Obama and Boehner met Sunday; the “lines of communication remain open.” So, there’s that.

posted at 12:41 pm on December 10, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Breaking the pattern of presumably frosty phone calls only, President Obama and Speaker Boehner continued in their recent it’s-just-you-and-me-now, closed-off-from-the-public communications but actually met in person (and in private) at the White House on Sunday.

The president and the speaker met Sunday afternoon at the White House for the first time in weeks. It came after Boehner publicly chided Obama on Friday for the lack of progress to date, accusing the president of having “wasted another week.”

Both sides were tightlipped about the surprise Sunday afternoon meeting. But instead of emerging from the talks complaining about each other, as was the case following phone calls last week, each side released an identical statement.

“This afternoon, the President and Speaker Boehner met at the White House to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff.  We’re not reading out details of the conversation, but the lines of communication remain open,” the statement released by each office said.

And from Boehner‘s office:

Michael Steel, a spokesman for Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), would not share details “about the substance” of the conversations with the White House, but noted that House Republican leadership is waiting for Obama to “identify the spending cuts he’s willing to make as part of the ‘balanced’ approach he promised the American people.”

The Speaker’s office noted that the GOP offer to bring in $800 billion in new revenue via closing tax loopholes still stands, but didn’t mention anything about tax-rate hikes. With the state of the “negotiations” we’ve seen so far, I’m rather inclined to think that maybe they’ve just decided to arm-wrestle over the whole thing, but perhaps Boehner’s trying to convince Obama that going in for some serious entitlement reform and spending cuts would behoove him and the Democrats as well, via the Weekly Standard:

A new poll conducted by Politico/GWU/Battleground finds that 76 percent of Americans favor “Cutting government spending across the board.”

Fifty-nine percent of Americans registered to vote strongly favor the “across the board” cuts and 17 percent “somewhat” favor the cuts. Only 13 percent strongly oppose “across the board” spending cuts, and 10 percent “somewhat” oppose the cuts. Two percent are unsure.

Sixty-five percent of Americans registered to vote are in favor of greater taxes on corporations, while 33 percent are against them. And only 29 percent favor taxing “small businesses that earn more than $250,000, while 69 percent are against these sorts of taxes.

But, as Jenn Rubin points out, the poll isn’t really saying anything new, and more than anything explains why President Obama is so eager to not address entitlements — doing so would acknowledge that we have a direly serious budget problem that his proposed solution won’t come anywhere close to fixing.

In other words, the American people want cake and ice cream for dinner  –  and a unicorn. They want contradictory things. They imagine the only taxes that need go up to sustain the entitlement programs as currently constituted are those of mega-millionaires. They don’t perceive the trade-offs between unrestrained entitlement spending and pressure to cut other spending (e.g., education). They apparently don’t understand that many small businesses pay taxes under the personal income tax code, making them “the rich.”

… It is that [politicians] do not want, as President Obama keeps instructing, to do the math. If they did, they’d have to concede, for example, that raising taxes on the rich raises a pittance compared to our $16 trillion debt. In particular — and this is critical in assessing the president’s moral obligation — Obama has not prepared the American people for the fiscal changes that are needed. He’d rather score political points than be honest with voters. He’s got the biggest megaphone and if he doesn’t level with voters, they aren’t going to get it. (So he doesn’t. And they don’t.)

Update: It seems that the involved parties are hyper-determined to keep quiet whatever options Boehner and Obama might be discussing:

The White House wouldn’t offer any new details Monday on the weekend meeting between President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner, as press secretary Jay Carney defended keeping the content of the talks private.

“I can confirm that there was a meeting and that lines of communication remain open, but I cannot characterize the talks, the conversations beyond that,” Carney said during a gaggle aboard Air Force One en route to a Michigan event where Obama will make his case for his approach to the fiscal cliff, and herald the creation of new jobs in the auto industry. …

“Our interest is in seeing if we can reach an agreement, and not trying to negotiate an agreement through the media,” he said.


