DeMint: Obama is going to “get his wish” on higher taxes

posted at 1:21 pm on December 13, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Earlier this week, Sen. Marco Rubio called out the fundamental unseriousness of President Obama’s fiscal-cliff plan and accused him of merely trying to win a political trophy rather than solve any substantive problems. Sen. Jim DeMint echoed that message on Thursday morning, simply and succinctly laying out the case that our only real problem is a size-of-government problem (emphasis mine):

Most of us here are not in the loop of what they’re discussing, but I do know this: This government doesn’t need more money — this country needs less government. To take more money out of the real economy and give it to politicians and bureaucrats, no matter who you take it from, is not going to help the middle class or anyone else. The president’s proposal clearly is not a plan, it’s not a solution, it’ll fund the government for a few days. We all realize it’s a political trophy, not a solution. The president’s been campaigning against these tax rates for a long time, and he’ll probably eventually get his tax increases one way or another. … He’s going to get his wish. We’re going to be raising taxes, not just on the top earners. Everyone’s going to pay more taxes next year in this country and I think that’s what the president wants. But, we’ve doubled the size of government and doubled spending over the last ten years. … Tax revenues at current tax rates will probably be at historic highs, and if you look at the facts, we don’t need more revenue, we just need to stop the spending. The president is not going to stop spending… It’s hard to work with someone who I think is intentionally trying to take us over this cliff.

As the White House has confirmed repeatedly, the issue of tax hikes are not up for negotiation and they at least claim that they are willing to go over the fiscal cliff rather than cobble together a deal without them. The president has no discernible intentions of doing anything except continuing to grow a government that’s already metastasized to a direly unsustainable size in recent years, and if he can keep up the perpetual campaign of making Republicans look bad while he’s at it, all the better.

Speaking of DeMint and his imminent retirement from the Senate to head the Heritage Foundation, South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley offered some more potential clues about who she is considering appointing to DeMint’s soon to be vacant seat, via WaPo:

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) opened up a bit Wednesday on how she would pick a replacement for Sen. Jim DeMint (R).

“It is not about time in office, which I think is the wrong way of looking at government,” Haley told South Carolina reporters. “It’s the effect and the result they can show in office.”

Two of the potential Senate appointees on Haley’s short list, former South Carolina first lady Jenny Sanford and state Department of Health and Environmental Control director Christine Templeton, have no experience in elected office.


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“A true slaves dreams not of freedom, but of his own slaves.”

Translated from Russian. I really don’t know who said that, but it is breathtakingly applicable to Barack Hussein Obama.

Archivarix on December 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Taxes are going up, one way or the other. But the GOP should not get its hands dirty by signing off on them. However, they also need to make sure that they extend the under 200/250 tax rates before being forced to by Obama – otherwise it will be a PR disaster and they will be forever and irreparably branded as the tax cuts for the rich party (which they already are – and inexplicably don’t fight back on).

besser tot als rot on December 13, 2012 at 1:27 PM

The president United States Congress is not going to stop spending…

equanimous on December 13, 2012 at 1:30 PM

DeMint: Obama is going to “get his wish” on higher taxes

On Everyone…

Chip on December 13, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Let. It. Burn.

LoganSix on December 13, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I’m picturing the next Ramirez satire:

a drawing of the US with a huge harvester/thresher/sower moving across collecting money and materials, emitting 50% as waste, and spewing the rest out the back end like an air cannon at a sports stadium….

tomg51 on December 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

It’s hard to work with someone [Obama] who I think is has intentionally trying to take taken us over this the actual cliff.

ShainS on December 13, 2012 at 1:36 PM

its a lose, lose situation for the Repbulicans. If they cave they will rightly be blamed for higher taxes. If they stick their
ground and let the current tax rates expire they will be blamed for higher taxes

ChunkyLover on December 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Obviously taxes are going up. Either the GOP caves or Obama lets us go over the cliff after which he’ll never sign a bill reinstating the Bush tax rates for people making 200k or more. It’s a fait accompli.

