Great news: Your permanent record is now available on demand

posted at 10:01 am on December 13, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Remember when government needed something called a warrant or even probable cause to look at your records?  Good times, good times.  I’m nostalgic for the halcyon days of, er, February of this year, before the Attorney General of the United States signed off on an order allowing the government to access pretty much everything it wanted in the name of counterterrorism.  The Wall Street Journal found out about the order and got a FOIA request to force its exposure:

Top U.S. intelligence officials gathered in the White House Situation Room in March to debate a controversial proposal. Counterterrorism officials wanted to create a government dragnet, sweeping up millions of records about U.S. citizens—even people suspected of no crime.

Not everyone was on board. “This is a sea change in the way that the government interacts with the general public,” Mary Ellen Callahan, chief privacy officer of the Department of Homeland Security, argued in the meeting, according to people familiar with the discussions.

A week later, the attorney general signed the changes into effect.

Through Freedom of Information Act requests and interviews with officials at numerous agencies, The Wall Street Journal has reconstructed the clash over the counterterrorism program within the administration of President Barack Obama. The debate was a confrontation between some who viewed it as a matter of efficiency—how long to keep data, for instance, or where it should be stored—and others who saw it as granting authority for unprecedented government surveillance of U.S. citizens.

The rules now allow the little-known National Counterterrorism Center to examine the government files of U.S. citizens for possible criminal behavior, even if there is no reason to suspect them. That is a departure from past practice, which barred the agency from storing information about ordinary Americans unless a person was a terror suspect or related to an investigation.

Now, NCTC can copy entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others. The agency has new authority to keep data about innocent U.S. citizens for up to five years, and to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior. Previously, both were prohibited. Data about Americans “reasonably believed to constitute terrorism information” may be permanently retained.

Well, hey, we can trust the American government to handle this properly, soberly, and with caution, right?  At least the data will stay with accountable US officials.  Whew.  That’s a load off of my mind — er, what’s that? Um …

The changes also allow databases of U.S. civilian information to be given to foreign governments for analysis of their own. In effect, U.S. and foreign governments would be using the information to look for clues that people might commit future crimes.

“It’s breathtaking” in its scope, said a former senior administration official familiar with the White House debate.

The good news: Saudi Arabia might now have all of our firearm registration data.  What could go wrong?

Say, remember when Congress used to be involved in writing laws and making policy in the US?  Good times, good times.  Perhaps Congress might want to investigate what the Department of Justice and the National Counterterrorism Center has been doing with the 4th Amendment.  Eric Holder should be subpoenaed and forced to testify under oath about his order, and find out whether Congress got consulted or bypassed entirely on this decision.

It’s interesting how all this came out after the election, huh?  Maybe the name “Julia” for one of Barack Obama’s campaign themes was well chosen.

Update: A couple of commenters blame the Patriot Act for this move.  However, the Patriot Act was passed by Congress, and has been extended and somewhat limited by Congress in multiple extensions.  Congress can repeal it at any time, just as they can any statute.  Regardless of the debatable wisdom of the Patriot Act — which I supported at those times — it didn’t give the executive branch carte blanche to access records without some sort of probable cause, nor share those records with foreign governments, and it didn’t get imposed unilaterally by the executive branch. This is a completely new abuse of power, and Congress should be furious over it, as should the rest of us.


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If this had been the Bush administration……..

Ann on December 13, 2012 at 10:04 AM

The prolitereat need to be closely monitored for their own safety.

acyl72 on December 13, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Does this mean everyone will know about my double secret probation in college?

Paul-Cincy on December 13, 2012 at 10:04 AM

The changes also allow databases of U.S. civilian information to be given to foreign governments for analysis of their own.

The good news: Saudi Arabia might now have all of our firearm registration data. What could go wrong?

And then Saudi Arabia can supply that same information back to US agencies effectively nullifying whatever meager restrictions on this data that still exists.

sharrukin on December 13, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Something evil this way comes.

Naturally Curly on December 13, 2012 at 10:07 AM

This is great news! This means that I can now get copies of Obambi’s college transcripts, right? Oh wait…

MikeinPRCA on December 13, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Perhaps Congress might want to investigate what the Department of Justice and the National Counterterrorism Center has been doing with the 4th Amendment. Eric Holder should be subpoenaed and forced to testify under oath about his order, and find out whether Congress got consulted or bypassed entirely on this decision.

…and when they do!…what’s going to happen?
THANK YOU!…FREE Press…!!!

KOOLAID2 on December 13, 2012 at 10:08 AM

The good news: Saudi Arabia might now have all of our firearm registration data. What could go wrong?

Okay, AP, stop posting under Ed’s name. ;-)

Say, remember when Congress used to be involved in writing laws and making policy in the US?

Yeah, Boehner has voluntarily given up that authority to support Obama. While the Democrats bear the brunt of the blame for blowing up the country, I will never forgive the Republican Party that treasonously sat back, gave up their power, and allowed Obama to become a Hugo Chavez-like dictator.

Doomberg on December 13, 2012 at 10:10 AM

No, none of this came out during the election much as almost nothing of substance about the inner workings of this administration came out. Fast and Furious? Benghazi? Meh. Now this. We have without question an anti-American President and a GOP candidate with absolutely no interest in exposing that fact. Nos conservatives are shelved in the House and the GOP leadership there is ready to give Obama another lapdance. What’s the point of being an opposition if you never mount an opposition?

UnrepentantCurmudgeon on December 13, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Remember when the Left was apoplectic over FISA warrants, carried out under law, Constitutionally. NSA monitoring communication with overseas targets of interest or known terrorists was considered grounds for impeachment on the floor of both the House and Senate?

The Left wanted to lynch G.W. Bush on the White House lawn.

So…now that the Left is running the asylum…they have no problem at all with this sort of stuff, and have expanded it well beyond any semblance of privacy rights, individual freedom and due process of law?

Gutting the Bill of Rights is perfectly OK for the Left.

Obama’s BFF harry Belafonte wants Obama to imprison the “opposition” just like Third-world dictators do.

How nice.

This Nation has been destroyed, already, and most Americans haven’t a clue…so long as they get their free phone and can watch Honey-Boo-Boo or Survivor, it’s all good, right?

coldwarrior on December 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM


clues that people might commit future crimes

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Hey lefties, you wanted more government, well this is more government. Congratulations on dodging that Romney bullet, what a disaster he would have been for civil rights and transparency.

Bishop on December 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM

My mother warned me about that “permanent record”……

UltimateBob on December 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Now, NCTC can copy entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others.

What about unfriendly commenters on a conservative blog?

Night Owl on December 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I am almost eager for the Mayan Prophecies to come true…be right on target. [We got about a week, right?]

It’ll take that sort of catastrophe to cleanse this Nation of this entrenched Leftist/Progressive evil.

Starting over, from scratch, might not be such a bad thing after all.

coldwarrior on December 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Congress should pass a law requiring the National Counterterrorism Center to notify anybody NOT under investigation when they retain such data.

Failing that, which is about 100% likely, I think we all should file FOIA requests for any data about ourselves being held by the National Counterterrorism Center. In other words, drown the bastards in bureaucracy the way Hawaii was drowned over requests about the devil’s spawn I refer to as the rat-eared wonder.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM

The most dangerous thing I do is post on Hotair. :)

Bob's Kid on December 13, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Congress should pass a law requiring the National Counterterrorism Center to notify anybody NOT under investigation when they retain such data.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM

The Republicans don’t care. They support this, or they’d have acted already.

Doomberg on December 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM

The only mandate Obama received in November was from the MSM. Which unequivocally reinforced their SOP of bias, hypocrisy, lies, omission and outright fabrication of truth so as to protect The Messiah and his agenda. These folks need to be treated like an rabid animal……. enough is enough!

dmann on December 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM

So we are officially comrades now.

docflash on December 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM

So what do you think of the Patriot Act, Ed, and Bush’s creation of DHS and TSA?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Probable cause is racist. So are warrants.

CorporatePiggy on December 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM

let me be first…

I expect a troll free thread.

Bushhhhhhhh!!!111!!!

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM

OT (morning pick’er upper)

I live in NYC, and I just heard a couple of teachers leading a whole class of children singing carols…

….Christmas carols.

:D

They weren’t singing diversity tunes, but Christmas carols!

blatantblue on December 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Still, it’s not as if a government Black Ops team is going to kick down my door and kidna

Bishop on December 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM

So what do you think of the Patriot Act, Ed, and Bush’s creation of DHS and TSA?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM

whoa!! looky here! What do YOU think of the Patriot Act, DHS and the TSA now that your guys are running massively expanding them Dante?

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM

So what do you think of the Patriot Act, Ed, and Bush’s creation of DHS and TSA?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM

What do YOU think of them, troll?

Paul-Cincy on December 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Hmmm, Ed is perfectly OK with Citizens being placed under surveillance on Buses, Planes and Trains, but not ok with this teensy little government intrusion? Here is your “No Expectation of Privacy” Ed. The Government is a Public Institute, therefore,you have “No Expectation of Privacy” regarding anything that the Government does.

SWalker on December 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM

More good news!

UN control of the internet

dmann on December 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Hey lefties, you wanted more government, well this is more government. Congratulations on dodging that Romney bullet, what a disaster he would have been for civil rights and transparency.

Bishop on December 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Still, it’s not as if a government Black Ops team is going to kick down my door and kidna

Bishop on December 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM

The compound wall grows ever higer.

hawkdriver on December 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM

The transformation of the USA into an oppressive communist third-world country is progressing as planned.

The Rogue Tomato on December 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Bush unlocked the floodgate, but Barky threw it open wide.

Archivarix on December 13, 2012 at 10:29 AM

So what do you think of the Patriot Act, Ed, and Bush’s creation of DHS and TSA?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Can you ever bring yourself to criticize anyone but George Bush? Obama has done far worse things to our civil liberties than Bush ever did, yet you never have an ill word to say about him, even in the face of fascistic crap like this.

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:29 AM

The American people don’t care. They’ll gladly trade liberty for the promise of economic security. That was the defining decision of 2012. The people have spoken.

SAMinVA on December 13, 2012 at 10:29 AM

The Republicans don’t care. They support this, or they’d have acted already.

Doomberg on December 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Yes, but if this was a Republican administration, the media and liberals would be protesting very loudly. Remember how libs and the media reacted to the Patriot Act? And remember how the libs and media reacted (they didn’t) to Obama’s expansion of the Patriot Act?

The Rogue Tomato on December 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM

So we are officially comrades now.

docflash on December 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Yea, with all due respect, we have officially all been comrades for some time now.

SWalker on December 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM

So what do you think of the Patriot Act, Ed, and Bush’s creation of DHS and TSA?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM

OMG and lol, you really can’t critique even one thing this guy does. Like a liberal this isn’t the issue, it was Bush first.

Can you not say “this” on it’s own merit is very bad and attribute it to the administration it’s being used under?

Don’t ever try to assert you’re not here socking for this guy. No ones fooled.

hawkdriver on December 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM

The most dangerous thing I do is post on Hotair. :)

Bob’s Kid on December 13, 2012 at 10:18 AM

That’s what you think. If Big Brother is keeping such lists on innocent citizens it is only a matter of time before the Democrat affiliate called AARP gets access to lists of all those over 50 who have not joined up and is paying into the Democrat organization for old stupid people. Those that would trade dignity and principle for free discounts at Cracker Barrel.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM

where’d Dante go?

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM

So what do you think of the Patriot Act, Ed, and Bush’s creation of DHS and TSA?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM

It would take little effort on the part of Obama to disband them. What is YOUR feeling about that?

DaveDief on December 13, 2012 at 10:31 AM

So what do you think of the Patriot Act, Ed, and Bush’s creation of DHS and TSA?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Why are you OK with it right now when you opposed it under Bush’s term?

Kingfisher on December 13, 2012 at 10:31 AM

They said if I voted for McCain (and Romney) our country would be spying on its citizens….. and they were right!

Garym on December 13, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Archivarix on December 13, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Bush had to deal with 9/11 champ. Mr. Arab Spring/smart power has what ………….?

dmann on December 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM

I don’t care what the reason, this is just wrong. It’s a power grab in the name of “protecting” us or being secure. To me, it’s about my rights as a citizen and they’re out of bounds here. And no, I have nothing to hide, I just think I get to decide who has my private information, not the government.

scalleywag on December 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM

The Republicans don’t care. They support this, or they’d have acted already.

Doomberg on December 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM

That is why I put the second part of my post out there. Since Congress won’t act, we all need to file FOIA requests to the point the bastards are drowned in bureaucracy. I’d like to know just what information the National Counterterrorism Center is keeping on me. Because, and trust me on this, I lead a very boring life that couldn’t possibly be of any interest to an organization whose mission is supposedly preventing terrorism.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Dante, the “libertarian,” supports Obama’s trampling of our civil liberties because…WEED!!!

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM

whoa!! looky here! What do YOU think of the Patriot Act, DHS and the TSA now that your guys are running massively expanding them Dante?

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM

I’ve always been opposed to them. And they aren’t my guys. Check your premise.

I think it’s funny that an establishment shill is gnashing his teeth over infringement of Constitutional rights when he supports the PA, DHS, and TSA.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Those that would trade dignity and principle for free discounts at Cracker Barrel.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM

You been listening at my relatives house? All of my brothers and sisters that would never vote for Obama defend AARP for exactly what you said, even down to the Cracker Barrel. I mock them for it too.

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Bush had to deal with 9/11 champ. Mr. Arab Spring/smart power has what ………….?

dmann on December 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM

A second term thanks to lazy stupid parasites.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM

You’re a liar Dante.

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I have never commented at Hot Air! And when I did, I never meant what I wrote. Which I didn’t write. Really! Honest! AllahP and Ed made me do it. Take them instead!

Shy Guy on December 13, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Those that would trade dignity and principle for free discounts at Cracker Barrel.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Hahahaha, that’s hilarious. I’ll keep that in mind next time I get a solicitation from them. That thing is run by a bunch of crackpots.

scalleywag on December 13, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Funny how the ACLU hasn’t piped up about this.

Bitter Clinger on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

A phone directory would do the job and be cheaper too.

mixplix on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Congress has pretty much given up on anything but naming Post Offices.

RADIOONE on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

More selective outrage from Ed. Where was the knashing of teeth through all the previous privacy-trashing laws? NeoCons must be celebrating.

mythicknight on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Dante, the “libertarian,” supports Obama’s trampling of our civil liberties because…WEED!!!

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM

I do? You think I support this?

How clueless can you possibly be?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

You been listening at my relatives house? All of my brothers and sisters that would never vote for Obama defend AARP for exactly what you said, even down to the Cracker Barrel. I mock them for it too.

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM

What do the relatives have to say about the millions that AARP gets through Obamacare? The organization supported Obamacare in the name of old people without ever once mentioning how much they will get in the deal.

I’m not quite old enough to be recruited by AARP but, interestingly enough, the other night at a dinner- every single person that was old enough had canceled their AARP memberships in recent years.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM

You’re a liar Dante.

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Because your tiny little worldview can’t handle the truth, that must mean I’m lying?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM

I’ve always been opposed to them. And they aren’t my guys. Check your premise.

I think it’s funny that an establishment shill is gnashing his teeth over infringement of Constitutional rights when he supports the PA, DHS, and TSA.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Then why didn’t Obama eliminate them, hmm? He had supermajority status up through 2010.

Dumba$$

Kingfisher on December 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM

How clueless can you possibly be?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Here we go again! The mindless Obama-loving troll calling everybody a liar. Don’t bother responding you worthless parasite because I’m done feeding your ego.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I do? You think I support this?

How clueless can you possibly be?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Then why don’t you criticize IT, instead of launching into your tired BOOOOOSH!!!!11!1 routine.

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Because your tiny little worldview can’t handle the truth, that must mean I’m lying?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM

The voices in your head aren’t “the truth.”

Kingfisher on December 13, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Good thing I’m a goodie two shoes huh?

Of course it’s always the ones you least expect ;)

gophergirl on December 13, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Ok, I’m back and can neither confirm nor deny that I was taken from my shop and reeducated.

This plan is actually quite good for our nation and will bring us much prosperity under the benevolent rule of his eminence, Barack.

Bishop on December 13, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Can you ever bring yourself to criticize anyone but George Bush? Obama has done far worse things to our civil liberties than Bush ever did, yet you never have an ill word to say about him, even in the face of fascistic crap like this.

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Do you not understand this is not a game? It’s not about who’s done more than the other; it’s the same freaking results, but if it has an ‘R’ behind it, then many people are okay with it. Wake up, man.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Then why didn’t Obama eliminate them, hmm? He had supermajority status up through 2010.

Kingfisher on December 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Are you serious with this question?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM

That thing is run by a bunch of crackpots.

scalleywag on December 13, 2012 at 10:35 AM

No, that thing is run by a bunch of former union leaders and liberals. They aren’t crackpots they are evil.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 10:43 AM

I bet this doesn’t have access to Obama’s college transcripts

J_Crater on December 13, 2012 at 10:43 AM

I do? You think I support this?

How clueless can you possibly be?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Your response whenever Obama does this kind of things is to sneer about “YOU GUYS ARE WORSE!!” I honestly can’t recall the last time you’ve ever criticized Obama over anything without qualifying that “Republicans are as bad/even worse.”

So, yes, I think most people can be forgiven for thing that you’re a diehard, statist liberal who is posing as an angry libertarian.

Doomberg on December 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Because your tiny little worldview can’t handle the truth, that must mean I’m lying?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM

hey poofter, I nailed the Bush context I knew you would use didn’t I. Talk about small circles of reality.

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Minority report.

We have really lost our freedom now, folks. welcome to Obama’s Socialist States of America.

dogsoldier on December 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Bush had to deal with 9/11 champ. Mr. Arab Spring/smart power has what ………….?

dmann on December 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM

As if to underscore my point perfectly…

Enablers of tyranny. All of you.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Funny how the ACLU hasn’t piped up about this.

Bitter Clinger on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

The ACLU, like various parts of law enforcement, generally have their own agenda.

Why should this be any different?

IlikedAUH2O on December 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM

The good news: Saudi Arabia might now have all of our firearm registration data. What could go wrong?

I know that was a rhetorical question, but my brain auto-responded with…

Sell it to North Korea and turn “Red Dawn” into a prequel documentary?

dominigan on December 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Do we need any more proof that organizations like the ACLU are nothing more than arms of the Democratic Party?

Are there any civil liberties organizations that speak up for civil liberties no matter which party is in power?

milcus on December 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Obysmal and his derelict administration are destroying our Constitution one amendment at a time. He is doing what he promised: fundamentally changing the US to suit his larger purposes.

onlineanalyst on December 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM

To be fair to Dante, I don’t think he’s a leftist troll.

As far as I can tell, he hates both the major parties equally. Although, the “blame Bush” meme has gotten tiresome a long time ago.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

UltimateBob on December 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM

The changes also allow databases of U.S. civilian information to be given to foreign governments for analysis of their own. In effect, U.S. and foreign governments would be using the information to look for clues that people might commit future crimes.

Seems to me there was a movie a few years talking about this. Wasn’t it called Minority Report? Life imitating art?

logicman_1998 on December 13, 2012 at 10:46 AM

According to Alexis the highest percentage of my little insignificant blog’s readership comes from Washington DC. I am soo going to be an inmate at the William Ayer’s Memorial Community Reeducation and Patriotic Conservative Elimination Facility.

SWalker on December 13, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Then why don’t you criticize IT, instead of launching into your tired BOOOOOSH!!!!11!1 routine.

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM

After FOUR LONG YEARS of Benghazi Barack the blame Bush meme has gone past several orders of magnitude past lame.

If the Oppressive-left can go back that long, why can’t we go back some of FDR’s transgressions?

The Otyrant is in charge NOW – just because someone else took a marginally similar action in the past doesn’t absolve him of the responsibility of what his regime is doing NOW.

Chip on December 13, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Your response whenever Obama does this kind of things is to sneer about “YOU GUYS ARE WORSE!!” I honestly can’t recall the last time you’ve ever criticized Obama over anything without qualifying that “Republicans are as bad/even worse.”

So, yes, I think most people can be forgiven for thing that you’re a diehard, statist liberal who is posing as an angry libertarian.

Doomberg on December 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Nooo…my response is that there are no differences between the two parties; they are the exact same. There is no “worse” or “better”; that’s a game you guys like to play when struggling with cognitive dissonance.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Correct me if I’m wrong.

You’re wrong on this one Bob. He’s a KosKid.

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:48 AM

“I hope you know that this will go down on your permanent record
Oh yeah?
Well don’t get so distressed;
Did I happen to mention that I’m impressed?”

cep on December 13, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Enablers of tyranny. All of you.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Really?

Who did you support in the last election?

Chip on December 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM

If the Oppressive-left can go back that long, why can’t we go back some of FDR’s transgressions?

The Otyrant is in charge NOW – just because someone else took a marginally similar action in the past doesn’t absolve him of the responsibility of what his regime is doing NOW.

Chip on December 13, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Well, I’ve tried that, and so-called conservatives keep defending FDR, from his interventionism to his internment camps.

How about you go back a little further and take a look at Lincoln and Jackson?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Do you not understand this is not a game? It’s not about who’s done more than the other; it’s the same freaking results, but if it has an ‘R’ behind it, then many people are okay with it. Wake up, man.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM

You’re the one who needs to wake up. Whatever Bush and the GOP did, as bad as it was, isn’t exactly relevant now. Barack Obama is President. The Democrats are in charge. They’re the ones exercising unbridled power. And you have nothing to say about it because you’re too busy being stuck in the past.

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Where are the liberals’ howls of outrage on this one?

Silly me, sorry I asked.

Old Fritz on December 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM

It’s not surprising that the left supports this. This is what happens when they volunteer to surrender their adulthood so that their new master will give you tidbits of free stuff.

Leftists are selfish and will gladly sacrifice everyone’s freedom as long as they personally benefit.

Kingfisher on December 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM

You’re the one who needs to wake up. Whatever Bush and the GOP did, as bad as it was, isn’t exactly relevant now. Barack Obama is President. The Democrats are in charge. They’re the ones exercising unbridled power. And you have nothing to say about it because you’re too busy being stuck in the past.

steebo77 on December 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM

You simply don’t get it, and you show no signs that you ever will.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM

I am soo going to be an inmate at the William Ayer’s Memorial Community Reeducation and Patriotic Conservative Elimination Facility.

SWalker on December 13, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Can I bunk up with you? It’s either you or RS McCain.

Ed Morrissey on December 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Are there any civil liberties organizations that speak up for civil liberties no matter which party is in power?

milcus on December 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Heritage Foundation, Hillsdale College debate team, Rush Limaugh…

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM

The ACLU, like various parts of law enforcement, generally have their own agenda.

Why should this be any different?

IlikedAUH2O on December 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Oh, I agree. It’s just that they screamed bloody murder at Bush over the Patriot Act and FISA wire taps, but have nothing to say about private citizens’ data being kept and analyzed by the US and foreign governments.

Bitter Clinger on December 13, 2012 at 10:51 AM

But, but, but, democrats only have our best interests at heart, and that’s who’s going to run things from now on, right? Welcome to California, the permanent decay state. Maybe its time to put the brakes on, Speaker Boehner.

Speakup on December 13, 2012 at 10:51 AM

The progressives like Dante and mythick can’t do it. They revert to Bush.

Typical and sad.

hawkdriver on December 13, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Then why didn’t Obama eliminate them, hmm? He had supermajority status up through 2010.

Kingfisher on December 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM

For all you happy Dante bashers, I think he doesn’t want to imply that Obama is somehow better than Bush. He might be a duped participant in Obamization of America but painting him as Obama supporter is taking it a bridge too far into tinfoil-hat territory. I think he tries to imply – not unreasonably, in my humble opinion – that in matters pertaining to personal freedom, there is no daylight between Bush and Obama.

Archivarix on December 13, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Really?

Who did you support in the last election?

Chip on December 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I supported Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. You?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:52 AM

To be fair to Dante, I don’t think he’s a leftist troll.

UltimateBob on December 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM

He’s a radical leftist who cannot stand any restriction on his own behavior and the Democrats are too right-wing for him. The difference between him and your typical leftist is that he wants the state gone entirely.

An anarchist.

sharrukin on December 13, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Do you not understand this is not a game? It’s not about who’s done more than the other; it’s the same freaking results, but if it has an ‘R’ behind it, then many people are okay with it. Wake up, man.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Ahhh… look… here’s Dante, Mr. Friendly Fire himself. Listen up. This was an action taken under the Attorney General that was not authorized under the Patriot Act. This action DOES follow in that vein, but it was not authorized under that law. This is a rogue action by a rogue administration.

We might be more willing to consider yourself one of us if you didn’t go off half-cocked all the time firing your weapon at us instead of the enemy actually committing the actions in question!

dominigan on December 13, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Remember when the lsm and dems were outraged by these actions during Ws term and it was nothing compared to dear leaders actions

Good times

cmsinaz on December 13, 2012 at 10:52 AM

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