Woodward: Civil war brewing in the Democratic Party over entitlement reform

posted at 10:41 am on December 12, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

We’ve been hearing a lot about a civil war within the GOP over the fiscal-cliff negotiations, but is that the only one brewing in Washington? Bob Woodward followed Nancy Pelosi on CBS This Morning, and he claimed that her remarks showed the split on the other side of the aisle. Woodward tells CBS that the White House wants entitlement reform, perhaps especially by raising the eligibility age for Medicare and Social Security, and that Barack Obama may have a tougher sell on that point than John Boehner has on taxes (via Daniel Halper):

“There’s a civil war in the Democratic party,” said Woodward. “You had Nancy Pelosi on, saying, oh, we’re not going to change the eligibility age for Medicare. And down at the White House they very much want to do that.”

Civil wars or not, Woodward says that both sides are going to have to “blink” in this process. Everyone has their doctrines, but in the end, a deal will have to find some middle ground. The country wants solutions, not endless ideological warfare, Woodward insists, and have grown so tired of this standoff that they’ll welcome practically any resolution that finds at least some points for both sides.

Speaking of ideological war, though, Pelosi hasn’t gotten Woodward’s message yet:

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi refused to say if she has any red lines in so-called “fiscal cliff” negotiations. However, in the next breath, she emphasized that she and fellow Democrats “object” to raising the eligibility age for Medicare.

“Don’t go there because it doesn’t produce money,” the top Democrat in the House said Wednesday on “CBS This Morning.”

“Raising the retirement age does not get you that much money… so you’re doing a bad thing when it comes to seniors and you’re not achieving your goal” of reducing the deficit and growing the economy, Pelosi added.

But as CBS points out, Pelosi is largely irrelevant in the deal-making:

The talks, however, are primarily between President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio., leaving Democrats in the House hoping the president stands by their demands. “There’s a recognition he may need our votes,” Pelosi said. He would need Democrat’s votes if House Speaker John Boehner is unable to collect enough support among his Republican colleagues.

It’s also worth noting that her second-in-command, Steny Hoyer, declared that entitlement reform was on the table. Pelosi may end up being even more irrelevant at the end of this process.


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What was that godawful screeching sound!?!

mountainaires on December 12, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Questions:

Is Woodward a member of a “press related” Union?

Is Woodward a trojan horse let in by mistake?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 12, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Woodward does not trust Team Barry.

He knows something is seriously wrong with how this admin operates.

budfox on December 12, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Oh. It was just Pa-loosi going off again….

mountainaires on December 12, 2012 at 10:45 AM

I now become physically ill every time I hear that detestable woman speak…

Common Sense Floridian on December 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Could’ve stopped after the first four words.

MelonCollie on December 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Civil wars or not, Woodward says that both sides are going to have to “blink” in this process. Everyone has their doctrines, but in the end, a deal will have to find some middle ground. The country wants solutions, not endless ideological warfare

Maybe, but a large majority of the public also apparently wants no cuts to entitlements yet is more than ok with hiking taxes on “the rich”. So the Dems are just looking at the politics of this and from that standpoint, they’re in the ideal situation of trying to give the American people exactly what they say they want.

Doughboy on December 12, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Anybody else noticing the pattern of stoking crisis as Christmas approaches? Seems to happen every year since Obama showed up. He juggles fire like no other.

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM

The National Socialists vs the Communist?

Oil Can on December 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM

It’s also worth noting that her second-in-command, Steny Hoyer, declared that entitlement reform was on the table. Pelosi may end up being even more irrelevant at the end of this process.

The very first positive developement in the Fiscal Cliff discussion.

Jabberwock on December 12, 2012 at 10:50 AM

The country wants solutions, not endless ideological warfare

The country might want them, but that’s not what government does. Name one problem in the last 100 years that government “solved.” (That means the problem goes away, no further action required.)

And no, military action and space missions don’t count.

Bat Chain Puller on December 12, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Entitlement reform specifically and our dire financial situation generally are going to tear the Democrat party apart. They’ve long been a coalition of clients to the state and when the state runs out of money to give to clients and power to favor it’s clients the gig is up.

gwelf on December 12, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Anybody else noticing the pattern of stoking crisis as Christmas approaches? Seems to happen every year since Obama showed up. He juggles fire like no other.