Let it burn. Just make sure the Republicans’ fingerprints are on as little of it as possible.

Doughboy on December 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM

short term memory loss…

equanimous on December 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Tax Man To Middle Class: Bend Over
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/121212-636852-middle-classes-real-target-of-tax-hikes.htm

Lots of deluded Obama voters no doubt truly believe “the mess we’re in” is due to “two unpaid for wars and irresponsible tax cuts for the rich.” End the wars and slap the rich with Clinton-era tax rates, and voila, watch the deficit and debt go poof!

But with Obama safely re-elected, some Democrats now speak the truth: The middle class, contrary to Obama’s promise, will see substantial tax increases in order to pay for the welfare state the voters once again signed on to by re-electing Obama.

Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, appearing on MSNBC, said: “The only problem is — and this is, a little, initially going to seem like heresy from a progressive — the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich.

The voters re-elected a leader who increased the national debt faster and by a greater amount than any previous administration. And there are simply not enough rich folks to pay for it.

Obama, on Nov. 6, won the political argument to continue to expand government. But the election did nothing to change “the math.” Memo to the middle class: Get ready, you’re next.

How long will it take before folks realize that the arbitrary bar of ripping off of the top 2% can be just as arbitrarily lowered to rip them off?

Galt2009 on December 13, 2012 at 1:44 PM

“A true slaves dreams not of freedom, but of his own slaves.”

Translated from Russian. I really don’t know who said that, but it is breathtakingly applicable to Barack Hussein Obama.

Archivarix on December 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Reminds me a bit of this one(paraphrased, because I can’t remember the exact wording). The desire to have a monopoly beats in the heart of every true capitalist. :)

a capella on December 13, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Let it burn. Just make sure the Republicans’ fingerprints are on as little of it as possible.

Doughboy on December 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Yep, but, Boehner won’t let that happen. He’s bound and determined to make us share the blame.

a capella on December 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Why are these people even playing Oblahblah’s game…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Let it burn. Just make sure the Republicans’ fingerprints are on as little of it as possible.

Doughboy on December 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Why??? Why would you defend them when they’re equally responsible?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I’m still pushing for sending Obama two separate bills, one to extend the middle class tax cuts and one to extend the upper income tax cuts. Obama will veto the second (or it won’t make it through the senate), but at least the Republicans didn’t vote to raise taxes in the current economic environment.

We’re going to end up with higher taxes on upper income, so might as well do it in a way that positions Republicans best for 2014, which is being able to take some credit for the middle class tax cuts.

Raise upper income taxes, don’t make any spending/entitlement cuts unless they are initiated by Obama, and don’t make any fixes to Obamacare (e.g. medical device tax). If you want ‘let it burn’, that should get things started.

GCM on December 13, 2012 at 1:52 PM

DeMint: Obama is going to “get his wish” on higher taxes

Sure he is.

Oh, and thanks a lot, Jim, for sticking around and helping us fight the good fight.

Oh, wait…..

UltimateBob on December 13, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Obama Focused Like A Laser On Averting Fiscal Cliff … No, Not Really … Has 25 White House Parties Scheduled, No Time For Boehner…

It is good to be King.

JPeterman on December 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM

and Onero fiddles his way through the white house ballroom while the country burns….

dentarthurdent on December 13, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Just let the Sequester happen. Let taxes on everyone rise back up, just as everyone on Capitol Hill agreed to and was so happy about less than a year ago. Then the House needs to pass a bill reinstituting all the Bush tax rates and send it to the Senate. Further, no more budgetless spending. Period. The Senate has to do its job. If they don’t want to work on and pass a budget then the feral government will just have to shut down. Big whoop.

This is what must happen. Anything else would be a huge mistake. And if Boner and the House GOP think that allowing Barky and the left to carry on their class war in the tax structure is a winner, they have another thing coming. ANything that puts more of a tax burden on the higher brackets – either through rates or reducing deductions – is a deal breaker for me (and many others, I think). If they want higher tax rates or less deductions, then they have to do them in a fair way – across the board. Anything that moves the tax system away from a flat structure is a really stupid class-war move that I will not support in any way.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 13, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Why??? Why would you defend them when they’re equally responsible?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Because the vision of Obama having majorities in both the House and Senate after 2014 is not a good one.

a capella on December 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM

DeMint: Obama is going to “get his wish” on higher taxes

I love republicans that cede 1/2 the battle is lost before the other side concedes ANYTHING.

…..OVERSPENDING, OVERSPENDING, OVERSPENDING.

you stupid, dumb*** republicans the reason you’re getting pounded is because your heads are up your ***********. You don’t agree to give a DRUNK the keys to the wine cellar and hope he’ll stop drinking.


THEY ARE EITHER STUPID….

…or they are just the OTHER DEMOCRAT PARTY.

PappyD61 on December 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM

JPeterman on December 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Pathetic.

UltimateBob on December 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM

ignore him

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM

OnCe MoRe…….it’s simple.

Even a republican leader could understand.

THE PAPPY PLAN.

1. Seal the border.

2. Cut federal spending by 10% (CUT, REAL CUT, not fake cuts).

Simple, fair, “shared sacrifice”, etc. etc.

What is up with these losers on the Conservative side in D.C.?

PappyD61 on December 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM

I’ll be paying someone to do my taxes for the first time in my life, just to be sure the government doesn’t get a penny more of my money than absolutely necessary.

dentarthurdent on December 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

ignore him

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Yeah,…I know better. :(

a capella on December 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM

It is good to be King.

JPeterman on December 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Barky is just emulating the environment of his childhood, being an Indonesian Dog-Eating Retard. He’s an aspiring Sukarno. (Suharto was dictator while Barky was growing up an Indonesian and chomping on Lassie but I’m sure his mother was a huge Suharto supporter who was ticked off to no end that he was tossed out)

After all, Barky admitted that his first political aspiration was to be Prime Minister of Indonesia, which is where he belongs.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Taxes on the top 2% should actually be lowered.

Taxes on the “middle class” (whatever that is) should remain where they are or rise by 5% (of the current applicable rates).

ALL citizens should pay a minimum federal tax (skin in the game, folks, even if it’s only symbolic), even if it’s $100.

Never going to happen. Ever.

Try telling an alcoholic, “You know, you really should stop drinking.”

See how well that works for you. It will work about as well on the smack-addicted President and Congress (throw both parties in the boat – neither one could balance a budget if they had 100% of the seats in both houses).

So, fellow citizens, where exactly is the “ENOUGH” point for us? Are we there, yet? If so, what do we do about it?

IndieDogg on December 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Oh, please, just let him have his higher taxes on “the rich”. It will be obvious soon enough that it was a lose-lose move.

The Rogue Tomato on December 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM

PappyD61 on December 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Decent plan. However, even if the Republicans had the cojones to try it – which they don’t, since they only control the House it would go nowhere.

dentarthurdent on December 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM

my first post was directed at Dante btw

Per DeMint – “Tax revenues at current tax rates will probably be at historic highs, and if you look at the facts, we don’t need more revenue, we just need to stop the spending.” Note this. That is a direct admonition that revenues are going down.

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 2:02 PM

our only real problem is a size-of-government problem

This kind of thinking is exactly why the President was reelected. Size-of-government is NOT our only real problem. Our only real problem is American’s ideological drift to the Left. The GOP is not going win this one by scoring political points on the President. The GOP needs to wise up and engage in a Culture War against the Left’s morally indefensible beliefs and agenda. As the GOP goes not-big-enough against the Left, its attacks will look petty and political.

Scopper on December 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM

The president is not going to stop spending…

Congress is not going to stop either…

Remind me again of where spending bills originate?

Isn’t our argument that spending increased under Bush as soon as Dems had control of Congress?

Doesn’t the same rule apply here?

Cut spending or shut it down.

weaselyone on December 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Why??? Why would you defend them when they’re equally responsible?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 1:50 PM

How are they equally responsible? They want cuts in spending, but the Dems won’t budge. Since the GOP only controls the House, there’s not much they can do. And don’t tell me they can use the debt ceiling as leverage. Everyone here knows damn well Obama wouldn’t hesitate for one second to p-ss on the Constitution and ignore it by executive fiat because of a “crisis”.

Doughboy on December 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Barky is just emulating the environment of his childhood, being an Indonesian Dog-Eating Retard.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM

I was admonished recently on another thread for using the word retard when speaking of 0bama. And frankly, it is unfair to people with learning disabilities to compare them to 0bama.

So, in the interest of keeping everyone happy, maybe we should just call Barky the Indonesian dog-eating imbecile. Or the Indonesian dog-eating pinhead. Or the Indonesian dog-eating punk whose daddy never loved him.

Just a few suggestions to keep the peace here at Hot Air. :-)

UltimateBob on December 13, 2012 at 2:09 PM

They want cuts in spending,

Doughboy on December 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM

*rimshot

equanimous on December 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Because the vision of Obama having majorities in both the House and Senate after 2014 is not a good one.

a capella on December 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Who cares? The end result is going to be the same.

How are they equally responsible? They want cuts in spending…

Oh, my. Seriously? Do you know how we’ve gotten to this point? Every president over the past 60 years or so, including Reagan, has grown government, has increased spending, has increased the debt, has increased the deficit. The day the Republican Party wants cuts in spending is the day hell freezes over.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 2:17 PM

I’ll be paying someone to do my taxes for the first time in my life, just to be sure the government doesn’t get a penny more of my money than absolutely necessary.

dentarthurdent on December 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Not even a penny is necessary.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Oh, my. Seriously? Do you know how we’ve gotten to this point? Every president over the past 60 years or so, including Reagan, has grown government, has increased spending, has increased the debt, has increased the deficit. The day the Republican Party wants cuts in spending is the day hell freezes over.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 2:17 PM

For once, I am in agreement with you.

Republicans have all but admitted that the only thing acceptable to them is slowing the rate of growth of spending or giving in and letting spending increase while trying to limit how much it is going to increase.

If Republicans and Blue-Dog Democrats actually wanted to cut spending, they would have actually cut spending.

The Republican Party has essentially taken the position of being ankle weights on the legs of the Democrat party when it comes to spending. Dems can’t run as fast, but they are still moving forward with more spending. We need anchors, not ankle weights.

More responsible than Democrats, but still far from responsible.

weaselyone on December 13, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I almost did it

DanMan on December 13, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Everyone here knows damn well Obama wouldn’t hesitate for one second to p-ss on the Constitution and ignore it by executive fiat because of a “crisis”.

Doughboy on December 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM

If you’re going to play with the trolls, you’ve got to remember that Dante is an idiot. One of his favorite riffs is that there hasn’t ever been any difference between any of the DC crowd (except for Ron Paul). They are all equally culpable for the nation’s problems becuse the did not practice non-intervention abroad and outlawed pot or something.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM

He is going around acting like a Jr high schooler preaching the same tax the rich crap.That’s his trophy.Let him have it and move on.It’s a waste of time to fight him over it.He will feel estatic because he WON and could care less what happens after.

docflash on December 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM

the media will blame the GOP regardless of the outcome

LET IT BURN

burserker on December 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Just a few suggestions to keep the peace here at Hot Air. :-)

UltimateBob on December 13, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Rat-eared wonder is my standard to, as you say, keep the pace.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 2:36 PM

When is everyone finally going to admit that this last election proved that America is lost. We have way too many takers now. There isn’t much you can do to reverse this trend with all the third world riff-raff they are letting in. This is the kind of gov’t they want and they have the voting demographics to get it.

johnny reb on December 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM

If you’re going to play with the trolls, you’ve got to remember that Dante is an idiot. One of his favorite riffs is that there hasn’t ever been any difference between any of the DC crowd (except for Ron Paul). They are all equally culpable for the nation’s problems becuse the did not practice non-intervention abroad and outlawed pot or something.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Dante is an avowed anarchist – so he hates everyone.
He says anarcho-capitalist – but that’s really nothing more than anarchist.

dentarthurdent on December 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Rat-eared wonder is my standard to, as you say, keep the pace.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Purple lipped POS is one of my favorites.

UltimateBob on December 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Either way Republicans lose

In case none of you right wingers noticed…WE LOST by a landslide

And polls indicate today voters despise Republicans and love Democrats

Obama’s approval is at an all time high

And don’t say ‘I don’t believe polls’…you saw where that got us last month.

Redford on December 13, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Who gives a RATS ass anymore about the Communist Failed President. Lets get to the collapse ASAP folks and start over without the Liberal Progressive Assholes and the leeches in the reservation cities, which of course are Obama voters.

Brushjumper on December 13, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Ditto. Let it burn ! I wouldn’t even meet with the guy.

Hummer53 on December 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Let it burn. Just make sure the Republicans’ fingerprints are on as little of it as possible.

Doughboy on December 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Why??? Why would you defend them when they’re equally responsible?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 1:50 PM

There’s a huge difference between “both bear some responsibility” and “both are equally responsible.”

It’s not the Republicans who are doing their dead level best to force tax increases. So the “equally responsible” is nonsense.

tom on December 13, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Every president over the past 60 years or so, including Reagan, has grown government, has increased spending, has increased the debt, has increased the deficit. The day the Republican Party wants cuts in spending is the day hell freezes over.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 2:17 PM

A useless metric that pretends the president has complete control over spending, when it’s Congress that has the budgeting power. Reagan dealt with a Democratic Congress during his entire administration. The Republicans barely had control of the Senate for part of his administration, and never had control of the House.

Also, it assumes that the level of spending is the only issue. Reagan pushed Congress to spend money to win the Cold War, and we are all safer for it. If he had spent less money and lost the Cold War, that would have been irresponsible.

It’s not just how much you spend, but what you spend it on.

Of course, you’re still suffering under the Ron Paul delusion that we only need a military if someone is trying to invade, so that point flies over your head.

tom on December 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Also, it assumes that the level of spending is the only issue. Reagan pushed Congress to spend money to win the Cold War, and we are all safer for it. If he had spent less money and lost the Cold War, that would have been irresponsible.

It’s not just how much you spend, but what you spend it on.
tom on December 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM

The other piece of that equation is that in order to get the spending he wanted to win the cold war, Reagan had to agree to let the Dems controlling congress have some of their entitlement increases – so the spending went up faster than Reagan wanted – and as you indicate in areas that didn’t do us any good – but he had to do it to get what he wanted that actually made sense.

dentarthurdent on December 13, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Obama is going to “get his wish” on higher taxes

…start another party Jimmy!

KOOLAID2 on December 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM

tom on December 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Congratulations; you managed to contradict yourself within four sentences.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM

so the spending went up faster than Reagan wanted – and as you indicate in areas that didn’t do us any good – but he had to do it to get what he wanted that actually made sense.

dentarthurdent on December 13, 2012 at 3:55 PM

So then you agree that Reagan increased spending, and here you’re claiming he desired it.

You guys are poster children for cognitive dissonance.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 5:17 PM

So then you agree that Reagan increased spending, and here you’re claiming he desired it.

You guys are poster children for cognitive dissonance.

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I know you have a hard time with logic, but its really not that difficult. Carter was working on decimating the military and making the country look weak – like Obumble is doing now. Reagan wanted to, and succeeded in turning that around, and as a result the Soviet Union fell apart – i.e. we won the Cold War.
However, the Dems insisted on bumping up social spending, which in my view is not Constitutionally valid. But since Reagan had to deal with a totlly Dem controlled congress, he had to compromise.
But the part you seem to miss is that the President can’t spend any money unless it is first appropriated by Congress – see US Constitution.
That’s why I don’t entirely blame Obumble for the spending problems we have right now – Congress writes and passes the bills. But Obumble had Dem control of both houses of Congress for his first 2 years, and they did whatever he wanted – which is where our huge debt came from.

dentarthurdent on December 13, 2012 at 7:08 PM

How do bills become law?

Dante on December 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM