Developing: Multiple fatalities in elementary school shooting in Connecticut; Update: At least 26 dead?

posted at 1:01 pm on December 14, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

CBS is reporting that 27 people have been killed by a lone gunman at an elementary school in Connecticut:

CBS News is reporting that 27 people are dead, including 14 students, after a shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. The gunman is among the dead.

CBS News’ John Miller reports there is preliminary information that the gunman was the father of one of the students. Miller additionally reports the gunman is 20 years old and is from New Jersey.

The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting said. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way. It is not known whether the shooter took his own life or was killed.

Updates to follow.

Update: An interview with one of the students on the scene:

Update: Fox is confirming that at least 26 people have been killed:

DEVELOPING: Authorities say at least 26 people, including 18 children, were killed Friday when a gunman opened fire inside a Connecticut elementary school.

A law enforcement official said the shooter, who is dead, is believed to be a father of one of the students at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.

An official with knowledge of the situation told the Associated Press that the man apparently had two guns.

Earlier reports of a second gunman are unconfirmed. The Connecticut Post reports that police are also questioning a handcuffed man in connection with the shooting. Witnesses told the newspaper he was led out of the woods by officers.

Update: While it appears that one gunman is dead, there are more unconfirmed reports of a possible second gunman:

Police report that the school is now cleared of shooters, but they are still treating it as an active shooter situation and all schools in the district remain locked down. There are unconfirmed reports of a second shooter, but it is unclear what happened to that gunman.

State police officers have gone classroom to classroom to make sure the school is clear. Authorities are searching the area, doing roadblocks and checking suspicious vehicles out of an abundance of caution. There are also unconfirmed reports that authorities have surrounded a purple van in Danbury that may be connected to the shooting. …

The first 911 call reportedly came in just after 9:40 a.m., stating that multiple students were trapped in a classroom with a gunman, who authorities say was an adult who had at least two guns. The school locks its exterior doors during the school day, so it is unclear how the gunman or gunmen gained access to the building.

Update: From the White House:

“There is — will be, rather — a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates but I don’t think that day is today,” Carney said, noting also that President Obama believes that “it’s important on a day like to day to  . . . feel enormous sympathy for families that are affected and to do everything we can to support state and local law enforcement and to support those who are enduring what appears to be a very tragic event.”

Update:

Update (MKH):

Local law enforcement held a press conference around 1:45 p.m., with a spokesman for Gov. Malloy and a Lt. Paul Vance in the state police force. There wasn’t much that we don’t already know, but there’s a bit about the timeline of the day.

Newtown Police received the 911 call at 9:30 a.m. They contacted state police and requested assistance from state police and surrounding police forces.

Police entered the school immediately upon arrival and conducted an active shooter search, which means “every door, every crack, every crevice, every portion of that school” was searched, Vance said.

“There were several fatalities at the scene, both students and staff,” Vance said, but said no specific information was being given out until all notifications were made.

“The shooter is deceased inside the building,” Vance said. “The scene is secure.”

Vance said there’s a great deal of search warrant activity going on, and many agencies are working on answering the many questions in this horrific incident.

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CBS and NBC saying a SECOND shooter has just been taken into custody.

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Very, very disturbing. I pray for the slain children and their parents. May G-d give them the strength to get through this needless tragedy.

DDay on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Pure evil.

Parents, please read the excellent article below then forward to your children’s school.

http://survivalblog.com/2012/03/a-parents-guide-to-surviing-school-rampage-shootings-by-greg-ellifritz.html

TeleL on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Fox- second shooter taken into custody.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

How many mass shooting tragedies has occurred in countries with complete bans on guns versus the US? That defeats any stupid arguments you have.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Could you at least wait until the bodies are cold to start talking about banning guns? Filthy bastard!

Happy Nomad on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

2nd shooter in custody? 4 weapons.

JPeterman on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

We appear to have our own brand of suicide bombers, just different tools.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM

That’s the metaphor that needs to get out.

It’s the best way people are going to be able to put this in context.

budfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

SECOND SHOOTER IN CUSTODY. FRY HIM!

GhoulAid on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Did he seriously write that? Even Costas had more tact than that. What a vile piece of crap.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Isn’t David Frum a go-to Republican for the media? Joking about allowing children to conceal-carry? Can’t we drum people out of the Republican Party? Shun them?

Paul-Cincy on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

At this point, all the gun banners and the gun ban lobby will pile out of their cesspools, wringing their hands and blaming the guns and the second amendment.

