Report: Boehner willing to consider more tax revenue — in exchange for deeper entitlement cuts

posted at 9:21 pm on December 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

See? Men can compromise.

The good news? This new tedious fiscal standoff may yet be resolved by New Year’s. The bad news? Another tedious fiscal standoff is just a few months away.

House Speaker John Boehner privately told President Barack Obama that he’s prepared to consider more than the $800 billion the GOP has already proposed in new tax revenues — but only if the White House will back much deeper cuts to entitlement programs, according to several sources familiar with the talks…

With this stalemate, Republicans are starting to ponder a Plan B: Extend the Bush-era rates for families who earn less than $250,000 and then reopen the debate on taxes and entitlements next year, when the nation heads for the debt limit again.

“The White House hasn’t come up with close to enough spending cuts and reforms to be worth $800 billion in additional revenue, let alone the — substantial — additional cuts and reforms that would be required for more than that,” according to a Republican leadership aide…

If [Republicans choose Plan B], Obama would almost certainly get his wish: Congress would approve an extension of the Bush-era tax rates for families with annual salaries less than $250,000, and a tax hike from 35 percent to 39.6 percent for income above that amount. And Republicans would live to fight another day: demanding spending cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security when Obama formally requests an increase to the national borrowing limit to avoid a debt default.

Raul Labrador said today that he’d consider more tax revenue too — as part of a three-to-one cuts-to-taxes deal, which the White House isn’t remotely interested in. So Plan B it is, which would be a dismal end to a dismal year but at least would eliminate the leverage Obama currently holds by virtue of the automatic January 1 tax hikes. Pass Plan B and get taxes off the table and then you can steer the debate entirely over to entitlements ahead of the next debt-ceiling hike next year, when the GOP will — theoretically — have more leverage.

I say “theoretically” because their leverage depends not only on being willing to hit the debt ceiling this time if Obama balks at deep entitlement cuts but being willing to identify specific cuts which the Democrats will then spend weeks demagoging as part of another bout of Mediscare. Think Republicans have it in them? They’ll be moving from the politically unpopular position of opposing tax hikes on the rich to … the politically unpopular position of demanding less spending on Medicare and Social Security. What could go wrong?

Here’s Krauthammer, as fatigued by, and disgusted with, the unseriousness of this endless cycle of debt gridlock as I am. Exit question: If the GOP really is going to go for Plan B, isn’t it better to come clean about that now and use the last few weeks before the cliff to pressure Obama on spending? “Yes, okay, we’ll give you your tax hikes on the rich, reluctantly. Debate over. Now what will you do for us?” Click the image to watch.


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Weeper needs to be replaced as Speaker.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 12, 2012 at 9:23 PM

fulcrum meet lever

RAGIN CAJUN on December 12, 2012 at 9:24 PM

More taxes. More taxes. Not (necessarily) more tax revenue.

The Rogue Tomato on December 12, 2012 at 9:25 PM

We need to learn how to quit being realistic and practice better demagoguery.

Corporal Tunnel on December 12, 2012 at 9:26 PM

This is an absolute disaster, GOP gets blamed for entitlement cuts and tax hikes at the same time, unreal, way to go Boehner!

House GOP needs to pass a bill making all but the highest tax rate permanent. Force Obama to publicly accept Bush tax rates. Put him on the defensive.

Then GOP can extend the highest rate as a stand alone bill. Obama/Reid will ignore this, but they will own the inevitable recession.

Why is this so hard for Boehner to figure out? The guy is a blubbering amateur.

commodore on December 12, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I shall cast a spell…

Hummna hummna hummna supercalifragalisticexpealidocious… ;-D

Scrumpy on December 12, 2012 at 9:28 PM

House Speaker John Boehner privately told President Barack Obama that he’s prepared to consider more than the $800 billion the GOP has already proposed in new tax revenues — but only if the White House will back much deeper cuts to entitlement programs,

Deeper than what? They won’t back any cuts, now. And I don’t consider reductions in future growth to be cuts of any sort. enough of that BS.

