Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich

posted at 9:12 pm on December 10, 2012 by Allahpundit

A friendly reminder to congressional Republicans before Obama’s big amnesty push that comprehensive immigration reform alone isn’t going to solve their problem with Latinos.

According to a new impreMedia/Latino Decisions survey of more than 5,600 Latino voters, a whopping 77 percent favor increasing taxes on the wealthy. While the vast majority of Democratic Latino voters — 86 percent — fall into that category, so do 51 percent of Republican Latino voters

Independent Latino voters — those not attached to either party and thus viewed by both Republicans and Democrats as valuable potential assets to be courted — favor increasing taxes on the wealthy at a rate of 77 percent…

Barreto also notes that 31 percent of Latino voters would be more likely to vote Republican in future elections if the party “took a leadership role and helped to pass comprehensive immigration reform.” Among those potential Republican voters, only 13 percent support a spending-cuts only approach while 77 percent support taxes on the wealthy to reduce the deficit.

Two points. First, that write-up is misleading insofar as it suggests (without clearly stating) that Latinos support deficit reduction through tax hikes alone. Not so. A plurality of 42 percent supports a combination of tax increases and spending cuts, with 35 percent in favor of the tax-hikes-only approach and 12 percent in favor of cuts-only. So the good news is that 54 percent overall supporting cutting spending; the bad news is that a much higher percentage support tax increases. Second, the numbers here aren’t wildly different from the numbers in Politico’s poll of adults this morning, which showed 60 percent support generally for tax hikes on the wealthy and 39 percent support among Republicans specifically. The conservative position isn’t just disfavored by Latinos, in other words, it’s disfavored by most of the population, including a significant minority on our own side — but the problem is more pronounced with Latinos, which raises a key question about that 31 percent figure on comprehensive immigration reform. Do Latinos favor bigger government enough that most of the goodwill earned by Republicans in passing amnesty would instantly be squandered, or would passing amnesty be such an icebreaker that many Latinos would be willing to hear the GOP out on spending versus taxation in a way they haven’t before?

Meanwhile, from the same impreMedia/Latino Decisions poll, I’m not sure what to make of this:

Play around with the crosstabs at the last link and you’ll find that Latinos aged 18-30 were significantly more likely to say they voted in order to “Support Latinos” than those aged 66+. Likewise, naturalized Latino citizens were 10 points more likely to say so than U.S.-born Latino citizens were. On the one hand, the fact that there’s a huge bloc who are voting along identity lines instead of party lines means, theoretically, that those voters are more “gettable” than voters who say they voted to “Support Democrats.” It’s these voters, maybe, who will be most receptive to GOP movement on comprehensive immigration reform. On the other hand, voting to support your identity group instead of your party isn’t a monument to assimilationism. That’s not unique to Latinos, of course, and it may be part of a broader trend across all racial groups, which would be ominous for the future of American politics, but there it is. Just another data point as we approach the Big Immigration Debate.


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Pay up gringos !
It’s Transformation time !

FlaMurph on December 11, 2012 at 12:18 AM

One day, they’ll be rich too.

Q: What is a Democrat Million?

A: 250,000

unclesmrgol on December 11, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich in a weak economy

Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich America’s dwindling small businesses

Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich disappearing Mom and Pop establishments

Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich vanishing manufacturers

Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich possibly their own struggling employer…think they know that?

lynncgb on December 11, 2012 at 1:08 AM

The main problem with raising taxes on “the rich”

lynncgb on December 11, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Play around with the crosstabs at the last link and you’ll find that Latinos aged 18-30 were significantly more likely to say they voted in order to “Support Latinos” than those aged 66+. Likewise, naturalized Latino citizens were 10 points more likely to say so than U.S.-born Latino citizens were. On the one hand, the fact that there’s a huge bloc who are voting along identity lines instead of party lines means, theoretically, that those voters are more “gettable” than voters who say they voted to “Support Democrats.”

That defines an increase in segregation by ethnicity and/or race, and that’s a bad thing.

But it’s predictable: once one race or ethnicity emerges with that as a mantra — as in, “the Black community” thing — then others do likewise as to their own sense of “community”: we get a fracturing and increasing fracturing of someplace that is no longer one nation but a lot of “communities” all competing with one another for the most attention and…government indulgences.

This is seen throughout many a Latin country with few exceptions but especially in the Central American populations, as also with Blacks and it’s due to — ahem, not to be too blunt but this is the reality of the issue — due to tribalism.

One “Community” is a tribe, they compete with other “tribes” or “Communities” they deem are intruding or “taking away” from their tribe: by government funding, attention, media attention, infrastructure, “who is more right” than the other (other tribe).

