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It does bother me that Olson et al are declaring that marriage is a “right”…it’s not, but equal access to legally recognized marriage, and access to state benefits, for gay couples is a right under the equal protection clause of the constitution. There is a difference, and it should be made clear.

JetBoy on December 10, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Gays have access to marriage as it exists. What you want is to change marriage itself to make it appealing to homosexuals.

And even that is not really the goal. The real goal is to try to make homosexual behavior officially recognized as “normal,” then use that recognition against anyone who does not agree that homosexuality is just as normal as normal sexuality.

Changing the definition of marriage to suit about 1% of the population does not make sense.

Homos need to know that having a piece of paper that says “marriage license” changes exactly no one’s mind about the morality or legitimacy of your relationship. People who don’t like you or your lifestyle are still not going to like it, and they’re not going to shut up about it either. If what you really crave is approval from Mommy and Daddy and that kid who bullied you in grade school, this piece of paper isn’t going to give it to you. If you’re a guy who wants to wear a wedding dress and throw yoursdefl a fabulous party, you can do that without having an official piece of paper that says “marriage license.” You can do pretty much anything you want to except file a joint federal tax return. So stop with the civil rights bullsh!t and just admit that you want the tax break, because that’s all the piece of paper gives you.

Straight people need to know that letting homos have that piece of paper and throw themselves weddings is not going to destroy a society that is already pretty much destroyed.

I’ve made the argument here for a long time that only man-woman relationships deserve state recognition and support, because they are inherently unequal and children are vulnerable. The real problem we have in America is that not enough straight people are getting married, not that gay people are.

Fact is — you’re not ‘defending marriage’ or anything else — other than your personal world class bigotry.

FlatFoot on December 10, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Obviously, you’re not one of those bigots that opposes True Marriage Equality. You’re a supporter, right?

Who the hell are you to set my standards of morality for me?

Timin203 on December 10, 2012 at 8:46 PM

EXACTLY! Nobody should be allowed to set morality standards for anyone else!

It’s obvious you support True Marriage Equality.

I don’t know what you mean by true marriage equality, but I support all levels of government getting the hell out of my life and the lives of everyone else.

I don’t care if two guys have a ceremony, call themselves married, and get whatever benefits or recognition that goes along with that.

Timin203 on December 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

True Marriage Equality means that everyone has the right to marry in any manner they desire.

It seems like you support this 100%.

The truth is the truth.

What makes that a “fact”? It sounds like simply your opinion. It’s possible that your the bigot who hates anyone who doesn’t see things your way.
I understand the effects of long, time drawn, feelings of being misunderstood and the irrational anger and hatred that can easily be born of that situation, but try not to hate those that are different than you.

Mimzey on December 10, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Was I talking to you?

Nope.

Butt out Buttinsky.

BTW, sparky — You’re = You are

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I gotta go…Cheers HotAir-heads, tomorrow is another day!

JetBoy on December 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM

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It’s been a pleasure arguing with you . . . . . . we’ll do it again, sometime.

You should know that my brother, whom I dearly loved, died of AIDS. I was first at his hospital bed although I lived furthest away.

INC on December 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM

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So if he died of Cancer would you be telling people what to eat or to wear sunscreen?

You should be ashamed of using your brother’s death in this discussion. Everybody dies. Therefore everybody knows somebody dead. So what?

Capitalist Hog on December 10, 2012 at 10:08 PM

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Her point was, that good Christians aren’t squeamish about offering ministry in a one on one, personal way to homosexuals.

Of course, that’s contingent upon the homosexual’s willingness to receive from them.

Why are you pleading for understanding?

Crap doesn’t change until people stand up with strength. Seriously, You sound more like you crave approval than equality. IMNSHO, you need to lower your expectations a bit. The current voice that’s being heard on the right is one of inequality. It is also one of abject hypocrisy.

I’m sure that seems harsh but I have no problem being putting it straight to individuals on behalf of the group.

Capitalist Hog on December 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I’m not “pleading” for anything…I’m just trying to state my thoughts and opinions just like everyone else. Is that OK with you? Should I just shut up and go away?

I’m not sure what I’ve said or did that makes you think I’m “craving approval” either…I don’t give a rat’s arse if you or anyone doesn’t “approve” of me, gays, gay marriage, or what car I drive.

And sorry, but I have no idea what you’re saying here:

you need to lower your expectations a bit. The current voice that’s being heard on the right is one of inequality. It is also one of abject hypocrisy.

I gotta go…Cheers HotAir-heads, tomorrow is another day!

Creative bigotry. Do you scrapbook as well?

Capitalist Hog on December 10, 2012 at 10:21 PM

You’re still a silly little thing.

… And what ever happened to “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”?

Timin203 on December 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

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They ran out of stones. They’re all perfect.

Capitalist Hog on December 10, 2012 at 9:59 PM

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Are you saying that we (Christians) are throwing stones at you?

When Jesus made that statement, they really were executing people that way.

Of course marriage isn’t immoral. What is immoral is the way people are attempting to redefine it.

