Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich

posted at 9:12 pm on December 10, 2012 by Allahpundit

A friendly reminder to congressional Republicans before Obama’s big amnesty push that comprehensive immigration reform alone isn’t going to solve their problem with Latinos.

According to a new impreMedia/Latino Decisions survey of more than 5,600 Latino voters, a whopping 77 percent favor increasing taxes on the wealthy. While the vast majority of Democratic Latino voters — 86 percent — fall into that category, so do 51 percent of Republican Latino voters

Independent Latino voters — those not attached to either party and thus viewed by both Republicans and Democrats as valuable potential assets to be courted — favor increasing taxes on the wealthy at a rate of 77 percent…

Barreto also notes that 31 percent of Latino voters would be more likely to vote Republican in future elections if the party “took a leadership role and helped to pass comprehensive immigration reform.” Among those potential Republican voters, only 13 percent support a spending-cuts only approach while 77 percent support taxes on the wealthy to reduce the deficit.

Two points. First, that write-up is misleading insofar as it suggests (without clearly stating) that Latinos support deficit reduction through tax hikes alone. Not so. A plurality of 42 percent supports a combination of tax increases and spending cuts, with 35 percent in favor of the tax-hikes-only approach and 12 percent in favor of cuts-only. So the good news is that 54 percent overall supporting cutting spending; the bad news is that a much higher percentage support tax increases. Second, the numbers here aren’t wildly different from the numbers in Politico’s poll of adults this morning, which showed 60 percent support generally for tax hikes on the wealthy and 39 percent support among Republicans specifically. The conservative position isn’t just disfavored by Latinos, in other words, it’s disfavored by most of the population, including a significant minority on our own side — but the problem is more pronounced with Latinos, which raises a key question about that 31 percent figure on comprehensive immigration reform. Do Latinos favor bigger government enough that most of the goodwill earned by Republicans in passing amnesty would instantly be squandered, or would passing amnesty be such an icebreaker that many Latinos would be willing to hear the GOP out on spending versus taxation in a way they haven’t before?

Meanwhile, from the same impreMedia/Latino Decisions poll, I’m not sure what to make of this:

Play around with the crosstabs at the last link and you’ll find that Latinos aged 18-30 were significantly more likely to say they voted in order to “Support Latinos” than those aged 66+. Likewise, naturalized Latino citizens were 10 points more likely to say so than U.S.-born Latino citizens were. On the one hand, the fact that there’s a huge bloc who are voting along identity lines instead of party lines means, theoretically, that those voters are more “gettable” than voters who say they voted to “Support Democrats.” It’s these voters, maybe, who will be most receptive to GOP movement on comprehensive immigration reform. On the other hand, voting to support your identity group instead of your party isn’t a monument to assimilationism. That’s not unique to Latinos, of course, and it may be part of a broader trend across all racial groups, which would be ominous for the future of American politics, but there it is. Just another data point as we approach the Big Immigration Debate.


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Trickle down poverty.

Vote for it.

tom daschle concerned on December 10, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Natural conservatives

antifederalist on December 10, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Somehow I get the feeling that pride will overshadow common sense. After all, it’s quite an accomplishment to tear down society. Kind of makes you feel in control, in a twisted sense.

But that could just be me.

williampeck1958 on December 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

I’m not sure what to make of this

I know what to make of it. I’ve seen it before.

Axe on December 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Let me quess…
77% of Latinos aren’t rich.
And don’t know math

Electrongod on December 10, 2012 at 9:19 PM

96% of Hot Gas readers couldn’t give two ratasses, while 100% of conservative NY insomniac Little Boots fans say vote present and let it burn.

Gingotts on December 10, 2012 at 9:20 PM

this is totally theater of the absurd. I can not believe House Rs are really hung over the tax the rich.

the issues that barry wants include the 50B stimulus, and of course the control the debt ceiling. We haven’t heard anything on that. So my hunch is that that is what the fight is about…the rest is SNL distraction theater

maybe the Rs will give barry 5T in debt to get him thru his next term. He’d be ok with that. Remember, he’s tired of these games. And you don’t want a king to be tired of you

r keller on December 10, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Blame it on Zorro.

