog on December 15, 2012 at 12:06 AM

“Properly armed” meaning having access to a semi-automatic rifle that holds 30 rounds a clip, right?

Tom_Shipley on December 14, 2012 at 9:18 PM

1/ Guns are inanimate objects.

2/ If you have NOT noticed, ALL of the massacres( Columbine, the Mall, Aurora and now this one) have occurred in states with STRICT gun control laws aka murderers KNOW they have protection against armed citizens. IN FACT , the Aurora shootings occurred at a theater that had signs expressly forbidding conceal carry. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

3/ This is NOT about GUNS!. It’s about personality and mental psychoses. It’s about kids WITH guns on anti-depressants, Ritalin, etc….Guns DON’T kill people, human fingers pull triggers.

You must have been the first kid to sit in the first row of the short bus. You and others like you here have all the observational capabilities of a bowling ball. Your opinions are WORTHLESS !

WTFU, stupid man.

DevilsPrinciple on December 15, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Law enforcement official: Conn. shooter’s mother did not appear to have connection with the school: http://apne.ws/XoxxQm -SS

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Then, why did the school buzz him in? Weird.

Resist We Much on December 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

The first report was that she was a teacher at the school. That was wrong. Later report was that she was an unpaid teachers aid so I guess if thta report is true they did know her at least by name.

McCain Hater on December 15, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Dire Straits:Yes,h*llacious is an under-statement,and its a world
of hurt,I don’t know,if I could endure!:)

canopfor on December 14, 2012 at 11:54 PM

I agree..I really don’t know how anyone could make it thru this..:(

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Government officials and citizens in Australia speak out to warn America “Don’t Let Them Take Your Guns!” According to reports when the Gun Ban went into effect in Australia the crime rate spiraled out of control. The police officers are overwhelmed and are unable to protect the citizens due to so much crime.

http://conservativebyte.com/2012/08/australia-warns-america-dont-let-them-take-your-guns/

davidk on December 15, 2012 at 12:10 AM

God help those children’s parents and loved ones. As for the little angels and the adults, bless everyone of them.

DevilsPrinciple on December 15, 2012 at 12:10 AM

McCain Hater on December 15

So, can I assume you voted for the hot chick in ’08?

Lanceman on December 15, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Politicians recoil from politics of shootings while online debate rages

Bruce Cheadle , The Canadian Press December 14, 2012
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OTTAWA – “Our hearts go out to the victims … and their families. Today is a time for mourning and not politics.”

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews posted the sentiment on a social media network Friday afternoon as Canadians recoiled in horror at the news of another American school shooting, this time in Newtown, Connecticut.

His appeal to forego political debate in the emotional heat of the moment was not uncommon, and serves as a staple after many mass shootings.

“There will be time to debate what went wrong and how such a tragedy can be prevented,” NDP Leader Tom Mulcair said in a statement.

“But today, New Democrats join Canadians in expressing our heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims — and in hugging our own children a little tighter.”

Bob Rae, the Liberal interim leader, was more circumspect, vaguely alluding to “further information (that) will undoubtedly emerge in the days ahead,” while expressing immediate support for the Connecticut families and community.

And Prime Minister Stephen Harper refrained from any political allusions at all, posting a message on Twitter stating, “The news is just awful.

“The thoughts and prayers of Canadians are with the students and families in Connecticut affected by this senseless violence.”

Contrast that to U.S. President Barack Obama,
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who held a news conference where he tearfully vowed that American are “going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.”

Obama did not elaborate.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/national/politicians-recoil-from-politics-of-shootings-while-online-debate-rages-1.28075

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:11 AM

and leaves me,to babysit!

With knowing every Nursey song…water-boarding looks attractive!!