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Will someone please primary Boehner ..
and in the mean time … will the GOP strip him of his speakership
and get a LEADER in there …

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Obama and Boehner met Sunday; the “lines of communication remain open.” So, there’s that.

And, the scheduling of TEE TIMES! Don’t forget that!

ToddPA on December 10, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Here’s a focus point for Obama and his bringers.

Schadenfreude on December 10, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Gd the Rs. They are the biggest fools.

Schadenfreude on December 10, 2012 at 12:45 PM

It came after Boehner publicly chided Obama on Friday for the lack of progress to date, accusing the president of having “wasted another week.”

But instead of emerging from the talks complaining about each other, as was the case following phone calls last week, each side released an identical statement.

“This afternoon, the President and Speaker Boehner met at the White House to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. We’re not reading out details of the conversation, but the lines of communication remain open,” the statement released by each office said.

Our politicians are stupid. No ‘stupid’ is not strong enough.

God help us all.

faraway on December 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Peter Schiff: Majority Doesn’t “Have A Right To Steal My Money Just Because They Voted For It”
http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/12/10/peter_schiff_majority_doesnt_have_a_right_to_steal_my_money_just_because_they_voted_for_it.html

SCHIFF: You know what the wealthy are going to do? They’re going to invest more abroad, they’re not going to work as hard, they’re not going to pay as much in taxes, they’re not going to employ as many people. Their employees are going to pay all the taxes.

Speaking of which:

Google Revenues Sheltered in No-Tax Bermuda Soar to $10 Billion
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion.html

Google Inc. (GOOG) avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in 2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell company, almost double the total from three years before, filings show.

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM

The Speaker’s office noted that the GOP offer to bring in $800 billion in new revenue via closing tax loopholes still stands,

Yeah … that’s the same despicable “deal” that the Weeping Boner tried to make with the Indonesian last year … before Barky turned around and demanded an extra $400 billion. It was a stupid proposal back then and it’s an even dumber one right now. NO REVENUES! Period.

But, Barky got in front of himself this time, upping his demand by $800 billion more (to $1.6 trillion) and yet the Weeping Boner – Idiot of the House – still stands with his old proposal that ended up getting us the Sequester that the Weeping Boner is now scared to implement.

I hate the Weeping Boner. Hate him! He needs to go NOW!! I wouldn’t let him negotiate for the price of a cup of coffee for me. He’s a loser who gets rolled by a mathematical illiterate with the English skills of a foreign high schooler. WTFF?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 10, 2012 at 12:47 PM

gop cave in 5…4….3…
*sigh*

cmsinaz on December 10, 2012 at 12:47 PM

What’s to stop the oppressives from taking more from whom they deem as to have arbitrary not paid their fair share?

If they can arbitrarily decide that one segment of the population can be ripped off in the name of wealth redistribution, what’s to stop them from expanding that theft?

It started out as reaming the top 1%, now it the top 2%, soon it’ll be the top 10% then top 20%.

Do people realize that if they acquiesce to theft from one minority segment of the population, that they are acquiescing to theft from other segments of the population?

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Will someone please primary Boehner ..
conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 12:44 PM

The Tea Party tried, but, unfortunately for us, they ran a drooling imbecile against him.

PS: Who’s the woman in the picture above?

Mr. Arrogant on December 10, 2012 at 12:48 PM

In other words, the American people want cake and ice cream for dinner – and a unicorn. They want contradictory things. They imagine the only taxes that need go up to sustain the entitlement programs as currently constituted are those of mega-millionaires. They don’t perceive the trade-offs between unrestrained entitlement spending and pressure to cut other spending (e.g., education). They apparently don’t understand that many small businesses pay taxes under the personal income tax code, making them “the rich.”

In other other words, most Americans are simply looking for their next fix, and couldn’t give a damn about what comes afterward.

Heroin, crack, and cabbage used to be the most addictive substances on the planet. We’re now discovering that government creation of entitlements is the most addictive thing of all.

We need an intervention. And for economies that are out of control, it comes in the form of a depression.