I posit that it is actually the first amendment that is the problem and the libruls are the root cause of this violence. Listen to the first amendment rap, promoted by libruls. Look at the national media making heros of hoodies, gang bangers, nambla, and other scum. Look at all the TV programs with libtard actors and lots of gratuitous violence. If a young person wants a little fame (notoriety – the IV league educated MSM doesn’t know the difference) either nationally or in his/her own neighborhood, just shoot something up with a stolen gun. What ever you do, don’t send these “chilluns” to prison. Don’t teach them how to speak common english so they can get a job. That will ruin their lives and teach them to do bad things.

We could put a stop to this, you know.

Old Country Boy on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Attaboy! Milk it!

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Second person in custody – Rush

Mr. Arrogant on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

nonpartisan go to hell.

tom daschle concerned on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

CBS: 2nd gunman in custody!

idesign on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Piss off.

jawkneemusic on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Im glad one of the shooters has been caught…death is too easy. too bad theres no torture. I hope the inmates will inflict his due before his death penalty.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Did he seriously write that? Even Costas had more tact than that. What a vile piece of crap.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM

hell yes he did, and now the usual suspects are getting in on the act. Michael Moore, Piers Morgan – these people should burn in hell

Slade73 on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Doesn’t Connecticut have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country?

Mohonri on December 14, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Actually, I just looked it up; SC is pretty reasonable for an East Coast state.

However, because of federal law, legal CCW holders are prohibited from carrying in a public school, so this deranged psycho had a totally unarmed victim zone available to him.

AZfederalist on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Another mass shooting in a gun free zone – and the libs continue to blame the gun instead of the criminal himself and the ineffective gun control laws.
“Gun free zone” simply means “lots of defenseless targets”.

dentarthurdent on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China
http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,5592318.story

BEIJING (Reuters) – A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China on Friday, state media reported, the latest in a series of attacks on schoolchildren in the country.

There have been a series of attacks on schools and schoolchildren around China in recent years, some by people who have lost their jobs or felt left out of the country’s economic boom.

The rash of violence has prompted public calls for more measures to protect the young in a country where many couples only have one child.

In 2010, a man slashed 28 children, two teachers and a security guard in a kindergarten in eastern China.

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Isn’t David Frum a go-to Republican for the media? Joking about allowing children to conceal-carry? Can’t we drum people out of the Republican Party? Shun them?

Paul-Cincy on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Frum’s a Republican as much as Zell Miller is a Demcorat.

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Dunblane DejaVu

Sad and sick… those poor kids.

lexhamfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Unimaginable …

[Historically, it seems that America is seeing a rapid rise in severe mental illness (one need look no further than the Obama White House) coupled with former Sen. Moynihan's observation on society's "Defining Deviancy Down" (one need look to further than the Clinton White House).]

… and Foreboding.

ShainS on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

“Could you at least wait until the bodies are cold to start talking about banning guns? Filthy bastard!

Happy Nomad on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM”

like the gunnuts waited before espousing on the uselessness of gun laws…oh wait that was like the 6th comment…didnt see you complaining then.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Prayers.

rogerb on December 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Not a troll. Just able to see the big picture. Every time some nut job does something like this, it gives the socialists more “ammo” against the 2nd amendment. I agree this is a tragedy regardless of 2nd amendment issues.

hatecraft on December 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM

$4 TRILLION PLUS in stimulus spending…..that can’t pay for ARMED SECURITY AT PUBLIC SCHOOLS?

I blame Obama and the Democrats!!!

Why do they hate public school children?

You KNOW the Dems will be blaming the gop for NOT paying for this in the Education budget.

PappyD61 on December 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Not sure that this applies. I saw a TV report that the schools in this town go on lockdown at 9:30 and that you have to get buzzed into the school.

BuckeyeSam on December 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Guns will be blamed instead of this totally immoral and insane society the worthless 60′s generation has created.

ClassicCon on December 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM

cam2 on December 14, 2012 at 1:19 PM

How long have guns been around?

Now why have these tragedies been only recent occurrences?

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I heard there was a spontaneous protest outside the school before this happened.

antisense on December 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Please don’t try and defend stupid and insensitive. Those 8 staff members had families and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that they died trying to protect the children in their charge. I just can’t fathom how anybody could do something like this.

Happy Nomad on December 14, 2012 at 1:19 PM

I was referring to gangbangers who kill each other over any reason at all.
the Staff personnel who died in this tragedy .. protecting and guarding
these children are heros.

conservative tarheel on December 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM

One Teacher, Principl, or Staff member with a lis. to carry and able and willing to use it.