Anywho…….:)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:04 AM

rofl..That is hilarious..:)

PS..You need to stop drawing the low card in the deck!! //(sarc)..:)

PSS..Hug them my friend as I know you will..Things can change on a dime..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Mmmm bacon . . . and cheezburger

http://themetapicture.com/the-american-dream/

davidk on December 15, 2012 at 12:19 AM

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:04 AM

lol

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Axe:Hehe,I do kid tho:)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:19 AM

For those that may be asking this question, those that believe in God and those that may not:
Ravi Zacharias on why a good God allows evil to happen

http://www.therightscoop.com/ravi-zacharias-on-how-a-good-god-allow-evil-to-happen/

Bookmark it if you don’t have time to read it tonight. Also, the comments are enlightening as well.

bluefox on December 15, 2012 at 12:21 AM

GG- I don’t know how old you are. But I see your posts. I assume you are young. I may be wrong. But I’ll tell you this. I don’t recognize anything. I really don’t. If the same trajectory is in place, it’s not good. I won’t bore you with what it was like when I was a kid stories. You seem so sweet and innocent. I have been hard pressed to put it all together. A lifetime. Dear, you tell them get ready. There’s a storm coming for sure, and it pains me to say that.

I’d rather say, something else. Something worth a smile, but it would be a lie.we have gone through evolutions of strife for many centuries.

Liberty is a fluke, historically. We had it, and we are throwing it away.

It’s a hard thing. I’ve never lived through it. Tell them,, buy guns or be slaves. I know history.

It’s not heading to a happy place. What makes people think that less souls will die this century than the last one?

That’s not my prediction.

wolly4321 on December 15, 2012 at 12:22 AM

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Great to see that your son got a good job!!..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Where were those tears by Obie when Benghazi happened??..:(

Dire Straits on December 14, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Vegas, baby! VEGAS!!

Solaratov on December 15, 2012 at 12:23 AM

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:04 AM

rofl..That is hilarious..:)

PS..You need to stop drawing the low card in the deck!! //(sarc)..:)

PSS..Hug them my friend as I know you will..Things can change on a dime..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Dire Straits:Low card,lol.Yup,sh*t can hit da fan,at any moment:)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:29 AM

bluefox on December 15, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Jesus explained why evil is allowed to persist until the end, too, in the parable of the weeds.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 12:29 AM

You do realize the Russian army gassed Beslan, killing everyone who was alive inside…right?

ernesto on December 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Communist idiot, you are confusing Beslan school with the Moscow theater…

mnjg on December 15, 2012 at 12:30 AM

Solaratov on December 15, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Sadly..You are correct..:(

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 12:31 AM

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Great to see that your son got a good job!!..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Dire Straits:You and me both!:)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:31 AM

The highest number of murders are in liberal cities and states where there are the most restrictive gun laws… Let the liberals begin their war on guns and it will destroy their own party… Folks, let us hope that they are that stupid…

mnjg on December 15, 2012 at 12:35 AM

I was just defriended by several people because they don’t like my reaction to all this. They’re both conservative women.
*looks sad*

annoyinglittletwerp on December 15, 2012 at 12:36 AM

I was just defriended by several people because they don’t like my reaction to all this. They’re both conservative women.
*looks sad*

annoyinglittletwerp on December 15, 2012 at 12:36 AM

What was your reaction, twerp? And what did they want to hear? And don’t look sad. :) If you walk your path, you have to leave people to their own paths sometimes. It’s a little sad, but it’s life, and it’s necessary when you grow. And you are growing, Twerp.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 12:39 AM

As you all may have heard by now, today 26 people were killed by a deranged gunman, 43 were killed by drunk drivers, 219 died due to allergic reactions to antibiotics, 17 died texting while driving, 112 died due to the negligence of doctors, 26 were killed by lightning, 3,255 people were killed as punishment for existing in a womb, and 1213 were killed by cigarettes.

I hope this puts it in better perspective for the anti-guns nut jobs.

DevilsPrinciple on December 15, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Dire Straits:You and me both!:)

canopfor on December 15, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Thumbs up friend..Thumbs up!!..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 12:42 AM

“Creed”

We believe in Marx, Freud and Darwin.
We believe that everything is OK
as long as you don’t hurt anyone,
to the best of your definition of hurt,
and to the best of your definition of knowledge.