The Weeping Boner needs to be tossed into the street. He’s an idiot who is just looking for a good place to cave. He is death. Stupid death. Boner is the weepy-eyed poodle on Barky’s plate.

How someone can do so poorly negotiating against the dumbest, most transparently dishonest, anti-American, mathemtically-inept person to ever occupy the White House is beyond comprehension.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 12, 2012 at 9:28 PM

America..
Meet..
Cliff..

Electrongod on December 12, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Boner will get nothing and he probably doesn’t even figure to. He’s just doing his kabuki dance.

VorDaj on December 12, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Obama gets his tax increases and gives only token cuts. None of them can be trusted but Obama flat out lies about pretty much everything.

ldbgcoleman on December 12, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Cave ain’t just a place in Lascaux.

Dongemaharu on December 12, 2012 at 9:31 PM

I shall cast a spell…

Hummna hummna hummna supercalifragalisticexpealidocious… ;-D

Scrumpy on December 12, 2012 at 9:28 PM

That will put a bad azz hex on him. I was going to do a snarmey reptile jinx on him but you beat me with your spell. He will have a string of bad luck now.

SparkPlug on December 12, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Boehner – French for worthless.

VorDaj on December 12, 2012 at 9:32 PM

See? Men can compromise.

Don’t be so tetchy, Allah. Those Senate hags don’t speak for all of us girls, you know.

cynccook on December 12, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Nothing says “We wipe our a$$es with the Constitution” like a couple of little tin god tyrants unprincipled morons negotiating in private.

Memo to GOP House: honor your damn oaths, do your damn duty, and massively cut spending as desired by those who elected you; screw the Senate Leader and the President. Let them eat sh!t, dare them to reject your proposed legislation, and let them suffer the consequences if they don’t like it.

Man Up! That means you too, lady House Reps …

ShainS on December 12, 2012 at 9:34 PM

“I just did my taxes … I did well. I didn’t have to pay anything. I’ll tell you what happened was: Instead of putting my name I wrote General Electric.” :-D

Scrumpy on December 12, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Cave ain’t just a place in Lascaux.

Dongemaharu on December 12, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Nice anthropology reference there.

cynccook on December 12, 2012 at 9:34 PM

SparkPlug on December 12, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Oh go on and do it!! Double trouble!! ;-)

Scrumpy on December 12, 2012 at 9:35 PM

I am getting so sick of reading about freaking Boner…

We all know he’s gonna cave n come on tv n cry like a little whiny loser…

Be back later

*POOF*

Scrumpy on December 12, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Reminds me of Bugs Bunny and Yosemite Sam drawing lines in the sand

“Cross dis line”

“and dis one”

“and dis one”

RAGIN CAJUN on December 12, 2012 at 9:41 PM

MASSIVE TAX CUTS

………OR

……..L.i.B.

davidk on December 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Taxes raised on the top 15% wage earners and entitlement cuts in 2084.

It was the best deal I could get. – John Boehner

Left Coast Right Mind on December 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM

If the GOP really is going to go for Plan B, isn’t it better to come clean about that now and use the last few weeks before the cliff to pressure Obama on spending?

Yes

Mark1971 on December 12, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Boehner should wise up and take Rand’s advice.

FloatingRock on December 12, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Here’s a better link that goes to Ed’s piece on Rand’s advice (rather than the comments, as above).

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/12/rand-paul-let-dems-raise-taxes-and-own-the-result

FloatingRock on December 12, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Here si the thing. If you just extend the tax cuts and fight him on entitlements at debt ceiling time, he’ll just bust out the 14th amendment (the fact he says he won’t is indication of this) and raise the debt ceiling anyways. Because then it will be the election will be a mandate for him not to touch entitlements. Plus since the democrats spent the entire election season mediscaring people, you know they wont touch entitlements.

