Reason poll: Young libertarians favored Obama over Romney by 10 points

posted at 10:04 pm on December 11, 2012 by Allahpundit

Some conservatives I know think libertarianism is less a serious ideological commitment than an affectation of certain social liberals who relish the idea of political independence. Why be something as banal as a Democrat when you can embrace Democratic social policies while leveraging the romantic intellectual outsider libertarian brand instead?

This won’t change their minds, I’m thinking:

Obvious caveat here: The voters described as “libertarian” didn’t self-identify that way. They’re presumptive libertarians based on the fact that they prefer small government and legal weed — not a bad rough gauge of political sympathies, but surely not foolproof. Case in point, if you’re all about legalizing pot, why on earth would you vote for a notorious marijuana hawk like Obama? On the other hand, marijuana legalization does seem to correlate with certain other socially liberal policies, so this may be based on more than just weed. Anyway, good enough for Reason, good enough for me.

The excuse for the result here, I take it, will be the old chestnut that there’s no meaningful difference between the parties and therefore, if you’re forced to choose, you might as well vote for the unabashed statist over the sheepish one. But they didn’t have to choose. Gary Johnson, a prominent, authentic libertarian, was on the ballot in most states and available as a protest vote. Failing that, they could have written in Ron or Rand Paul. If they voted for O, it’s likely because they prioritized social issues over fiscal ones, which is insane given the magnitude of the debt crisis we face but possibly a political fact of life when it comes to young voters of all stripes. And no, it’s no answer to say that Romney and Ryan wouldn’t have been the budget-slashing heroes that Pauls pere and fils are. Read this smart Ted Frank piece from October to see why. As devastating as Roberts’s ObamaCare decision was, the fact remains that five Republican Supreme Court justices agreed that the mandate exceeded the limits of the Commerce Clause. You’ll never, ever get a ruling like that from a Democratic appointee, and if you’re a libertarian, that should matter — maybe not so much to get you to cast a vote for Mitt but certainly enough to not get you to cast a vote for O. Same with foreign policy. Romney’s a lot more hawkish than the average libertarian can stomach, but then Romney’s not the guy who ordered military action in Libya and drone strikes across the world without so much as a nod at congressional approval. Again, all of this counsels either staying home or voting Johnson, not voting O.

For all the heavy breathing about the parties being indistinguishable, you’d be more likely to have serious entitlement reform passed and signed into law by Romney and a Republican Congress than you would with O wielding a veto pen and Harry Reid gumming things up in the Senate. If young libertarians didn’t care about that, it has to be because they voted for social issues rather than fiscal ones, which I suspect means gay marriage and maybe abortion more so than legalizing weed. Oh well. Enjoy the tax hikes.


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Enjoy the next 4 years, moron pothead Gary Johnson voters. You will need to smoke pot to deal with what lies ahead.

Philly on December 11, 2012 at 10:07 PM

These are the dopers that claim they are Libertarian. They’re really just liberal dopers.

Mr. Arrogant on December 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Probably some ron paulites in there also just getting even…..Thanks to all of you, hope you enjoy the ride especially when the wheels come off……….

crosshugger on December 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM

The problem is many young people do not make a lot of money and hence do not pay a lot of taxes unless the Bush tax cuts expire on those making less than $ 40,000 a year… On the other hand Romney won 51% of the young white voters (18-29 years old) which was a surprise…

mnjg on December 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM

When your main concern is legal drugs and destroying Israel, of course they are going to vote for Obama.

The Notorious G.O.P on December 11, 2012 at 10:12 PM

No, no, no, no …

SoCons ruined Christmas by sending all that money to Romney and working the phones for him.

hawkdriver on December 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Enjoy the next 4 years, moron pothead Gary Johnson voters. You will need to smoke pot to deal with what lies ahead.

Philly on December 11, 2012 at 10:07 PM

But that’s the whole point of this post — the so-called Libertarians had the opportunity to vote for Johnson and they still didn’t. We can only hope that in the near future gay marriage will become mandatory as will pot smoking. The abortions won’t even be necessary.

cynccook on December 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM

mnjg on December 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Do not forget that the whole student loan thing also. I know here where I live on a very popular FM station, there were tons of adds about how Obama cares and something about student loans ect ect… and how Mittens wanted to take that away from single young mothers… so it hit double.

watertown on December 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Young libertarians stoners, who call themselves “libertarians” but who don’t know what a “libertarian” is, favored obama over Romney by 10 points.