We believe in sex before, during and after marriage.
We believe in the therapy of sin;
we believe that adultery’s fun.
we believe that sodomy’s OK
we believe that taboos are taboo.

We believe that everything is getting better
despite evidence to the contrary.
The evidence must be investigated.
You can prove anything with evidence.

We believe there is something in horoscopes, UFO’s and bent spoons.
Jesus was a good man just like Buddha
Mohammad and ourselves.
He was a good moral teacher although we think
that his good morals were really bad.

We believe that all religions are basically the same,
at least the ones we read were.
They all believe in love and goodness.They only differ on matters of
creation, sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.

We believe that after death comes Nothing
because when you ask the dead what happens
they say nothing.
If death is not the end, if the dead have lied,
then it’s compulsory heaven for all
except perhaps Hitler, Stalin and Genghis Kahn.

We believe in Masters and Johnson.
What’s selected is average.
What’s average is normal.
What’s normal is good.

We believe in total disarmament.
We believe there are direct links between
warfare and bloodshed.
American’s should beat their guns into tractors
and the Russians would be sure to follow.

We believe that man is essentially good.
It’s only his behaviour that lets him down.
This is the fault of society.
Society is the fault of conditions.
Conditions are the fault of society.

We believe that each man must find the truth
that is right for him.
Reality will adapt accordingly.
The universe will readjust. History will alter.
We believe there is no absolute truth
excepting the truth that there is no absolute truth.

We believe in the rejection of creeds.

If Chance be the Father of all flesh,
disaster is His rainbow in the sky.
And when you hear “State of Emergency”,
“Sniper Kills Ten”, “Troops on Rampage”,
“Youths Go Looting”, “Bomb Blasts School”,
it is but the sound of man worshiping his maker.

-Steve Turner

davidk on December 15, 2012 at 12:43 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 15, 2012 at 12:36 AM

what reaction?

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 12:43 AM

davidk on December 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Who is that communist McCarthy? I never heard of her before…

mnjg on December 15, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Lanceman on December 15, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Say ‘hey’ to Scrumpy. She got a new dog. She named it Sparky.

Well no. She named it Sam but in Gaelic Sam means Sparky.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 12:46 AM

Question for the POTUS: Any children killed by criminals with guns = bad. 1.21 million children killed by their own parent in 2009 via legal abortion = good. Either children are valuable or they are not. Which is it?

sandspur on December 15, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM

I’m not normally one to do this but…*hug*

annoyinglittletwerp on December 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM

hahaha Cozmo. She hugs Schad and bites you. (:

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 12:48 AM

-Steve Turner

davidk on December 15, 2012 at 12:43 AM

– Epicurus (Well, edited by Nitchie)

I did not enjoy that.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Spark, Axe-see the song I posted on page…4. I’m in Sheldon Cooper mode over this. As a woman I’m supposed to be weepy and grief stricken-but as an Aspie, I can’t do that.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 15, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Connecticut has Assault Weapon Ban according to their state official gun control website:

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?a=4213&Q=494616&desppNav_GID=2080

From the Site:

Assault Weapons

Section 53-202a of the Connecticut General Statutes gives the definition, and an itemized list of what weapons are considered Assault Weapons.

Definition. (1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: List of Assault Weapons

Who may possess Assault Weapons in Connecticut?

Law enforcement and military personnel may possess Assault Weapons in connection with their official duties, and any person who has a Certificate of Possession issued by the Special Licensing and Firearms Unit may possess the Assault Weapon listed on their certificate.

Can I get a Certificate of Possession for my Assault Weapon now?

No. The only exceptions to this would be a person who has been out of state serving in the military prior to October 1994, or a person who receives an Assault Weapon through bequeath or intestate succession providing the weapon already had a certificate. In these instances, the person has 90 days to register the weapon with the Special Licensing and Firearms Unit

I just moved into Connecticut and I possess an Assault Weapon. May I keep the weapon or if not what are my options?

Within 90 days of moving to Connecticut, you may sell the weapon to any licensed gun dealer, or you must do one of the following;

1) render the weapon permanently inoperable,
2) sell it to an out of state dealer,
3) relinquish the weapon to a law enforcement agency.