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Well, somebody did once make the assertion that “Fire is the Devils only Friend“…

SWalker on December 12, 2012 at 10:53 AM

The country wants solutions, not endless ideological warfare

I disagree. The country wants to hear the Democrat lie repeated – that we can European levels of entitlement and welfare without paying European levels of taxation and without suffering European standards of living and economic growth.

gwelf on December 12, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Pelosi has been irrelevant for some time now.

GarandFan on December 12, 2012 at 10:54 AM

The country wants solutions, not endless ideological warfare, Woodward insists, and have grown so tired of this standoff that they’ll welcome practically any resolution that finds at least some points for both sides.

I think that’s a load of inside the beltway hooey. If we’re sick of anything it’s having everything presented as a crisis that has to be “solved” before any sane reasoning can take place which is why the electorate voted to divide government in 2010 and keep it divided in 2012.

RW_theoriginal on December 12, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Woodward’s book proved Obama has no experience or ability to negotiate. Therefore, he is raising a moot point.

HellCat on December 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM

There’s no civil war on their side. This is just more smoke blowin’ by the WH and Piglosi. Gives the talking heads more disinformation to spout and keeps us all guessing as to how this is gonna end. If they do raise the retirement age for MC will they end up with a doughnut hole in insurance since a lot of companies have mandatory retirement age of 65. I’m sure dear leader has a plan for those people. BTW…MC is not free. They take the premiums out of the SS check before it’s sent. My hubby tried to make an appointment with our doc and it’s not until 12-31. There’s a lot of people trying to get in before the end of the year. Must think they won’t be seen after that.

Kissmygrits on December 12, 2012 at 10:56 AM

But as CBS points out, Pelosi is largely irrelevant in the deal-making

I don’t think CBS has ever made me feel so warm and fuzzy inside before…

Resist We Much on December 12, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Anybody else noticing the pattern of stoking crisis as Christmas approaches? Seems to happen every year since Obama showed up. He juggles fire like no other.

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Yes. I said before that people who can’t do their job without this much drama are not doing a very good job. Strictly from an employer/employee standpoint, I would fire someone who caused everything they were involved in to be a down to the wire crisis.

Night Owl on December 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Obama doesn’t want to raise eligibility ages. He even said they wouldn’t produce much money. Its all BS.

Zaggs on December 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Woodward tells CBS that the White House wants entitlement reform

I am having a little trouble believing this.

sharrukin on December 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Well, somebody did once make the assertion that “Fire is the Devils only Friend“…

SWalker on December 12, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Ya ! Halftime with it’s “sweet perfume” Colorado
And
“Hands balled up in fits of rage” Me

Jabberwock on December 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM

It’s like watching two “heel” wrestlers beat the stew out of each other.

Pass the popcorn.

kingsjester on December 12, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Cutting social security makes sense now. Obama has proven he doesn’t need the votes of elderly white people. This is a group to whom the Democrats are, in fact, openly hostile. This will have ramifications for Medicare as well. The AARP couldn’t have gotten in bed with a nicer bunch of Nazi’s.

The problem is that cuts to social security won’t be used for deficit reduction any more than tax hikes would. It’ll be used to fund more goodies for the folks Obama considers real Americans, i.e. welfare recipients, illegals, unions, single moms, etc…

SAMinVA on December 12, 2012 at 11:00 AM

It’s also worth noting that her second-in-command, Steny Hoyer, declared that entitlement reform was on the table. Pelosi may end up being even more irrelevant at the end of this process.

The rat-eared wonder said that everything was on the table and there is disagreement between Dem #1 and Dem #2 in the House. Boehner should go back, through the media, and point out this discrepancy and demand that the rat-eared wonder clarify which one of his minions is the dirty liar and which one is just the dishonest broker.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2012 at 11:01 AM

But as CBS points out, Pelosi is largely irrelevant in the deal-making:

The Wicked Witch of the West is not and will not be irrelevant until Dorothy throws a bucket of mop water on her and she melts screaming about her beautiful wickedness being undone by a little girl… Don’t ever forget that…

SWalker on December 12, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Bull shiite, Bob.
Democrats have integrity? Funny.

Like voting for tax increases- only to later want to rescind them.
They’re shameless corruptocrats.

Go pimp your next book somewhere else.

Oh wait a minute…….

FlaMurph on December 12, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Poor Woodward, a die hard democrat liberal, he just doesn’t know what to do…tell the whole truth and be ousted from the liberal union, or hedge, dodge, hint…the poor guy is walking a narrow line, he may lose some invites to some of those “intellectual” parties he is needs to keep his liberal creds up…poor Bob, what to do…be honest and forthcoming, be a journalist, or a loyal subject to his master.

right2bright on December 12, 2012 at 11:02 AM

They’re all so puzzled about why Congress can’t get anything done. IMHO it’s because Congress has politicized everything: home mortgages, education, the finance industry, health care, and now even Michelle’s attack on food.

When formerly private activities are regulated by the feds, of course all the millions of stakeholders are going to make dealing with it all difficult! Even Al Franken is now objecting to the medical devices tax!

This will go on and on and on until the system collapses or we take the feds out of our lives and our businesses and our health and schools.

PattyJ on December 12, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Ace has a good post up RE: Jeff Sessions

Yes. A thousand times yes.

The President is not part of the legislative branch in our system. Why the hell is he being allowed to drive the agenda like this? Yes, he has to sign, veto, or ignore a bill but that’s it.

Obama wasn’t very interested in being a legislator when he was in the Illinois and US Senate but now he wants to be Legislator in Chief.

This is where I think Boehner is an idiot. Why is he letting Senate Democrats off the hook in this process? You know why Harry Reid didn’t pass Obama’s opening offer? Because he doesn’t have enough votes. Big, blue state Democrats like Shumer, Gillibrand, Durbin, Nelson, Boxer and Feinstein aren’t going to vote for a tax increase on “the rich” if “the rich” is defined as $200,000/$250,000. It would capture far too many people in those high cost of living states that are “middle class” in reality.

But Boehner lets them off the hook by negotiating against himself with Obama. Let the House pass it’s own plan and then let the Senate pass theirs. Make Reid carry Obama’s dirty water for awhile.

We don’t need beer summits and all this kabuki. Bills come out of committees, are amended, and then voted on then sent to the Senate. The constitution already has a process. FOLLOW IT.

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM

The Wicked Witch of the West is not and will not be irrelevant until Dorothy throws a bucket of mop water on her and she melts screaming about her beautiful wickedness being undone by a little girl… Don’t ever forget that…

SWalker on December 12, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Poor Maerose. She hasn’t been the same since Dorothy’s house fell on her sister, Helen Thomas.

Resist We Much on December 12, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Phooey. A phoney war. Medicare and Social Security may be (covertly) under discussion for trimming, but notice — not a peep or a poop about food stamps, student loans, Medicaid, perpetual unemployment payments, the proposed free contraception program, etc. etc. In other words, even if the “Greedy Geezers” are cut off, entitlement costs will continue to rocket into the stratosphere to buy the continuing loyalty of the majority of Democrat voters.

Scriptor on December 12, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Obama wants entitlement reform?
Obama doesn’t care about the deficit. His offer to the House included more new investments spending than cuts and increased tax revenue.

gwelf on December 12, 2012 at 11:06 AM

When has Nancy ever been relevant?

gravityman on December 12, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Gosh durnit. I keep forgetting that CNN links kill posts. Arrgh!

Fallon on December 12, 2012 at 11:07 AM

The country wants solutions, not endless ideological warfare, Woodward insists, and have grown so tired of this standoff that they’ll welcome practically any resolution that finds at least some points for both sides.

One could argue, without stretching too much, that the exact opposite is true. The country has now voted in two back-to-back elections for a divided federal government. One could take that to mean that the public wants gridlock and inaction by the federal government.

Shump on December 12, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Bob Woodard is a damned lying Marxist Fifth Column Treasonous Media propagandist, what he is doing is setting a false narrative to provide John “Bonehead” Boehner with cover for betraying the American people yet again.

Democrat’s promise spending cut’s tomorrow for tax increases today, but tomorrows spending cuts never arrive. John “Bonehead” Boehner is a Marxist pretending to be a Republican, he never had and never will have any intention of attempting to do anything that would resemble forcing spending cuts. That’s why he canned all the “Tea Party Conservatives” from their positions of authority within the GOP.

SWalker on December 12, 2012 at 11:10 AM

SWalker on December 12, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Poor Maerose. She hasn’t been the same since Dorothy’s house fell on her sister, Helen Thomas.

Resist We Much on December 12, 2012 at 11:05 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAH… You should do one of those famous cartoons of yours with Pelois’s face photochopped into the scene where the Wicked Witch of the West is looking at Dorothy’s house on her sister shriveled up legs…

SWalker on December 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM

The country wants to hear the Democrat lie repeated – that we can European levels of entitlement and welfare without paying European levels of taxation and without suffering European standards of living and economic growth.

gwelf on December 12, 2012 at 10:53 AM

And, Sheryl Crow epitomizes this “Julia” mindset:

Lie to me
I promise I’ll believe
Lie to me
But please don’t leave

And, briefly, I agree with Kissmygrits. There is no civil war amongst the Democrats. However, there is a Hoffa/union driven civil war against taxpayers and freedom.

Fallon on December 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM

The country wants solutions, not endless ideological warfare, Woodward insists,

Maybe, maybe not. I do know one thing: creatures of Washington, D.C. which is what Woodward is, have no clue what the country wants. Even a tone deaf congressman has a better idea what his constituents want than Woodward. Until congress is spending most of its time repealing laws, gridlock is a good thing.

cartooner on December 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Bob- From the Obama playbook……

You never want a serious crisis to go to waste

Don’t be stupid.

FlaMurph on December 12, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Woodward tells CBS that the White House wants entitlement reform.

I am having a little trouble believing this.

sharrukin on December 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM

You must not be familiar with the new democratic party definition of ‘entitlement’. I have seen democratics on tv referring to the Mortgage Interest Deduction as an ‘entitlement’. They have said that the lower-than ordinary income tax on capital gains and dividends is an ‘entitlement’.

We lost this game when they got away with calling a reduction in the suggested growth rate of one of their programs a ‘budget cut’. We lost when they got away with calling all spending ‘stimulus’ and ‘investment’.

We need to do the same. Let’s call the deductibility of state income taxes by which we all subsidize the failing blue states an ‘entitlement’. Let’s call the deductibility of greedy-union dues an ‘entitlement’. Let’s call the outrageous spending on Planned Parenthood an ‘entitlement’.

slickwillie2001 on December 12, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Steny Hoyer: The Debt Limit ‘Is Not Real’
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/steny-hoyer-debt-limit-not-real

Galt2009 on December 12, 2012 at 11:25 AM

You must not be familiar with the new democratic party definition of ‘entitlement’.

slickwillie2001 on December 12, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Honestly, its not just the Democrats. It’s the Republicans and the entire country who have an entitlement mentality. Anything they like is somehow theirs by mystical right.

sharrukin on December 12, 2012 at 11:26 AM

The most important part: which side will own the black slaves this time?

Archivarix on December 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Why would the Dems oppose raising eligibility ages? Romney/Ryan won the senior vote in spite of Mediscaring from the Dems.

Charlemagne on December 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM

We need to do the same. Let’s call the deductibility of state income taxes by which we all subsidize the failing blue states an ‘entitlement’. Let’s call the deductibility of greedy-union dues an ‘entitlement’. Let’s call the outrageous spending on Planned Parenthood an ‘entitlement’.

slickwillie2001 on December 12, 2012 at 11:21 AM

That’s how we lost the culture war. With help of the MSM traitors, the Dems have been able to redefine common words to their advantage. Expect, though, Democrat meanings won’t apply to the instances you (correctly) cited. They’ll just move the goalpost again, as usual. Or would that be called double-speak? In any event, none of the MSM talking-heads will raise the point. Sadly and worse, neither will the Republicans.

Liam on December 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM

No way are Democrats going to roll back an entitlement. They’ll talk about it academically at election time, but never do it.

The only civil war the Democrats are involved in is the union thuggery they support wherever it breaks out (plus all the rebellions in foreign countries, except Iran).

virgo on December 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I would guess that more Democrats feel personally, viscerally threatened by Republican economics than Republicans feel palpably threatened by Democratic economics. So individual Democrats, feeling consciously that they have more to lose materially, ought to fight harder for their perks. As against this, Democrats being the dominant party have paradoxically ceded more prerogatives to their leaders than Republicans have to theirs. There was a comparable dynamic on the GOP side when Bush was president. The big difference is that Obama’s own devotion to fiscal sanity is, like his other alleged principles, mostly theoretical compared to his ability to count votes.

Seth Halpern on December 12, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Don’t worry folks, Woodie is going to clear this all up next week with an interview with FDR. The old man will set the democratic party straight.

slickwillie2001 on December 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM

It’s not much of a Civil War if nobody in the party actually wants entitlement reform.

supernova on December 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM

@Charlemagne: That’s an interesting point. Seniors also tend to have more money than the voters Obama turned out in the election.

Seth Halpern on December 12, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Pelosi may end up being even more irrelevant at the end of this process.

What is more irrelevant than, well, irrelevant? She’s been there for a long time.

iurockhead on December 12, 2012 at 11:46 AM

OK Nan, so pacing yourself and going in stages is good now when it comes to raising taxes, cutting spending, tax/entitlement reform. Its not good to try to tackle all of that at once, but we can cram everything under the sun into a single health care bill then pass it without reading it.

This is a case of Democrats offering a 68 – you know “do me and I’ll owe you one”…

@ntif@n on December 12, 2012 at 11:49 AM

raising the eligibility age for Medicare and Social Security

LNFAO

Yeah, Forward. To what?

What’s an old white person like Pelosi doing being a Democrat anyway? Didn’t she get the memo about about those not being hip?

Moesart on December 12, 2012 at 11:49 AM

I disagree. The country wants to hear the Democrat lie repeated – that we can European levels of entitlement and welfare without paying European levels of taxation and without suffering European standards of living and economic growth.

gwelf on December 12, 2012 at 10:53 AM

THIS!

The American people enjoy hearing comforting lies told to them by the Looters in both parties that are running the country into the ground. They don’t want to accept that in only two generations they have pissed away what was won in WWII.

victor82 on December 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Pelosi may end up being even more irrelevant at the end of this process.

When you’re selling crazy, crazy is never irrelevant.

rik on December 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

They don’t want to accept that in only two generations they have pissed away what was won in WWII.

victor82 on December 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM

that’s why so many want to let events occur instead or patching things along isn’t it? We know what we’re putting up with is unsustainable. Doubt many here voted for or benefiited from any of the programs that are dragging is down. We are going down but we ought to fight the effort to make us fund it.

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Pelosi irrelevant
Works for me

cmsinaz on December 12, 2012 at 12:08 PM

LNFAO

Yeah, Forward. To what?

Moesart on December 12, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Just Forward.

Don’t you know that it is, practically, an Article of Faith on the Left that life is about the “journey,” not the destination.

Resist We Much on December 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM

The only “war” going on in Washington right now is between Republican Congressmen – who want to socialize America slowly – vs. the Democrats, who want to socialize America all at once.

And the only “entitlement reform” Democrat politicians are discussing among themselves is how best to fix the only problem facing the world today: the fact that there are still some Americans whose income is NOT completely controlled by the government.

logis on December 12, 2012 at 12:23 PM

budfox

You got that right. It also shows in the unanimous vote against any budget the WH has put forth in recent years that, neither do congressional democrats.

jake49 on December 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM

logis on December 12, 2012 at 12:23 PM

yep

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 12:30 PM

And no, military action and space missions don’t count.

Bat Chain Puller on December 12, 2012 at 10:50 AM

nuts got me there …
how bout road building … other then maintenance and maybe expanding it …

conservative tarheel on December 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM

They’re all so puzzled about why Congress can’t get anything done. IMHO it’s because Congress has politicized everything: home mortgages, education, the finance industry, health care, and now even Michelle’s attack on food.

When formerly private activities are regulated by the feds, of course all the millions of stakeholders are going to make dealing with it all difficult! Even Al Franken is now objecting to the medical devices tax!

This will go on and on and on until the system collapses or we take the feds out of our lives and our businesses and our health and schools.

PattyJ on December 12, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Of course he is.

Where are the headquarters of the largest medical device firms?

Medtronic… Minnesota. Saint Jude Medical… Minnesota. 3M… Minnesota. American Medical Systems… Minnesota. Boston Scientific is headquartered in Mass but they do all their engineering and manufacturing in… you guessed it, Minnesota.

letoile du nord on December 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM

It would seem Civil War is in bloom everywhere.

listens2glenn on December 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I am having a little trouble believing this.

sharrukin on December 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM

I don’t, for the same reason I’m not surprised that Gitmo is still open, and that drone strikes are ongoing.

0dumba, for all of his flaws, is more of a political realist than most all of his even crazier underlings.

Anti-Control on December 12, 2012 at 12:59 PM

“Don’t go there because it doesn’t produce money,” the top Democrat in the House said Wednesday on “CBS This Morning.”

Really?

Your alma mater is calling, they want their diploma back for not retaining basic math. 2 additional years of working and paying taxes, SS & medicare as opposed to the Govt paying out SS/MC benefits, and in the case of govt employees paying out pensions, does not produce additional revenues? This is the one case where the govt gets $2 for $1, unlike the delusional $1.76 gained with paying out unemployement benefits that she claimed a few years ago.

AH_C on December 12, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Never forget what Nancy Pelosi promised:

After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending. Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.

- New Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 01/04/2007

Vs. what Nancy Pelosi delivered:

She inherited a FY 2007 budget with a deficit of less than $161 Billion.

She nearly tripled the deficit in FY 2008 to $459 Billion.

She more than tripled the deficit AGAIN in FY 2009 to $1,413 Billion (over $1.41 Trillion).

She didn’t even pass a budget for FY 2010 or FY 2011. But the deficits in both of those Fiscal Years were $1.3 Trillion each year.

Again, Pelosi inherited an annual deficit of less than $161 Billion and promised “no new deficit spending”. Yet in the 4 Fiscal Years over which she presided (2 of which she passed a budget for, and 2 of which she only passed continuing resolutions) she was responsible for $4.5 Trillion in new deficit spending.

And when you factor in that money “borrowed” from Social Security makes the annual budget deficits look smaller, the true total national debt picture is even worse.

When the FY 2007 budget (passed by the Republican House, Senate, and President in 2005) ended on September 30, 2007, Nancy Pelosi inherited a total national debt of: $9.0 Trillion

After the four Fiscal Years over which Nancy Pelosi presided, the total national debt on September 30, 2011 was $14.8 Trillion.

Nancy Pelosi was responsible for an increase to the total national debt of $5.8 Trillion in just 4 short years. After promising, “no new deficit spending”.

She lies.

ITguy on December 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM

This is really the heart of it all…the Democrats have allowed people to believe that there is no end to the benefits, and of course there is and someday that will become evident. When that happens the Democrats will blame the Republicans and the rich, but it will not make any difference. The money will still run out.

Terrye on December 12, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Teh heh

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM

How did the moderators miss that title?

Ward Cleaver on December 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Is it just me or does Woodward look like he’s actually investigated and cogitated about this issue?

the ministry of truth/FCC or the IRS is going to come knocking if he keeps talking that crazy talk.

acyl72 on December 12, 2012 at 3:32 PM

…have grown so tired of this standoff that they’ll welcome practically any resolution that finds at least some points for both sides.

Exactly as I’ve suspected. The deal was worked out some time ago, and both sides have been dancing this kabuki macaca just to wear down the public enough to accept it.

sartana on December 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM

“There’s a civil war in the Democratic party,” said Woodward

…let there be blood!

KOOLAID2 on December 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM

What was that godawful screeching sound!?!

Botox of the Brain!

georgeofthedesert on December 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM