Developing: Multiple fatalities in elementary school shooting in Connecticut; Update: At least 26 dead?

posted at 1:01 pm on December 14, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

CBS is reporting that 27 people have been killed by a lone gunman at an elementary school in Connecticut:

CBS News is reporting that 27 people are dead, including 14 students, after a shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. The gunman is among the dead.

CBS News’ John Miller reports there is preliminary information that the gunman was the father of one of the students. Miller additionally reports the gunman is 20 years old and is from New Jersey.

The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting said. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way. It is not known whether the shooter took his own life or was killed.

Updates to follow.

Update: An interview with one of the students on the scene:

Update: Fox is confirming that at least 26 people have been killed:

DEVELOPING: Authorities say at least 26 people, including 18 children, were killed Friday when a gunman opened fire inside a Connecticut elementary school.

A law enforcement official said the shooter, who is dead, is believed to be a father of one of the students at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.

An official with knowledge of the situation told the Associated Press that the man apparently had two guns.

Earlier reports of a second gunman are unconfirmed. The Connecticut Post reports that police are also questioning a handcuffed man in connection with the shooting. Witnesses told the newspaper he was led out of the woods by officers.

Update: While it appears that one gunman is dead, there are more unconfirmed reports of a possible second gunman:

Police report that the school is now cleared of shooters, but they are still treating it as an active shooter situation and all schools in the district remain locked down. There are unconfirmed reports of a second shooter, but it is unclear what happened to that gunman.

State police officers have gone classroom to classroom to make sure the school is clear. Authorities are searching the area, doing roadblocks and checking suspicious vehicles out of an abundance of caution. There are also unconfirmed reports that authorities have surrounded a purple van in Danbury that may be connected to the shooting. …

The first 911 call reportedly came in just after 9:40 a.m., stating that multiple students were trapped in a classroom with a gunman, who authorities say was an adult who had at least two guns. The school locks its exterior doors during the school day, so it is unclear how the gunman or gunmen gained access to the building.

Update: From the White House:

“There is — will be, rather — a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates but I don’t think that day is today,” Carney said, noting also that President Obama believes that “it’s important on a day like to day to  . . . feel enormous sympathy for families that are affected and to do everything we can to support state and local law enforcement and to support those who are enduring what appears to be a very tragic event.”

Update:

Update (MKH):

Local law enforcement held a press conference around 1:45 p.m., with a spokesman for Gov. Malloy and a Lt. Paul Vance in the state police force. There wasn’t much that we don’t already know, but there’s a bit about the timeline of the day.

Newtown Police received the 911 call at 9:30 a.m. They contacted state police and requested assistance from state police and surrounding police forces.

Police entered the school immediately upon arrival and conducted an active shooter search, which means “every door, every crack, every crevice, every portion of that school” was searched, Vance said.

“There were several fatalities at the scene, both students and staff,” Vance said, but said no specific information was being given out until all notifications were made.

“The shooter is deceased inside the building,” Vance said. “The scene is secure.”

Vance said there’s a great deal of search warrant activity going on, and many agencies are working on answering the many questions in this horrific incident.

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Sadly, for some Christians, being an atheist and expressing your thoughts apparently is every bit as much a unforgivable sin as it is in the Islamic world.

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

In an Islamic world atheists would be murdered. No one here has proposed anything like that. Free speech means people also have the freedom to criticize someone else’s speech.

alwaysfiredup on December 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM

That’s one of the seamier sides of the mass media, IMO. On ABC they keep running a clip of a parent as he’s told the report of 27 dead. He puts his hand to his mouth in shock, and briefly turns away. Then cut back to the announcer … “He put his hand to his mouth”. And reports of children “crying hysterically”. They pimp other people’s emotion, presumably to manipulate the viewing audience. Rather than keeping it objective and factual.

Paul-Cincy on December 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Yes. They’re taking advantage of these poor people to sensationalize an already sensational situation with an eye toward ratings and awards. We can’t just let people grieve in peace.

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM

So sad.

DeathtotheSwiss on December 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Gun control is our only road to freedom. Freedom from the fear of senselessly losing children. I’m so saddened. WE NEED LAWS NOW.—
Rashida Jones (@iamrashidajones) December 14, 2012

To serfdom, fools.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Fox reported that bho might have a comment on this later? Would he bring up gun control? Who knows with him?
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letget on December 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Count on it. The left won’t let a tragedy go to waste.

Guy shot 100 rounds? Look for renewed call to ban “high capacity” magazines, more call for “sensible” gun control laws …

One thing for sure, common sense will not prevail here. The fact that this was an unarmed victim zone where the shooter(s) knew that no one would be unable to stop him once he started will not enter the equation. Instead, the approach will be to extend the unarmed victim zones even further.

AZfederalist on December 14, 2012 at 2:13 PM

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

There is a time and a place for everything. A thread about a horrible mass murder of children is not the place for the 8% to attempt to score points over the beliefs of the 92%.

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 2:10 PM

No, apparently there isn’t a time and place for everything, you have assumed what his intention were, YOU DO NOT KNOW. You have insulted and denigrated someone for giving voice to their personal opinion, so no, there obviously isn’t a time and place for anything except what you believe.

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM

People tell me of a time when 10 year olds could buy guns and shoot in the woods and not much bad happened with that, maybe 50-60 years back. A modern person can’t even imagine such gun rights.

flawedskull on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Can anyone verify this claim attributed to CBS News? I’m not having much luck right now:

CBS news Update at 1325 hrs:

“Carney (white house spokesman)stated that The president may be making some hard decisions in the coming days about our 2nd Amendment right, and that some Americans may not support his decision.”

JimLennon on December 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Do you have a link to that?

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I’m so sad for these families and this community. I read that one entire classroom is “unaccounted for.” Was an entire grade of innocent children murdered? How do you kiss your child goodbye and less than 2 hours later learn he or she will never come home? How do you go on? My children’s K-8 parochial school has a locked front door with a camera. You have to ring the buzzer to be let in after the secretary can see you. Some days I see it as an inconvenience but today and from now on I’m grateful for it.

kmid219 on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

And when you have an entire population growing up with this warped, emotional mentality, it’s only to be expected that more of them will break their emotional ceilings and snap.

Sharke on December 14, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Yep, and let me add my own worthless additions.

1: It’s become a Me-First society, teaching everyone that whatever befalls them is always someone elses fault, that they’re a victim.

2: The media. Parading people around who are famous for being famous. They concentrate on human trash who then create public followings, who breathlessly tune in to watch some asshole diva get married or a former wrestler get a tummy tuck.

I remember years ago when my local news station, LOCAL, had an entire months worth of updates on 2 of their news anchors who were getting married, capping it all off with a special devoted to watching the actual marriage.

This is killing our society softly, an entire nation of victims who want their 15 minutes and are willing to pay any price to get it.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Sadly, for some Christians, being an atheist and expressing your thoughts apparently is every bit as much a unforgivable sin as it is in the Islamic world.
SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Oh please. He’s an atheist, fine, that’s his choice but he doesn’t get to troll on a thread about mass murder when the overwhelming majority of us believe God does exist. He wants to share his thoughts, he’s more than welcome but he was obviously trying to get a reaction out of people rather than mourn.

jawkneemusic on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Sadly, for some Christians, being an atheist and expressing your thoughts apparently is every bit as much a unforgivable sin as it is in the Islamic world.
SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I think people were offended by the high lighted area of his statement:

I am not going to offer any prayers, since I am an atheist, but it does occur to me that those children are not in heaven, and the shooters are not going to hell. These realities increase the horror I feel at this situation.

However my thoughts are with everyone. Should teachers be armed?

Dr. Manhattan on December 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM

I am a Christian and don’t have a problem with it, but it did make me wince a bit.

portlandon on December 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM

And when you have an entire population growing up with this warped, emotional mentality, it’s only to be expected that more of them will break their emotional ceilings and snap.

Sharke on December 14, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Yep, and let me add my own worthless additions.

1: It’s become a Me-First society, teaching everyone that whatever befalls them is always someone elses fault, that they’re a victim.

2: The media. Parading people around who are famous for being famous. They concentrate on human trash who then create public followings, who breathlessly tune in to watch some aszhole diva get married or a former wrestler get a tummy tuck.

I remember years ago when my local news station, LOCAL, had an entire months worth of updates on 2 of their news anchors who were getting married, capping it all off with a special devoted to watching the actual marriage.

This is killing our society softly, an entire nation of victims who want their 15 minutes and are willing to pay any price to get it.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Meghan just scored a major success on Fox. She managed to interview a mother who lost a child at Columbine and bring her to tears as Fox tries to wring every bit of emotion out of the shooting for national viewing.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 1:56 PM

That’s one of many reasons I no longer watch Fox and another sign that society has gone to heck in a handbasket.