BobMbx on December 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Gd the Rs. They are the biggest fools.

Schadenfreude on December 10, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Gd the electorate. The ultimate fools.

bazil9 on December 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Is Boehner so insulated from reality that he thinks his one-on-ones with Obama are going to result in anything positive for this country? Obama’s just going to wine and dine the fool, and then in the end tan-boy will get suckered into accepting Geithner’s insane proposals to avoid bad press.

smfic on December 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Will someone please primary Boehner ..
and in the mean time … will the GOP strip him of his speakership
and get a LEADER in there …

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 12:44 PM

He got re-elected in his safe-R district with 99% of the vote. Chances of that happening are as likely as finding Algore and Michael Moore at Weight Watchers.

Myron Falwell on December 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Remind me again why these talks are private. This is OUR money and OUR lives they’re messing with, right?

conservativescientist on December 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM

That’s great now all the nation needs is a President who’s a grown up.

Speakup on December 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM

gop cave in 5…4….3…
*sigh*

cmsinaz on December 10, 2012 at 12:47 PM

You and I are assuming they haven’t caved already.

Myron Falwell on December 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Beck asked if boehner had to wear a name tag, he hasn’t seen bho for such a long time? With those two getting together, BOHICA time again for the taxpayers!
L

letget on December 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Michael Steel, a spokesman for Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), would not share details “about the substance” of the conversations with the White House, but noted that House Republican leadership is waiting for Obama to “identify the spending cuts he’s willing to make as part of the ‘balanced’ approach he promised the American people.

Let’s see: Defense, military, the guys who fight our wars.

Yep, that just about covers the spending that Obama is willing to cut.

Bitter Clinger on December 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Boehner likes rubbing elbows with the President, it’s what else they rub that is in question.

tim c on December 10, 2012 at 12:53 PM

RINOS love caves.

profitsbeard on December 10, 2012 at 12:53 PM

They’re playing Chicken. Except their both chickens.

portlandon on December 10, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Meanwhile
my Pop just termed
another employee today in the family small
business to keep making over head.

Keep on fiddling and attacking Barakcula
and crying bone head.

bazil9 on December 10, 2012 at 12:54 PM

their they’re

portlandon on December 10, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Congress is supposed to adjourn for the holidays on Friday. The rat-eared wonder, Mooch, and the brats are supposed to head to their $4M taxpayer-paid vacation on Sunday.

Why am I more than a little cynical that there will be progress before any of that happens?

Happy Nomad on December 10, 2012 at 12:55 PM

House Republican leadership is waiting for Obama to “identify the spending cuts he’s willing to make as part of the ‘balanced’ approach he promised the American people.”

I’ll gladly cut entitlement spending on Tuesday, for a debt limit increase and higher tax rates today!

BobMbx on December 10, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Good grief, get it over with, if we’re going to get screwed, and we are, it shouldn’t be boring.

Cindy Munford on December 10, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Myron Falwell on December 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM

good point

cmsinaz on December 10, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Remind me again why these talks are private. This is OUR money and OUR lives they’re messing with, right?

conservativescientist on December 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM

bazil9 on December 10, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Remind me again why these talks are private. This is OUR money and OUR lives they’re messing with, right?

conservativescientist on December 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Remember the Second Estate in France back in the mid-1700s? Yeah, something just like that.

And the remedy may be the exact same remedy that France went through in 1791. Hopefully minus Maximilien de Robespierre and the beheading of all dissidents…

Myron Falwell on December 10, 2012 at 12:59 PM

“Our interest is in seeing if we can reach an agreement, and not trying to negotiate an agreement through the media,” he said.

Says the spokesidiot for the rat-eared wonder enroute to Detroit to tout his version of reality in the media and his mythological accomplishment of saving the UAW (the epitome of societal parasites) benefits by sticking the American taxpayer with billions of bad debt.

Happy Nomad on December 10, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Obama and gang realized that he was being viewed as the obstacle. Now that the MSM has its cover, he can do nothing, as he always intended. He sees this as an opportunity to destroy the GOP and the military in one stroke.

pat on December 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM

They [the public] imagine the only taxes that need go up to sustain the entitlement programs as currently constituted are those of mega-millionaires.

