Rand Paul: Let Dems raise taxes and own the result

posted at 8:41 am on December 12, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Are higher taxes inevitable? If they are, Senator Rand Paul wants no Republican fingerprints on them. Last night, he told Greta van Susteren on Fox News that House Republicans should pass a bill with their specific plan to cut spending and fix the tax code to address the fiscal-cliff issues, and dare the Senate to take it up. If Democrats refuse, then Paul wants the House to hold a vote on the Democratic plan, with Republicans voting “present” to allow Democrats to pass the bill. That way, the economic damage from tax hikes will be totally owned by Democrats, and Republicans will have kept their hands clean:


This reminds me of a scene from the otherwise entirely-forgettable film Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins. Wilford Brimley goes over the doomsday scenario of exposure with Fred Ward, which is the suicides of all involved, but then says, “We’re not there yet, boys.” I’m of the same mind; we can see the edge of the cliff from here, but no one’s going to get serious until Friday at the earliest. The legislative language for any deal will need to get written before the House and Senate can take a vote, which means that we’ll have to have a deal in writing by Monday or Tuesday to get the vote in before Christmas, or by Christmas to get it in before New Years Day if Congress stays in session.

If Obama insists on 4:1 tax hikes to cuts and won’t budge, though, this is probably not a bad scenario to follow. I’d amend it to make clear that the debt ceiling isn’t part of the bill, and I would also pass the AMT fix separately in the House with Republican votes. No sense in refusing credit for solving that of the fiscal cliff.


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And just who did you vote for, Sunshine?

Tenwheeler on December 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM

I wrote in, honey.

Dunedainn on December 12, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Old Country Boy on December 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Word.

Tenwheeler on December 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Haven’t seen you around here before. Are you Good Ole Boy’s sockpuppet?

Dunedainn on December 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM

…the otherwise entirely-forgettable film Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins.

C’mon Ed. Joel Grey’s portrayal of Sinanju Master Chiun is worth the price of admission and earned a Golden Globe nom. The scene where he meets Major Fleming (Kate Mulgrew) and tells her “Women should stay home and make babies. Preferably man-child.” is priceless. Fred Ward does a nice job in the title role. The movie is entertaining so long as you realize it is pulp fiction transposed to the screen.

As for Rand Paul’s plan, it seems perfectly reasonable to me. Obama and the Democrats have chosen to make government policy a function of their political narrative and theater. If Republicans fail to take the stage, the story will be written by the foolish and the corrupt. If they do take the stage, at least we will hear foolishness and corruption from a different perspective. If we are fortunate, they may succeed in pinning responsibility for the inevitable on those who are responsible for it, despite the best efforts of Democrats and the MSM to blame Republicans.

novaculus on December 12, 2012 at 6:29 PM

And who does he think is going to blame Obama the press. He trying to be too clever by half

KBird on December 12, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I think they should just go over the cliff. But if that really isn’t an option, is it possible for Representatives from the House to abstain from a vote? If all Republicans held their votes and let the Left get their way on this fiscal cliff impasse, would that be a majority in the House? I was just wondering if they could just do that so as not to get blamed later, that seems to be one of the sticking points. It seems horrible to have to let the country go down even deeper though to prove a point.

monster_man on December 12, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Except the lesson they took from 2010 was to marginalize and co-opt the Tea Party, refuse to hold firm on the debt ceiling, go with Mr Romneycare as a candidate, expel conservatives from positions of power, refuse to have Palin, Ron Paul, or the Tea Party involved in the recent election, and are currently proposing amnesty.

sharrukin on December 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Exactly. And they are different than the Dems, how?

Regarding Rand Paul’s suggestion, we can’t forget he’s not the Speaker of the House. Boehner and his egos (Cantor/McCarthy) won’t do anything that is in the American people’s interest. It’s all about them and what deal they can make in order to stay in office/power.

Even if Boehner would put up what Rand Paul suggests, do you think the Dems would vote yes?

bluefox on December 12, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Besser tot . . .

The problem is that in January Obama and the Dems will propose cutting taxes on everyone below 200/250. Then what? If the GOP fights it, they will never be able to shake the party of the rich label. If they go along, then the tax hikes do nothing to help the debt, except perhaps to make it worse by slowing the economy and reducing overall government tax receipts.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2012 at 1:50 PM

1. I think you might be confused. What Obama has called for is making the Bush tax cuts permanent for those people making less than $250k. That is the one point where left and right concur. The hold up now is all the other taxes Obama wants to raise and the increase in spending he has proposed.