Pork-Chop on December 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Young libertarians favored Obama over Romney by 10 points

Young Libertarians tend to have larger stashes of dope than cash.

Who would rather smoke a joint with: cool black dude or uptight weird nerd?

Bruno Strozek on December 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Though I love single issue voters. I mean if pot is the biggest issue in life… what good is pot being legal when you aint got no money to buy it?

watertown on December 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

NEWS FLASH FOR HOTAIRIANS!!

We all assume that the “wheels will come off this bus”. And that the Left will run out of money/villains.

Right now it’s “millionaires” and “billionaires”. When the GREEDY Politicians need more…. They’ll come for those making $200,000. Then $100,000. Then 401ks, and private sector companies. Then private property rights.

The media is owned by the government in philosophy now…..and literally soon.

There is NO END IN SIGHT to what can be redistributed.

The Looters/Teaters are calling the shots.

PappyD61 on December 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

“Libertarian” is one hell of a dog-whistle, in’itnow?

Jeddite on December 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Too freaking funny. Constitution!!! Dante?!?! Floating Rock!?!?

Bmore on December 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Though I love single issue voters. I mean if pot is the biggest issue in life… what good is pot being legal when you aint got no money to buy it?

watertown on December 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Simple: make it medically necessary and Obamacare will no doubt subsidize it.

cynccook on December 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM

My family relative proclaimed he was now a libertarian and then said that the government should prevent US companies. from outsourcing any jobs and that companies make too much money.

He voted for Romney.

sentinelrules on December 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Won’t they be surprised when even the price of grass starts rising exponentially.

“This economics shiite is hard, I thought only old people would get taxed and shiite like that!”

Bishop on December 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Too freaking funny. Constitution!!! Dante?!?! Floating Rock!?!?

Bmore on December 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Hi B….how’re things? :)

cynccook on December 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM

PappyD61 on December 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Exactly

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

blatantblue on December 11, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Well they’re not really libertarians then are they? Just because someone self identifies with the term libertarian doesn’t mean they understand what the word means.

dczombie on December 11, 2012 at 10:19 PM

First of all it is no surprise for anyone that has watch Ron Paul rallies on cspan…in fact on one vote rating (maybe NJ) Paul was a 50/50 right/left congressman.

and the howling anti-war paul.bots sounded distinctly like Code Pink

But, not to worry…pot, SSM, etc will be legalized. And then everyone can get down to resurrecting the economy…or choose to be toker all their lives and get their benes

r keller on December 11, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Do not forget that the whole student loan thing also. I know here where I live on a very popular FM station, there were tons of adds about how Obama cares and something about student loans ect ect… and how Mittens wanted to take that away from single young mothers… so it hit double.

watertown on December 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Yes, very good points…

mnjg on December 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

A friend of mine, 34, identifies as a libertarian and self-proclaimed Ron Paul supporter. He is:

*Mostly pro-choice
*Pro-gay marriage
*Atheist (aside from his AGW religion & somewhat resentful toward Christianity)
*anti-interventionist (wants to close all our global military bases)
*pro-weed legalization
*anti-gun
*voted for Obama 2x

I laid all of his positions out for him before the election and told him he is a Democrat in denial. I’m certain that he just doesn’t like to associate himself with either political party.

The Count on December 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Some conservatives I know think libertarianism is less a serious ideological commitment than an affectation of certain social liberals who relish the idea of political independence. Why be something as banal as a Democrat when you can embrace Democratic social policies while leveraging the romantic intellectual outsider libertarian brand instead?

This won’t change their minds, I’m thinking:

Bingo.

Sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll — the hippies of the 1960s, the libertarians of today.

Stoic Patriot on December 11, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Young Libertarians with EBT cards..

The common denominator???

EBT cards.

Electrongod on December 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Smokim’ if you got them.

Electrongod on December 11, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Anyone who calls themselves a “libertarian” yet voted for Obama hasn’t got the faintest friggin’ clue what a “libertarian” is.