If you choose to keep the weapon you risk felony arrest.

I never registered my Assault Weapon, What are my options?

You can only render it permanently inoperable, or relinquish it to a law enforcement agency.

Can Connecticut gun dealers buy or sell Assault Weapons?

A licensed gun dealer may purchase any Assault Weapon that has a Certificate of Possession, or any Assault weapon that has been transferred into Connecticut as part of someone’s personal belongings for less than 90 days. The dealer may then sell them to other dealers, law enforcement agencies, or out of state.

Can Police Officers buy Assault Weapons?

No. Police Departments can buy them and give them to their officers to use, although the individual officers cannot buy Assault Weapons.

mnjg on December 15, 2012 at 12:51 AM

bluefox on December 15, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Jesus explained why evil is allowed to persist until the end, too, in the parable of the weeds.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Yes, that’s another explanation. The NIV sounded strange to me, since I’ve been raised on the KJV:-)One thing I learned years ago, that the more you study God’s Word, the more you learn. You can read the same book/chapter over again and always learn something you didn’t know before.

bluefox on December 15, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Did you see my favorite line?

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 12:52 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 15, 2012 at 12:49 AM

She has nice teeth. I’m kind of feeling nothing because I’m stunned.

I didn’t cry but maybe feeling nothing is like feeling empty.

I feel empty. Those poor parents.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 12:52 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Say ‘hey’ to Scrumpy. She got a new dog. She named it Sparky.

Well no. She named it Sam but in Gaelic Sam means Sparky.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 12:46 AM

I don’t hang out much here right now. Still pissed.

But I did order some candles from Katee-Bear.

Lanceman on December 15, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Evening Dire! ; )

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 12:52 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Hi. What a sick day.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 1:00 AM

davidk on December 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Who is that communist McCarthy? I never heard of her before…

mnjg on December 15, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Apparently her husband got capped, so she wants to inflict her personal pain on everyone.

davidk on December 15, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Hi. What a sick day.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Hello..I agree it has been a bad day for sure..:(

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 1:02 AM

mnjg on December 15, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Anything that can fire full auto, select-a-switch or not has been regulated since 1934. You need a class III license.

Not sure what the hell assault means anymore.
A Remington 760 with a 20 rd mag could be an assault weapon.

Lanceman on December 15, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Trying to figure out what would posses someone to be so cruel.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Apparently her husband got capped, so she wants to inflict her personal pain on everyone.

davidk on December 15, 2012 at 1:02 AM

More people die in our country from drunk drivers than guns… She should start a campaign to ban alcohol…

mnjg on December 15, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Anything that can fire full auto, select-a-switch or not has been regulated since 1934. You need a class III license.

Not sure what the hell assault means anymore.
A Remington 760 with a 20 rd mag could be an assault weapon.

Lanceman on December 15, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Let us hope that the liberals and communists are that stupid to start a war on gun ownership… They will destroy their own party…

mnjg on December 15, 2012 at 1:08 AM


Dire Straits
, QOTD song, Children.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Lanceman on December 15, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Try it one more time..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Can’t sleep so I’m cooking noodles. A rice cooker is a nifty kitchen appliance.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 1:15 AM

most in the Democratic Party did not want to inject a discussion of gun control into the day.

They don’t really have to, today. The media will do that for them, and rile up the people. That’s why the party of “never let a crisis go to waste” stated that they will discuss it “next week”.
Saw my wife watching some “special” about it already on ABC. I didn’t watch because I knew what slant it would have. After a little while, and after she had turned the channel, I came in to watch tv with her and about 15 minutes later, she asks me/states out of nowhere, “Why would anyone need a semi-automatic weapon anyway?”

Obama and the dems don’t need to “discuss” banning weapons right now. The media is already on the job for them.

Sterling Holobyte on December 15, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Huh? Works for me. I am on a strange new device. Maybe I am doing it wrong. This was the link I made short. Testing.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=S4v-_p5dU34&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DS4v-_p5dU34

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Did Axe go *poof*?