SickofLibs on December 10, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Electrongod on December 10, 2012 at 9:19 PM

And the same respondents believe they’ll directly benefit from the increased taxes.

They should ask the question thusly:

“Do you support raising taxes on the rich if that money was only used to help pay down the debt, and with no increase in overall spending?”

BKeyser on December 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM

O.k. Boehner caves then.

ThePrez on December 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM

So don’t most of them come from countries where government controls wealth?

Cindy Munford on December 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

SickofLibs on December 10, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Hey SOL? Did you get an email from MD regarding the NB list?

BKeyser on December 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

dame de comer.

es mi derecho.

renalin on December 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I’m not sure what to make of this

I know what to make of it. I’ve seen it before.

Axe on December 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

How about AD 400 era Rome? Nah, no similarities.

arnold ziffel on December 10, 2012 at 9:25 PM

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Jonah Goldberg approves this message.

Capitalist Hog on December 10, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Reading the headline, all I am picturing in my head is the e-trade talking baby shocked face.

waterytart on December 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM

The Republican should stop the stupid negotiations with the parasite class President and propose two separate bills to vote on.

Bill # 1: Extend the Bush tax cuts for those making up to $ 200,000 (single) and $ 250,000 (married)… The parasite class President will sign it…

Bill # 2: Also extend the Bush tax cuts for those making above $ 200,000 and it will either be stopped by the socialists in the Senate or vetoed by the parasite class President… The socialists would have voted to increase the taxes on the job creators and hence caused the economic disaster that would follow…

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Just because the majority, not just Latinos, want to raise taxes, doesn’t mean its a good policy.

In fact it is quite unnerving to see so many demand somebody else HAS to pay more when the amount they will get in revenue is a drop in the bucket to the total spending that is completely out of control….

Bill of Goods…SOLD!

jjjdad on December 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I thought the constitution protected the rights of the minority from the will of the majority. When does playing this communist game of pitting one side against the other reach the level of high crimes and misdemeanors? What is going to happen when the rich all leave? They can easily move to Canada. Who they going to steal money from then. Class warfare will lead to civil warfare.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on December 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

How many of those 77% latinos receive welfare?

Poll how many of them think cutting spending will decrease our deficit and great ready for a laugh.

b1jetmech on December 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

give the Dems the tax rates they want … vote present …let them own it …

and not one dime on the debt ceiling …

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Ah, I love the smell of doom in the evening.

cynccook on December 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Hey, what would you say to the government reaming over the rich and handing out some goodies because of it?

Never mind that this type of theft is unsustainable..

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Jonah Goldberg approves this message.

Capitalist Hog on December 10, 2012 at 9:26 PM

It is a great message and very effective one… The socialists have been using class warfare and race warfare for long now it is our turn to use it… Are you a socialist?… I bet you are from your stupid username…

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

My uncle was actually gleeful that his kid might have autism because he would get some extra gubmint cheese.

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Poll: 77% of Latino voters support raising taxes on the rich

…And, how do those 77% of Latino voters propose funding the other 357 days a year???

Crickets.

Resist We Much on December 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

WOW AP did you remove my post? What is wrong with it? Are you afraid to speak the truth?

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

This might be a stupid question but why isn’t taxing the rich more not considered unequal treatment under the law? Libs love to talk about equality yet they punish successful people to give the “poor” free sh!t. Doesn’t seem very equal to me.

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

No wonder why liberal win when they use the race card… Too many cowards on our side get easily intimidated… AP tolerate communist trolls but will censor the truth when it is spoken for the fear of being called a racist…

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

How awesome it is that we can vote ourselves OTHER people’s money. Those greedy bast8rds.

CW on December 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

How many of those 77% latinos receive welfare?

b1jetmech on December 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

To be fair, the number of Latino welfare receipient is in proportion to the group’s percentage of the nation’s overall population. On the other hand, African-Americans consume far more welfare dollars than their percentage of the population.

Resist We Much on December 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

I thought the constitution protected the rights of the minority from the will of the majority. When does playing this communist game of pitting one side against the other reach the level of high crimes and misdemeanors? What is going to happen when the rich all leave? They can easily move to Canada. Who they going to steal money from then. Class warfare will lead to civil warfare.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on December 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Then they just lower the bar on who is ‘Rich’ – as long they can get a majority to buy into the immorality of stealing from a minority with the imprimatur of government making it “Legal” it’s all good for the majority.

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Hey, Where are all the trolls acknowledging Obama’s ownership of this debacle?

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM

This might be a stupid question but why isn’t taxing the rich more not considered unequal treatment under the law? Libs love to talk about equality yet they punish successful people to give the “poor” free sh!t. Doesn’t seem very equal to me.

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

You make too much sense. That’ll never fly. The left has a strange definition of fairness.

The most successful and well off people I know work the most …..and yet we are taught that the fruit of their labor is ours for the taking…as long as we have the votes. We’re a sick country.

CW on December 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM

…take a siesta…and vote Present !

KOOLAID2 on December 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Then they just lower the bar on who is ‘Rich’ – as long they can get a majority to buy into the immorality of stealing from a minority with the imprimatur of government making it “Legal” it’s all good for the majority.

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Well wait til these ideas go worldwide. The average American is rich compared to most of the world.

CW on December 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

ok, here’s an AP article that tells us what barry is ‘fighting for’..

If anything, the president has toughened his demands in recent days, insisting not only that tax rates must rise, but also that Congress give him and future presidents the authority to raise the government’s borrowing limit without prior approval by lawmakers.

He also is seeking extension of the Social Security payroll tax cut due to expire on Jan. 1, a continuation in long-term unemployment benefits and steps to help hard-pressed homeowners and doctors who treat Medicate patients.

the left feels the Power Tingling down Their Legs.

r keller on December 10, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Welcome to Alta California everyone…

… let me know if any of you don’t know where to sit.

Seven Percent Solution on December 10, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Maybe some one needs to explain that ‘rich’ doesn’t mean the swing shift manager at Wendy’s.

BigWyo on December 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Then they just lower the bar on who is ‘Rich’ – as long they can get a majority to buy into the immorality of stealing from a minority with the imprimatur of government making it “Legal” it’s all good for the majority.

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Well wait til these ideas go worldwide. The average American is rich compared to most of the world.

CW on December 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Something tells me our socialist Internationale in the WH is already thinking along those lines.

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM

To be fair, the number of Latino welfare receipient is in proportion to the group’s percentage of the nation’s overall population.

Wrong… Latinos are around 17% of the population yet are around 30% of the welfare rolls.

Whites, Hispanics, and Latinos have about the same amount of people on welfare… 30-35%.

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Reach…out. The liberals have been able to argue their version of economics in these communities without being challenged. We need to get in there and explain to the American people that tax hikes don’t create growth.

DeathtotheSwiss on December 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Hey, it’s easier than blaming the Jooooos and it’s easier than invading Poland and France.

Welcome to 1933 people.

viking01 on December 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Something tells me our socialist Internationale in the WH is already thinking along those lines.

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Tax America we’re rich. America you made your choice….those of you that voted for Obama eff you.

CW on December 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Reach…out. The liberals have been able to argue their version of economics in these communities without being challenged. We need to get in there and explain to the American people that tax hikes don’t create growth.

You are an idiot… this will never work and pretending it will is dangerous… it isn’t about “growth”… it is about the old Leninist saying… Who? Whom?

There is a reason Karl Marx supported free migration.

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Let me quess…
77% of Latinos aren’t rich.
And don’t know math

Electrongod on December 10, 2012 at 9:19 PM

And hail from socialistic countries

onlineanalyst on December 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

… and 1939, too.

viking01 on December 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

“It’s a free country. Everything is free!!!”

onlineanalyst on December 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM

How awesome it is that we can vote ourselves OTHER people’s money. Those greedy bast8rds.