This is the reality of what these “cultures” that define by ethnicity and/or race are about. Once people begin to define who they are by some ethnically or racially defined culture, then it’s downhill from there because it induces others to do likewise and then all the fighting starts: between “tribes”, between “communities”.

I find the term, “community” to be garbled, though intentionally, code-speak for “my race” or “my people” or “my kind, not yours.”

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 1:28 AM

And I think this information, mentioned in this post by AP, bluntly reveals that the whole sales pitch that “Latinos are Conservatives” is nonsense. It’s advertising jibber-jabber.

They vote FOR increased government pay-outs, or, for welfare, to put it bluntly. They perceive the voting process as voting “for more given to me by others”.

THEN they go home and some claim to be “Conservative” — yet Conservative values and goals are never a Latino voting priority, while Leftwing, Socialist values and goals are.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 1:32 AM

This poll settles it. Don’t even bother doing this stupid “outreach” B.S. towards Latinos, who are nothing more than liberal Socialists who want their Obamaphones, birth control and college tuition. They are write-offs who are beyond any hope. Forget them.

Myron Falwell on December 11, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Class warfare will lead to civil warfare.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on December 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I think it already has.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Does anyone ever ask how so many nations in Africa became quite so war-torn, dysfunctional, violent and needy?

How about Nicauragua, Guatamala, Mexico, other Latin countries with the same high levels of dysfunction? Venezuela and Cuba and Bolivia and Colombia?

The human populations IN those areas made those messes.

At some point, we have to start asking why we’re chasing a Polyanna notion of some noble-peoples from Utopialand that don’t really exist.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Class warfare will lead to civil warfare.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on December 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I think it already has.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Why else are all Socialists so hell bent on abolishing the 2nd Amendment?

Myron Falwell on December 11, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich vanishing manufacturers

Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich possibly their own struggling employer…think they know that?

lynncgb on December 11, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Yes but you have two leftist groups in terms of economic activity. The first are big government bee keepers. The second are marauding locusts.

Ecology.

I don’t know why I seem to be alone in seeing these things.

Immigration laws were designed as an attempt to preserve an environment and delicate relationships therein. That conceptualization make them more reasonable and palatable.

While the 2010 elections victories were the biggest of the misleading influences, the Republicans had several others including the view of some demographic groups through rose colored glasses.

Now that Chair Priebus is back, the challenge of assessing an unpleasant reality can begin. He just appointed several people for a study group called The Growth and Opportunity Project.

Being Republicans, they will look at “demographic and technological shortfalls” and will commence as being the chess club at your high school preparing to fight it out with MS 13, Acorn and a national version of the Chicago political machine.

This is while the media is chomping at the bit to portray them as Nazis if the old standby of wreckers of the US economy starts to wear thin.

They will not be allowed to address reality.

IlikedAUH2O on December 11, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Equal treatment under the law applies to everyone. Rich, poor, black, white…if you picking on a guy and forcing him to give up more of his dough just because he has more is not equal treatment. I know congress has to power to levy taxes but the so called “poor” should be paying the same percentage of their income as the so called “rich”. Say….10% across the board?

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 9:46 PM

VERY WELL SAID. Yes, I “shouted” that.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Class warfare will lead to civil warfare.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on December 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I think it already has.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Why else are all Socialists so hell bent on abolishing the 2nd Amendment?

Myron Falwell on December 11, 2012 at 1:45 AM

View the media (“Hollywood” as Leftwing propaganda arm) as the SYMBOLIC violence it is. Their ever increasing, absurdly irrational, self-indulgent, CRAZY insistence on insulting others is a statement of violence on our population, at least and especially on Conservatives, CHristians, “white people” and the family as it’s been indentified for all of human history.

That hideous statement by actor Jamie Foxx last Saturday on NBC’s SNL about how happy he was (and which hte audience was thrilled about) “k***ing all the White people”, that was symbolic violence but violence just the same. It’s part of the Left’s ongoing violence against the rest of us.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Non-Hispanic Caucasians are around 66% of the population and receive 38.8% of all welfare benefits.

Blacks comprise 12.4% of the population and receive 39.8% of all welfare benefits.

Hispanics are 16% of the population and receive 15.7% of all welfare benefits.

Asians are 4.5% of the population and receive 2.4% of all welfare benefits. They are also better educated than any other racial demographic group.

“Other” 1.1% of all welfare benefits.

SOURCE: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009, Report P60

Resist We Much on December 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

In common-speak, then, what those stats reveal is:

– One third of the Caucasian, non-Hispanic population receives some sort of welfare;

– Nearly all Blacks receive not only welfare but three times the welfare per individual as others;

– ALL Hispanics receive welfare.

I REALIZE THOSE ARE GENERALIZATIONS (not “all” of any race or ethnicity receive welfare) but in lay-person terms, that’s the case per those statistics.

And it really explains why Blacks and Hispanics are voting for “more welfare” and other Leftwing, Socialist government controls — it’s because it’s “their” resource of provision for themselves.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 2:11 AM

In common-speak, then, what those stats reveal is:

– ALL Hispanics receive welfare.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 2:11 AM

I think that you are confused about what the percentages represents. Using the Census numbers from 2009, the Latino community comprises 16% of the population, i.e., ~ 16% of 310 million. The 16% figure refers to the Latino percentage of the population.

On the other hand, the 15.7% number refers to the slice of welfare dollar pie attributable to Latinos. It isn’t referring to the number of Hispanics; rather, it represents the percentage of welfare dollars distributed. For example, if the total spent on welfare was $100, the amount of welfare dollars distributed to Hispanics would be $15.70.

16% = Percentage of Hispanics in US population. Represents number of people.

15.7% = Percentage of welfare dollars distributed to Hispanics. Represents the amount of a thing.

Resist We Much on December 11, 2012 at 2:24 AM

In common-speak, then, what those stats reveal is:

– ALL Hispanics receive welfare.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 2:11 AM

I think that you are confused about what the percentages represents. Using the Census numbers from 2009, the Latino community comprises 16% of the population, i.e., ~ 16% of 310 million. The 16% figure refers to the Latino percentage of the population.

On the other hand, the 15.7% number refers to the slice of welfare dollar pie attributable to Latinos. It isn’t referring to the number of Hispanics; rather, it represents the percentage of welfare dollars distributed. For example, if the total spent on welfare was $100, the amount of welfare dollars distributed to Hispanics would be $15.70.

16% = Percentage of Hispanics in US population. Represents number of people.

15.7% = Percentage of welfare dollars distributed to Hispanics. Represents the amount of a thing.

Resist We Much on December 11, 2012 at 2:24 AM

I didn’t misunderstand anything. You missed the points I made (I thought, quite clearly) that what I wrote there were “generalizations” and that I acknowledged that not “all individuals in any race or ethnicity receive welfare” and that I was GENREALIZING in common-language-speak:

*IF AND WHEN* any population of human “type” (distinguished from other humans by race and/or ethnicity) represents a limited percentage of the larger population but receives welfare in a percentage higher than their own population numbers, then it can be GENERALIZED THAT “they’re all receiving welfare”…OR THAT welfare use by that population is a big issue relevant about that population.

If you have ten people who are ten percent of a population of one hundred, and seven of them receive welfare times two (on average because seven of them receive two or more streams of welfare), then it’s reasonable to say that “all of them receive welfare” — their POPULATION’s use of welfare runs higher than their very population numbers do within the general population.

Thus, it is with “Hispanics” and certainly with Blacks.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 2:32 AM

16% = Percentage of Hispanics in US population. Represents number of people.

15.7% = Percentage of welfare dollars distributed to Hispanics. Represents the amount of a thing.

Resist We Much on December 11, 2012 at 2:24 AM

OK, fine. BUt you misunderstand my “generalization” points made earlier.

I think the stats speak for themselves about ethnic and racial populations and their access to (and acceptance of if not demands for) welfare (Socialism, Communism, big government, dependency on other people’s resources). Hispanics and Blacks represent those populations responsible for this burgeoning problem we have, by “generalization” about their self-defining segregated human populations.

Lourdes on December 11, 2012 at 2:36 AM

Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich

Absolutely.

And if 77% of any group of voters support gassing the Jews, then the Only Way Conservatives Can Win™ is by starting to cut lumber for Auschwitz Mk II.

No, seriously, I know that’s not what you’re saying, AP, this is obvious hyperbole, but I’m getting heartily sick and tired of the whole “the only way our principles can WIN is by abandoning them” bull.

You know, sometimes losing for the right reasons is worth it. At least worth more than “winning” for the wrong ones.

And I don’t think we’ll lose. Because nobody in the GOP, since Reagan (and they tried to Karl Rove him right out of the party as well, if you remember), has tried to actually stand on something that even remotely resembled principle.

I’d rather lose on that platform than “win” on a platform that has nothing to do with what I actually believe in.