I think I’ve mentioned this article to you before. It answers many questions.

Robert George, Sherif Girgis, and Ryan T. Anderson. “What is Marriage?” Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy vol. 34 (Winter, 2010): 245-287.

They’ve expanded it into a book, and it’s publication date is tomorrow.

http://www.amazon.com/What-Is-Marriage-Woman-Defense/dp/1594036225

INC on December 10, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I took a quick look at that book at the Amazon link you provided…I actually added it to my cart so I won’t forget to look into it when I have more time and have a less mushy brain from a long day. Check this thread tomorrow evening or remind me somewhere and I’ll certainly offer up my thoughts about it. Or simply email me at my gmail addy: JetsFanMetsFan@gmail(dot)com

Fact is — you’re not ‘defending marriage’ or anything else — other than your personal world class bigotry.

FlatFoot on December 10, 2012 at 10:10 PM

What makes that a “fact”? It sounds like simply your opinion. It’s possible that your the bigot who hates anyone who doesn’t see things your way.
I understand the effects of long, time drawn, feelings of being misunderstood and the irrational anger and hatred that can easily be born of that situation, but try not to hate those that are different than you.

Mimzey on December 10, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Creative bigotry. Do you scrapbook as well?

JetBoy on December 10, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Why are you pleading for understanding?

Crap doesn’t change until people stand up with strength. Seriously, You sound more like you crave approval than equality. IMNSHO, you need to lower your expectations a bit. The current voice that’s being heard on the right is one of inequality. It is also one of abject hypocrisy.

I’m sure that seems harsh but I have no problem being putting it straight to individuals on behalf of the group.

The issue is redefining marriage, the impact on society and culture and whether its worth it.
Change some tax classifications and contract law and call it a Civil Union. Much easier to accomplish and it would be fabulous! It could be a boon for the economy and artistic designers. Special cakes..special decorations..special ceremonies all requiring new, yet to be manufactured products!
Think out of the box…bone up on it.

But you know like I do, this is a fight on the margins, propelled by hetero progs.

It comes down to one ideological principle.

The right believes in the individual. The left believes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

So we speak out against one of our own, and harbor an entire class of Benedict Arnold’s, allowing them to make a living at being traitors.

Not the left. Everyone must tow the line or be cast out.

So the gay community who believes marriage should be an option will sit quietly aside while the Freedom From Religion crowd hijacks the issue. Until that changes, #war.

budfox on December 10, 2012 at 9:18 PM

OK, let me see if I can explain this properly…

I agree with you on the Left/liberals/progressives. I abhor the loud, vocal gay rights groups and the liberal politicians that are…pardon the analogy…in bed with them. I’m a fiscal and social conservative myself…I’m pro-gun, pro-life, and a firm believer in personal responsibility. So on just about everything, I’m in agreement with you.

There’s one term I cringe at every time I see it…and that’s “gay community”. There is no more a gay community than there is a straight community. There is as much diversity amongst gays as there is within straights…you just cannot put a label on “gays” and think for one minute it’s anything close to universal.

What my point is, is that you shouldn’t be against gay marriage because you see it as liberal progressiveness. Sure, libs have hijacked the issue…but that doesn’t mean that all the passengers on the hijacked plane support them.

I hope that makes some sense. Supporting gay marriage doesn’t mean you support liberals or Leftist policies. It means you value stability, monogamy, raising families if that’s your thing (gay couples raise kids all over this country you know) and let gays have that same opportunity for that same stable, loving family unit that is an important cornerstone to all of society…and that transcends sexual orientation and political affiliation.

INC on December 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Face it hon, you’re a homophobe bigot. Plain and simple.

Sorry about your brother — but I have no idea wtf that has to do with anything at all regarding your bigotry. If that’s supposed to be some kind of indicator that you’re not a bigot because your brother got AIDS and he called you first from his deathbed — well sweety — that dog don’t hunt.

Fact is — you’re not ‘defending marriage’ or anything else — other than your personal world class bigotry.

You should know that my brother, whom I dearly loved, died of AIDS. I was first at his hospital bed although I lived furthest away.

So if he died of Cancer would you be telling people what to eat or to wear sunscreen?

You should be ashamed of using your brother’s death in this discussion. Everybody dies. Therefore everybody knows somebody dead. So what?

FlatFoot on December 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

The bigot card doesn’t fly with me. You should know that my brother, whom I dearly loved, died of AIDS. I was first at his hospital bed although I lived furthest away. When he went through the harrowing nursing care and death due to AIDS of the guy he lived with, do you know who he called for emotional support? My husband and I, conservative Christians though we were. I know more about the pain of those in the homosexual lifestyle than you think I do.

Never think that because someone says a behavior is wrong and defends marriage that the person is a bigot. The person is upholding the truth.

(And name calling is a propaganda trick).

I guess they’re not very comfortable with their own sexuality — so bigots they must become in their desperation to hide their uncertainty.

How sad.

Not nearly as sad as their blackened hearts and the hate coursing through their veins — but still quite sad.