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Yes, that’s another explanation. The NIV sounded strange to me, since I’ve been raised on the KJV:-)One thing I learned years ago, that the more you study God’s Word, the more you learn. You can read the same book/chapter over again and always learn something you didn’t know before.

bluefox on December 15, 2012 at 12:51 AM

I dug through all of them and actually made the NIV my go-to because it would try to follow the conventions of KJV. It was a straighter line and more comfortable.

People go by that parable a lot, I think, and I am sure there are many wonderful, weird things it can do for those that haven’t — :/ — but it’s pretty straightforward for me. I’ll risk a little, here; I can’t risk much ’cause I don’t want to invite . . . *sigh*

Anyway, 1. God set out to do something in particular; 2. Another will asserted itself against what he was trying to do; 3. He made a decision to finish his original plan. Not start over, finish. And the questions that raises are great, and the answers are great, and the mysteries are great. So much about “why does God let . . . ” spin for me back to that parable. (But not alone; there’s more to say.)

Not sure many people have heard that parable for some reason. It never comes up. Job does. A lot. :)

*shrug*

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:20 AM

This is where I am Axe.

Direful to see! an Heart-appalling Sight!

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Did Axe go *poof*?

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Some comments require thought, and that’s hard for me, Bmore. :) Gimme a sec; catching up . . .

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:21 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 15, 2012 at 12:49 AM

She has nice teeth. I’m kind of feeling nothing because I’m stunned.

I didn’t cry but maybe feeling nothing is like feeling empty.

I feel empty. Those poor parents.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 12:57 AM

There’s nothing wrong with you Twerp. :) Stay honest. Let other people huff in drama.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:23 AM

I wasn’t drawing any conclusions one way or another. I was just pointing out that when comparing crime statistics, putting US next to some lawless African country doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Also known as Apples & Oranges.

And the explanation is not simple. Access to, availability and efficiency of guns is different, culture has morphed, crime has changed, instead of relatively limited but large crime families we have much smaller but significantly more criminal gangs. Violent crime in Mexico is a new issue and we have the long border. War on drugs probably on top of the list.

Again, taking one statistic (prevalence of gun laws) and comparing a century ago with today’s America would being us to Apples & Oranges.

lester on December 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Lester, It is you who are the one who is comparing apples to oranges. Britain is not the U.S., it is an island, and thus it is easier to defend the borders from banned materials and substances from coming in. The same goes for any smaller country and countries that are less urban (like Canada). Britain, Canada, and the Western World as a whole does not have the large immigrant populations or diversity that the U.S. has, although that is changing and will have a major impact on Europe in the future.

Therefore the only thing you can compare America to is America of the past. If you look at the 20th century in America there were decades in which the murder rates ballooned. One era was between 1910s-1930s and the other was between 1960s-1990s. Therefore the most likely possible culprits for increases in the murder rate are:

(1) Restrictions on Alcohol (1920-1933) and the war on drugs which was actually started in 1914 on cocaine, but really took off after 1970. This hypothesis says that the banning of Alcohol and Drugs increased murder rates by driving those banned substances into the hands of criminals and the black market. This increases the power of criminal gangs which can take over certain communities, especially in urban America. This develops into a self sustaining cycle in those communities which is only broken with time, serious intervention of law enforcement, and the removal of the laws that banned the substance in question. One proof of this is once Prohibition was ended the murder rate did drop significantly. This does not mean that we should legalize cocaine again, but accept that fact that as long as it is banned it will create a black market, which will lead to more powerful criminal gangs, thus more crime and higher murder rates in this country.

(2) Mass immigration and the subsequent integration process that followed is a possibility as well. The integration process can be a messy and violent thing, and it tends to lag the actual increase in immigration. Therefore large immigration increases in the late 19th century and early 20th century bumped murder rates during the 1910s-1930s. The same could explain the increases in murder rates during the 1960s-1990s if you take into account that African-Americans were never given a proper chance to integrate into the population until after the civil rights movement of the 1950s and early 1960s. That murder rates are now dropping is a sign that the integration process for African-Americans is beginning to end, however we should see if this hypothesis is correct a bump in murder rates in this decade and coming decades as Latino immigrants begin their process of integration. This integration process also is starting to be seen in Europe in which large (and recent) immigrant populations of people will have to be integrated. They should have major problems, especially religious in the case of Muslims, which will lead to violence and increase in the murder rate.