I know. “Bitter Clinger” and all that. So much better to just accept the fact that Brrrrarrrrghhh Hussein BlightBringer really IS our lord and savior. At least that way the commie bastards might kill you last.

Misha I on December 11, 2012 at 2:52 AM

Don’t worry. Karl Rove says all of the “newcomers” are just certain to become fanatical Republicans! And good ol’ Dubya just gave a speech an’ he said he’s powerful excited about the “vibrancy” the mass of alien invaders is bringing to us all! Hoo-whee!

I’ll never vote Republican again as long as I live. I’m allegedly their base – y’know, typically “evil” 50-year-old white guy – but I’ll never vote Republican again. And the Democrats are (obviously) out of the question. After 30 years of voting, I’m done.

Some of us have tried for years to point out the openly, aggressively racial nature of the the left and their allies but the GOP didn’t want to hear it. In fact, they’ve gone along with it. It’s perfectly okay for La Raza to screech about Aztlan and to h-ll with white people but it’s a terrible, terrible sin to defend white Americans who aren’t against anybody but who want actual, enforced borders and immigrants who aren’t themselves racist and who support America as it is (or was). Well, how’s that working out at the ballot box?

Conservative white Americans no longer have a party representing them in this country.

The Republican establishment didn’t defend American culture, patriotism, and conservative ideas because, you see, they could just coast to a win all on their own merits and all by themselves. Besides, all that was kind of…embarassing at the DC cocktail parties. The GOP got lazy, comfortable, completely disinterested and, especially since Dubya, they don’t actually believe in anything having anything to do with conservatism.

They’d rather approval-seek from libs, go along to get along and call those stating the obvious racists. They’ll never face reality. They’ll never be honest about today’s cultural reality in America. And I’m done with them.

Django on December 11, 2012 at 3:17 AM

How many Rich Latinos support raising taxes on the rich to give Obama more money to throw at Solyndra?

Taxes solve 8 days of spending, what is Obama offering for the other 357 days?

bflat879 on December 11, 2012 at 7:27 AM

It’s as though the elite of the Republican Party had a predetermined plan for a Brown America, to be brought about by mass immigration and forced integration and assimilation, and they believe any rationale for that plan, even ideas completely contrary to clear facts, such as the obviously wrong idea that Hispanics are natural Republicans.

They’re not looking at the evidence, and they’re not listening to their party’s activists or the 90% White voting base of the Republican Party.

David Blue on December 11, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Majority of Latinos want to turn United States into a giant version of Puerto Rico shocker.

CorporatePiggy on December 11, 2012 at 7:55 AM

They needed a poll to figure that out?

rplat on December 11, 2012 at 9:10 AM

One has to wonder where their Church has been hiding when they studied the cammandments about envy and coveting…..

Don L on December 11, 2012 at 9:17 AM

News flash for the pro-illegal alien GOP: 90% of Hispanic voters are economically retarded and have no conception of the word “trillion”, much less any concept of our debt and deficit.

Pandering to these nitwits is just a form of Let it Burn nihilism. Stand up, speak the truth at the top of your lungs, warn the stupid people about the costs of their stupidity, and never, ever, ever, ever give up. Fight to the end, conservatives. America as we knew it is worth fighting for.

Jaibones on December 11, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I’ll never vote Republican again as long as I live. …

Some of us have tried for years to point out the openly, aggressively racial nature of the the left and their allies but the GOP didn’t want to hear it. In fact, they’ve gone along with it. It’s perfectly okay for La Raza to screech about Aztlan and to h-ll with white people but it’s a terrible, terrible sin to defend white Americans who aren’t against anybody but who want actual, enforced borders and immigrants who aren’t themselves racist and who support America as it is (or was). …

Conservative white Americans no longer have a party representing them in this country.

Django on December 11, 2012 at 3:17 AM

My sentiments exactly. The GOP is willfully race-blind while all other parties are anti-white. If we ignore this powerful racial dynamic, we’re willfully blinding ourselves to the clear intentions of groups that seek to dispossess us.

Thresher on December 11, 2012 at 9:49 AM

starve the beast, LET IT BURN

burserker on December 11, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Meanwhile, from the same impreMedia/Latino Decisions poll, I’m not sure what to make of this:

Play around with the crosstabs at the last link and you’ll find that Latinos aged 18-30 were significantly more likely to say they voted in order to “Support Latinos” than those aged 66+.

Allah,

Here is an observation from Utah reflecting the same thing:

Utah Hispanics turn on moderates who support illegal immigration

As the article concludes, I think these are the results of years of identity politics – if two people hold similar positions but one is your skin color then they get the extra point (even if the incumbent has been consistently loyal to your cause). It’s the new tribalism and disheartening.