No dignity, no shame, all gratuitous and open emotions.

Sharke on December 14, 2012 at 1:52 PM

You are absolutely correct. This is it in a nutshell. It is only going to get worse now that along with being one open emotion people can get fame and fortune from being emotional basketcases.

kim roy on December 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM

You have insulted and denigrated someone for giving voice to their personal opinion, so no, there obviously isn’t a time and place for anything except what you believe.

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM

These comments are their personal opinion. Who declared you as the sole authority on the value of an individual’s opinion?

Kingfisher on December 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM

The tragedy grows …

“CBS News is confirming that a second body has been found in the New Jersey home of the shooter.”

Pork-Chop on December 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM

You know, I’m just leaving. I just got married, very excited to start a family, but this just doesn’t happen everywhere. There’s a sickness that leads to this, and for whatever reason that sickness seems more pronounced here than elsewhere.
 
ernesto on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM

 
FWIW, I fully support your individual and private decisions regarding how to best protect your family.

rogerb on December 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Prayers for the victims and their families. I can’t imagine the hell the parents are going through right now.

To all those who think evil is hip and cool, this is evil. Not comic book evil, not movie evil, not rock star evil, just pure unadulterated, evil.

NoDonkey on December 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

I am so tired of these GUTLESS FREAKS going after unarmed people / kids – Ginger to places where they know there is guaranteed no resistance! This freak reportedly strapped on ‘armor’ to go kill 5 YEAR OLDS! There is, I hope, a special place in Hell for POSs like this murderer, preying on children. Thoughts & prayers go out to the families of the victims!

I know there will be another call from the Left to disarm law-abiding citizens after this, further ensuring freaks & criminals would be the only ones armed.

I know its sad to even entertain such an idea, but – after Obama armed Mexican drug Cartels in order to create a high body count to justify anti-gun legislation – I found myself for a minute wondering if parts of our government could be responsible for this/attacks like these in our own country or are they just hanging around waiting like vultures to take politica advantage of these horrific events?!

easyt65 on December 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Oh please. He’s an atheist, fine, that’s his choice but he doesn’t get to troll on a thread about mass murder when the overwhelming majority of us believe God does exist. He wants to share his thoughts, he’s more than welcome but he was obviously trying to get a reaction out of people rather than mourn.

jawkneemusic on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

So what you are saying is that because the “Overwhelming” majority of us are Christian, that the Atheists need to shut the hell up and keep their personal feelings and thoughts out of the public sphere, how effing magnanimous of you.

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

You have insulted and denigrated someone for giving voice to their personal opinion

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM

So the hell what? You put out an opinion, you run the risk of being criticized. Put on your big girl panties, no one is stopping anyone from expressing themselves.

alwaysfiredup on December 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

RINO poser Frum chimes in:

“Shooting at CT elementary school. Obviously, we need to lower the age limit for concealed carry so toddlers can defend themselves.”

Thanks for your witty insight, you despicable, cretinous gasbag.

ConservativeLA on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

This is so tragic. Prayers go out to the families of the victims.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

I am not going to offer any prayers, since I am an atheist, but it does occur to me that those children are not in heaven, and the shooters are not going to hell. These realities increase the horror I feel at this situation.

However my thoughts are with everyone. Should teachers be armed?

Dr. Manhattan on December 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Y’know…you could have just kept your mouth shut, instead of purposely attempting to be offensive.

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Fully agree. He’s trying to offend and his first sentence was the point of his post. The second was just cheap cover for it.

sharrukin on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I agree with your pov but it might be better to let it go for now.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Trollcott, please.

CurtZHP on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

They’re taking advantage of these poor people to sensationalize an already sensational situation with an eye toward ratings and awards. We can’t just let people grieve in peace.

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Exactly. Isn’t it sensational enough? They should let it speak for itself.

Paul-Cincy on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

The tragedy grows …

“CBS News is confirming that a second body has been found in the New Jersey home of the shooter.”

Pork-Chop on December 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM

A parent of the shooter was found dead in his New Jersey home … plus a second unidentified body …

Pork-Chop on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Some days I see it as an inconvenience but today and from now on I’m grateful for it.

kmid219 on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

That buzzer and door won’t stop anyone unless the person watching through the camera demands that the person strip down to show that they are unarmed, the only thing it will temporarily stop is some angry parent demanding to see a teacher or something.