El Dillo on December 11, 2012 at 10:26 PM

To hell with libertarians…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preussentum_und_Sozialismus

BTW, there are a lot of libertarians(ahem Bryan Caplan) who are seemingly in love with Singapore… which is interesting considering Singapore’s ruling party’s inspiration at birth…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Action_Party

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_and_Circle

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists

ninjapirate on December 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM

As someone said on another site today….they’re not libertarians…they’re libertines.

CW on December 11, 2012 at 10:28 PM

QUESTION: Which group has the characteristics of a Cult?

1. Ron Paul voters.

2. Libertarians.

3. Apple computer users.

4. All of the above.

ANSWER: #4

Alabama Infidel on December 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM

I’m sorry but I don’t think we can have fiscally conservative people without social conservatism. We can try but I assume it wouldn’t last long.

terryannonline on December 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Anyone who calls themselves a “libertarian” yet voted for Obama hasn’t got the faintest friggin’ clue what a “libertarian” is.

El Dillo on December 11, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Every category of libertarian went for Obama. Isn’t it possible that you are the one who is denying what libertarianism is?

sharrukin on December 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Look at the breakdown

It’s predominantly WASP female Gen X college dropouts who make 35-45K/year, and go to church weekly.

They see themselves as ideologically Libertarian/conservative, but affiliate with Democrats, but predominantly vote Republican!

The poll is a mess. Yet again.

Polls need to start micro-targeting answers.

How many females said this compared to males. The generalities provide junk info.

From what can actually be gleamed…

The female majority interviewed perceive themselves as moderate, but are really Clintonian Liberals of the 90′s. The males sees themselves as independents, but are more likely Perot supporters who resent voting Republican because the patriarchal feeling of the party but usually don’t vote Dem because of the nanny state nature.

They’re political wanderers, praying for the 90′s to return. Clinton bagged these people for Barry because Mitt was too square, and Ryan seemed like the class kiss-arse they knew in high school.

budfox on December 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Nice. Cutting off the nose to spite the face…

changer1701 on December 11, 2012 at 10:30 PM

It’s all about the pot. And low and behold retarded libertarians ended up supporting the guy who can’t resist being a tyrant and is trying to stop Colorado and Washington from enacting their own laws. Libertarians need to learn about federalism first, and the personal freedom to stunt their mental development with a burning leaf second.

NotCoach on December 11, 2012 at 10:31 PM

With the education system controlled by liberals, every generation needs to be deprogrammed so they make their own decisions. Every time, you’re going to have tons of young people who believe in fairy tales if you just hope and change. They don’t know history and don’t know the consequences. Tax them at 75% and they’ll wake up.

MrX on December 11, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I showed this poll to my pothead libertarian friend. She couldn’t believe it. She lives in California so she threw her vote away on Johnson but she was shocked her pot head peers went for Juggears.

jawkneemusic on December 11, 2012 at 10:35 PM

If you purport to be associated with a party with the root word “liberty” and you can’t recognize Barack Obama as the anathema of liberty, you’re a moron.

rrpjr on December 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM

…mental retardation!

KOOLAID2 on December 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM

They’re presumptive libertarians based on the fact that they prefer small government and legal weed — not a bad rough gauge of political sympathies, but surely not foolproof.

The entire article is a sham, then.

Dante on December 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Anyone who calls themselves a Libertarian and voted for Obama doesn’t have the slightest idea what Libertarianism is. It’s like a Communist voting for Reagan.

RadClown on December 11, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Low-information libertarians. Apparently they exist.

Free Constitution on December 11, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Wait until they start paying extra to subsidize Gramps’ congestive heart failure.

Jill1066 on December 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Ummm… wait. Is no one else noticing what I’m noticing. Look more closely at that data. Even those that identify as “lean conservative” i.e. support small government AND banning pot, still supported Obama by four points.

All this poll proves is that Romney was a shit candidate and couldn’t even sell himself to those that agree with him.

letoile du nord on December 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

If young libertarians didn’t care about that, it has to be because they voted for social issues rather than fiscal ones, which I suspect means gay marriage and maybe abortion more so than legalizing weed. Oh well. Enjoy the tax hikes.

I bet they believe President Choom is all about Mary Jane. Young voters are low information voters. “The Political Teen” is an exception.

Axe on December 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I proudly voted for Gary Johnson.

I’ve never smoked marijuana or done any other illicit drug in my life, by the way.

Armin Tamzarian on December 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

I proudly voted for Gary Johnson.

I’ve never smoked marijuana or done any other illicit drug in my life, by the way.

Armin Tamzarian on December 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

There are other ways to suffer severe mental damage, such as being dropped on your head when young. Pop’s not use two hands when holding you?

NotCoach on December 11, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Free to take whatever drug one wants.
Free to have sex with any person or animal or thing in any way one wants.
Not free to keep the fruits of one’s labor.
Not free to start a business.
Not free to worship as one chooses.
Not free to criticize the government.
Welcome to Barack Obama’s Amerika.

xrayiiis on December 11, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I’m a ‘young libertarian’. I supported Ron Paul in the primaries. I voted for Republicans on November 6th. And to be honest, I’d be comfortable with raising the voting eligibility age by a decade. I would gladly wait a few more years to vote.

Nephew Sam on December 11, 2012 at 11:16 PM

So Romney lost all of the youth vote, in every category. Good thing that we ceded Hollywood, K-12, and all of the colleges to the communists.

This just confirms that pissing off all of the Ron Paul supporters at the convention handed the election to 0bama.

jukin3 on December 11, 2012 at 11:18 PM

If they voted for Obama, they are not Libertarians. They must just think Libertarian sounds good, so they say that’s what they are, but don’t have a clue as to what it means as Obama is the most anti-Libertarian just about ever.

VorDaj on December 11, 2012 at 11:19 PM

These are the dopers that claim they are Libertarian. They’re really just liberal dopers.

Mr. Arrogant on December 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Exactly!

So tired of liberal potheads calling themselves Libertarians so they can fit into some hipster group.

Worst yet are the anarchists who call themselves Libertarians.

ButterflyDragon on December 11, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Hey, the tea party gave the Republicans a huge majority in the House and what did they do with it? They got out-maneuvered by the Democrats in the Senate and Obama every step of the way. Now, they’re about to have the same thing happen to them again while they’re thinking of a way to convince people they’re doing the right thing.

There’s something to be said about voting for a winner, at least you know what they’re going to do. With the Republicans, they say they’re the party of lower taxes and smaller government yet, over the past 2 years, spending has increased and government has grown, just as it did when they had the White House, the Senate, and the House. So, you can vote for the party of big government and tax the rich, or vote for the party that “says” they’re not for big government and tax anyone yet taxes go up, debt goes up and government gets bigger.

The Republicans need some leadership and leaders who believe in what Republicans are supposed to believe in. Boehner and McConnell are not those people.

bflat879 on December 11, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Anyone who calls themselves a Libertarian and voted for Obama doesn’t have the slightest idea what Libertarianism is. It’s like a Communist voting for Reagan.

RadClown on December 11, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Ding, ding, ding.

ButterflyDragon on December 11, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Young “libertarians” are idiots. Damn, even young “conservatives” favored Obama.

Young people are idiots (and I’m 22)!

netster007x on December 11, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I was talking to a 20 year Republican today. He is not a Libertarian, by any stretch. He was venting his frustration over his peers voting for Obama over gay marriage, when other issues are more important. He is pro-gay marriage himself, but he simply wants people to keep perspective. The libertarian youth’s vote are mostly a response to the utterly contemptible position in the GOP platform on this issue. Yes, they disagree with the GOP platform on abortion and marijuana also, but it’s the gay issue that makes us despised by the youth.

thuja on December 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM

What this shows is that there may be a lot less to the ‘burgeoning’ libertarian movement than meets the eye — or in this case, the polling results in recent years that have indicated a increase in the percentage of people who either are calling themselves libertarians or are being identified based on their question responses as libertarians.

You can say you’re a platypus, but if you don’t have a duck bill, flat tail and lay eggs, you aren’t one, even if you do other things, like breathing, that a platypus does. Likewise, just because you want pot and some other controlled substances legalized does not make you a libertarian, if you’re all for government increasing control on the rest of your life and increase the amount of taxes and other fees it’s charging you. If Reason wants to protect its libertarian brand, it really should increase its efforts to make a case for what an actual libertarian looks and acts like, as opposed to someone who wants to smoke weed for 40 years and then have the government pay for their emphysema treatments.

jon1979 on December 11, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I’m reaching here, but Obama has scored some civil liberty points when he directed the DOJ to go after some state and local police forces that were more openly violating constitutional rights ala New Orleans, Newark, and Seattle. No one imagined Mittens continuing that.

