Pennsylvania joins the ranks of states declining on setting up exchanges

posted at 4:41 pm on December 12, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

The Department of Health and Human Services extended the original deadline by which states need to decide whether they will be setting up their own versions of the virtual health insurance exchanges required via the auspices of ObamaCare, or allowing (making?) the federal government to do it for them, or forging some kind of partnership with the feds to get the things done — meaning that states now have until this Friday, December 14th to report their decision to HHS. Many Republican governors have been leaning back on forth on which option to take, torn between trying to mitigate the ObamaCare-related damage as much as possible or just letting the federal government lie in the bed they made for themselves and having no part of it.

Last week, Gov. Chris Christie added New Jersey to the list of states declining to help the feds out with the massive undertaking, and Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett followed suit on Tuesday.

Pennsylvania will not set up its own health care exchange under the federal Affordable Care Act, at least not for now, Gov. Tom Corbett said Wednesday, putting the state on a course to join others led by Republicans that will let President Barack Obama’s administration run its exchange. …

“Health care reform is too important to be achieved through haphazard planning,” Corbett said. “Pennsylvania taxpayers and businesses deserve more. They deserve informed decision making and a strong plan that responsibly uses taxpayer dollars.” …

Corbett said it “would be irresponsible to put Pennsylvanians on the hook for an unknown amount of money to operate a system under rules that have not been fully written.” …

So far, 17 states and Washington, D.C., have said they will set up their own exchanges, while 20 other Republican-led states have opted to allow the federal government in. Another seven states have picked the partnership model, and the rest are trying to decide.

If I were the federal government… I’d probably be panicking right about now. The feds weren’t counting on having to accomplish the mammoth task of setting up states’ exchanges for them, and they are nowhere near ready to do so — this is going to require a hastily cobbled, big ol’ bureaucratic increase, which in and of itself will engender manifold costs and inefficiencies (ObamaCare just can’t seem to stop itself metastasizing, can it?). Corbett didn’t shut the door on the building an exchange later on, as states can decide to hop on the bandwagon every following year, but without more information and certainty from the federal government, it’s no-can-do from the Keystone State.

We should be hearing more about the final tally on the state exchanges as the week draws to a close.


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“Walk east till your hat s floats Obooba,” -Gov. Tom Corbett.

Akzed on December 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM

ahh, the better to organize Federal Health care workers my dear…..

Can you say….. N.I.H. ?

FlaMurph on December 12, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Good for PA. The Feds created this mudhole, let them wallow in it.

gravityman on December 12, 2012 at 4:45 PM

It’s no hill for the kind of steppers Obama has. I need a bigger / tag.

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Bwahahahahahaha

D-fusit on December 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM

They deserve informed decision making and a strong plan that responsibly uses taxpayer dollars.” …

HAW HAW HAW

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Has Rick Scott decided yet?

Mark1971 on December 12, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Wait till a few states who don’t set up their own exchanges sue the feds for how it gets set up for them… you know, unfunded mandates and all that.

Nullification by the states is our last line of defense against an increasingly tyrannical federal beast. Grow some ‘nads, Governors.

Harbingeing on December 12, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Question. Did the Feds really, really deep down want the States to set up exchanges? I find it hard to believe they do not have some secret plan in place in case they got this response from the States. I used to think Obama was simply a SCOAMF, but I’m now pretty sure he and his communist handlers have this whole thing planned and he just seemed incompetent to me at the outset because we’ve never had a communist this close to the seat of power before except maybe Henry Wallace and Eleanor Roosevelt.

DaveDief on December 12, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Maybe, just maybe, these kinds of actions will help the states grow nullification spines. Little by little, if enough states tell the feds to pound sand we may reclaim some of our liberty.

search4truth on December 12, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Intelligently and responsibly managed states will stay as far away from the TOXIC WASTE of OBOZOCARE as possible to protect their citizens.

TeaPartyNation on December 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM

… this is going to require a hastily cobbled, big ol’ bureaucratic increase, which in and of itself will engender manifold costs and inefficiencies

And the Republicans in the House should not allow a single penny to go into funding this.

Oh, wait… Silly me, there I go again, expecting Boehner to actually behave as though he has a spine.