We are going to do that here in Texas.

One School, Harold Texas has already, to close to a interstate highway. So now the teachers with lis. do carry.

On college campus,, even students with lis. to carry will

These people are more defenseless than the Apache women and children a few bows and arrows and some knives and hatchets.

The way they leave schools ect now is just asking for it. imho.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Meghan Kelley trying to figure out what a .223 caliber is. ” Is it a shotgun?”

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

“Another mass shooting in a gun free zone – and the libs continue to blame the gun instead of the criminal himself and the ineffective gun control laws.
“Gun free zone” simply means “lots of defenseless targets”.

dentarthurdent on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM”

So how many mass shootings happen in complete gun banned countries? According to your idiotic logic, those would be target heaven for crazies right, since the entire country is free of guns!!!

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

You are a despicable heartless prick…

PatriotRider on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Paul-Cincy on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Frum’s a Republican as much as Zell Miller is a Demcorat.

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Frum’s a progressive liberal militarist.

Robert_Paulson on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

we don’t know if the 2nd guy was the shooter or just getting the heck out of dodge

cmsinaz on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

I am about to puke…could care less about adults, but dead kids make me lose it.

ClassicCon on December 14, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Everyone freaking out about this, it’s always more tragic when a child’s life is taken; and that adults being killed is sadly par for the course in today’s world, but when children are killed it just makes you sad for the world. Pretty sure that’s all they meant by this, not that they were happy the adults were killed.

Take a deep breath and calm down.

nextgen_repub on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

How many mass shooting tragedies has occurred in countries with complete bans on guns versus the US? That defeats any stupid arguments you have.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Since most shooting deaths are not even related to mass shootings, your entire premise is faulty.

What I’ve come to expect from libtards “thinking.”

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Also: Knife wielding man injures 22 students in China

Have we considered the possibility of 2012 Doomsday cult idiocy? At least the Heaven’s Gate people didn’t kill anyone other than themselves.

JimLennon on December 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM

SECOND SHOOTER IN CUSTODY. FRY HIM!

GhoulAid on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

CT did away wi their death penalty last year, I think. I don’t pay much attention to CT politics since I moved from there, but I’m pretty sure they don’t have a DP anymore.

joejm65 on December 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM

For those that wonder, Newtown is as idealic as it comes when thinking of small town New England living. It’s a place that you feel safe leaving the house unlocked and leaving your keys in the car when going inside the general store for coffee, and a bacon and egg sandwich in the morning.

CTSherman on December 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM

gun laws won’t work on a state by state basis

guns need to be banned from the country period.

the argument that guns dont kill people, people do is retarded. of course guns dont kill by themselves, but guns allow crazy emotional people to inflict crazy damage in a short period of time.

I’m pissed beyond belief that this unnecessary tragedy continues to happen…

for all the gun supporters, answer me this:

How many mass shooting tragedies has occurred in countries with complete bans on guns versus the US? That defeats any stupid arguments you have.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Now not all of these murders were by firing squad, but if their victims were certainly unarmed.

61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Union
35,236,000 Murdered: Communist china
20,946,000 Murdered: Nazi Germany

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

JellyToast on December 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Meghan Kelley trying to figure out what a .223 caliber is. ” Is it a shotgun?”

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Kelly fits right in with the other nit wits at FOX.

Mr. Arrogant on December 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Despicable…

PatriotRider on December 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Well, looks like the gun control laws worked again. No one on the scene fired back at the shooter who fired at least 100 rounds.!!!

Anybody interview Bob Costas, yet?

patch on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Fox saying shooter was 20-year-old man.

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Fox says the dead shooter was a 20-year-old male.

BuckeyeSam on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

CT did away wi their death penalty last year, I think. I don’t pay much attention to CT politics since I moved from there, but I’m pretty sure they don’t have a DP anymore.

joejm65 on December 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM

They have an extenuating circumstance clause.

But the second person wasn’t found in the school.

He was in the woods.

budfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I don’t know how you get to a place where you could do this to innocent little kids.

JeremiahJohnson on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

If you’d live and go to jail I can’t imagine how you’d survive very long. It’s the most abhorrent thing. There’s a strong impulse to want to destroy whatever was in him that motivated him to do this.

Paul-Cincy on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

:(

lester on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Never….. Ever, take anything for granted.
I’m guessing my hugs for my kids tonight will be a little
bit longer than usual. Somehow I don’t think I’ll
be the only one who feels the same way.