An entire class gone is a nightmare, something conjured up from Beslan.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

JimLennon on December 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Never let a crisis go to waste. This could get even uglier. I can’t think Barry wants to pick that fight right now, but, who knows?

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM

My father’s mother taught in a one-room Kentucky schoolhouse circa 1900. She told me several times over the years that the worst problem she ever faced there was a boy who brought a whistle to class one day. Whenever she turned her back to write on the blackboard or whatever, he would blow it.

In fact, a boy blowing a whistle repeatedly in school probably was a problem — he was deliberately being disrespectful and disobedient to an adult in authority. She laughed about it, but I imagine that, at the time, it really was something to talk about with his parents.

Still, that was an annoyance, and this is cold-blooded murder many times over.

KyMouse on December 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Speculation is that it’s a disgruntled student-teacher who got a bad evaluation.

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Do we know anything on the background or ethnic makeup of the shooter yet?

tommyboy on December 14, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Not that I’ve seen. Just that he’s from NJ, apparently had a kid at the school, was buzzed into the school, and started arguing with those in the office.

changer1701 on December 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Sadly, for some Christians, being an atheist and expressing your thoughts apparently is every bit as much a unforgivable sin as it is in the Islamic world.

SWalker

Please…he said something stupid and unnecessary, and was called on it. Nothing more, nothing less.

xblade on December 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM

You have insulted and denigrated someone for giving voice to their personal opinion

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM

The guy who delights in another man’s Cancer diagnosis is indignant. That’s rich.

Capitalist Hog on December 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

People tell me of a time when 10 year olds could buy guns and shoot in the woods and not much bad happened with that, maybe 50-60 years back. A modern person can’t even imagine such gun rights.
flawedskull on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Yup, that was a time before the leftists and the secularists destroyed the culture. We live in a depraved society now. It’s not surprising that this happens anymore. We have been desensitized by the left and as others have said, the line between good and evil, life and death has been blurred. We live in a nation were its acceptable to murder millions of babies a year and we’re supposed to be surprised when this happens? God isn’t going to continue to bless a society that allows his children to be murdered before they even get a chance to know him.

My question to lefties? Why is this an outrage yet murdering children in the womb isn’t? What? Because of their location at the time of the murder?

jawkneemusic on December 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

For all you morons turning this tragedy into a political jesting match – on either side – f*ck you.

Absolutely disgusting.

You-Eh-Vee on December 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

So what you are saying is that because the “Overwhelming” majority of us are Christian, that the Atheists need to shut the hell up and keep their personal feelings and thoughts out of the public sphere, how effing magnanimous of you.

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

The atheists apparently need to grow a thicker skin if they all react as you have.

alwaysfiredup on December 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people obsessed with the tool used in a tragedy…

…instead of the influences and decision making process that lead to the tragedy.

Take away guns and people will continue to slaughter each other.

Fix the decision making process and we could have nuclear weapons lying around and they would never be used.

(Let me point out that I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point of total non-violence, I’m just pointing out that the issue isn’t the tool used, the issue is the decision to actually USE those tools.)

Religious_Zealot on December 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Sadly, for some Christians, being an atheist and expressing your thoughts apparently is every bit as much a unforgivable sin as it is in the Islamic world.

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I found it offensive and in poor taste as well, and I don’t believe in God.

sharrukin on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

flawedskull on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

When I was in grade school, most boys had pocket knives. We played mumblety-peg at recess. No stabbings.

I got a Winchester single shot .22lr boy’s rifle for my 7th birthday. I was allowed to hunt squirrels and rabbits alone when I was 12. When I was in high school, we hunted before and after school, and kept our guns in our cars and trucks. I used to hunt after school with the science teacher. No shootings.

novaculus on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Osaka – 8 children stabbed to death by a single man with a kitchen knife. (2001)

Tokyo – 7 people died when a man drove into a crowd with his truck killing 3, then got out of his truck stabbing 12 people, killing 4 more. (2008)

This is where I live. Japan has some of the strictest gun laws anywhere. Banned in most cases.

They have strict knife control, too. I took a trip to Japan a couple of years ago and had to leave my pocket knife behind, having read stories of tourists being thrown in jail for being caught with them. It’s hard to get into those bento boxes without one.

Socratease on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

I know its sad to even entertain such an idea, but – after Obama armed Mexican drug Cartels in order to create a high body count to justify anti-gun legislation – I found myself for a minute wondering if parts of our government could be responsible for this/attacks like these in our own country or are they just hanging around waiting like vultures to take politica advantage of these horrific events?!

easyt65 on December 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Same thought crossed my mind too.

txhsmom on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

I am not going to offer any prayers, since I am an atheist, but it does occur to me that those children are not in heaven, and the shooters are not going to hell. These realities increase the horror I feel at this situation.
However my thoughts are with everyone. Should teachers be armed?

Dr. Manhattan on December 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Obvious troll is…obvious.

You-Eh-Vee on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

You can not protect the world from nuts by passing laws.
Mass shootings ONLY happen in places where people don’t carry guns.

Redglen on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

This will turn ordinary Americans against you gun freaks once and for all. Let’s hope so.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

You have insulted and denigrated someone for giving voice to their personal opinion

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM

It’s your right to act like a little crybaby. If you cannot accept criticism then go to a liberal site to be comforted.

I’ll pray for you.

Kingfisher on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

You-Eh-Vee on December 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Yup.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

So what you are saying is that because the “Overwhelming” majority of us are Christian, that the Atheists need to shut the hell up and keep their personal feelings and thoughts out of the public sphere, how effing magnanimous of you.

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

The atheists apparently need to grow a thicker skin if they all react as you have.

alwaysfiredup on December 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I suppose it hasn’t occurred to you that perhaps I might not be an atheist?

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Wow, dude killed his own mother. She was a teacher at the school.

xblade on December 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

ABC reports second shooter was wearing a bulletproof vest.

Remember how that worked out in Aurora?

It certainly is tragic. But give it 24 hours and you’ll see what the media really wants to sell to the masses.

The dead will be forgotten, the Brady Bunch will say that the shooters were wearing Body Armor and firing assaulting weapons with over-sized clips they bought at a garage sale and that SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.

I’d agree with the last part entirely but not with their preferred solution – train and arm the teachers. Make it a condition of the job that you have to be able to pass the police quals and carry a weapon – they are not hard at all (unfortunately in some cases).

If we’re trusting you to shape the minds of our children and also act in loco parentis, you’re also responsible for a best-efforts approach to their safety.

CorporatePiggy on December 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Mass shootings ONLY happen in places where people don’t carry guns.

Give it a rest you nutcase.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

I know its sad to even entertain such an idea, but – after Obama armed Mexican drug Cartels in order to create a high body count to justify anti-gun legislation – I found myself for a minute wondering if parts of our government could be responsible for this/attacks like these in our own country or are they just hanging around waiting like vultures to take politica advantage of these horrific events?!

easyt65 on December 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Yes, it is sad. It’s also borderline insane.

*shakes head

You-Eh-Vee on December 14, 2012 at 2:24 PM

From MKH’s UPDATE above:

Newtown Police received the 911 call at 9:30 a.m. They contacted state police and requested assistance from state police and surrounding police forces.

Now from a CBS story on the enhanced security measures put in place this year:

Dear Members of our Sandy Hook Family,

Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day…Doors will be locked at approximately 9:30 a.m. Any student arriving after that time must be walked into the building and signed in at the office. Before that time our regular drop-off procedures will be in place.

With the new timeline that MKH provided, and the letter that went out to parents on the new security elements, it’s clear that planning went into this.

Weight of Glory on December 14, 2012 at 2:24 PM

This will turn ordinary Americans against you gun freaks once and for all. Let’s hope so.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Then maybe you can provide your so-called excellent insight on exactly how you plan to implement your gun control laws.

Do you plan on requiring law enforcement to go to every single house?

Yeah, I know, you won’t respond. That’s why the vast majority of Americans are laughing at your stupidity.

Kingfisher on December 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

This will turn ordinary Americans against you gun freaks once and for all. Let’s hope so.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Thought the same about Muslims after 9/11, but there are more in America than ever.

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

If the reports are true that the perpetrator was a 20-year-old father of a student (who lived in a different state), we can safely assume there was a lot of dysfunction going on in that family. Just think how early would a guy have to start to have an elementary-age child at 20.

Awful.

CJ on December 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

I hope that hell exists so that people trolling on this thread can burn in it.

ConservativeLA on December 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

sharrukin on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM
kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 1:48 PM

What was offensive about it? He’s expressing his horror over this just like everyone else here is no matter what their beliefs are.

lexhamfox on December 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Wow, dude killed his own mother. She was a teacher at the school.

xblade on December 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Commuting from NJ? Weird. That implies she sided with daughter-in-law.

gh on December 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Shove it, trollboy.

katy the mean old lady on December 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I suppose it hasn’t occurred to you that perhaps I might not be an atheist?