Zaggs on December 12, 2012 at 9:49 PM

It might only be a few percent of the vote but the rich must realize that a Democrat conrolled House wouldn’t be raising any taxes right now. They didn’t raise it when they had a chance for two reasons: It will hurt the economy and they figured they’d be held accountable for the economy, and they wanted to wait for a Republican controlled House before they went after the rich and let the Republicans play defense on taxes and they would have been able to play offense if the Democrats raised taxes back in 09-10 and Republicans would have been able to blame Democrats tax hikes for the continued economic problems, and the voters would have agreed.

The only way the Republicans could have won the fight after gaining the majority is if they were heavily pushing a flat tax in which case they could argue that raising the taxes solely on the rich doesn’t flatten the tax code. It’s unclear what the Republicans’ purpose was for taking the House, but it was certainly the best thing that could have happened to the Democrats.

Buddahpundit on December 12, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Since the stimulus added $800 billion to the new baseline every year going forward I think $800 billion in spend g cuts in one year is a good starting point. Why not propose to just return the level of spending to where it would have been sans the stimulus?

Charlemagne on December 12, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Oh well, they aren’t serious in D.C. anyway, none of them are, so whatever the final deal is it really won’t matter.

Bishop on December 12, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Sometimes I wonder why we bother . The last four ( incert profanity ) years and we are down to
two complete incompents giggling around our futures .
Boehner is a jack azz and must go .
Not feeling good about this at all .

Lucano on December 12, 2012 at 9:53 PM

“Yes, okay, we’ll give you your tax hikes on the rich, reluctantly. Debate over. Now what will you do for us?”

This is bass ackwards because Obama’s answer will be, “Nothing, I won.”

Fallon on December 12, 2012 at 9:59 PM

We are so f*cked!

jukin3 on December 12, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Just raise taxes first and the spending cuts are sure to follow.

Complete morons.

Valiant on December 12, 2012 at 10:01 PM

I really wonder if history would bother mentioning Crybaby Boehner even as a footnote.

Liam on December 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM

And Republicans would live to fight another day: demanding spending cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security when Obama formally requests an increase to the national borrowing limit to avoid a debt default.

Teeheehee

SouthernGent on December 12, 2012 at 10:07 PM

We are so f*cked!

jukin3 on December 12, 2012 at 10:00 PM

If you play your cards right, maybe you can get Vaseline listed as a medical necessity so Obama can pay for it.

Liam on December 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Weeper needs to be replaced as Speaker.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 12, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I agree and it seems many others think so too. Rush & Mark Levin
spoke of this today.

Special Report

Replacing Speaker Boehner

Peter Ferrara 12.12.12

Here’s how and why it has to be done

http://spectator.org/

bluefox on December 12, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Why is this so hard for Boehner to figure out? The guy is a blubbering amateur.

commodore on December 12, 2012 at 9:26 PM

About a week or so ago, a guy called into Mark Levin’s show and said he’s observed Boehner. He then said Boehner is not a leader.
He’s watched him and said he is taking orders from somebody.

That rang true to me. Question is, who? I think the guy is right, he doesn’t act or talk as a leader at all.

bluefox on December 12, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Boehner

is limp!….vote PRESENT crybaby!

KOOLAID2 on December 12, 2012 at 10:21 PM

After thinking of what that caller said of Boehner to Levin in my above post, I think Obama is giving him orders and then Boehner tries to convince House members. He then comes out talking and trying to make the people believe he’s really “working” hard.

Anyway, I agree with Levin’s caller. Otherwise, why the secret talks?

bluefox on December 12, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Oh well, they aren’t serious in D.C. anyway, none of them are, so whatever the final deal is it really won’t matter.

Bishop on December 12, 2012 at 9:53 PM

This…

… The only way to fix this Country is to take a chain saw to the spending budget, and no one in the political elite ruling class wants to do that.