CW on December 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

At least until they move to Belgium. Then, you only get to stomp vos pieds, express shock and outrage, and question whatever happen to les “generosity,” “sens of liberté, égalité, fraternité and “economic patriotism” of the “bâtards avides.”

And, you can throw in gratuitous remarks if one of them happens to be an actor with a giganormous gut that makes it nearly impossible to find his “très petit obélisque.”

lol

Resist We Much on December 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Yet, Marco Rubio, the Bushes, Chris Christie and GOP Strategists (aka idiots) like Mike Murphy and Steve Schmidt say we need more Latinos because they are the future of the GOP.

bw222 on December 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM

It’s not a coincidence Latino countries often choose Marxism in our hemisphere– this should be a bit of a clue

Natural Republicans my ass

This is evidence enough we should oppose amnesty like the plague– as if we need to give another 10-12 million more future socialists the right to vote?

How did Latinos thank Reagan for amnesty? Look it up

Asians are our only hope for inroads into new demographic voters

The RNC needs to make a hard move to win over the Asian-American vote over the next 4 years– that could be a game changer

thurman on December 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM

You make too much sense. That’ll never fly. The left has a strange definition of fairness.
The most successful and well off people I know work the most …..and yet we are taught that the fruit of their labor is ours for the taking…as long as we have the votes. We’re a sick country.
CW on December 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Has anyone tried to bring suite based on this logic? I’m not a lawyer but this seems logical enough that even idiots like LiveFreeOffOthers couldn’t argue against it. Equal treatment under the law applies to everyone. Rich, poor, black, white…if you picking on a guy and forcing him to give up more of his dough just because he has more is not equal treatment. I know congress has to power to levy taxes but the so called “poor” should be paying the same percentage of their income as the so called “rich”. Say….10% across the board?

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Wrong… Latinos are around 17% of the population yet are around 30% of the welfare rolls.

Whites, Hispanics, and Latinos have about the same amount of people on welfare… 30-35%.

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Granted, it is a little dated, but it is on my blog and I didn’t feel like going and pulling more current data:

Non-Hispanic Caucasians are around 66% of the population and receive 38.8% of all welfare benefits.

Blacks comprise 12.4% of the population and receive 39.8% of all welfare benefits.

Hispanics are 16% of the population and receive 15.7% of all welfare benefits.

Asians are 4.5% of the population and receive 2.4% of all welfare benefits. They are also better educated than any other racial demographic group.

“Other” 1.1% of all welfare benefits.

SOURCE: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009, Report P60

Resist We Much on December 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

77% of Latinos want big government to benefit them – but to be paid for by someone else. Nice.

They will be rioting in the streets when the money runs out.

LilyBart on December 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Go ahead. I’m falling off the economic radar next year anyway and the only way you can get blood from this stone is to hold a gun to my head. But I would have something to say about that, soooo….

Bishop on December 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

So, is someone deleting posts? My original post about the Mexican half of my family(my dad is mexican and my mom is Irish, so that makes me just as much of a latino as Obama is black)being a bunch government dependent free loaders has disappeared.

What gives?

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 9:54 PM

How can anyone seriously be a “conservative” anymore. Conservatism is the ideology of losers.

1. I don’t support capitalism anymore. Capitalism destroyed this nation because Capitalist believe they can sell the country out.
2. I don’t believe in democracy anymore and I don’t support spreading it. Democracy turns into rule of the moneyed and judicial classes.
3. I don’t support the military anymore. It’s the most PC organization out there and there are too many kids fighting for elites who hate them. The US military are footsoldiers for a new Trotskyism.

We don’t have a country anymore. I’m seriously going to run away to Eastern Europe one day.

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Conservative need to articulate conservative values in a disciples way

talk of ‘getting the latino vote’ is not disciplined. The left has decades of experience and technologies to ‘get’ votes. This is transactional politics…clientalism. Rs look like morons trying to do this…and eventually they wind up being stabbed in the back (take big business who will fund anyone)

R will always be in a catch up mode. Rs have to face reality…tell the truth. The truth may no longer be salable in the US. But at least we will know. Then we can settle for minority status and try to slow down the train.