UltimateBob on December 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Doesn’t the law say something about “exchanges set up by the states”, implying that ones set up for the states by the Feds won’t be legal?

Ward Cleaver on December 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Question. Did the Feds really, really deep down want the States to set up exchanges? I find it hard to believe they do not have some secret plan in place in case they got this response from the States. I used to think Obama was simply a SCOAMF, but I’m now pretty sure he and his communist handlers have this whole thing planned and he just seemed incompetent to me at the outset because we’ve never had a communist this close to the seat of power before except maybe Henry Wallace and Eleanor Roosevelt.

DaveDief on December 12, 2012 at 4:56 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/271651-holtz-eakin-gop-governors-enabling-single-payer-healthcare

Interesting take here.

Mark1971 on December 12, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Pennsylvania joins the ranks of states declining on setting up exchanges

G O O D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on December 12, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Too bad the average voter is too uninformed to appreciate what is going on. It’s like having to explain a joke to someone, it won’t be as funny to them. Not to mention if they actually did “get” the joke, we might see a more responsible set of people being elected in future elections.

Ukiah on December 12, 2012 at 5:04 PM

I’m starting to wonder if ObamaCare wasn’t very well thought out.

Chuck Schick on December 12, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Get Nancy Pelosi to do it. She wrote it didn’t she? No? Okay get Ezra Klein and Mark Halperin to do it. And that shirtless beer bong playing speech writer. Kathleen Sebelius is in charge of it isn’t she? Surely she has all the answers by now. It’s going on three years since they passed it. C’mon dems. Hop to! Where’s our stuff?

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I am sure Hickenlooper will set one up. After all he is thinking of running nationaly

ChunkyLover on December 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Free health care is going to be so awesome.

Suck it wingnut baggin’ rethuglikkans!

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Fine, bring on single payer if that was what the final plan consists of; the voters wanted it, let them have it.

Bishop on December 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Has Rick Scott decided yet?

Mark1971 on December 12, 2012 at 4:54 PM

IIRC, Rick was the first Gov since election day to tell them to fk off – no exchanges in FL.

The Count on December 12, 2012 at 5:08 PM

I am sure Hickenlooper will set one up. After all he is thinking of running nationaly

ChunkyLover on December 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I thought I read an update from AFP-Colorado that he was. Maybe I misread it?

22044 on December 12, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Interesting take here.

Mark1971 on December 12, 2012 at 5:01 PM

typical DC take there Mark. First the economist with a hyphenated name is a McCain advisor – strike one, second the governors have said there are no guidelines or directives to score their efforts against the law as written – strike two, third is it time for Obama and his posse to start showing leadership – that is a swing on a pitch that bounced ten ft in front of the plate.

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 5:14 PM

He sure showed them. Now the feds will have to come in and set up the kind of exchange they think is best with no input from Pennsylvanians…uh…maybe…Well, he sure showed them.

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM

The GOP needs to cut HHS funding significantly. Make it impossible to implement Obamacare.

Go to the mat Boehner, go to the mat.

Charlemagne on December 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Hmm.

I does appear that the ObamaCare ‘code’ is actually more like guidelines…

locomotivebreath1901 on December 12, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Doesn’t the law say something about “exchanges set up by the states”, implying that ones set up for the states by the Feds won’t be legal?

Ward Cleaver on December 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM

See, the problem is that *our* definition of what’s legal is different than *their* definition, which basically means they can do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, tell us what to do or not do, etc.

I doubt they’ll accept this as a valid ‘out’ clause if they don’t *want* to accept it.

Midas on December 12, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Doesn’t the law say something about “exchanges set up by the states”, implying that ones set up for the states by the Feds won’t be legal?

Ward Cleaver on December 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-12-08/anything-see-here

-The tax credits are limited to those states that establish their own HIX. Period. The Letter of the Law reads, (clearly to me) that the ACA tax credits are not available in states that choose to have D.C. manage the required HIX (option #3)

-If the tax credits for “No HIX” states were to go away, Obamacare goes down for the count.

-The Obama Administration “fixed” the problematic “drafting error”. The President called the Treasury Secretary, (Geithner) and told him to fix it. Timmy, in turn, called the boss at the IRS, Doug Schulman, and told him to fix it. Doug issued a ruling that “eliminates” the conflicting language. Poof! The problem goes away. Maybe.