I can’t wait for when it all comes crashing down and all the politicians, the media, the lobbyists, and the bureaucrats will all be saying “Don’t blame me!”…

… Don’t worry, we will.

Seven Percent Solution on December 12, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Oh well, they aren’t serious in D.C. anyway, none of them are, so whatever the final deal is it really won’t matter.

Bishop on December 12, 2012 at 9:53 PM

This.

We are already screwed as a nation.

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Buddahpundit on December 12, 2012 at 9:50 PM

The problem with the R’s, particular the House is that they don’t realize they are their own worst enemy. And because of this, they are ours also.

If they would do the job they were elected for, they wouldn’t be in this position.

bluefox on December 12, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Hey Boehner, just pretend the President is a Conservative or a Tea Party member!! I know you can handle that!!

bluefox on December 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Been saying for months they should have given him his 39% top tax rate a year ago. It wouldn’t have done any good for the economy and it wouldn’t have helped a bit to reduce the deficit. The only thing it would have done is taken that club away from Obama. And here he is, still hitting them over the head with it. . . .

jdp629 on December 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM

we can’t blame Beohner by himself. Rs and the country are going to pay a big price for stupidity. The Rs have been feckless since Reagan (let’s face it)…and the Left has been ruthless in their Hatred of all things non-Left. The Left smells blood in the water.

The only chance is to unity. The conservatives and Rs will be in the wilderness for a while i’m afraid…and honestly we are a country that is nuts

Do people want their benes cut…hell no
do people want their taxes raised…hell no
Do you want a rich guy to pay for you???? Yes.

our country believes in unicorns…unless the Rs can launch a long term counter project to the daily state-run media and culture drivers in Hollywood, I can’t see it ending well

r keller on December 12, 2012 at 10:31 PM

I say give Democrats all the tax increases they want. As long as the annual budget is balanced.

gwelf on December 12, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Sellout sells out.

News at ten.

viking01 on December 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Republican Party – if you don’t want to go the way of the Whigs, then you need to do the following: 1. All of you Conservatives in Congress need to get in front of the cameras and demand Boehner’s resignation due to his spineless capitulation. Use buzz words and speak with boldness. Demand that the government adheres to the Constitution and do with government only the things that the Constitution requires of it. Then, put forth a limited government proposal that drastically cuts the size and scope of the federal government, including cutting entire departments like the EPA and NEA. List them out by name. To hell with what the Media says. Get in their faces when the spin comes and force them to cover your side. Let the people hear free market, Constitutional ideas. Let the people be educated. Everytime a Media cockroach then tries to lie and spin your comments, name them, get in their faces and shame them for their biased, faulty coverage. Force them to hear you! The truth will overcome their biased spin. Stand strong, principled and let the blame come. Don’t back down. Follow Obama everywhere he goes and counter his lies. 2. Alternatively, do all the above, except for when it comes to the point where you can’t get the Democrats to cut spending, you all just vote “present” and then immediately, aggressively, and passionately explain why and that this “lesson” will be hard, but necessary to awaken the sheeple to the consequences of voting for Socialism.

Decoski on December 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

unless the Rs can launch a long term counter project to the daily state-run media and culture drivers in Hollywood,…

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sunday-reflection-repeal-the-hollywood-tax-cuts/article/2503964#disqus_thread

kunegetikos on December 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Why wait. Go to plan B now. There are a lot fewer tax increases that way and the Dems aren’t going to ever admit there is a need for spending cuts. Do the Doc Fix, The AMT Fix the 98% extension and do it in one bill with three months of debt ceiling increase. Then do your budget plan with a debt ceiling increase but only if budget targets are met. This will also get you to the end of the continuing resolution allowing spending. Hold that up until an agreement comes. Cut everything discretionary but defense 80% just like defense has been cut. Let the Senate pass their own bill and go to conference on it. If they stall, they cannot spend. They dare not let the government shut down too long because people may find out how little difference it makes to them.