Both of these are much more likely to cause spikes in murder rates than access to guns. Also because banning things tends to push it to the black market in America, which will mean guns will become the “commodity” of gangs and criminal organizations thus repeating the crime waves of the 1920s and 1990s. Also many handgun makers like Glock and SIG Sauer are from Europe, cheaper handguns are made in other countries as well, which begs the question: If we failed stopping alcohol during prohibition and have failed during the drug war to stop drugs from coming into the country what makes anyone think they will be able to stop guns from getting into the criminals in this country by restricting them? It sounds like history repeating itself….

William Eaton on December 15, 2012 at 1:24 AM

I admire people who take time to think properly. Thinking is hard.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Did you see my favorite line?

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 12:52 AM

I wrote you back! Check your spam. It’s a commercial address so it might have been caught by your spam filter. Unless your email was bunk. :) FYI — that return email isn’t required, in case it was. :)

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:25 AM

You are right. Thinking takes effort and discipline; that is if you can about truth.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Direful to see! an Heart-appalling Sight!

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:21 AM

You are almost done. You are in the ugly. Mask off. :)

See what I mean? That poem is totally worth it.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Americans will always hold guns.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:28 AM

lester on December 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Most of the gun crimes are committed by democrat voters, your stupid party voters… Now and f*** yourself communist…

mnjg on December 15, 2012 at 1:31 AM

It was in the spam folder. I never look in there. It won’t be in the future. Yes, that line has a nice thrust to it. ; )

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Stone Cold… Dedicated to dire Strait’s, who refuses to fund mine and Axe’s super awsum great album… ;P

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:33 AM

It was in the spam folder. I never look in there. It won’t be in the future. Yes, that line has a nice thrust to it. ; )

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:32 AM

lol

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Late to the conversation, but it occurred to me today, that all of the speeches and commentary by the democrats and MSM (but I repeat myself) were written ages ago and stored in a drawer, with only the names and locations to be filled in when one of these tragedies occurred; they were just waiting for such an event to happen. Never mind that it was a deranged person who would have resorted to other methods such as slashing (as done by the psycho in China) or running down with a vehicle (as was done in California by another psycho several years ago). It’s all about the guns. Never mind that guns were used many more times in this single day to defend more innocent lives than those tragically lost today. This is all about the fact that liberals fear an armed population — not necessarily because they scoff at the notion of an armed population defending themselves against a tyranny, but because liberals both fear and hate the idea of citizens with both the liberty to defend themselves and to be self-sufficient and not have to rely upon the government for the safety of their very lives. People who do not rely upon the government are an existential threat to liberals, thus their desire to impose statist policies upon the citizenry of this country. After all, there are scores of countries that have the policies and practices that these liberals so crave — they could easily emigrate to them. But if they did that, it would mean that citizens of the US were still free and possessed liberty and independence. … and you see, to liberals, the very idea that anybody, anywhere on this planet is free and independent is an affront to their very ideology.

So no, this is not about guns, this is about taking away more liberty and independence from the citizens of this country. Therefore, all of the “discussions” and “honest conversation” speeches you hear in the coming days have been written years ago, just waiting for the opportunity to trot them out.

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM

I admire people who take time to think properly. Thinking is hard.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Besides, thinking properly, makes even the hardy’s head hurt.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:35 AM

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Excellent write up.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 1:35 AM

See what I mean? That poem is totally worth it.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Yes, it was hard to read for me. Slow. I have been reading it at bedtime. I read where I left off the previous night to the better half. Just one page worth. Delivered in my most boisterous Brit voice I can muster. She laughs. I don’t have a very convincing Brit voice. Even my best one. ; )

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:36 AM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:33 AM

I will go with this one..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 1:38 AM

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Excellent write up.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Indeed, I cannot write such things today no matter how much I might want to, my head and my heart ache far to much to allow it. I have never been so injured, nor had a hangover so painful as what I feel thinking about what transpired today.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:39 AM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:33 AM

I will go with this one..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Yes my friend, but now I shall weep bitterly… (as if I haven’t been doing that all day)

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:40 AM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Good to know I’m not alone. I have had way too much on my mind lately. A bit overwhelming coming at me all at once as it has. It’s wearing me out a wee bit and zapping my energy level. Gonna take an extended Christmas break, relax, and do a little less thinking.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Indeed, I cannot write such things today no matter how much I might want to, my head and my heart ache far to much to allow it. I have never been so injured, nor had a hangover so painful as what I feel thinking about what transpired today.

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:39 AM

I share that pain; the heartache for those affected is terrible to imagine.

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:40 AM

I’d much rather be hitting on RWM. Or Jackie . . . or 4Grace . . . or . . .

Hm. I think I’m kind of a ho.

Anyway, prefer to think earlier in the morning and not under these conditions. :)

Though, so cool to be able yo point out a parable. I mean, how often do you get to do that? Very cool. Coolest. Woo Hoo!

Sharrukin over on the other thread is in the groove, btw. Keeping up with that reading has already tired me out.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:41 AM

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Yep. That’s why we call them memes.

davidk on December 15, 2012 at 1:41 AM

I share that pain; the heartache for those affected is terrible to imagine.

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:40 AM

That is why the sudden rush to the microphones by those seeking to take advantage of this tragedy is so offensive to me.

/Never hit tab and return — you’re post looks like this one if you do

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:42 AM

I have been reading it at bedtime. I read where I left off the previous night to the better half. Just one page worth. Delivered in my most boisterous Brit voice I can muster. She laughs. I don’t have a very convincing Brit voice. Even my best one. ; )

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:36 AM

C’mon. Really? :)

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:41 AM

You’re not a ‘ho’, Axefellow. You’re poly-amorous. Can you help it if you have a loving heart and a lively spirit… and that toned, slim, athletic physique? Some things just…are. :)

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 1:44 AM

That is why the sudden rush to the microphones by those seeking to take advantage of this tragedy is so offensive to me.

/Never hit tab and return — you’re post looks like this one if you do

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:42 AM

That bit — the look at how wonderful my own tears are thing — that bit is why I haven’t seen any of this on TV today.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Late to comment and early to leave. Goodnight all. May tomorrow bring healing and a better day. … and may the Lord grant comfort to those families left grieving.

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:46 AM

AZfederalist on December 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Excellent post..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 1:46 AM

You’re not a ‘ho’, Axefellow. You’re poly-amorous. Can you help it if you have a loving heart and a lively spirit… and that toned, slim, athletic physique? Some things just…are. :)

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 1:44 AM

So not fair.

I even looked at the clock before I wrote that. :)

SO NOT FAIR.

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Hey! I finished! Now I will read it once more only a bit quicker, hopefully. : )

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:47 AM

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:46 AM

LOL!:)

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 1:47 AM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:40 AM

I’m with you friend..I’m with you..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2012 at 1:47 AM

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:36 AM

C’mon. Really? :)

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Tis the fate of those who are romantics at heart… ;P

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:47 AM

SWalker on December 15, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Well the signs of decay are all around. The value of Human life has eroded to nothing. Our cities routinely host gratuitous violence over petty turf wars by punks who kill for self worth and purpose. Killing gives them street cred and respect by their illiterate punk peers.

They have no shame in being utter morons with a sixth grade level of competency. They are too stupid to be embarrassed by that.

SparkPlug on December 15, 2012 at 1:47 AM

C’mon. Really? :)

Axe on December 15, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Honest. I’m not very entertaining.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Gonna Rain Today – Moore

thatsafactjack on December 15, 2012 at 1:49 AM

On a lighter note. Our society seems to be crumbling. Pity.

Bmore on December 15, 2012 at 1:50 AM

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