-Without the consent of Congress, the IRS changed the letter of the law on the most significant legislation in the past fifty-years. With out the IRS ruling, ACA was D.O.A.

It might matter, if the US was a nation of laws rather than men.

Rae on December 12, 2012 at 5:18 PM

“Health care reform is too important to be achieved through haphazard planning,” Corbett said. “Pennsylvania taxpayers and businesses deserve more. They deserve informed decision making and a strong plan that responsibly uses taxpayer dollars.” …

Ok, I hate Obamacare, but Mr. Governor – those words would be part of a great argument *against* leaving something to the federal government.

Midas on December 12, 2012 at 5:19 PM

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM

A troll is in the room!

22044 on December 12, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Well, as a Pennsylvanian, I’m glad to hear this.

Night Owl on December 12, 2012 at 5:21 PM

It might matter, if the US was a nation of laws rather than men.

Rae on December 12, 2012 at 5:18 PM

This.

Midas on December 12, 2012 at 5:22 PM

OT, can somebody with more stroke at HotAir get them to quit posting about polls of 1,000 people by flaming liberal outlets like Bloomberg, CNN, WaPo and the rest of the east coast cabal of jinky hipster pundits declaring all things wonderful about libs and how aweful repubs are?

We can see that at their sites all day everyday if we want to.

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 5:22 PM

The most INCOMPETENT administration, evah!

GarandFan on December 12, 2012 at 5:24 PM

He sure showed them. Now the feds will have to come in and set up the kind of exchange they think is best with no input from Pennsylvanians…uh…maybe…Well, he sure showed them.

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM

LOL! You idiots don’t even have the rules written in order for any state to make an intelligent decision about this. What a bunch of clowns. If Obama’s previous accomplishments are anything to go by, we will all be long dead before he figures out how to make this thing fly.

Night Owl on December 12, 2012 at 5:26 PM

He sure showed them. Now the feds will have to come in and set up the kind of exchange they think is best with no input from Pennsylvanians…uh…maybe…Well, he sure showed them.

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM

that’s the point genious, they’ll run into a 10th amendment roadblock on the first day

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 5:26 PM

See, the problem is that *our* definition of what’s legal is different than *their* definition, which basically means they can do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, tell us what to do or not do, etc.

I doubt they’ll accept this as a valid ‘out’ clause if they don’t *want* to accept it.

Midas on December 12, 2012 at 5:17 PM

If a state’s exchange is not approved, or if a state chooses not to establish its own exchange, the
HHS Secretary has the authority to establish and operate an exchange in that state directly, or
through an agreement with a non-profit entity.
§1321(c) of ACA.

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM

meh, genius

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM

A troll is in the room!

22044 on December 12, 2012 at 5:20 PM

As is so often the case, the “troll” is right. As more states join the non-cooperative bandwagon, that will only give the Feds an opening to shove single payer through. And as someone said above, fine, America. You wanted it, you got it.

ddrintn on December 12, 2012 at 5:29 PM

that’s the point genious, they’ll run into a 10th amendment roadblock on the first day

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Oh, so you’re suggesting a Constitutional challenge to the ACA where the Supreme Court would have to decide if the law is violative of the Constitution. Why didn’t someone think of this before?

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM

ddrintn on December 12, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Not so fast. Most people didn’t want this.

22044 on December 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM

A troll is in the room!

22044 on December 12, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Conservative definition of “troll” : Anyone not involved in the circle jerk.

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM

See, the problem is that *our* definition of what’s legal is different than *their* definition, which basically means they can do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, tell us what to do or not do, etc.

I doubt they’ll accept this as a valid ‘out’ clause if they don’t *want* to accept it.

Midas on December 12, 2012 at 5:17 PM

They may attempt some sort of “REVENGE”, but if I’m not mistaken, the Supreme Court said that they can not penalize the states for not joining in, and they can’t force them to expand their Medicaid programs either. This thing is being attacked on many fronts, and I still say this a$$hole in the White House is going to be spinning his wheels for the next four years trying to make it legal, in addition to building a whole system they weren’t planning to build, and aren’t prepared to build.