This view is driving so much of this debate. Until the public is shown that this is wrong the Republicans can’t succeed.

Give the idiots their tax increases. Then when we have another $1 trillion deficit the Republicans can say, “See it’s not the lack of taxes that’s the problem.”

Unless someone has a better solution?

SteveMG on December 10, 2012 at 1:02 PM

And the remedy may be the exact same remedy that France went through in 1791. Hopefully minus Maximilien de Robespierre and the beheading of all dissidents…

Myron Falwell on December 10, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Hopefully. But the only problem here is that the rat-eared wonder and those of his ilk think they are representatives of the common man stealing and looting from their enemies and rewarding the parasites that support their cause. The cause in 2012 being, of course, more free stuff. After all, do we really want to live in a society where some slut at Georgetown law really has to pay for her own birth control or ignorant have to survive without Obamaphones and food stamps?

Happy Nomad on December 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM

I twist the truth, I rule the world, my crown is called deceit
I am the Emperor of Lies, yet still you grovel at my feet.
I rob you and I slaughter you, your downfall is my gain
And still you play the sycophant while you revel in your pain.
All my promises are mortal lies, all my love is earthly hate
I am the supreme politician — and I decide your fate
.

FlatFoot on December 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Obama wanted revenge for the McCain/Susan Rice private meeting. He got it.

faraway on December 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Google Revenues Sheltered in No-Tax Bermuda Soar to $10 Billion
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion.html

Google Inc. (GOOG) avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in 2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell company, almost double the total from three years before, filings show.

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM

That’s okay because the value that the evil Google delivers to the proggie movement by biasing their websites far exceeds the damage done by evading taxes.

slickwillie2001 on December 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Greedy politicians lie so much you don’t know what to believe anymore.

Best to believe NOTHING THEY SAY. Only what they do.

And look at their track record.

PappyD61 on December 10, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Good grief, get it over with, if we’re going to get screwed, and we are, it shouldn’t be boring.

Cindy Munford on December 10, 2012 at 12:56 PM

But this is how Boehner always plays it. The empty and agonizing jawboning leading to a backslapping grand compromise which is shortly revealed to be a total cave-in.

This entire party need to be trashed. The GOP as presently constituted is worse for America than no organized opposition party at all.

rrpjr on December 10, 2012 at 1:06 PM

So the Republicans should say that Obama wants taxes, which will take care of 8 days of his administrations spending. What is he going to do about the other 357 days? If he does nothing about the other 357 days, the country is screwed. If he does nothing about the other 357 days, he’s going to have an administration that, every 6 months is raising the debt ceiling and preparing for yet another fiscal cliff. If he does nothing about the other 357 days, the MSM is going to be working overtime to blame all the problems that ensure, on the Republicans.

bflat879 on December 10, 2012 at 1:06 PM

I getting lost with all of the various machinations of whether or not to go over the cliff. If we go over the cliff then higher taxes, defense cuts and a less deficit. If we make a deal, lower taxes fewer defense cuts, and a bigger deficit.

While there is a third way; we had too many people, who spent to much time complaining about Romney, and ultimately didn’t vote for him. I’m mad at the Dem’s, but a hell of a lot madder at those who didn’t vote for Romney. You are the ones who should pay the higher taxes.

Tater Salad on December 10, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Today’s Secret Word is: (CAPITULATION!)

Pork-Chop on December 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Today’s Secret Word is: (CAPITULATION!)

Pork-Chop on December 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Capitulation happened on November 6th when we didn’t get our voters to the polls.

Tater Salad on December 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Harry Reid doesn’t produce a budget in over four years, Obama has lorded over 6 trillion worth of debt and we destroy Boehner for not stopping it? Somebody make a decent proposal for us to discuss.