2. The Bush tax cuts expire Dec. 31, without action by anyone. Thus rates on everyone will jump on that date. For a quick itemization, see here.

3. I know of no additional “tax cuts” anyone on the left has proposed. Nor can I see Republicans opposing them if Obama did propose them, given the fiscal conservative belief that more money in the private economy means more growth. To the contrary, I would imagine Republicans would support any such move, though it will never occur.

Wolf Howling on December 12, 2012 at 7:40 PM

The only thing to be owned will once again be those hapless R’s.

Bmore on December 12, 2012 at 7:58 PM

It’s Thelma and Louise time.
FlaMurph on December 12, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Who said anything about Hillary?

Whatever bill is submitted, Obama has to sign it.

He has indicated he wants one and only one thing from the Right, a tax on the rich. Obama knows that is not good for the economy. That is the point.

As Rush said, if the GOP signs on to taxing the rich, it means they were lying when they said taxing the rich was bad. So the GOP loses credibility, and the nation heads to Greece. Both good for obama

1. The Cliff has already passed both houses and been signed by Obama.

2. Rand’s proposal would pass and also be signed by Obama

Takes your pickl

Obama is not going to sign anything else unless it is even worse for the country than choice 1 or 2

Personally, I would submit an unemployment extension now. Call it the GOP unemployment extension. Send it to Obama and spend 24 hrs a day arguing this first, nothing second. No one cares anyway. Get some points

entagor on December 12, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Wolf Howling on December 12, 2012 at 7:40 PM

After everyone’s taxes go up in January, the tax rates for those under 200/250 can be cut back to current levels.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

…I’m liking Rand!

KOOLAID2 on December 12, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Haven’t seen you around here before. Are you Good Ole Boy’s sockpuppet?

Dunedainn on December 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM

I would hardly be surprised if Bad Old Manchild had at least one backup/sockpuppet account.

MelonCollie on December 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Yes, I have been saying this for weeks. Don’t play games with black Jesus. Let him own the whole recession that is already starting to reappear in the economy. I want all those blue coastline county’s to get pounded all accross the country.

Hummer53 on December 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM

To heck with it. Give the Dems whatever they want. Let it burn.

shaken on December 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM

If the GOP votes against the middle class tax cut, they would never be able to rebut the argument that they are the party of and for the rich.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2012 at 11:59 AM

You know what…

I say Republicans reverse course and embrace it by pointing out that PEOPLE ARE RICH BECAUSE THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL! And of course we want everyone to be successful! Now ask why the Democrats are against success…

The Democrats have engrained the idea that we are the party of the rich, and that they are against us, for so long they’ll never be able to shake it! So maybe we should just go with it

dominigan on December 13, 2012 at 8:14 AM

But we are the stupid party, and let everyone else broadcast their version of what we believe…

dominigan on December 13, 2012 at 8:15 AM

There is no fiscal cliff. The spending cuts in the sequestration bill will be good for the economy. Let it happen.

woodNfish on December 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Word.

Tenwheeler on December 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Haven’t seen you around here before. Are you Good Ole Boy’s sockpuppet?

Dunedainn on December 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM

I’ve seen Tenwheeler on here plenty. Evidently you have a retention deficit.

Buttercup on December 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM

I’ve seen Tenwheeler on here plenty. Evidently you have a retention deficit.

Buttercup on December 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Haha, no.

He’s a sock.

Dunedainn on December 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Haha, no.

He’s a sock.

Dunedainn on December 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM

No Sally you’re confused. A sock is what you have stuffed down your leotards.

Buttercup on December 13, 2012 at 3:20 PM

No Sally you’re confused. A sock is what you have stuffed down your leotards.

Buttercup on December 13, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Typical Rombot crassness. You’re not even worth responding to.

Dunedainn on December 13, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Barack Hussein Obama was reelected saying he was going to raise taxes so the people must want more taxes. Nobody understands what Barack Hussein Obama is going to do about the Taxes, he most likely will increase everyone’s and claim that Bush did it while he was playing golf. The Democrats own the economy so let them try their way, the voters will always say he could have fixed everything in the Republicans had let him, well, LET HIM!!!!!

old war horse on December 14, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Typical Rombot crassness. You’re not even worth responding to.

Dunedainn on December 13, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Your mom.

Buttercup on December 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM

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