Night Owl on December 12, 2012 at 5:34 PM

More. More government, more meddling in our lives, more, more, more.

And as a reminder to the libs who are salivating at the thought, the cops who trounced you from your OWS shiitholes are the “government”.

Bishop on December 12, 2012 at 5:34 PM

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Wear it, buddy.

22044 on December 12, 2012 at 5:35 PM

If a state’s exchange is not approved, or if a state chooses not to establish its own exchange, the
HHS Secretary has the authority to establish and operate an exchange in that state directly, or
through an agreement with a non-profit entity.
§1321(c) of ACA.

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM

LOL! Good luck with that.

Night Owl on December 12, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Yay democrats giving money to private health insurance companies!

It turns out that ObamaCare makes an essential part of its regulatory scheme—an $800 billion bailout of private health insurance companies—conditional upon state governments creating the health insurance “exchanges” envisioned in the law.

This was no “drafting error.” During congressional consideration of the bill, its lead author, Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT), acknowledged that he intentionally and purposefully made that bailout conditional on states implementing their own Exchanges.

Yay democrats confiscating taxpayer money to funnel to their big business cronies!

yay! Keep voting democrat! For the little guy!

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I am sure Hickenlooper will set one up. After all he is thinking of running nationaly
ChunkyLover on December 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM

With a name like “Hickenlooper?” Good luck with that.

iurockhead on December 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM

More. More government, more meddling in our lives, more, more, more.

And as a reminder to the libs who are salivating at the thought, the cops who trounced you from your OWS shiitholes are the “government”.

Bishop on December 12, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Like this?

UltimateBob on December 12, 2012 at 5:44 PM

He sure showed them. Now the feds will have to come in and set up the kind of exchange they think is best with no input from Pennsylvanians…uh…maybe…Well, he sure showed them.

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM

The “freedom” for states to set up the exchanges is completely cosmetic. They’re still beholden to the new federal regulations either way, which will continue to emerge. The states just have the options to make regulations stricter, a right they always have had.

Good move by PA.

Chuck Schick on December 12, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Yay democrats confiscating taxpayer money to funnel to their big business cronies!

yay! Keep voting democrat! For the little guy!

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 5:42 PM

The ‘rats ARE for the little guys, someone has to act as cannon fodder to achieve utopia.

Bishop on December 12, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Why didn’t someone think of this before?

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM

They did loser and they got away with lying during the passage so they could say it was a tax in SC arguments. So they got the right to tax for it. But they didn’t write the law that they got the right to tax for (we’ll have to see what’s in it after we pass it meant we haven’t written it yet). Now they have to write a law that will run counter to the 10th amendment on so many fronts they will be stuck in limbo for years.

Gonna be a whole lot of Obamabots on the outside. As soon as the feds think they have a state taken care of that state can pick and choose that plan, re-write and set up the death panels and allow means testing for services. Want to guess what that will look like? Ooops! I predict many 250th trimester abortions performed on the poor.

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Hey! More good news…Bill Haslam, Tennessee’s RINO governor, said NO to setting up the exchanges as well…2 days ago.

That makes me happy. Hope the Feds choke on Obamacare.

Have a nice day.

FastTalker on December 12, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Like this?

UltimateBob on December 12, 2012 at 5:44 PM

FINALLY. I’ve been looking for that pic everywhere, it’s the exact one I had in mind when I commented.

This one works too:

http://www.vexnews.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/tianasquare-thumb.jpg

Bishop on December 12, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Full article from Cato

It turns out that ObamaCare makes an essential part of its regulatory scheme—an $800 billion bailout of private health insurance companies—conditional upon state governments creating the health insurance “exchanges” envisioned in the law.

This was no “drafting error.” During congressional consideration of the bill, its lead author, Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT), acknowledged that he intentionally and purposefully made that bailout conditional on states implementing their own Exchanges.

Now that it appears that as many as 30 states will not create Exchanges, the law is in peril. When states refuse to establish an Exchange, they are blocking not only that bailout, but also the $2,000 per worker tax ObamaCare imposes on employers. If enough states refuse to establish an Exchange, they can effectively force Congress to repeal much or all of the law.

That might explain why the IRS is literally rewriting the statute. On May 24, the IRS finalized a regulation that says the law’s $800 billion insurance-industry bailout will not be conditional on states creating Exchanges. With the stroke of pen, the IRS (1) stripped states of the power Congress gave them to shield employers from that $2,000 per-worker tax, (2) imposed that illegal tax on employers whom Congress exempted, and (3) issued up to $800 billion of tax credits and direct subsidies to private health insurance companies—without any congressional authorization whatsoever.

Some supporters of the law claim that Congress never intended to give states the power to block ObamaCare’s insurance-industry bailout. No doubt there are many in Congress who held that position. But they lost. If they’re unhappy now, they should take it up with Max Baucus.

What they should not do is set a precedent where the IRS can, on its own discretion, tax one group and subsidize another to the tune of $800 billion.

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 5:49 PM

As is so often the case, the “troll” is right. As more states join the non-cooperative bandwagon, that will only give the Feds an opening to shove single payer through. And as someone said above, fine, America. You wanted it, you got it.

ddrintn on December 12, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Hahahaha. “Oh we liberals NEVER had any itention of pushing single payer healthcare. You guys made us.”

Chuck Schick on December 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Rogue Government.

Plewis loves it.

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Well, as a Pennsylvanian, I’m glad to hear this.

Night Owl on December 12, 2012 at 5:21 PM

.
As another Pennsylvanian, I also am glad to hear this.
.
.
But dang blast it, Tom Corbett has been such a disappointment on other issues . . . . . . . : (

listens2glenn on December 12, 2012 at 5:53 PM

This is going to get really interesting. If the Feds are responsible getting this thing off the ground, regardless of what type of insurance system it is, expect an epic, massive fail even bigger than we anticipated.

Disaster. Corbett’s not taking PA along for the ride. All the blame goes to Dems. Let it burn.

Philly on December 12, 2012 at 5:56 PM

If I were the federal government… I’d probably be panicking right about now.

Panicking? Why? Laughing is more like it. Last I looked, Pennsylvania and New Jersey are primarily blue states. Christie and Corbett will be voted out of office if they don’t set up those exchanges and make affordable individual insurance pollicies available their constituents. Those governorships will return to the Democrats, who will run on this issue.

Love it or hate it, Obamacare is now the law of the land. I don’t give a rat’s azz about polls showing how unpopular Obamacare is. When folks start losing employer sponsored care, they will learn to love Obamacare real fast, and get pissed at those standing in the way of it.

Republicans, as usual, will get rolled.

Obamacare is not a Trojan horse for single payer. It is a Trojan horse for a permanent government majority. Posturing idiots like Corbett and Christie are falling right into the trap.

Mr. Arkadin on December 12, 2012 at 5:56 PM

1. The federal government will just create the exchanges.

2. The system is already sliding and will almost immediately slide completely into single payer through economic gravity.

3. The congress is no longer required for creating legislation.

4. The executive is now too big and complex for congressional oversight.

Thank you for your query, citizen.

Have a nice day.

Don’t forget to remove your identification card.

Axe on December 12, 2012 at 5:58 PM

FINALLY. I’ve been looking for that pic everywhere, it’s the exact one I had in mind when I commented.

Bishop on December 12, 2012 at 5:49 PM

There is a better one out there. The one I posted looks like a ripoff of the original, but I couldn’t find that one.

The original is floating around on Facebook somewhere, I’ll post it here if I ever find it.

UltimateBob on December 12, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Nullification by the states is our last line of defense against an increasingly tyrannical federal beast. Grow some ‘nads, Governors.

Harbingeing on December 12, 2012 at 4:55 PM

That and the 2nd amendment. Just sayin’

TxAnn56 on December 12, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Now consider this — the PPACA sets forth a “fine” (tax) of $2,000 per employee for a business that has 50 or more and does not provide “at least” the minimum “insurance” to all.

There is no health care plan I’m aware of that a business can buy today that costs less than $2,000 per employee per year, and which also meets the requirements in the law. None. That was almost impossible to meet back in 1995 for a healthy, 18 year old insured single male. It’s flatly impossible now and it’s doubly-so if your workforce has other than 18-year old single, healthy males in it. I know this to be factual because I was responsible for buying it for our employees as a CEO of a company.

Therefore the incentive is for all businesses to drop health care.

Period.

Second, your choice is to either (1) buy and have said plan (whether through employment or individually) or pay a “fine” (tax) of 1% of income (increasing to 2.5% of AGI in 2016.) The minimum “fine” is $95 starting in 2013, rising to $695 in 2016. The average family income is about $50,000/year, which means that the fine (tax) will be $1,250 in 2016. It’s less now.

You cannot buy health insurance at their “minimum level” for anything approaching $1,250 a year no matter how healthy you are at any age.

The law prohibits insurance companies from charging you more if you’re sick, or refusing to cover you at all. They must accept everyone on equal terms.

Therefore:
Businesses will drop coverage; it’s cheaper (by far) for them to pay the fine and, for those under 133% of the federal poverty level, those employees can go onto Medicaid. This is a “family of four” income of $31,900 (as of today; it will go up of course.) That’s roughly the second quintile.

Individuals will drop coverage and pay the fine, since it’s far cheaper than to buy the “insurance.”

Both will buy the “insurance” only when they get sick, since they cannot be upcharged.

The cost of “insurance” will thus skyrocket to 10x or more what it costs now, just as it would if you bought auto insurance only after you wrecked or homeowners insurance only after you had a fire.

At the higher price nobody will be able to afford to buy the insurance at all, since that will be indistinguishable from just paying for whatever is wrong with you, plus the insurance company markup.

In very short order the entire medical system and health insurance scheme will collapse, leaving only two choices — either a return to free market principles (including all I’ve argued for since this debate began) or a single-payer, fully-socialized system ala Canada.

Guess which option the godless reprobates want? Hint: has nothing to do with markets or liberty.

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 5:59 PM

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Source for quoted text: Market-Ticker.org

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Watching nullification in action? I sure hope so.

totherightofthem on December 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Guess which option the godless reprobates want? Hint: has nothing to do with markets or liberty.

tom daschle concerned on December 12, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Well, I say we keep up the resistance and see if we can outlast them.

Night Owl on December 12, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Thank you Tom!!!

congma on December 12, 2012 at 6:30 PM

No , Rick Scott will not commit yet .
His latest statement was he’ll wait
and see what’s up .
I check our local papers , sites etc..
No recent news as far as I can see .

Lucano on December 12, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Let. It. Burn.

MTF on December 12, 2012 at 7:02 PM

plewis on December 12, 2012

This one’s not real bright.

CW on December 12, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Not so fast. Most people didn’t want this.

22044 on December 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM

And yet they re-elected the fool who signed it into law (along with enough Senators who voted for it), thereby ending any chance of stopping it from advancing any further.

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2012 at 7:22 PM

And yet they re-elected the fool who signed it into law (along with enough Senators who voted for it), thereby ending any chance of stopping it from advancing any further.

You have seen the letter signed by 18 dem senators asking Obama not to tax medical devices haven’t you? He also added 3.6% to college loans to fund Obamacare I believe. And now he wants to forgive student loans. This thing is coming apart.

DanMan on December 12, 2012 at 8:33 PM

From the subhead on the main page:

I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request. Means “no.”

Very nice, Erika!

massrighty on December 12, 2012 at 9:07 PM

IIRC, Rick was the first Gov since election day to tell them to fk off – no exchanges in FL.

The Count

And he started waffling the very next day after saying that.

xblade on December 12, 2012 at 9:57 PM

plewis on December 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM
A troll is in the room!

22044 on December 12, 2012 at 5:20 PM

…I smelled it!

KOOLAID2 on December 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

In the end, ObamaCare will be killed by the States.

Which is as it should be.

Which is where these issues should be debated; not in DC.

Which is where we Conservatives should be waging our battle.

Our goal should not be the Presidency; it should be to make DC irrelevant and inconsequential to our day-to-day lives. Battles over the role of government in our lives should be conducted at the State and local level; not at the Federal level.

ss396 on December 12, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Montana is moving forward toward setting up an exchange next year. Looks like our property taxes won’t be going down and I don’t think they have a plan for adding more doctors for the new clinics they’re building. The libs will start with the smaller states and then move on to the others.

Kissmygrits on December 13, 2012 at 9:19 AM