I know the Left thinks that it has built a never-to-die voting machine…they may be right, or wrong…but ideas will defeat it unless it is too late

r keller on December 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Has anyone tried to bring suite based on this logic? I’m not a lawyer but this seems logical enough that even idiots like LiveFreeOffOthers couldn’t argue against it. Equal treatment under the law applies to everyone. Rich, poor, black, white…if you picking on a guy and forcing him to give up more of his dough just because he has more is not equal treatment. I know congress has to power to levy taxes but the so called “poor” should be paying the same percentage of their income as the so called “rich”. Say….10% across the board?

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 9:46 PM

It’s truly maddening that their class warfare is all based on purely arbitrary values – they decide…..what the hay let’s screw over the top 2% and not paying arbitrary fair share.

They could just change the dial on the selective morality gauge and make that the top 6.82625% ain’t paying their fair share.

Or they decide that “millionaire” means someone paid an average of $103,365 over the span of 8.3 years or some other such nonsense.

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Granted, it is a little dated, but it is on my blog and I didn’t feel like going and pulling more current data:

Non-Hispanic Caucasians are around 66% of the population and receive 38.8% of all welfare benefits.

Blacks comprise 12.4% of the population and receive 39.8% of all welfare benefits.

Hispanics are 16% of the population and receive 15.7% of all welfare benefits.

Asians are 4.5% of the population and receive 2.4% of all welfare benefits. They are also better educated than any other racial demographic group.

“Other” 1.1% of all welfare benefits.

SOURCE: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009, Report P60

Resist We Much on December 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Eh… wrong…

Of those on welfare, 33.3% are black, 31.2% are white, and 28.8% are Hispanic.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/character/fy2009/tab08.htm

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Or they decide that “millionaire” means someone paid an average of $103,365 over the span of 8.3 years or some other such nonsense.
Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I’m still not quite understanding how making 250k a year qualifies as a “millionaire”. It would take 4 years of earning 250K to collect a million in the bank and that’s if you spend none of it.

I’m so sick of this shyte. These people lie so openly and no one calls them liars.

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

chupón

Bmore on December 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

The Dos Equis guy supported Obama. He apparently has much influence with La-tard-0s.

Sugar Land on December 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Eh… wrong…

Of those on welfare, 33.3% are black, 31.2% are white, and 28.8% are Hispanic.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/character/fy2009/tab08.htm

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 10:02 PM

OK, Uncle. You’re the master. I kneel at your feet. The Census data is obviously wrong. I defer to your superior knowledge.

Resist We Much on December 10, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Cut their lawns, then cut their throats.

Film-maker Luis Bunuel’s credo.

profitsbeard on December 10, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Or they decide that “millionaire” means someone paid an average of $103,365 over the span of 8.3 years or some other such nonsense.
Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I’m still not quite understanding how making 250k a year qualifies as a “millionaire”. It would take 4 years of earning 250K to collect a million in the bank and that’s if you spend none of it.

I’m so sick of this shyte. These people lie so openly and no one calls them liars.

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Yes, they just shamelessly lie, defining words to whatever use they need. And they know they have a compliant media that not only doesn’t call them out on their lies, but furthers their cause by propagating their lies and morphing them into greater lies.

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 10:17 PM

A nation without borders is like a person without skin, quickly subsumed by parasites. Illegal immigration is my primary disagreement with the Libertarian Party. Perhaps in a century or two when the 3rd world has lifted themselves up and global standards of living have equalized somewhat, and assuming that the world over is governed by standards consistent with freedom and liberty at that time, then in such a Utopian world I would support unrestricted immigration, but that time is not in the foreseeable future. The Libertarian Party would presumably allow 300 million illegal Chinese immigrants move here and take over American politics. No thanks, their views on the matter may be sound in an ideal world, but that world doesn’t exist yet.

FloatingRock on December 10, 2012 at 10:18 PM

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Given my discussions with my liberal friends and colleagues, their argument goes like this:

(a) the rich have much more “disposable” income. Consumption data across all levels of income show the poor consistently spend all or nearly all of their money buying goods to support their existence – so taxing them will reduce the little purchasing power they have, and usher the death knell of our consumption pyramid.

(b) since the rich have more money left after addressing their basic needs, they can contribute more to the “overall welfare” of the society – ergo higher tax rates.

Of course, it is socialistic. But as I have been mentioning on multiple posts today, just calling a practice socialistic or even communist cannot have its desired effect (at least on the current electorate), unless we give a reasoned quantitative analysis of the superiority of the supply side theory to win over the relatively educated persuadable voters.

peter_griffin on December 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM

This nation is finished.

The Democrats have destroyed the greatest nation ever to exist.

WisCon on December 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I support unrestricted immigration of American Citizens to move from one American state to another, and when the rest of the world is more like America we can talk about adding new states.

FloatingRock on December 10, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Eh… wrong…

Of those on welfare, 33.3% are black, 31.2% are white, and 28.8% are Hispanic.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/character/fy2009/tab08.htm

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Blacks are 13% of the population but 33.3% of the Welfare recipients…
Hispanics are 15% of the population but 28.8% of the Welfare recipients…
Whites are 72% of the populations but 31.2% of the Welfare recipients…

I think your brain could not connect percent of the general population versus percent of welfare in each group…

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 10:23 PM

This nation is finished.

The Democrats have destroyed the greatest nation ever to exist.

WisCon on December 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Truth be told, Wisconsin was already a dead zone so no one will really miss it.

Bishop on December 10, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Perhaps in a century or two when the 3rd world has lifted themselves up and global standards of living have equalized somewhat
FloatingRock on December 10, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I never thought the day would come when you had a more optimistic vision of the future than I, FR….

cynccook on December 10, 2012 at 10:23 PM

This nation is finished.

The Democrats have destroyed the greatest nation ever to exist.

WisCon on December 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM

They didn’t do it alone, unfortunately, that’s why there’s no alternative, presently. We need to make one.

FloatingRock on December 10, 2012 at 10:24 PM

This nation is finished.

The Democrats have destroyed the greatest nation ever to exist.

WisCon on December 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Yeah, and they wonder why we are ticked off at them…..

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 10:24 PM

How can anyone seriously be a “conservative” anymore. Conservatism is the ideology of losers.

1. I don’t support capitalism anymore. Capitalism destroyed this nation because Capitalist believe they can sell the country out.
2. I don’t believe in democracy anymore and I don’t support spreading it. Democracy turns into rule of the moneyed and judicial classes.
3. I don’t support the military anymore. It’s the most PC organization out there and there are too many kids fighting for elites who hate them. The US military are footsoldiers for a new Trotskyism.

We don’t have a country anymore. I’m seriously going to run away to Eastern Europe one day.

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

You are a stupid communist but parasites like you are now very much tolerated on this forum….

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 10:25 PM

You are a stupid communist but parasites like you are now very much tolerated on this forum….

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Please bro, I’m a fascist not a communist.

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Of course they do. I told you all before that even the most industrious of Latino immigrants will tell you they came here for the entitlements. I’ve worked with them and I know this to be a fact.

Connie on December 10, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Given my discussions with my liberal friends and colleagues, their argument goes like this:

(a) the rich have much more “disposable” income. Consumption data across all levels of income show the poor consistently spend all or nearly all of their money buying goods to support their existence – so taxing them will reduce the little purchasing power they have, and usher the death knell of our consumption pyramid.

(b) since the rich have more money left after addressing their basic needs, they can contribute more to the “overall welfare” of the society – ergo higher tax rates.

