Federal appeals court: Second Amendment prevents states from completely banning concealed carry
posted at 6:00 pm on December 11, 2012 by Allahpundit
As with the Supreme Court gun-rights decision on which this one is based, it’s a win not because it changes a lot in and of itself but because it lays a foundation for future victories. Heller, the SCOTUS case, said only that guns couldn’t be banned entirely, not that they couldn’t be heavily regulated. It’s a starting point for lower courts to figure out where the line can be drawn legally in state gun-grabbing. Answer: Not at total prohibition, but maybe someplace close to that. Same here with the Seventh Circuit’s concealed-carry decision. Illinois is the one and only state in the union that absolutely prohibits carrying outside the home. Too far, says the court. If, per the Supremes, the Second Amendment guarantees a basic right of self-defense, then it’s only logical that that right travels with you to some extent outside your home. It’s a right to protect yourself, not just your property:
David Sigale, an attorney who represented the Second Amendment Foundation in the lawsuit, called the decision by the appeals court in Chicago “historic.”
“What we are most pleased about is how the court has recognized that the Second Amendment is just as, if not at times more, important in public as it is in the home,” he said. “The right of self-defense doesn’t end at your front door.”
In the opinion, Posner wrote that “Twenty-first century Illinois has no hostile Indians. But a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower.”
Clear enough. No outright bans on carrying outside the home. But … what if the state bans carrying outside the home for everyone except a handful of people who can show they’re under special threat and need to protect themselves? That’s not an outright ban. In fact, that’s how New York does it. And, per Posner’s opinion, that might be okay:
The New York gun law upheld [by the Second Circuit] in Kachalsky, although one of the nation’s most restrictive such laws (under the law’s “proper cause” standard, an applicant for a gun permit must demonstrate a need for self-defense greater than that of the general public, such as being the target of personal threats, id. at *3, *8), is less restrictive than Illinois’s law. Our principal reservation about the Second Circuit’s analysis … is its suggestion that the Second Amendment should have much greater scope inside the home than outside simply because other provisions of the Constitution have been held to make that distinction. For example, the opinion states that “in Lawrence v. Texas, the [Supreme] Court emphasized that the state’s efforts to regulate private sexual conduct between consenting adults is especially suspect when it intrudes into the home.” 2012 WL 5907502, at *9. Well of course—the interest in having sex inside one’s home is much greater than the interest in having sex on the sidewalk in front of one’s home. But the interest in self-protection is as great outside as inside the home. In any event the court in Kachalsky used the distinction between self-protection inside and outside the home mainly to suggest that a standard less demanding than “strict scrutiny” should govern the constitutionality of laws limiting the carrying of guns outside the home; our analysis is not based on degrees of scrutiny, but on Illinois’s failure to justify the most restrictive gun law of any of the 50 states.
Do we each have the right to carry in certain places outside the home or can the state say that only certain people who meet a necessity threshold have the right? (Which means it’s not much of a “right.”) And if the state can restrict carry only to those who show “proper cause,” what constitutes proper cause and who gets to decide? I’m thinking there are an awful lot of Chicagoans who have good cause to want to pack heat, and I’m not the only one:
Ald. Howard Brookins, 21st, chairman of the City Council black caucus, welcomed the decision, saying allowing Chicagoans to carry concealed weapons would help level the playing field in neighborhoods where law-abiding citizens feel like they need firearms to protect themselves.
“Certain people will have a sense of safety and peace of mind in the ability to do it,” Brookins said of conceal-carry. “I know that even people, for example, just trying to see that their loved ones get homes safely are in technical violation of all sorts of weapons violations. If you just walk out to your garage and see that your wife is coming in the house safely, and you happen to have your gun on you, you’re in technical violation of our ordinance. So I would hope all these ordinances would be consolidated so there’s one set of rules and people would know where the bright line is to what they can and cannot do with respect to carrying a weapon.”
An interesting footnote to all this, via NRO’s Robert VerBruggen: Although Posner is generally right of center, he took an awfully dim view of SCOTUS’s gun-rights decision in Heller four years ago. Nonetheless, he’s following that precedent to its logical conclusion in today’s ruling rather than trying to rein it in according to his own jurisprudential preferences. A commendable example of restraint; mull it over while you watch the left’s newest gun-control hero sounding off with Piers Morgan. Exit question: Should gun-grabbers appeal this decision to the Supreme Court or let it lie? If they let it lie, they lose the power to ban carry in Illinois. If they appeal and lose before SCOTUS, they may lose the power to ban carry in all 50 states.
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Nothing like witnessing the end of statist control, and the statists not being fully aware of it.
The schemers and controllers want to monopolize their force, assault weapons and death. Only THEY can steal. Only THEY can kill.
No, no more. Done enough damage.
fatlibertarianinokc on May 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM
time to go after paper politicians.
john1schn on May 7, 2013 at 6:22 PM
PITCHFORK CONTROL next?
Tar and feathers to be banned?
All you can eat buffets are killing Americans, over eaters should pay extra.
32 ounce $1.00 drinks at McDonalds causes Parkinson’s or something, special tax needed.
Seniors using too much healthcare in final years. Make Hospice Care free and provide a $10,000 tax credit to those that sign up at age 60.
And yet we dummies keep electing this!!!!!
PappyD61 on May 7, 2013 at 6:40 PM
Gun Crisis? What Gun Crisis?
Resist We Much on May 7, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Suck it, Lizardface.
fossten on May 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM
All those who were surprised by this move?
*crickets*
Valid security concerns aside, the idea of anyone literally being able to print unregistered weapons (possibly their ammo blanks too in the future) is absolutely terrifying to liberals.
MelonCollie on May 7, 2013 at 10:11 PM
Two things to think about before worrying about printed guns:
1. There’s no need to print guns unless Chuck and friends make it illegal to otherwise acquire them.
2. If having guns does become illegal the cartels which can smuggle weed across the border by the ton will bring in the guns as soon as there is a market.
Nomas on May 7, 2013 at 11:05 PM
The issue is not whether something should be done but whether something can be done.
The genius of this technology is that it is unregulatable.
You can pass laws but they won’t accomplish anything.
Furthermore, I can put the aforementioned six ounce slug of iron in the handle to make it legal.
Worse though you see how the gun comes apart into bits and pieces.
Lets say I take it apart. Will you spot the pieces?
What if every piece has a duel use. Every piece screws into something else. What if every little bit screws into my luggage.
The ultimate movie that had a plastic gun was “in the line of fire”… it was a neat little thing. They hid the bullet in a lucky rabbit’s foot. Everything else just broke down into little plastic bits that were here or there.
Can’t stop it. You protect yourself in that environment by knowing who is coming through the door… not by search them.
Karmashock on May 8, 2013 at 7:28 AM
Schumer can go bugger himself.
claudius on May 8, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Gotta love Schumer’s descriptive language, “Our Republicans”.
That’ll leave a mark.
MTF on May 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Dang it
Dear leader to take credit
cmsinaz on May 21, 2013 at 2:50 PM
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If amnesty passes both houses, I will never vote republican again.
I know that sounds like the typical empty threat. But in this case, I honestly do not see what the point would be of any longer pretending the GOP cares about limited gov’t.
My one vote and my limited finanical contributions won’t hurt the GOP. but hopefully, others will join in.
I would rather the GOP completely die as a party and allow us a chance to build something new while the DNC runs rampant that continue pretending that the GOP actually opposes DNC policies. The alternative, to continue the pretense, simply means allowing the DNC to pass its entire agenda a little more slowly than otherwise without any real chance of stopping it. At least if the GOP is killed off, a new party may actually come about that supports the idea of limited gov’t.
I don’t understand how Lindsay Graham is not beaten in a primary. Is there really nobody that could beat him by running to his right? I would also love to see McCain gone. Rubio has blown whatever conservative cred he had with this nonsense.
Monkeytoe on May 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM
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