DanMan on December 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I would be much more confident if Ryan were negotiating with his excellency, BHO! As several have noted, the GOP is in dire need of a purge in their leadership.

tomshup on December 10, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Harry Reid doesn’t produce a budget in over four years, Obama has lorded over 6 trillion worth of debt and we destroy Boehner for not stopping it? Somebody make a decent proposal for us to discuss.

DanMan on December 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Exactly! – I’m not a Boehner fan, but for all of the cat-calls I’ve yet to see a better possible solution that has a chance of passing. Redirect your anger to Obama, Reid and the voters who reelected this buffoon.

Tater Salad on December 10, 2012 at 1:16 PM

This isn’t negotiating. This is Boehner taking slow steps into capitulation so as to lessen the impact. It’s simply a matter of time. Everything’s already worked out.

Dongemaharu on December 10, 2012 at 1:22 PM

The “kick the can” deal is in the works…

PatriotRider on December 10, 2012 at 1:23 PM

rrpjr on December 10, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Not that it makes much difference but I wish there was a way to let them know that we are on to them. Both parties are secure that their voters have no place else to go. And only one side’s voters are willing to show them that it isn’t true.

Cindy Munford on December 10, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Will someone please primary Boehner ..
and in the mean time … will the GOP strip him of his speakership
and get a LEADER in there …

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 12:44 PM

…if he doesn’t get all his people to vote Present…and gives in to anything else…that HAS TO HAPPEN!

KOOLAID2 on December 10, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Harry Reid doesn’t produce a budget in over four years, Obama has lorded over 6 trillion worth of debt and we destroy Boehner for not stopping it? Somebody make a decent proposal for us to discuss.

DanMan on December 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Well… just off the top of my head… without any high priced researched people looking for things:

Here’s just 10 of the 20 listed…
#1 A total of $3 million has been granted to researchers at the University of California at Irvine so that they can play video games such as World of Warcraft. The goal of this “video game research” is reportedly to study how “emerging forms of communication, including multiplayer computer games and online virtual worlds such as World of Warcraft and Second Life can help organizations collaborate and compete more effectively in the global marketplace.”

#2 The U.S. Department of Agriculture gave the University of New Hampshire $700,000 this year to study methane gas emissions from dairy cows.

#3 $615,000 was given to the University of California at Santa Cruz to digitize photos, T-shirts and concert tickets belonging to the Grateful Dead.

#4 A professor at Stanford University received $239,100 to study how Americans use the Internet to find love. So far one of the key findings of this “research” is that the Internet is a safer and more discreet way to find same-sex partners.

#5 The National Science Foundation spent $216,000 to study whether or not politicians “gain or lose support by taking ambiguous positions.”

#6 The National Institutes of Health spent approximately $442,340 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam.

#7 Approximately $1 million of U.S. taxpayer money was used to create poetry for the Little Rock, New Orleans, Milwaukee and Chicago zoos. The goal of the “poetry” is to help raise awareness on environmental issues.

#8 The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs spent $175 million during 2010 to maintain hundreds of buildings that it does not even use. This includes a pink, octagonal monkey house in the city of Dayton, Ohio.

#9 $1.8 million of U.S. taxpayer dollars went for a “museum of neon signs” in Las Vegas, Nevada.

#10 $35 million was reportedly paid out by Medicare to 118 “phantom” medical clinics that never even existed. Apparently these “phantom” medical clinics were established by a network of criminal gangs as a way to defraud the U.S. government.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/government-waste-20-of-the-craziest-things-that-the-u-s-government-is-spending-money-on

All just drops in the bucket, I know. But why not highlight them? And don’t we know there are so many more?

How about talking about 4 million dollar vacations? How about talking about $100. lb steaks at the WH?
Why is our President eating $100. lb steaks while all of us are expected to go with less? While school children are suppose to cut down in meats in their lunches?

All little drops in the bucket.. I know. But what kind of waste does the GOP know of and yet say nothing about? What kind of waste could be eliminated from the government without touching most entitlements?