Should’ve drafted Mitch Daniels whether his wife wanted it or not.

jayhawkboilermaker on December 11, 2012 at 11:33 PM

So Romney lost all of the youth vote, in every category.

jukin3 on December 11, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I don’t think it was quite that bad. I saw something that said Romney won the youth vote, and by several percent, among whites, and among white women too. Which means, of course, that Obama won because minorities, especially blacks, march in close to lock step and vote as a block whereas whites do not, although maybe they should start.

VorDaj on December 11, 2012 at 11:37 PM

So millennials who say they ‘lean conservative’ backed Zero 52-48?!

They must only be okay with banning pot because they’re already on some much better stuff…

Gingotts on December 11, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I wrote in Ron Paul. I slept good that night and continue to do so. I wouldn’t vote for anyone the GOP put up. I would have voted for Hillary Clinton before I would have voted for a fake like Romney. Tell me how he was conservative. They Republicans are crooks and shysters, identical to the democrats. Yea, tell me how awesome Romney was, how “conservative” he was. If you come at me with this “you wasted your vote” malarky, save your breath. I refuse to vote for these clowns the GOP keeps offering. Romney was a loser, both figuratively and literally.

air_up_there on December 11, 2012 at 11:47 PM

The reason for this is fairly simple. If you are socially liberal and fiscally conservative, then you are not going to get a candidate from either party that you love.

Obama offered more socially liberal policies than libertarians thought that Romney was going to offer fiscally conservative policies. Why vote for someone who is that father of Obamacare as your fiscally conservative candidate sacrificing all socially liberal policies? You get literally nothing that you want with that choice. . . . .

Thats the mindset.

thphilli on December 11, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Raise the voting age!

netster007x on December 11, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Low-information libertarians. Apparently they exist.

Free Constitution on December 11, 2012 at 10:43 PM

They are part of the overall Young Low Information group.

They know jack-shit about Libertarian philosophy, but they call themselves Libertarian for the “cool factor.”

sentinelrules on December 11, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Well then they’re not “libertarians” by definition, now are they? More like “idiots”.

I don’t know why I waste my time on this website..

long_cat on December 11, 2012 at 11:50 PM

So Romney lost all of the youth vote, in every category.

jukin3 on December 11, 2012 at 11:18 PM
I don’t think it was quite that bad. I saw something that said Romney won the youth vote, and by several percent, among whites, and among white women too. Which means, of course, that Obama won because minorities, especially blacks, march in close to lock step and vote as a block whereas whites do not, although maybe they should start.

VorDaj on December 11, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Perhaps for 2016 the GOP should run adds of Samuel Jackson telling people he voted for O’brainless cause he’s black.

Or this Foxx cassandra telling people he loved his movie role because he got to shoot all the white people. I mean, how black is that.

No more nice. It loses everytime. Pop culture made the meme. Vicious is cool.

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2012 at 11:57 PM

LIBERTARDIANS.

StubbleSpark on December 11, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Well then they’re not “libertarians” by definition, now are they? More like “idiots”.

I don’t know why I waste my time on this website..

long_cat on December 11, 2012 at 11:50 PM

To my mind, there has never been a distinction between the three, liberals, libertarians, and idiots.

StubbleSpark on December 12, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Obama offered more socially liberal policies than libertarians thought that Romney was going to offer fiscally conservative policies. Why vote for someone who is that father of Obamacare as your fiscally conservative candidate sacrificing all socially liberal policies? You get literally nothing that you want with that choice. . . . .

Thats the mindset.

thphilli on December 11, 2012 at 11:49 PM

You are utterly wrong. There are only freakishly rare youth out there with the mindset you suggest. Too many youth, libertarian or not, thought that social issues were the important issues and just ignored the economic issues.

thuja on December 12, 2012 at 12:06 AM

RON PAUL ===== OBAMA SUPPORTER AND VOTER!!!

williamg on December 12, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Remember this, the next time some deadbeat RP supporter wants your support to elect a libertarian.