SnakeHips on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Unimaginable …

[Historically, it seems that America is seeing a rapid rise in severe mental illness (one need look no further than the Obama White House) coupled with former Sen. Moynihan's observation on society's "Defining Deviancy Down" (one need look to further than the Clinton White House).]

… and Foreboding.

ShainS on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

While I disagreed with Moynihan’s liberal economic views, his social views “Defining Deviancy Down” is more prevalent than ever.

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Im glad one of the shooters has been caught…death is too easy. too bad theres no torture. I hope the inmates will inflict his due before his death penalty.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

he will never seen the general population … he will be kept in
solitary confinement he will not be allowed to kill himself or be killed
by anyone but the state

conservative tarheel on December 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Dunblane DejaVu

Sad and sick… those poor kids.

lexhamfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

And they compounded that tragedy by taking away the people’s right of self-defense.

Should we make the same tragic mistake here?

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Pappy…Andrea Mitchell must have heard you….she just talked about gun control….

cmsinaz on December 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Brian Ross frantically searching for a possible Tea Party connection.

JPeterman on December 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM

hell yes he did, and now the usual suspects are getting in on the act. Michael Moore, Piers Morgan – these people should burn in hell

Slade73 on December 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Nah, I just want someone to ask them a simple question. It’s late at night, you hear a sound in your house, you peek out your bedroom door and spot an intruder armed with a gun. Would you prefer having access to a gun or would you rather there be laws making that illegal? I defy any one of those libtards to honestly choose the latter with a straight face(especially if they have young kids).

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM

If they lock all doors, how did these terrorists enter the building?

stenwin77 on December 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM

How many mass shooting tragedies has occurred in countries with complete bans on guns versus the US? That defeats any stupid arguments you have.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

How many crimes are prevented each year from the simple wielding of a firearm by either a potential victim or a good Samaritan?

Answer: Far more than by police, moron.

That trumps the only stupid argument you think you have …

ShainS on December 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM

SECOND SHOOTER IN CUSTODY. FRY HIM!

GhoulAid on December 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Figure it out folks. If there were two gunmen, and one of them is dead, they were most likely shooting it out between the two of them.

SWalker on December 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM

If only we had Germany’s gun control laws, which are some of the strictest in the world, we would never have to worry about nutters going on rampages in schools.

Oh, wait…

Oh, and never mind…

I SAID “Let’s move on, people! There’s NOTHING to see here!

That’s right! Until this morning, Germany had 3 of the top 5 worst school shootings in the world.

You know what they needed?

More cowbell gun control! Each new set of gun control laws prevented the massacre that happened after the one that occurred before the laws went into effect. /

Resist We Much on December 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

now it’s blame reality tv and computer games

cmsinaz on December 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Fox saying shooter was 20-year-old man.

steebo77 on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

And he was the father of one of the kindergarten kids? He knocked up some girl when he was in the 9th grade?!

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Welcome to Obamaville….

tommyboy on December 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Brian Ross frantically searching for a possible Tea Party connection.

JPeterman on December 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I’m pretty sure Sarah Palin has had some connection to elementary schools in her past …

ShainS on December 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

For those that wonder, Newtown is as idealic as it comes when thinking of small town New England living. It’s a place that you feel safe leaving the house unlocked and leaving your keys in the car when going inside the general store for coffee, and a bacon and egg sandwich in the morning.

CTSherman on December 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Yep. You pretty much nailed it.

joejm65 on December 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM

ABC saying shooter is 24.

wargamer6 on December 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Keep pushing God out of the culture — reap the consequences.

stenwin77 on December 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM

There is — will be, rather — a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates

puhleeze

cmsinaz on December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

now it’s blame reality tv and computer games

cmsinaz on December 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Agreed, Liberal Hollywood is to blame for this.

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Shooter drove in from Jersey. Parent of a student.

Apparently…he was near the kindergarten class room.

Killed the principle and an assistant in the office. Wounded the vice.

Most likely killed his child.

budfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Another “estranged husband” situation?

Ward Cleaver on December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

The town is white-ville.

It is not islamoterror.

Mass shooting are like an airborne virus now.

Happens one place. A psychotic fixates on the coverage, becomes infected.

He killed an entire kindergarten classroom.

budfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

That didn’t take long:

Execrable ghoul David Frum mocks victims of Conn. school shooting; Update: Eric Boehlert, Piers Morgan join in; Update: Michael Moore, Mia Farrow swoop in
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/14/execrable-ghoul-david-frum-mocks-victims-of-conn-school-shooting/

Shooting at CT elementary school. Obviously, we need to lower the age limit for concealed carry so toddlers can defend themselves.