KW64 on December 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

This is such nuisance. Here is what House should do:
Extend Bush tax cuts for everyone.
Let the Senate do what it wants to do.
Come back for a reconciliation on 27th.
If nothing works, let us go over the fiscal cliff.

And yes – NO DEBT LIMIT INCREASES. That is off the table.

GO POUND SAND.

antisocial on December 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Throw this fool out!!!

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM

I agree with that. He is the stupidest guy we have.

antisocial on December 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Agreed that the Debt Limit must not be increased. It’s the caving on the debt limit which enables Zero to bypass the budget requirement to increase his rate of destroying the nation he loathes.

A strategery Boner should have noticed say about two years or more ago.

viking01 on December 12, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Lucy tees-up the football, and here comes Charlie Brown . . . . .

listens2glenn on December 12, 2012 at 11:26 PM

The biggest problem Boehner has is he fails to understand what power the Speaker of the House has. O’Neill knew it, Pelosi knew it, Boehner fails to grasp it. He wants to be the un-Democrat speaker, allowing the minority to have a voice. Trust me John, Pelosi and the Democrats are laughing at you right now. They understand power and how to weild it and they don’t respect anyone they can out-maneuver.

My biggest problem is with the Senate. How Boehner has allowed them to debate budget items, without passing a budget, is beyond me. All he has to do is tell Reid, he won’t negotiate anything that isn’t in the budget and can’t be passed with 51 votes and then just refuse to negotiate. Refuse to negotiate with the President, who can’t even submit a budget that can get a Democrat vote, let alone a Republican vote and pass the House.

That’s not being obstructionist, that’s forcing the democrats to work within the system. By signing these continuing resolutions, they’ve allowed the Democrats to increase spending and not be held accountable for their decisions.

I doubt Boeher is capable of doing this, but it’s the only thing that will begin to solve this situation. Let the Democrats explain why they can’t get a budget through the Senate. Let Obama explain why he can’t get a vote for his budgets. When the press does their Pravda routine, tell them to go see Reid and Obama, you’ve done your part.

bflat879 on December 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I shall cast a spell…

Hummna hummna hummna supercalifragalisticexpealidocious… ;-D

Scrumpy on December 12, 2012 at 9:28 PM

.
I’ve been tryin’ fer years to figure out how to spell that.

Thanks ! … : )

listens2glenn on December 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

losers….

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 12, 2012 at 11:30 PM

who are the “n*gg&%$” now? Did you guys see Drudge today?! Good stuff

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 12, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I say “theoretically” because their leverage depends not only on being willing to hit the debt ceiling this time if Obama balks at deep entitlement cuts but being willing to identify specific cuts which the Democrats will then spend weeks demagoging as part of another bout of Mediscare.

This is why, from a PR perspective, an across the board 10% cut works the best. After that, current seniors and soon to be seniors will be more than willing to take a good look at long term solutions so long as they are grandfathered into the old system.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Mood music for this thread…

Click

trigon on December 12, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Stop conflating “more revenue” with “higher taxes.” They are not the same thing.

the wolf on December 12, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Decoski on December 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

antisocial on December 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

bflat879 on December 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

You, you and you get it!!! You will all make better Speakers than the inept one we have now.

Contrary to the media spin, which has become conventional wisdom™, the GOP has a stronger hand than anyone is letting on IF ONLY they will cease operating from a political viewpoint and rather act based on principles.

Where are the intellectual heavyweights of the party? Can’t we put together a bill that reforms the tax code and deals with spending cuts? Let us quit playing the Democrats’ game of “raise taxes on the middle class or cut grandma’s paycheck”.

1. Across-the-board cuts and let Obama and his government figure out where to downsize. The government is already bloated as is.

2. Reform the tax code. Lower rates and broaden the tax base. Let everyone have skin in the game. Flat tax, anyone?

TheRightMan on December 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Report: Boehner willing to consider more tax revenue — in exchange for deeper entitlement cuts

Doesn’t this mean in exchange for some vague promise of future cuts in entitlement spending at some unspecified date after we’re all dead?

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Stop conflating “more revenue” with “higher taxes.” They are not the same thing.

the wolf on December 12, 2012 at 11:54 PM

No kidding. It is very annoying.

besser tot als rot on December 13, 2012 at 12:01 AM

The not-so-funny thing is if roles had been reversed, the Dems would have extended all the Bush tax cuts eons ago and Republicans would have been negotiating from a weak hand and offering spending cuts.

Why is it that our leaders have become so beholden to the media and so-called opinion polls? Did the Dems care much that popular opinion was heavily weighted against them when they were passing Obamacare? Nope. They were willing to absorb their losses (temporary) in order to advance their ideology.

TheRightMan on December 13, 2012 at 12:02 AM

G*d d@mn everyone who uses the word revenue instead of the proper word : TAXES.

LegendHasIt on December 13, 2012 at 12:27 AM

What kind of chewing tobacco does Boehner favor?

You got it!

Sherman1864 on December 13, 2012 at 12:52 AM

I hope he is the only one willing to raise taxes
Send a permanent extension of the so called “Bush” tax cuts over to the Senate and let them defeat it!
Maybe a new speaker with new leadership for the Republican ranks is in order.
We need representatives who actually hold to the Constitution.
Frustration is a tame word for the way I feel.

Delsa on December 13, 2012 at 1:00 AM

I really wonder if history would bother mentioning Crybaby Boehner even as a footnote.

Liam on December 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Yes. We all know who Benedict Arnold is, don’t we?

Cylor on December 13, 2012 at 3:12 AM

so now will the tax hike for those over 250k now be called the obama tax hike?

i know, i know, the lsm will claim victory for obama and he will gloat into the new year…

C A V E

cmsinaz on December 13, 2012 at 5:44 AM

We all new Boehner would cave. And the line he’d offer would be, “Don’t worry! We’ll be really tough when on the debt limit next year!”

Care to guess what will happen?
You guessed it…another cave. But he’ll get a fig leaf consisting of cuts to future budgets that turn out to be a lot smaller than advertised, and which, of course, will never actually happen.

DRayRaven on December 13, 2012 at 5:54 AM

DRayRaven on December 13, 2012 at 5:54 AM

yepper

ssdd

cmsinaz on December 13, 2012 at 6:11 AM

Raul Labrador said today that he’d consider more tax revenue too — as part of a three-to-one cuts-to-taxes deal, which the White House isn’t remotely interested in.

Amen…where do I sign to support that? Tax the liberal 1% hard and cut spending 3-to-1.

Jaibones on December 13, 2012 at 6:31 AM

If the GOP really is going to go for Plan B, isn’t it better to come clean about that now and use the last few weeks before the cliff to pressure Obama on spending? “Yes, okay, we’ll give you your tax hikes on the rich, reluctantly. Debate over

I am not so sure Obama wants it to be over..with the media kissing his behind all the way he is having fun with this. That says something for his character, or lack thereof.

Too bad the Republicans do not have the Senate…if they had managed that they would be in a much stronger position right now. But as it is, they simply do not have the votes to get what they want..and I honestly do not believe that Obama gives a rat’s ass if we go off that cliff…a ruined economy and higher taxes and he could care less. But we know who will pay. The GOP has become the heavy in these scenarios. The bad rich guy.

Terrye on December 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

I always believed Denny Hastert was the worst Republican Speaker in recent memory. I now realize I was wrong. There is a new standard of suck.

Mr. Arrogant on December 13, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Isnt this exactly what happened to Bush 1? He said “read my lips” and then cut a deal only to be stabbed in the back on cuts and bludgened to death with breaking his pledge during his reelection?

ldbgcoleman on December 13, 2012 at 7:45 AM

Isnt this exactly what happened to Bush 1? He said “read my lips” and then cut a deal only to be stabbed in the back on cuts and bludgened to death with breaking his pledge during his reelection?

ldbgcoleman on December 13, 2012 at 7:45 AM

And that, of course, is the whole point here.

Cylor on December 13, 2012 at 7:54 AM

This is becoming disgusting. All of those political idiots need to crawl out of their cribs, act like adults and stop screwing over our lives. I see this morning that a majority of “voters” think we should make more spending cuts because taxes won’t solve our problem. If you believe that then why did you put that dolt back into the White House. Does anybody out there have any idea what they are doing?

rplat on December 13, 2012 at 8:10 AM

….as predicted….

CAVING!

easyt65 on December 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM

This whole fiscal cliff thing is a bumper sticker made up in the bowels of the WH and pushed by the lsm. What we will get is a new set of rules to play by in Jan. The Rs will have the rest of 2013 to fix whatever they can to make it better for us. This current regime has done nothing but govern thru crisis the last 4 years and it looks like the next 4 aren’t going to get any better.

Kissmygrits on December 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM

You know what? I have an idea…

The liberals are so gung ho on taxes because they can only deal in simple math… that tax increases always result in revenue.

So here’s what we do…

We pass a bill authorizing the tax increases, but with a rider… if the tax increase fails to raise the predicted tax revenue, automatic budget cuts go into effect for the difference between projected revenue and actual revenue change.

That way if Obama wants an $80 billion tax change… give it… knowing that if it doesn’t work, an actual cut for that amount will go in! For example, if the tax hike on the rich projected for +$80 billion actually causes tax revenue to drop lets say -$100 billion, then automatic budget cuts of across the board $180 billion go into effect! It will make the liberals much more serious about taxes, and put the focus on whether tax rate changes increase or decrease the real tax revenue!

The only problem is how to track revenue changes to individual tax laws. But if this could be done to EVERY tax rate change…

dominigan on December 13, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Republican Party – if you don’t want to go the way of the Whigs, then you need to do the following: 1. All of you Conservatives in Congress need to get in front of the cameras and demand Boehner’s resignation due to his spineless capitulation. Use buzz words and speak with boldness. Demand that the government adheres to the Constitution and do with government only the things that the Constitution requires of it. Then, put forth a limited government proposal that drastically cuts the size and scope of the federal government, including cutting entire departments like the EPA and NEA. List them out by name. To hell with what the Media says. Get in their faces when the spin comes and force them to cover your side. Let the people hear free market, Constitutional ideas. Let the people be educated. Everytime a Media cockroach then tries to lie and spin your comments, name them, get in their faces and shame them for their biased, faulty coverage. Force them to hear you! The truth will overcome their biased spin. Stand strong, principled and let the blame come. Don’t back down. Follow Obama everywhere he goes and counter his lies. 2. Alternatively, do all the above, except for when it comes to the point where you can’t get the Democrats to cut spending, you all just vote “present” and then immediately, aggressively, and passionately explain why and that this “lesson” will be hard, but necessary to awaken the sheeple to the consequences of voting for Socialism.

Decoski on December 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

WOW! Just read this! EXACTLY!!!

And personally, every time I’d get in front of the media instead of rejecting the “party of the rich” meme, I’d embrace it. I’d blast those reporters with…

“Of course we’re the party of the rich and successful! We want everyone to have the opportunity to be rich and successful! What you do you think we are? Democrats who like their serfs on plantations? Freedom is a GREAT thing! Being successful is a GREAT thing! Why do YOU (pointing to reporter) think it’s a bad thing? Don’t YOU think YOU should be rewarded better than those who haven’t achieved your success yet?”

Turn the tables and put them on the defense!

dominigan on December 13, 2012 at 9:30 AM