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

I really don’t care.

alwaysfiredup on December 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The week before Christmas. Dear God.

stenwin77 on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Yeah, with presents already wrapped. That glass of scotch is going to be an entire bottle, I don’t deal with this shiite well, I get evil thoughts about the human trash in our society.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Trollcott, please.

CurtZHP on December 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

I second the motion.

novaculus on December 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

What was offensive about it? He’s expressing his horror over this just like everyone else here is no matter what their beliefs are.

lexhamfox on December 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

No, he isn’t. He is using the death of these children to trot out a cheap statement about his own ideology.

sharrukin on December 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

So what you are saying is that because the “Overwhelming” majority of us are Christian, that the Atheists need to shut the hell up and keep their personal feelings and thoughts out of the public sphere, how effing magnanimous of you.
SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Did I tell him to “shut the hell up”? NO! I didn’t. I merely pointed out that he acted inappropriate in a thread that requires mourning. And you’re doing the same by dragging it on.

jawkneemusic on December 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

This will turn ordinary Americans against you gun freaks once and for all. Let’s hope so.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Nah.

Chuck Schick on December 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

With the new timeline that MKH provided, and the letter that went out to parents on the new security elements, it’s clear that planning went into this.

Weight of Glory on December 14, 2012 at 2:24 PM

If the shooter was a father of one of the schoolchildren, he would have been allowed into the school since he would have provided the appropriate identification.

Kingfisher on December 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

This will turn ordinary Americans against you gun freaks once and for all. Let’s hope so.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

You need to define “gun freak”.

Bishop on December 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Apparently there was a knife attack on 22 students in China today as well.

LoganSix on December 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Give it a rest you nutcase.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

I hold out hope in my heart that people like you don’t really exist.. That you spout this sort of nonsense purely as a form of political combat for whatever reason. Is there any way that you actually believe like this? Are there people in the world who at their core hold these sort of beliefs or is it simply to be contrary to whatever beliefs your ‘enemies’ hold?

preallocated on December 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Get used to this…I’m afraid it will only get worse!! Our society is coming apart at the seams due to a variety of issues and to me the most troubling in the crumbling of the family core.

Deano1952 on December 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

This will turn ordinary Americans against you gun freaks once and for all. Let’s hope so.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Thought the same about Muslims after 9/11, but there are more in America than ever.

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

It’s. In. The. Constitution. “Gun freaks”/Republicans/NRA members/etc. are not the ones preventing gun control. Don’t like it, work to change it, but quit trolling here.

alwaysfiredup on December 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

This will turn ordinary Americans against you gun freaks once and for all. Let’s hope so.
lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Like Columbine? Piss off troll.

jawkneemusic on December 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Then maybe you can provide your so-called excellent insight on exactly how youplan to implement your gun control laws.

Do you plan on requiring law enforcement to go to every single house?

Yeah, I know, you won’t respond. That’s why the vast majority of Americans are laughing at your stupidity.

I don’t know. But something’s got to change. And all you NRA types can say is more guns. Arm teachers. Arm everybody. Can’t you see that this society is awash with guns *and* also awash with desperate, hopeless people….. Those poor children….those poor parents…

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Did I tell him to “shut the hell up”? NO! I didn’t. I merely pointed out that he acted inappropriate in a thread that requires mourning. And you’re doing the same by dragging it on.

jawkneemusic on December 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Actually that is exactly what you did, HE WAS expressing his horror at what happened. And you attacked him for it.

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

I don’t know. But something’s got to change. And all you NRA types can say is more guns. Arm teachers. Arm everybody. Can’t you see that this society is awash with guns *and* also awash with desperate, hopeless people….. Those poor children….those poor parents…

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Why don’t you make guns illegal? Sure cleaned up the drug problem.

Chuck Schick on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Demons in the open.

Dark times, dark times.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Piss off troll.

jawkneemusic

F*ck you. Msybe if someone you loved was hurt by guns you’d be a bit more compassionate. Go f*ck yourself.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Mass shootings ONLY happen in places where people don’t carry guns.

Give it a rest you nutcase.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Remember all the mass shootings you’ve read about at gun shows and gun ranges?

Yeah, me neither.