(@davidfrum) December 14, 2012

But not to be outdone, hacktastic gun control zealot Piers Morgan oh-so-tastefully inserted himself into the narrative:

Another day, another horrific shooting – this time at an elementary school in Connecticut. America’s gun culture has to change.—
Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) December 14, 2012

Look at this appalling photo and tell me America doesn’t need tougher gun control: bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-…—
Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) December 14, 2012

Update:

Like a rabid vulture, Michael Moore has swooped in to pick at the tragedy:

Only minutes away from pundits & politicians say, “This isn’t the time to talk about gun control.” Really? When is that moment?—
Michael Moore (@MMFlint) December 14, 2012

Stop it, Michael. Now is the moment to mourn the lives lost.

Mia Farrow needs to remember that, too:

WHEN are we going to have tighter gun control laws??????—
mia farrow (@MiaFarrow) December 14, 2012

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Just as horrible is that the people who survived will forever remember this tragedy, and the terrified parents wondering if their little one is among the deceased.

Then there are the liberal ghouls who can’t just call this a tragedy or disaster, and leave it at that.

Liam on December 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM

The devil is loose in this world. My God! What type of evil is within some people that they would cavalierly take other people’s lives. It must be an incredible evil.

milemarker2020 on December 14, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Force God out of the culture and Satan will gladly fill the vacuum.

Ward Cleaver on December 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM

For those who think that this kind of violence is new:

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age [1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history and the fourth-deadliest massacre in U.S. history, behind the Oklahoma City bombing, the Mountain Meadows massacre and 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Happy Nomad on December 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Another “estranged husband” situation?

Ward Cleaver on December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

It seems so.

I’m guessing…

Custody situation.

Child most likely in the Kinder class. Killed them and everyone else.

budfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM

How many mass shooting tragedies has occurred in countries with complete bans on guns versus the US? That defeats any stupid arguments you have.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Look at school shootings:

#1. Erfurt, Germany, 2002, 18 were killed.

#2. Dunblane, Scotland, 1996, 16 kindergarteners and their teacher were shot.

#3. Winnenden, Germany, 2009, 15 murdered.

#4. Columbine, 1999, leaving 13 killed.

#5. Emsdetten, Germany, 2006, 11 murdered.

Germany has very strict gun laws. In fact, the German laws are far stricter than existing gun control in the US, or the restrictions that are routinely discussed here. Germany has strict licencing and registration requirements. Valid licences expire after 3 years. To even get a licence, people must past background cheques that include a demonstration of characteristics such as the subjective “trustworthiness” and convince the authorities that they have an urgent necessity for a gun. Of course, Germany also has requirements against licencing alcohol or drug addicts, those with mental disorders, people with violent or aggressive tendencies, and felony convictions.

The UK has the strictest gun laws in the world and we still have gun crimes. Primarily, they are spree killings like that occurred in Cumbria. Of course, since the UK is the most violent country in the EU, those meanies are redesigning the pint. Why? Because pint glasses lead to 5,500 stabbings in pubs every year. Have pint glass, will kill!

MORAL OF THE STORY:

MORE GUNS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO MORE GUN CRIMES.

PS: How many school shootings have there been in Switzerland where nearly ever household in the country has at least one gun?

Resist We Much on December 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM

It is not islamoterror.

budfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

And you know this how?

Mr. Arrogant on December 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM

I was just talking to my brother about this who reminded me that the first single episode mass murderer like this was Henry Unruh who killed 13 people (including three children) on September 6, 1949, in Camden, New Jersey.

The first school shooting in the US was in 1764. One adult and at least 9 children were killed. Pontiac’s Rebellion school Massacre. It’s not a new phenomena.

Quisp on December 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Resist We Much on December 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Lest we forget the murderer who killed 77 children in Norway.

22044 on December 14, 2012 at 1:39 PM

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Fluke you, until you bleed, without tourniquets, you tyrannical bastid.

Kennedy killed a woman with a car. Were cars outlawed?

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 1:39 PM

sentinelrules on December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

no way, it’s those crazy gun toting ocnservatives…
-lib hollywood

cmsinaz on December 14, 2012 at 1:39 PM

So how many mass shootings happen in complete gun banned countries? According to your idiotic logic, those would be target heaven for crazies right, since the entire country is free of guns!!!

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Let’s start with Norway you moron. What was it – 71 dead there?
How many mass shootings have there been that were NOT in a gun free zone? Answer that one idiot.

dentarthurdent on December 14, 2012 at 1:39 PM

You know, I’m just leaving. I just got married, very excited to start a family, but this just doesn’t happen everywhere. There’s a sickness that leads to this, and for whatever reason that sickness seems more pronounced here than elsewhere.

ernesto on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM

The first school shooting in the US was in 1764. One adult and at least 9 children were killed. Pontiac’s Rebellion school Massacre. It’s not a new phenomena.

Quisp on December 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Well that’s because our depraved forefathers had that sick “gun culture”.

Doughboy on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Dunblane DejaVu

Sad and sick… those poor kids.

lexhamfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

And they compounded that tragedy by taking away the people’s right of self-defense.

Should we make the same tragic mistake here?

Galt2009 on December 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM

No. Different countries, culture, laws. I mentioned Dunblane because of kids being shot, not as some kind of call for a handgun ban in the wake of this slaughter.

lexhamfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM

How many crimes are prevented each year from the simple wielding of a firearm by either a potential victim or a good Samaritan?

ShainS on December 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM

According to Florida State University and the FBI, 2.5 million annually.

In less than 0.9% of cases is the weapon fired. Simply showing it prevents the crime.

Break down – 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes prevented by a legal gun each day

Washington Nearsider on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM

RWM, 22044 and others made gnatbrain go squish in seconds.

What a FOOL you are, the one with a very stupid nom.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Not a troll. Just able to see the big picture. Every time some nut job does something like this, it gives the socialists more “ammo” against the 2nd amendment. I agree this is a tragedy regardless of 2nd amendment issues.

2nd Amendment rights everywhere except schools + mass-shooting in a school = we need to get rid of the 2nd Amendment?

That math doesn’t add up.

Israel used to have Islamist terrorists come in and shoot up their schools. So they armed teachers and trained them to shoot back. Problem solved.

Probably won’t work here, though. Not because it isn’t a good idea, but because public schools are all run by liberals.

Socratease on December 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM

ernesto on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Adios!!!

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM

ernesto on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM
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Try France.

Mr. Arrogant on December 14, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Switzerland has the second highest gun ownership rate of all industrialised countries behind the US. 22% of all households have fully automatic weapons. The gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept. The country has a population of 6 million, but there are estimated to be at least 2 million firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols.

In the US, 60 million (or less than 20%) of the population own 200 million guns. In Switzerland, there are less guns per capita, but VIRTUALLY EVERY HOME HAS AT LEAST ONE WEAPON.

Now, get this:

The army sells a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons. Purchasers of these weapons require an easily obtained cantonal licence, and the weapons are registered.

Besides subsidised military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too. While long guns require no special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority. A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18, who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are no restrictions on the carrying of long guns. About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have no rules at all There is no discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require no purchase permit and are not registered by the government. Thus, the only long guns registered by the government are full automatics. Three cantons do require collectors of more than 10 guns to register.

While there are around 200 million guns in the United States, only about 20% of Americans own guns. There may only be 2 million guns in Switzerland, a country of 6 million people, but nearly EVERY household is armed.

Resist We Much on December 14, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Dollars to pesos says the shooters are Islamists.

Lawdawg86 on December 14, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Washington Nearsider on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I mean each year. Sorry.

Washington Nearsider on December 14, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Mass shooting are like an airborne virus now.

Happens one place. A psychotic fixates on the coverage, becomes infected. He killed an entire kindergarten classroom.

budfox on December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Yep. It will contimue as media frenzy hypes each event. Everything will be blamed except the media.

a capella on December 14, 2012 at 1:42 PM

WHEN are we going to have tighter gun control laws??????—
mia farrow (@MiaFarrow) December 14, 2012

Maybe when you’re able to stop your filmmaker boyfriend from dumping you for your adopted daughter?

JimLennon on December 14, 2012 at 1:43 PM

guns need to be banned from the country period.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

That would require a constitutional amendment. why don’t you get cracking on that.

alwaysfiredup on December 14, 2012 at 1:43 PM

My heart goes out to the families of the victims of this terrible tragedy in Connecticut today. Words can’t express the horror everyone feels in seeing such evil manifested against innocent children. Nothing could be worse than the murder of innocent children. Let’s all pray for the victims, their families, and the whole nation.

Sarah Palin

kingsjester on December 14, 2012 at 1:43 PM

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