Here’s a link to a list from CBS. Just one item on the list:

$30 million to help Pakistani Mango farmers: This was part of a four-year, $90 million effort to boost hiring and sales among Pakistani businesses funded through the U.S. Agency for International Development.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505144_162-57345686/10-most-outrageous-ways-government-wastes-your-money/

Have you heard Boehner say much about government waste? I haven’t.
He talks about cuts in entitlements. Is 30 million to Pakistani farmers going to affect medicare?

Why is this so freaking hard?

You know.. if the GOP had a little bit of passion and creativity they might actually move the spotlight towards the hypocrisy of the Democrats! It might actually provoke a thought in low information voters.

Heck.. who am I? I just Binged “government waste.” It didn’t take long to find two lists. Can’t the GOP.. with all their resources come up with even better lists of government waste?

JellyToast on December 10, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Remind me again why these talks are private. This is OUR money and OUR lives they’re messing with, right?

conservativescientist on December 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM

So Boehner can grovel and then ultimately cave to Obama sparing him the humiliation of the whole country seeing what a wimp he really is.

KickandSwimMom on December 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM

My take.

kingsjester on December 10, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Do people realize that if they acquiesce to theft from one minority segment of the population, that they are acquiescing to theft from other segments of the population?

Galt2009 on December 10, 2012 at 12:47 PM

first they came for the ultra top 1% and I said nothing because I was the top 1 %

then they came for the top 10 and I said nothing because I was not the top 10

the the top 50 percent … and I said nothing because I was not the top 50

finally they came for me … and there was no one left to say “stay!”

paraphased from the poem “the hangman” by Maurice Ogden

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Harry Reid doesn’t produce a budget in over four years, Obama has lorded over 6 trillion worth of debt and we destroy Boehner for not stopping it? Somebody make a decent proposal for us to discuss.

DanMan on December 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM

The House controls the purse strings and the budget. The Weeping Boner’s JOB was to not appropriate any more money until the Senate passed a budget and it was reconciled and put into effect. The Weeping Boner was not put into power to pass CR after CR and raise the debt limit time and again – all without getting anything in return, like the full repeal of ObamaScare which is what the 2010 elections were all about.

Sad to say, but the GOP has controlled the House for the last two years and they have been the ones to okay the insane, budgetless spending. If the left won’t do their Constitutional duty, at the least, then let the feral government shut down. THAT is what should have happened and what should happen in future “negotiations”. The House is the originator of all spending.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

conservativescientist on December 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Someone wrote that the negotiations should be on C-Span, and they are 100% dead on the money.

Cindy Munford on December 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Remind me again why these talks are private. This is OUR money and OUR lives they’re messing with, right?

conservativescientist on December 10, 2012 at 12:51PM

So Boehner can grovel and then ultimately cave to Obama sparing him the humiliation of the whole country seeing what a wimp he really is.

KickandSwimMom on December 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM

So the world can’t see that little Bammie has zero leadership ability. He’s a teleprompter savant. Some savants can count spilled toothpicks, some are perpetual calendars and idiots otherwise. Bammie’s skill is reading a teleprompter.

slickwillie2001 on December 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Bammie’s skill is reading a teleprompter.

slickwillie2001 on December 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Actually, the Indonesian’s not even very good at that simple task:

Oh’-ree-ahn!”

Corpse-man

Barky is a uniquely untalented and inept individual.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 10, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Someone wrote that the negotiations should be on C-Span, and they are 100% dead on the money.

Cindy Munford on December 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

yup … we were not promised that the healthcare “debate” would be on C-span?
you saw how that worked out right?

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Republicans should just stop negotiating and pass two separate bills. One bill is to extend the Bush tax cuts to people making up to $ 200,000 (single) and $ 250,000 (married)… This bill will be signed by Obama… The second bill is to also extend the Bush tax cuts for people making above $ 200,000 (single) and $ 250,000 (married), this bill may not pass the Senate but even if it does Obama will veto it…

mnjg on December 10, 2012 at 1:54 PM

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 1:45 PM

I put most political promises in the bull sh!t column immediately.

Cindy Munford on December 10, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Boehner will forever be Wil E Coyote to Obummer’s Road Runner.

bloviator on December 10, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Give the idiots their tax increases. Then when we have another $1 trillion deficit the Republicans can say, “See it’s not the lack of taxes that’s the problem.”

Unless someone has a better solution?

SteveMG on December 10, 2012 at 1:02 PM

I will go with you there … but not a dime more on the Debt ceiling ….

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I put most political promises in the bull sh!t column immediately.

Cindy Munford on December 10, 2012 at 1:55 PM

that is because you are a very smart lady …:D

how can you tell a elected official is lying ? their lips are moving

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 2:10 PM

I dont even have to read the post to know Boehner isnt going to anything Im happy with. At this point theres nothing he could do to make me want to keep him. He and obama make me ill and I cleaned 6 stalls i couldnt move more manure in my lifetime to compare to the load of horse crap in washington

ldbgcoleman on December 10, 2012 at 2:28 PM

tax loopholes

In other words, the last negotiation results.

Axe on December 10, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Greedy politicians lie so much you don’t know what to believe anymore.

Best to believe NOTHING THEY SAY. Only what they do.

And look at their track record.

PappyD61 on December 10, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Yep.

And seeing as they are meeting behind our backs and both sides are refusing to say what they are discussing or planning to do, leads me to believe that no one on either side would be happy to hear what it is.

Lily on December 10, 2012 at 2:40 PM

conservative tarheel on December 10, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Good luck with that! We are going to go directly from horrific fiscal cliff, to irresponsible, Republican induced default. Most of the population doesn’t know what that means, especially since we hold 75% of our own debt, but it sounds scary and just like something those evil Republicans would do.

Cindy Munford on December 10, 2012 at 2:56 PM

They’re meeting in secret for a reason, and that reason is invariably because they’re going to shaft somebody or everybody.

OCare was the best example of this in our history.

CorporatePiggy on December 10, 2012 at 3:07 PM

JellyToast on December 10, 2012 at 1:29 PM

can’t argue with reducing waste, which I believe Simpson-Bowles identified $1.2 trillion/year of in waste, duplication, fraud.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Yep. That was my first thought after the election. LiB. But the house did win and something tells me if they would go rogue and do what their constituents sent them there for things would improve. I guess this brings us back to Boehner after all since he started out negotiating with himself and has gone silent since.

I don’t even think the issue of public relations should be considered since those framing the meme are not on the same side of America we believe in.

DanMan on December 10, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Sad to say, but the GOP has controlled the House for the last two years and they have been the ones to okay the insane, budgetless spending. If the left won’t do their Constitutional duty, at the least, then let the feral government shut down. THAT is what should have happened and what should happen in future “negotiations”. The House is the originator of all spending.

yup.. this is exactly it. And the president has nothing to do with spending under the constitution. So why is there any negotiation with him at all?

I say they pass a budget, send it to the Senate, let Reid sit on it and not pass it and when the bills come due, well, there ain’t no money to pay so sorry American people, the Democrats have been playing politics with your money for 4 years and we’re not covering for them anymore.

theblackcommenter on December 10, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Sixty-five percent of Americans registered to vote are in favor of greater taxes on corporations, while 33 percent are against them.

That’s because 65% of Americans don’t understand economics and don’t understand that taxing business simply benefits the huge cash-rich companies over smaller ones.

For example, a large company making a lot of cash would be able to absorb the tax cuts and keep prices the same while a smaller competitor on a tighter margin would have the pass the taxes along to the customer making them less competitive. This would tend to favor Google over Yahoo in the search engine market, or Google over Microsoft in the mobile devices market.

In tight margin markets where there isn’t a major dominating player with a lot of cash, the entire tax increase will simply be pushed out to customers.

Here’s a better idea:

1. Eliminate the tax exempt status of labor unions and eliminate the tax breaks for Hollywood.

crosspatch on December 10, 2012 at 3:54 PM

” would be able to absorb the tax cuts”

I meant, of course, tax increases.

crosspatch on December 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM