Reid: If you were expecting a fiscal-cliff deal before Christmas… don’t

posted at 5:21 pm on December 11, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Whether this is an attempt at shrewd negotiating or just plain ol’ flying by the seat of their pants, I don’t know that anyone was really convinced that a fiscal-cliff deal was going to get done before Christmas — but that doesn’t make this any more welcome. Roll Call reports:

Senate leaders warned Tuesday that time is running out to strike a deal on the fiscal cliff, with Majority Leader Harry Reid saying it would be “extremely difficult” for Congress to finish its work before Dec. 25.

“Until we hear something from Republicans, there’s nothing to draft,” the Nevada Democrat said. “It’s going to be extremely difficult to get it done before Christmas.”

Meanwhile, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney rebuffed Speaker John A. Boehner’s call Wednesday for President Barack Obama to offer up specific new cuts to entitlement programs, suggesting that the GOP make specific suggestions first and again demanding that Republicans cave on raising tax rates for the wealthy.

Given the snail’s pace at which these ‘negotiations’ have been proceeding so far, not to mention the now-mirrored accusations of, “No, you name specifics!”, I’m not holding out hope for fiscal cliff-free Christmas festivities, and other Congressional leaders have already affirmed that the legislative branch is going to stick around until this gets done.

Although, perhaps, there is a tiny glimmer of hope? Maybe? Politico reports that the White House did indeed present Boehner with their second version of a fiscal-cliff proposal on Sunday (although, as evidenced by Boehner’s comments today, it apparently wasn’t that impressive and the White House is still “slow-walking” this thing), and the GOP has counter-offered again — but the details are still undisclosed:

House Republicans say they have sent President Barack Obama a fresh proposal that would “achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more American jobs.” …

Obama sent House Republicans a counter offer to their original proposal Sunday that called for $1.4 trillion in new revenue but little movement on entitlement cuts, sources said.

But, I’m generally inclined to think that taking this thing down to the wire has been part of the plan all along — I’m betting we’ll be hearing a lot of rabble-rabble-rabble straight through ’til New Years.

Update: Or, then again…?


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Obama knows he has to raise taxes on the middle class at some point. He wants to go over the cliff so he can blame the GOP. Doesn’t matter what Boehner offers, Obama wants the cliff. He got their vote, the middle class means nothing to him.

ctmom on December 11, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Uh, isn’t it a violation of federal law and of democrat principles to refer to December 25th as, “CHRISTMAS”?

Reid needs to be arrested immediately.

Pork-Chop on December 11, 2012 at 5:31 PM

let the MF burn.

UltimateBob on December 11, 2012 at 5:32 PM

why are we the ones pushing for means testing like it’s some kind of concessing by the commies?

we’re raising taxes on the successful, and throwing them under the bus with means testing of benefits they’ve paid for– what the hell do we actually get in return again?

And they’re demanding more taxes out of us and dragging their heels on that even?

What a joke.

thurman on December 11, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Let it burn

RAGIN CAJUN on December 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM

I say give Obama what he wants and structure it such that he owns it.

- Pass a bill to extend the middle class tax cuts.
- Pass a second bill to extend the upper income tax cuts.

Obama will sign the first bill, but will have a tough time claiming those cuts as his own.

Obama will veto the second bill. Fine, let him own the outcome of raising taxes on the job creators and the impact of Obamacare.

When it comes to spending and entitlement cuts, make Obama spell out the cuts he wants. If he doesn’t, or they are minimal, so be it. The economy will crash and he can own it.

The current Bonner negotiating route will end up with nearly the same result, but with Obama blaming it on the Republicans.

GCM on December 11, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Surprise. /s

totherightofthem on December 11, 2012 at 5:35 PM

You can’t negotiate when one of the parties isn’t operating in good faith and there is no way that anybody can say the rat-eared wonder and his filthy party is acting in good faith.

I think they want to go over the cliff. Or at least are planning that Boehner will cave at the last minute for fear that the GOP gets blamed for going over the cliff.

Well Mr. Boehner, you orange-hued puke. The GOP is going to get blamed anyway. Deal with it by standing on principle. Point out that the problem is with spending and not with raising taxes. Show some backbone or you will get blamed, by conservative Republicans sick to death of you worthless RINOs giving in to the Dems when the going gets tough.

Happy Nomad on December 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM

speaking of the goons, leftist morons, the crony socialists looking to be part of The Plan…and all the lumpen proletariat…that have assume the role of the countries Leaders

this would be funny if we were watching some broadway play about a Banana Republic…but, not so much

The irony could choke a horse. The invaluable Byron York Tweets that 18 Democrat U.S. Senators have asked to delay the Obamacare medical device tax because raising taxes on manufacturers will cost jobs. Knock! Knock! Knock! Hello? Is anybody home?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/335396/dem-senators-ask-delay-medical-device-tax-wesley-j-smith

r keller on December 11, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I expect very little from Senator Reid. I’m rarely disappointed.

Socratease on December 11, 2012 at 5:43 PM

If Boehner and Obama reached a deal both can live with and come out smelling like roses, I would expect Reid to sabotage it.

Liam on December 11, 2012 at 5:44 PM

The House should just pass an AMT fix, a Medicare Doc fee fix and keep the Bush tax cuts for the 98% from going up and go home. Those are the only things that can pass. Reid and the President are not going to give him anything in exchange for more tax hikes/revenues.

KW64 on December 11, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Oops, sorry Bonner = Boehner. I guess I’ve been too many sites that are disgusted with him.

GCM on December 11, 2012 at 5:48 PM

At the last second they will agree to extend the deadline for another six months.

albill on December 11, 2012 at 5:51 PM

tired of the crapola

cmsinaz on December 11, 2012 at 5:56 PM

we’re raising taxes on the successful, and throwing them under the bus with means testing of benefits they’ve paid for– what the hell do we actually get in return again?

Hilarious.. throwing the wealthy under the bus? The wealthy have been coddled by tax policy in this country for over a decade, realizing a never-ending ride of greater wealth while the middle class stagnates and decline.

Earlier presidents from Eisenhower to Clinton, who presided over far higher income and capital gains tax rates, were not throwing the rich under the bus or instituting communist policies.

Of course, you’re not actually wealthy yourself. You’re just easily influenced by right wing propoganda.

bayam on December 11, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Pretty sure that when you negotiate both sides are willing to give up something. 0bama and the democrats are not. This is just totalitarians demanding all or nothing. No compromise.

BURN BABY BURN!

jukin3 on December 11, 2012 at 6:17 PM

GREEDY politicians…….gone wild!

TEATERISTS rejoice……they have their free phones, debit cards, subsidized housing, etc.

PappyD61 on December 11, 2012 at 6:19 PM

1998 total federal budget: $1,600 billion.
2012 total federal budget deficit $1,300 billion.

jukin3 on December 11, 2012 at 6:23 PM

They’ll pass some horse$hit bill on New Year’s Eve at 11:59.

gsherin on December 11, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Of course morality is a matter of taste skygodders!

haw haw haw

tom daschle concerned on December 11, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Of course morality is a matter of taste skygodders!

haw haw haw

tom daschle concerned on December 11, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Mouse died, driving by keyboard commands is quick…but can be deadly. Wrong thread :/

tom daschle concerned on December 11, 2012 at 6:35 PM

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/12/11/how-republicans-can-win-the-fiscal-debate-with-a-tactical-retreat/

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CM on December 11, 2012 at 5:35 PM

yup sounds good …. Forbes had an article on it carried here on Horair …

(see above)

conservative tarheel on December 11, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Happy Nomad on December 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM

HN – I think there is away to keep the GOP from getting blamed …

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/12/11/how-republicans-can-win-the-fiscal-debate-with-a-tactical-retreat/

conservative tarheel on December 11, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Of course, you’re not actually wealthy yourself. You’re just easily influenced by right wing propoganda.

bayam on December 11, 2012 at 6:01 PM

I’m quite wealthy actually– my father went from 3rd world poverty to retiring a millionaire. I was a self-made millionaire at 36 after building my own medical practice. No one “coddled” me or did a damn thing for me, I was just smarter and harder working than anyone I knew.

So take your pathetic, condescending envy of those more successful than you and shove it up your ass.

Maybe if you channelled all the energy you waste on your whining and jealousy of others, you might actually make something productive of yourself too. It’s never to late to grow up.

thurman on December 11, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Getting this done before Christmas would take leadership.

Something that Barry and Harry know nothing about.

GarandFan on December 11, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Hilarious.. throwing the wealthy under the bus? The wealthy have been coddled by tax policy in this country for over a decade, realizing a never-ending ride of greater wealth while the middle class stagnates and decline.

Earlier presidents from Eisenhower to Clinton, who presided over far higher income and capital gains tax rates, were not throwing the rich under the bus or instituting communist policies.

Of course, you’re not actually wealthy yourself. You’re just easily influenced by right wing propoganda.

bayam on December 11, 2012 at 6:01 PM

All that ranting, and your fundamental facts are wrong. The Bush tax cuts raised the overall tax burden on the wealthy, not lowered. For all the screaming about “tax cuts for the wealthy” during the Bush administration, the end result was a more progressive tax system. In fact, fewer people paid income taxes in this country than ever before.

But if all you ever heard was the media, you would completely miss that little fact. Obama has been dishonestly calling them “tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans” for the last four years, like the liar Democratic propagandist and demagogue that he is.

As bad as the tax hikes would hit our economy, it might be a good thing for all the Bush tax cuts to expire and force a broader base of taxpayers. We’ll eventually absorb the economic hit, and more people in this country would have an incentive to vote for people who lower their tax burdens instead of people who hand out money from other people’s taxes.

Of course, this makes your entire post useless since it’s based on false claims. But it’s hardly the first time.

tom on December 12, 2012 at 1:39 PM