Socratease on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Reports that the shooter was “Ryan Lanza”.

There is a Ryan Lanza on facebook who lives in Hoboken, New Jersey and it says he is from Newton, Connecticut.

His last update on facebook was a new profile picture on December 8th.

No manifesto.

weaselyone on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Do you have a link to that?

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Comment section under this article from CBS NY. No one else seems to be able to source it, either, so I’m going to dismiss this as paranoia. If Carney had actually said that, I can’t imagine Drudge wouldn’t have the link up.

JimLennon on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Why don’t you make guns illegal?

Let’s make em freely available. Seems to working like a charm.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

You fools, Kennedy killed a woman with his car. Were cars outlawed?

Airplanes occasionally fall out of the sky. Are they outlawed.

You serf. May the slaveholders get a hold of you and yours.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

No, he isn’t. He is using the death of these children to trot out a cheap statement about his own ideology.

sharrukin on December 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

In any case, not a high-pri issue under the tragic circumstances. Why don’t we drop it?

DarkCurrent on December 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM

People tell me of a time when 10 year olds could buy guns and shoot in the woods and not much bad happened with that, maybe 50-60 years back. A modern person can’t even imagine such gun rights.
flawedskull on December 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Yup, that was a time before the leftists and the secularists destroyed the culture. We live in a depraved society now. It’s not surprising that this happens anymore. We have been desensitized by the left and as others have said, the line between good and evil, life and death has been blurred. We live in a nation were its acceptable to murder millions of babies a year and we’re supposed to be surprised when this happens? God isn’t going to continue to bless a society that allows his children to be murdered before they even get a chance to know him.

My question to lefties? Why is this an outrage yet murdering children in the womb isn’t? What? Because of their location at the time of the murder?

jawkneemusic on December 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

+1000

Instead of looking at what’s changed the last 20 years, let’s blame Inanimate objects that have been around for over 100 years, yeah that’s makes a lot of sense proggies.

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Let’s make em freely available. Seems to working like a charm.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Come to Sitzerland, fool.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM

If the shooter was a father of one of the schoolchildren, he would have been allowed into the school since he would have provided the appropriate identification.

Kingfisher on December 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

The point is that he went at a time when the doors would not be locked, allowing him to skip all that new check-in stuff. Thus premeditation. That will be helpful in building a case against the 2nd person that the police pulled out of the woods, if in fact he turns out to be a suspect.

Weight of Glory on December 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

You’re a fool and a ghoul.

wargamer6 on December 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Switzerland, fool.

Plus, the motherland is lost, due to fools like you.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM

F*ck you. Msybe if someone you loved was hurt by guns you’d be a bit more compassionate. Go f*ck yourself.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

You have nothing civil or intelligent to offer a conversation.

Chuck Schick on December 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Take your fake sympathies elsewhere, dolt.

22044 on December 14, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Let’s make em freely available. Seems to working like a charm.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Every citizen of Switzerland has a firearm. They don’t have much trouble at all with mass killings. It’s not the guns that are causing the problem, it’s much deeper than that.

alwaysfiredup on December 14, 2012 at 2:33 PM

If the shooter was a father of one of the schoolchildren, he would have been allowed into the school since he would have provided the appropriate identification.

Kingfisher on December 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

If a.223 caliber was used, the dude would have been most likely been carrying a rifle. Don’t know how he could have concealed that so he could be granted entry.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 2:33 PM

If the reports are true that the perpetrator was a 20-year-old father of a student (who lived in a different state), we can safely assume there was a lot of dysfunction going on in that family. Just think how early would a guy have to start to have an elementary-age child at 20.

Awful.

CJ on December 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Now they are saying he is in his 20′s, so he may be a little older.

mbs on December 14, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Hey lefties, if guns are so bad and are the reason he commuted this atrocity, then why is your Messiah arming millions of Syrian Jihadis? Why not just air drop millions of wiffle ball bats?

jawkneemusic on December 14, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Let’s make em freely available. Seems to working like a charm.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

They aren’t freely available. Go educate yourself on gun laws.

Chuck Schick on December 14, 2012 at 2:34 PM

China, Friedman/Krugmann and Immelt’s, not to speak of DK’s ultimate dream land.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 2:34 PM

This will turn ordinary Americans against you gun freaks once and for all. Let’s hope so.

lostmotherland on December 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM

You referring to our Founding Fathers?

stenwin77 on December 14, 2012 at 2:34 PM

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