It really shouldn’t be a surprise. Many of the RP supporters here made clear they were going to be selfish and didn’t care about our country.

Shouldn’t be surprising either, that many of RP supporters are actually liberals. These young angry white males with low IQs are easily persuaded into Borg like communities.

BruthaMan on December 12, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Andrew Sullivan has been running a series of letters by millennials, many of whom openly identify as libertarian, on the reasons for their vote preferences. Gay marriage is oft-mentioned, but there are many other commonly cited reasons, including the perception of the GOP as hostile to education, technology, non-whites, non-Christians, and as being poor stewards of the economy during the Bush years (failing to pay for Medicare Part D, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, etc.). Some of the letters are thoughtful, others are crazy, but they offer an interesting window into the thought processes of these voters. The series is collected here:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/letters-from-millennial-voters.html

cam2 on December 12, 2012 at 12:27 AM

I wouldn’t vote for anyone the GOP put up. I would have voted for Hillary Clinton before I would have voted for a fake like Romney. Tell me how he was conservative. They Republicans are crooks and shysters, identical to the democrats. Yea, tell me how awesome Romney was, how “conservative” he was. If you come at me with this “you wasted your vote” malarky, save your breath. I refuse to vote for these clowns the GOP keeps offering. Romney was a loser, both figuratively and literally.

air_up_there on December 11, 2012 at 11:47 PM

A great example of the idiot, know it all so-called libertarian. It’s really awesome that Obama won because he’s not a fake liberal? You do not make any sense at all!

Vince on December 12, 2012 at 12:28 AM

It seems obvious to me that if there is a future for the Republican Party, there has to be some sort of detente between the establishment GOP, the Tea Party and the Ron Paul wing. It’s sort of similar to during the early Bush years, the Democratic Party was split between the establishment types who voted for the Iraq War and the sort of Howard Dean/anti-war types. Eventually they more or less reunited, especially under Obama, and the rest, as they say . . .

Progressive Heretic on December 12, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Obama offered more socially liberal policies than libertarians thought that Romney was going to offer fiscally conservative policies. Why vote for someone who is that father of Obamacare as your fiscally conservative candidate sacrificing all socially liberal policies? You get literally nothing that you want with that choice. . . . .

Thats the mindset.

thphilli on December 11, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Really! How do you know this?

Vince on December 12, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Raise the voting age!

netster007x on December 11, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Hear, hear! And you can only vote if you pay income taxes!

John the Libertarian on December 12, 2012 at 12:33 AM

I’ve been saying for a while that a lot of these people calling themselves “libertarians” are crypto-Democrats. Half the “occupy” jackasses were calling themselves “libertarians”. There is nothing more diametrically opposed to the libertarian agenda than Democrats. Anyone calling themselves “libertarian” who acts to get a Democrat elected is a hypocrite.

crosspatch on December 12, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Cue all the whining about young, dimwitted libertarians handing Barky another 4 years on the throne.

When in actuality the GOP and many of its supporters drove them off.
Just as they drove off conservatives.

Romney got less righties out than McCain, who is a RINO in Gold.

Ponder that.

CorporatePiggy on December 12, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Andrew Sullivan has been running a series of letters by millennials, many of whom openly identify as libertarian, on the reasons for their vote preferences. Gay marriage is oft-mentioned, but there are many other commonly cited reasons, including the perception of the GOP as hostile to education, technology, non-whites, non-Christians, and as being poor stewards of the economy during the Bush years (failing to pay for Medicare Part D, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, etc.).

So in other words they just recited all the Dem/media talking points from the last few years. That doesn’t make them Libertarians, it makes them successfully programmed.

Malachi45 on December 12, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Hear, hear! And you can only vote if you pay income taxes!

John the Libertarian on December 12, 2012 at 12:33 AM

That would disenfranchise nearly half of those 65 and over, as well as many young working families (like military) who don’t make a lot of money. Most who don’t pay federal income taxes are either elderly or low-income workers with children who qualify for the Child Tax Credit or Earned Income Tax Credit.

There are some good charts here on who doesn’t pay and why (see charts 4, 5, and 7.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/18/who-doesnt-pay-taxes-in-charts/

Yikes, it’s 1:00! Night all.

cam2 on December 12, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Cue all the whining about young, dimwitted libertarians handing Barky another 4 years on the throne.