Besides the identity politics thing, the Republicans need a come to Jesus moment and decide how badly they want the Hispanic vote. If they really want it, they also better adopt the welfare state (Obamacare etc) as it ranks higher on Hispanics’ preferences than amnesty (see here, here, and here). Why vote for a candidate (R) who supported amnesty when you can vote for a candidate (D) who supports amnesty and public benefit programs?

Good luck winning that argument.

batter on December 11, 2012 at 10:14 AM

One has to wonder where their Church has been hiding when they studied the cammandments about envy and coveting…..

Don L on December 11, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Four words:

Catholic Church. Social Justice.

That about sums it up.

Django on December 11, 2012 at 3:17 AM

My sentiments exactly. The GOP is willfully race-blind while all other parties are anti-white. If we ignore this powerful racial dynamic, we’re willfully blinding ourselves to the clear intentions of groups that seek to dispossess us.

Thresher on December 11, 2012 at 9:49 AM

A lot more of the coming conflict is racial in nature than even I like to think about, and I think about it more than most people. (not that that’s too hard…)

There isn’t just going to be a collision with the reality of fiscal limitations. Our nation in general and whites in particular are going to run into cold, hard, undeniable racial truths. What we’ll do about them, as God is my witness, I have no idea.

MelonCollie on December 11, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Catholic Church. Social Justice.

That about sums it up.

It’s not just the Catholic Church. The LDS (Mormon) Church is delving more and more into the social justice canard.

batter on December 11, 2012 at 10:51 AM

I wonder how much of that 77% is…you know…legal?

zoyclem on December 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Translation: Steal white people’s money and give it to us.

Crawl under the door at night, lay eggs and feast on the host’s larder.

What an insect culture.

CrustyB on December 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM

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cableguy615 on December 11, 2012 at 7:48 PM

My sentiments exactly. The GOP is willfully race-blind while all other parties are anti-white. If we ignore this powerful racial dynamic, we’re willfully blinding ourselves to the clear intentions of groups that seek to dispossess us.

Thresher on December 11, 2012 at 9:49 AM

It’s fascinating how anti-white deomnization is considered totally legitimate and mainstream in America while if a white person even mentions race for any reason other than damning white people they are considered some kind of a monster.

You won’t see it discussed in the conservative media either. Grappling with it is considered too dangerous and a quick path to marginalization. The topic is not even honestly discussed. The right remains in apologetic, kumbaya mode pretending that the hate and scheming against whites either isn’t really there or is to be meekly endured because, hey, they buy into the lib narrative on white guilt and a specifically non-white future too. They hope the left will drop it all and suddenly start being nice. They won’t drop it. They’ve used it to build power for decades and they will take it as far as they can.

Is HotAir going to start addressing the openly anti-white nature of Democrat rhetoric and rule? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha….

Frederick Douglass (ironically) had a good quote that applies here: “Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them.”

A lot more of the coming conflict is racial in nature than even I like to think about, and I think about it more than most people. (not that that’s too hard…)

There isn’t just going to be a collision with the reality of fiscal limitations. Our nation in general and whites in particular are going to run into cold, hard, undeniable racial truths. What we’ll do about them, as God is my witness, I have no idea.

MelonCollie on December 11, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Something like 80% of Californians under age 25 are non-white. They’ve been taught anti-American politics, “Yay Aztlan!” and down-with-whitey in our miserable California schools. Half of them drop out. How’s that likely to work out for whites? Are the “newcomers” going to cheerfully pay for and care for an aging white population, the very people they’ve been taught to hate?

America’s going to become pockets of insulated wealth surrounded by unassimilated chaos and poverty. California’s already more than halfway there. The Republican Party doesn’t care. As long as they stay on the gravy train, even as a token and meaningless “loyal opposition,” they couldn’t care less.

Django on December 11, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Now that Chair Priebus is back, the challenge of assessing an unpleasant reality can begin. He just appointed several people for a study group called The Growth and Opportunity Project.

Being Republicans, they will look at “demographic and technological shortfalls” and will commence as being the chess club at your high school preparing to fight it out with MS 13, Acorn and a national version of the Chicago political machine. (LOLOL – me)

This is while the media is chomping at the bit to portray them as Nazis if the old standby of wreckers of the US economy starts to wear thin.

They will not be allowed to address reality.

IlikedAUH2O on December 11, 2012 at 1:52 AM

You could not be more correct, sir. 100% accurate analysis.

Django on December 11, 2012 at 9:08 PM

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