Of course, it is socialistic. But as I have been mentioning on multiple posts today, just calling a practice socialistic or even communist cannot have its desired effect (at least on the current electorate), unless we give a reasoned quantitative analysis of the superiority of the supply side theory to win over the relatively educated persuadable voters.

peter_griffin on December 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM

The main problem with the stupid liberals and communists is that they do not understand the rich business people and business people in general, except the limousine liberal elite of Hollywood, are not making a lot of money to “purchase stuff”… They are making money and profit so they can grow their businesses… I have some discussion with dumb liberals and they also mention the same idiotic stuff “why do they need so much money because they do not need it as they have big luxury home and fancy cars etc…” Then I explain to these fools that business people are not in it business so they can purchase stuff and they do not spend their times thinking about buying a car or eating a fancy meal or vacationing, in fact those are the dreams of little people like you liberals, the business people are in business to make more profit and grow their businesses…

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 10:31 PM

peter_griffin on December 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM

It’s still inconsistent with the notion of equality or equal treatment under the law.

jawkneemusic on December 10, 2012 at 10:36 PM

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I’m from Eastern Europe, anti-capitalists are not welcome.

JPeterman on December 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Well, duh! They come from Marxist countries so what do you expect.

devan95 on December 10, 2012 at 10:39 PM

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 10:31 PM

That is a good point. My point was more fundamental though – we need to show the liberals that, when the policy supported low taxation on businesses and wealth-producers, the effect on the GDP was a net positive (weeding out statistical noise). If that data point is thrown out there frequently, then the opponents would find it harder to refute the advantages of supply side economics. I think we play into liberal hands when we argue about things like sentiments associated with wealth creation – our strength is really in numbers.

peter_griffin on December 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

I’m from Eastern Europe, anti-capitalists are not welcome.

JPeterman on December 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I only have a problem with capitalism if it allows the capitalists to betray their own people. This seems to be less of a problem in Eastern Europe.

America will die because capitalists believe people are completely interchangeable. They may be for their business, but not for a nation to stay together.

ninjapirate on December 10, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I never thought the day would come when you had a more optimistic vision of the future than I, FR….

cynccook on December 10, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I’m a natural optimist trapped in an immoral, cynical world.

FloatingRock on December 10, 2012 at 10:42 PM

90% of Latinos support illegal immigration, affirmative action, the end to capital punishment, welfare, communities segregated from blacks, Spanish as an official language, the confiscation of property owned by white Americans, food stamps, and the return of America to Mexico.
meh

pat on December 10, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I never thought the day would come when you had a more optimistic vision of the future than I, FR….

cynccook on December 10, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I think that in a century or two either freedom and liberty will win out or else there will be a technologically enforced tyranny that may never be undone. I think perhaps the same could be said about the next few years and decades.

FloatingRock on December 10, 2012 at 10:47 PM

The interesting thing about technology under a fascist government, is that it slows to a crawl. Think of fracking under Obama. They are scared of it. It was not in their mindset. And they do not have control. So he wants to destroy it. Suppress it. By any means. He will start with fear. Then he will go to taxes and suits. Then imprisonment. Watch.

pat on December 10, 2012 at 10:52 PM

The interesting thing about technology under a fascist government, is that it slows to a crawl.

pat on December 10, 2012 at 10:52 PM

But not when it comes to monitoring, security and propaganda technology.

FloatingRock on December 10, 2012 at 10:54 PM

My point was more fundamental though – we need to show the liberals that, when the policy supported low taxation on businesses and wealth-producers, the effect on the GDP was a net positive (weeding out statistical noise). If that data point is thrown out there frequently, then the opponents would find it harder to refute the advantages of supply side economics. I think we play into liberal hands when we argue about things like sentiments associated with wealth creation – our strength is really in numbers.

peter_griffin on December 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Well, if your strength is in the numbers, don’t just stand there, give us the data.

cam2 on December 10, 2012 at 11:00 PM

97% support wire cutters and tunnels as prerequisites to citizenship.

MaiDee on December 10, 2012 at 11:06 PM

You Republicans and conservatives who supported comprehensive immigration reform have given your country away to people who (mostly) see the world in terms of races competing for resources. You may not want to see the world in terms of race but most non-whites do.

You gave your country away to people whose strong desire to is take from Whitey and dispossess him!

Thresher on December 10, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Latinos suport class warfare? Who would have thunk it? After all, Central and South America are the epitome of open, capitalist societies that respect individual liberties … LOL.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 10, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Feels like we’re aboard the Titanic, complaining about the dinner service.

MT on December 10, 2012 at 11:36 PM

You Republicans and conservatives who supported comprehensive immigration reform have given your country away to people who (mostly) see the world in terms of races competing for resources.

The die was cast long before Simpson-Mazzoli by 2 things:

1. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which Democrats swore would not flood cities with immigrants, would be largely limited to about 5 million people from primarily Africa and Asia, would not upset the ethnic mix of our society, would not cause a relaxation in the standards of admission, and would not cause American workers to lose their jobs.

Nothing was done when the 1965 Act was proven to be a colossal failure inasmuch as the numbers and effects were the opposite of the projections/promises made by Democrats.

You should read what Democrats said about immigration when they were selling the bill to a very skeptical American population. Scroll down to the blue quotes, which I’ve added after Kimball’s piece:

The Surrealist States of America

2. The infamous footnote in Phyler v Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982). Justice Brennan wrote in the footnote:

“…no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful (Me: … other than the part about one being lawful and the other not.).” **eyeroll**

…Except that was BLATANTLY UNTRUE. From the minutes of the Senate debate concerning the language for the proposed 14th amendment to be sent to the states for ratification:

“Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States.”

- Senator Jacob Howard, (R-MI), THE VERY AUTHOR OF THE CITIZENSHIP CLAUSE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT, The Congressional Record published as The Congressional Globe, 30 May 1866

His colleague from Pennsylvania confirmed the understanding that merely being born on American soil did NOT make one an American citizen when he stated on the floor of the United States Senate:

“The honourable Senator from Michigan has given this subject, I have no doubt, a good deal of his attention, and I am really desirous to have a legal definition of “citizenship of the United States.” What does it mean? What is its length and breadth? I would be glad if the honourable Senator in good earnest would favour us with some such definition. Is the child of the Chinese immigrant in California a citizen? Is the child of a Gypsy born in Pennsylvania a citizen? If so, what rights have they? Have they any more rights than a sojourner in the United States? If a traveler comes here from Ethiopia, from Australia, or from Great Britain, he is entitled, to a certain extent, to the protection of the laws. You cannot murder him with impunity. It is murder to kill him, the same as it is to kill another man. You cannot commit an assault and battery on him, I apprehend. He has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptation of the word. It is perfectly clear that the mere fact that a man is born in the country has not heretofore entitled him to the right to exercise political power.

- Senator Edward Cowan, (R-PA), The Congressional Record published as The Congressional Globe, 30 May 1866

Nothing was done by the Court to rectify the disastrous effect of allowing what is, basically, dicta to change over a century of precedent on the citizenship clause and in direct contravention of the original intent of the lawmakers, who wrote the language and sent it to the states for ratification.

Resist We Much on December 10, 2012 at 11:39 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 10, 2012 at 11:30 PM

A concept like taxing the rich lowers the prosperity of the nation is not a concept that Latin Americans are going to understand unless they have been exposed to those ideas a long time.

It is possible though I heard Paul Rodriquez Tell a joke that he asked his father why he didn’t vote and he said “The Americans haven’t crewed up the place (Whites) maybe they knnow what they are doing.”

Conan on December 10, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Wait…Latinos get a vote? I thought only Americans got a vote on all things affecting Americans. If you don’t want to be a part of this great country, then take your groups – Latinos, Asians, Indians, and head right on out of here. Please let us not continue the pathetic pandering to these groups who, apparently, don’t consider themselves Americans.

MustLoveBlogs on December 10, 2012 at 11:43 PM

The “demographics” are voting for the “free stuff”. The idea that they’ll reward Republicans for immigration reform is LAUGHABLE.

Murf76 on December 11, 2012 at 12:06 AM

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