When in actuality the GOP and many of its supporters drove them off.
Just as they drove off conservatives.

Romney got less righties out than McCain, who is a RINO in Gold.

Ponder that.

CorporatePiggy on December 12, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Not so. The GOP didn’t drive anyone off, the lies and propaganda from the leftist media did, their socialist K-12 programming did, and the lies of Obama did.

Malachi45 on December 12, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Every category of libertarian went for Obama. Isn’t it possible that you are the one who is denying what libertarianism is?

sharrukin on December 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM

No, as Obama is the anti-libertarian.

VorDaj on December 12, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Goldwater was an actual libertarian and would never have even considered voting for Obama.

VorDaj on December 12, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Gary Johnson, a prominent, authentic libertarian, was on the ballot in most states and available as a protest vote.

Yes, and as we discovered in 1992 and 2000, lodging a protest vote has absolutely no larger consequences….

calbear on December 12, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Pot smoking liberaltarians. The only difference between them and libertarian-socialists is an affinity for guns brought about by many years of FPS games. And both factions want Free Shit, socialized medicine and far more money than they are worth and support queer marriage.

rayra on December 12, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Every category of libertarian went for Obama. Isn’t it possible that you are the one who is denying what libertarianism is?

sharrukin on December 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM

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Wise up already, and stop believing every bit of bullish!t that gets digitized.
Reason Poll my a zzz. This poll has as much meaning as the Obama log I flushed earlier. Reason is so far up Bill Mahr’s rump, that Mahr never has to flush.
Romney – yes- ROMNEY,
WON young white millennials 51-44.
Thats a negative 14 point swing for the messiah since 2008.
Only an idiot would think support for “big/strong government pot head ” euphoria support is on the rise with the azzclown in the WH. Unless of course these “Libertarians” are mostly minority, which we know is not true. Or was this poll conducted with “likely libertarians” or just those who like the concept ?

The PravdaThink mediaites will not talk about the loss of young white voters for Oblunder – but it happened , it was real and documented.
So live in your media liberal packaged reality of lies and deception, but you are a mere mushroom being fertilized by these Marxists. Viva Fidel.

FlaMurph on December 12, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Oh please, there are young “libertarians” who identify with it just by the name and not the ideology.

Just like kids who think of themselves as communist, at the same time enjoy the immense benefits that only a capitalist industry could offer.

V-rod on December 12, 2012 at 1:46 AM

I think they mean to call themselves Liberalretards.

profitsbeard on December 12, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Yep. I made stupid choices early on, too.
I voted for H. Ross Perot in my first election.
(But, G.H.W. Bush vs. Clinton is NOT Obama vd. Romney!!!)

I think it proves that kids are getting dumber.

RedCrow on December 12, 2012 at 2:36 AM

Young “libertarians” are idiots. Damn, even young “conservatives” favored Obama.

Young people are idiots (and I’m 22)!

netster007x on December 11, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Raise the voting age!

netster007x on December 11, 2012 at 11:50 PM

That’s commitment. :)

Report to Asia and take command of the theatre, General.

Axe on December 12, 2012 at 2:43 AM

There is no way in the world that you could seriously call yourself Libertarian and vote for the man that brought you Obamacare. It is so statist that George Orwell’s family should sue for copy write infringement.

Theophile on December 12, 2012 at 2:44 AM

They’re presumptive libertarians based on the fact that they prefer small government and legal weed

That explains most of it. The rest of it is that these yoots are low-info voters. Don’t know libertarianism from libertinism and don’t know Obama from Shinola.

petefrt on December 12, 2012 at 3:55 AM

Reason poll: Young libertarians favored Obama over Romney by 10 points

And those were the commenters here who railed against “social conservatives”.

And still are. Many a “Libertarian” is a Liberal (first and foremost) and many of them really dislike “social conservatives” and otherwise, Conservatives in general.

Libertarians aren’t Conservatives. To assert that they are is the same jibberjabber as claiming “Hispanics are Conservatives” as to voting and political views.

Lourdes on December 12, 2012 at 4:38 AM

“Libertarian” is the alternative but keep-up trendy word with “Progressive.”

Liberals, both, always looking for some newer, hipper, cooler term to self refer to avoid being lucid about who and what they are, politically.

Lourdes on December 12, 2012 at 4:40 AM

Goldwater was an actual libertarian and would never have even considered voting for Obama.

VorDaj on December 12, 2012 at 1:16 AM

I don’t know about that…if there’d been an “Obama” variety present during Goldwater’s voting experiences, I tend to think Goldwater would have found the “alternative candidate” idea or concept that Obama has cashed in on to be appealing.

Goldwater would NOT have voted for candidates who represented “Social COnservative” values, beliefs, positions. So he would be among those, likely as anything, who would opt to “jump” in the voting booth and “just go with” the cool, alternative candidate. Like Obama.

I think Obama’s appeal to many a non-black voter (because Black voters do support Obama primarily by race and for racial motives) is that he’s deemed to be “the alternative” to the “old, white guy” culture and so he’s supported. Obama is a trend.

Lourdes on December 12, 2012 at 4:45 AM

Andrew Sullivan has been running a series of letters by millennials, many of whom openly identify as libertarian, on the reasons for their vote preferences. Gay marriage is oft-mentioned, but there are many other commonly cited reasons, including the perception of the GOP as hostile to education, technology, non-whites, non-Christians, and as being poor stewards of the economy during the Bush years (failing to pay for Medicare Part D, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, etc.).

So in other words they just recited all the Dem/media talking points from the last few years. That doesn’t make them Libertarians, it makes them successfully programmed.

Malachi45 on December 12, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Well said, Malachi. I agree with you. Sullivan’s gathering represents the Left, not necessarily “millennials,” but LEFTWINGERS. Who are of a certain age (or are not otherwise, but in this Sullivan propaganda-packaging, they’re ‘millennials’). But first they’re Leftwingers.

FUnny how those among Sullivan’s clutch complain about “spending to pay for Medicare Part D” but they’re utterly eager to spend infinitely more on ObamaTaxScheme called, inaccurately, “healthcare”. What they’re actually revealing is they hate and loathe older citizens, so they’re angry anyone older than themselves is “getting” what they, themselves, think they are owed by others.

Lourdes on December 12, 2012 at 4:50 AM

RON PAUL ===== OBAMA SUPPORTER AND VOTER!!!

williamg on December 12, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Remember this, the next time some deadbeat RP supporter wants your support to elect a libertarian.

It really shouldn’t be a surprise. Many of the RP supporters here made clear they were going to be selfish and didn’t care about our country.

Shouldn’t be surprising either, that many of RP supporters are actually liberals. These young angry white males with low IQs are easily persuaded into Borg like communities.

BruthaMan on December 12, 2012 at 12:14 AM

I opined as such ^^ here in comments for years prior to last election. Got a lot of criticism for those opinions, too.

But, IN MY EXPERIENCE with RP advocates, who they were/are and how they behaved/behave reveals a group of Leftwingers if not anarchists in some cases.

They’re not Conservatives regardless of how much they try to distort the meaning of that (and they do).

Way back when the RP thing first burst onto the nation, back during mid-bursting by the Howard Dean thing, no less than GEORGE SOROS funded the MoveOn/MeetUP House Party thing that they both relied on, and much of the “indie media” on the internet being used and exploited by both ‘movements’.

Primarily, their rallying cries are: “no war” (or, “end the war in Iraq” and “save the poor Palestinian victims of the mean, ugly Zionists”), legalize drugs (particularly MJ), embrace homosexuality or you’re the enemy, and, marriage means a variety of things.

All of that, quite Leftwing. Soros funded the “meet up” house party website rings and pow-wows.

Lourdes on December 12, 2012 at 4:59 AM

The GOP needs to own the “Federalism” brand, including for in-state Pot growth-Smoker processes. No federal role here.

Spartacus on December 12, 2012 at 5:51 AM

they prefer small government and legal weed

So they prefer small government and legal weed and they voted for Obama?

Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement, including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

And as smoking weed impairs cognitive abilities it seems that the reason for this phenomena can be readily discerned. Addel mined “libertarian” marijuana abusers support Obama because they are confused and they support “small government” because they find big government and normal social life too complex and confusing too navigate.

Perhaps in this regard “Libertarian” is just polite way to say L-O-S-E-R?

Mike OMalley on December 12, 2012 at 6:25 AM

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