Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on December 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

CHRIS WALLACE: Let me just ask one question about what we will now henceforth call the Kristol scenario: Which is that they’ll end up passing the halfway cave, a limited cave on tax rates. That doesn’t avoid the fiscal cliff, does it?

BILL KRISTOL: It avoids the tax side of the fiscal cliff. There’s still a spending problem. Most of those cuts in spending are fine with me, except for defense. But there, the president seems to have no interest in us having a strong defense, and so again, I guess we can litigate that next year. There will be plenty of other opportunities to debate all these spending, defense and entitlement issues next year. My view is get the tax issue off the table, it’s the weakest one for the Republicans right now. Let the president own it and we’ll have a bunch of other debates next year.

***

Republican Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) told me Sunday on ABC News’ “This Week” that he is willing to accept tax rate increases as a component of a fiscal cliff deal, as long as Democrats put “significant entitlement reform” on the table.

“What we ought to be working on is the other 93 percent, because even if you do what [Obama] wants to do on tax rates, you only affect 7 percent of the deficit,” Coburn said. “What we have done is spend ourselves into a hole, and we’re not going to raise taxes and borrow money and get out of it.”

“And so will I accept a tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? Yes,” he said.

***

“A lot of people are putting forth a theory – and I actually think it has merit – where you go and you give the president the 2 percent increase that he’s talking about, the rate increase on the top 2 percent – and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements,” Corker said. “And all of a sudden, once you give him a top rate on the 2 percent it’s actually a much lesser tax increase than what he’s been talking about.

“I actually am beginning to believe that is the best route for us to take,” Corker said, “to again shift the focus to where it needs to be, which is entitlements.”

Via Gateway Pundit.

***

Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) said Sunday that House Republicans should agree to extending tax cuts for the majority of U.S. taxpayers

The Oklahoma Republican said this would swing leverage over to Republicans in their negotiations with the White House to avoid going over the “fiscal cliff” — a set of massive tax increases and budget cuts that will go into effect early next year unless Congress acts.

“It’s quite the opposite. We gain leverage,” Cole said…

“We are not getting 100 percent of what we want, but we can get a lot. John Boehner is trying to focus us where it belongs, and that’s on spending restraint and entitlement reform because this revenue won’t come close to dealing with our fiscal problems,” Cole said.

***

On Sunday’s Face The Nation, former Senator Alan Simpson told host Bob Schieffer that he’ll cover happy hour for wealthy Americans who don’t believe their taxes will increase: “If anybody out there who is quote ‘rich’ doesn’t think taxes’ll go up, the drinks are on me.”…

Schieffer pressed him, asking if he thought Democrats would have to agree to some entitlement reforms, as well. Simpson answered affirmatively, calling entitlements “the engine on the train driving us to the cliff.”


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Death…

Electrongod on December 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

give Obama what he wants and he will want more, stupid party.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Pretty sure the Republicans have already promised to cave. Is that not a blink?

astonerii on December 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants on immigration reform, we can get the issue off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Clink..

Drink em if you got em…

Electrongod on December 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants on the environment reform, we can get the issue off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants on education, we can get the issue off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants on defense, we can get the issue off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants on Treaties, we can get the issues off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Until we hit the public over the head with the tax code to show them that we can’t tax the rich out of this debt Obama will always win.

Get the darned tax issue off the table. Give in now.

Then we move on to the spending issue.

This isn’t caving in, this is changing the discussion to the real problem.

SteveMG on December 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants with health care, we can get the issue off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants with judges, we can get the issue off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants on the debt limit, we can get the issue off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Eat S*** and die.

Fuquay Steve on December 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants on Israel, we can get the issue off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants on ruling forever, we can get the issue off the table.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Coburn, Corker, & Cole. Stuck on stupid.

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Well done, Comrade, well done.

JPeterman on December 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants……………………………….

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Being played for fools. Somethings never change.

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) said Sunday that House Republicans should agree to extending tax cuts for the majority of U.S. taxpayers…

The Oklahoma Republican said this would swing leverage over to Republicans in their negotiations with the White House to avoid going over the “fiscal cliff” — a set of massive tax increases and budget cuts that will go into effect early next year unless Congress acts.

“It’s quite the opposite. We gain leverage,” Cole said…

“We are not getting 100 percent of what we want, but we can get a lot. John Boehner is trying to focus us where it belongs, and that’s on spending restraint and entitlement reform because this revenue won’t come close to dealing with our fiscal problems,” Cole said.

What leverage? This isn’t the same argument that ceding the issue will finally expose the real problem, spending. This is an underpants gnome thing. How does capitulation create leverage?

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

roffling on rob verdi.

tom daschle concerned on December 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Exactly.

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

But there, the president seems to have no interest in us having a strong defense, and so again, I guess we can litigate that next year

All part of the plan, Billy and no we won’t litigate crap next year.

JPeterman on December 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Death…

Electrongod on December 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

LOL — That’s the most upbeat Bishop I’ve ever seen. :)

Ah. Optimists.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:13 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants……………………………….

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Like a spoiled and petulant King, he will just want more.

JPeterman on December 9, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Death…

Electrongod on December 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Tweeked. ; )

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

give Obama what he wants and he will want more, stupid party.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Yup. Remember last time when Boehner agreed to 800 billion and Obama came back and asked for 400 billion more? You can google it and it’ll autocomplete the 800 billion for you. And the results are harsh. That it will destroy the economy because guess what? The top 1% pay 40% of all takes and the top 10% pay 70% of all taxes. They’ll pass on these increases to everyone else.

Anyhow, Obama will do what he always does. He’ll ask for more as usual. There are examples and examples of this. I’ve said it before. Obama is high maintenance. He will destroy everything so he can blame someone. This is what high maintenance people do. Obama is so used to protesting and arguing against those in power than he’s never been in a position where he’s ever had to succeed. And in the White House, he doesn’t have to. He can just borrow until his term is over and never give an inch.

That’s not an intentional game plan. It’s what high maintenance people do. And the more people agree with him (like win elections for example), the less Obama knows what he’s doing.

MrX on December 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

The minute the Republicans give him the tax increase than the vilifying about the debt limit increase will start. Than we won’t be talking financial cliff, we will be talking default. Since the US Treasury owns 75 of our debt, do we default to ourselves? Anyway, the conversation just never seems to make it to overspending or entitlements and never will.

Cindy Munford on December 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Cuts first, and permanent.

Everybody knows they won’t be actual cuts anyway, they’ll just be smaller increases. Dems go nuts just for a budget freeze. Which should be the minimum.

Speakup on December 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

All part of the plan, Billy and no we won’t litigate crap next year.

JPeterman on December 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

“Keeping chemical weapons out of the hands of those who wish to harm us* ” — i.e., Syria — is next year’s agenda, I think.

Plus, they are going to start using Christians in the arena. *fingers crossed*

* “those who wish to harm us” should not be confused with “terrorists” — an icky, Bush-era racist anachronism.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Too bad Tip” O’Neill not around to insure this goes down correctly.

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

‘s

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Too bad Tip” O’Neill not around to insure this goes down correctly.

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

‘s

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Too bad Tip O’Neill not around to insure this goes down’s correctly.

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

FIFY. :)

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

As a kid I remember reading about the various writers in the Soviet Union who regardless of the consequences insisted on writing their dissenting articles exposing the rampant corruption violence and often acts of outright murders committed by various Soviet government officials. I have no aspirations or expectations of ever achieving that level of courage. What they did was courage personified, I recognize that I am a small and insignificant individual in the great scheme of things, but I do what I can.

SWalker on December 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Zechariah 4:10

New Living Translation (NLT)

“Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin, to see the plumb line in Zerubbabel’s SWalker’s hand.”

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

The GOP is just so worthless.

Even using the word “entitlements.” Half the country is so dumbed down they don’t even know what that means.

Boehner and the President haven’t even sat down yet? Why? Because Obama was on a 6 million dollar vacation and then thew threw a big Christmas party we probably all paid for. Was anyone here invited?

It is so frustrating to watch. Half the commenters on this blog could do a better job of communicating the message than these Republican leaders do. Half the people on any given sidewalk can understand you can’t continue to spend what you don’t have! And if you are spending too much.. it’s not the credit card companies fault! When you’re ind debt and facing bankruptcy.. the answer isn’t to call up the bank and get more credit!

None of this is that freaking hard to understand!

You’ve got a freaking President living like Marie Antoinette while the nation is suppose to be heading towards a fiscal cliff and the GOP can’t seem to understand how that might be relevant to the American people.

The simplest and most obvious continually escapes the GOP.

Seriously… either they are freaking incompetent or they are actively working for the other side. At some point the question arises. Who the heck are these people working for? What are their objectives? What are their principles? Do they hold the constitution sacred in anyway? Do they understand the need to educated and sell a message?

Every company sells their product! If you’ve got a product worth selling it does no good if you don’t advertise! You’ve got to get the message out! Why do they just sit there and do nothing?

Honestly… government workers! Some of them must long to be in the minority! You still get a nice paycheck and nobody expects you to accomplish a blasted thing!

JellyToast on December 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

“Keeping chemical weapons out of the hands of those who wish to harm us* ” — i.e., Syria — is next year’s agenda, I think.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

You mean those chemical weapons that more than likely have Saddam Hussein’s name all over them?

JPeterman on December 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

And this my friends is how “progressivism” works.

Push and push, bit by bit, slander by slander, lie by lie, piece by piece, inch by inch, intimidate and malign your opponent until they give in to your demands.

Then you have nothing left but the infrastructure of an entirely different society.

Thank you castrated republicans.

katy on December 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Plus, they are going to start using Christians in the arena. *fingers crossed*

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/syrian-christians-fleeing-as-homes-destroyed/

They will start using us instead of bunnies.

And a lot of Americans will cheer.

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:30 PM

rob verdi on December 9, 2012

…oh you aren’t done by a longshot…don’t stop now dammit!

KOOLAID2 on December 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Honestly… government workers! Some of them must long to be in the minority! You still get a nice paycheck and nobody expects you to accomplish a blasted thing!

JellyToast on December 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

http://conservativebyte.com/2012/12/unbalanced-approach-government-workers-work-less-and-earn-more/

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:33 PM

coburns mouth is open just wide enough to insert a large banana, or something.

renalin on December 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Thank you Axe.

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Thank you castrated republicans.

katy on December 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Don’t just blame the republican’s, blame the morons who decided to the King 4 more years and idiot tru-cons who decided to stay home because Romney wasn’t conservative enough. Romney was no hero, but was still better than this out of control Commie in the White House.

JPeterman on December 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Thanks for the chuckles comrades.

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Tom Coburn……….Pole Dancing republican.

Did the media put any 20s in your thong today Senator?

……..these people are selling their country down the river and they expect respect?

Most of um ain’t worth a bucket ah pig slop.

PappyD61 on December 9, 2012 at 8:37 PM

inch by inch,

katy on December 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJBhzMWJCc

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:38 PM

You mean those chemical weapons that more than likely have Saddam Hussein’s name all over them?

JPeterman on December 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

They will start using us instead of bunnies.

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:30 PM

It was nice to see Dyer bring up that crazy talk today. :) I thought we weren’t allowed.

And a lot of Americans will cheer.

People skip that bit too much. The good guys getting slammed results in some serious cheering.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Thank you Axe.

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I try to use my powers only for good. :)

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:40 PM

if the gop was serious……..they would embrace the Pappy Plan.

1. Seal the border.

2. 10% across the board spending cuts.

Simple, fair, “shared sacrifice”

But the gop isn’t serious because they are NOTHING MORE THAN SOFT Democrat Progressives…

………….they are…. THE OTHER DEMOCRAT PARTY!!

We’re going to get higher taxes, more spending, and another recession.

PappyD61 on December 9, 2012 at 8:43 PM

PappyD61 on December 9, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Cut, Cap and Balance and then just let the leaches fight over a limited pie.

astonerii on December 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM

If anyone is actually asking Billy Kristol for serious advice the Mayans are probably right.

viking01 on December 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM

This is an underpants gnome thing. How does capitulation create leverage?

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Indeed, the solution matrix looks like this;

1. Define problem
2. Capitulate
3.??
4. Leverage!

Clearly, knuckle-draggin’ bitter clingers, such as ourselves, do not have the intellect to see how this works. Only our ruling-class betters can save us!

massrighty on December 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

People skip that bit too much. The good guys getting slammed results in some serious cheering.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

The preferred Islamic method of infidel slaughter is beheading. Nut, you know, whatever’s handy.

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Nut = But.

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:47 PM

You mean those chemical weapons that more than likely have Saddam Hussein’s name all over them?

JPeterman on December 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Don’t worry; the media will be busy reworking all the VIN tags on those things; no way will we ever learn if any precursors, or actual weaponized product ever came from Iraq.

massrighty on December 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM

BILL KRISTOL: It avoids the tax side of the fiscal cliff. There’s still a spending problem. Most of those cuts in spending are fine with me, except for defense.

Sorry there, Billy, old boy, old pal, but defence has to be cut as well. If you honestly believe that there is not waste, fraud and abuse, along with unnecessary spending on materiel that even the military leaders do not want, then you are seriously deluded. The brokest nation in the history of the world can no longer afford to spend with abandon. It must spend wisely and that goes for defence, too.

Below are the amounts spent on defence since 2001 – keep in mind that the Iraq War is over:

2001: $366.2 billion
2002: $421.7 billion
2003: $482.9 billion
2004: $542.4 billion
2005: $600.0 billion
2006: $621.1 billion
2007: $652.6 billion
2008: $729.6 billion
2009: $794.0 billion
2010: $847.2 billion
2011: $878.5 billion
2012: $902.0 billion

In addition to disproving the typical response from people like you that Democrats — and, as most everyone here knows, I can’t stand them — “hate the military and always cut defence spending to the bone, decimating national security, to fund their domestic agenda” (It’s quite evident that Dems spend like drunken sailors on the military as much as they do on social programmes), the above figures should give pause to any fiscal hawk. Our dire fiscal condition requires MASSIVE spending cuts and there can be NO sacred cows. I simply refuse to believe that everything that we spent $902.0 billion on this year in defence-related expenditures was absolutely, positively, matter-of-factly, without-a-shadow-of-a-doubt the difference between the US having the strongest military on earth and being the UK or France.

Your nation-building jaunts over the last decade have added tremendously to the national debt; yet, you continue to talk about sending troops here and there. Your willfully blind ignorance about the Arab Spring has consistently demonstrated that you are an idiot. So, excuse me if I don’t buy into your belief that we have to spend almost $1 trillion every year on national defence, winning the hearts and minds of members of a 7th century death cult, and keeping outdated military bases open on obscure atolls in the Pacific that no one has heard of since General MacArthur was planning his revenge solely because they are a large part of the local economy.

The Federal government is grossly bloated and ineffectively uses the limited resources available to it…and that includes the US military. It’s time for everyone to shape up or ship out.

Resist We Much on December 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Get the rubber stamp ready: AIG sale of ILFC to be submitted for national security review

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:51 PM

A*s orted crooks meet for ‘holiday’ today.

Schadenfreude on December 9, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Those mayans were geniuses up to about 4.

. means 1
.. mean 2
… means 3
…. means 4

and then they went and started screwing it up from there because five isn’t …..

idiots.

SparkPlug on December 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I’m curious…

… after the downfall, when these talking heads are forced to walk among us in the wreckage, when they are called out for letting this happen by repeating White House ‘talking point’, what will be their excuse?

“I was for cutting spending all along, really, I told everyone that would listen that spending was out of control and we had to immediately cut spending. NO! Really, you have to listen to me…! Cutting spending was the only way! Where are you taking me…? NOOOOOOOOOOooooo…”

Seven Percent Solution on December 9, 2012 at 8:54 PM

The Romans were geniuses up to about 3.

. means 1
.. means 2
… means 3
iv means 4? WTH?

idiots

SparkPlug on December 9, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Fluke the Rs, in a very painful way, until they bleed, slowly and without tourniquets.

Schadenfreude on December 9, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I don’t think I’m going to like QOTD Sunday. Nice to see the puppy parade of repubs on the weekend shows. Couldn’t you just sense the testosterone?

arnold ziffel on December 9, 2012 at 8:56 PM

A*s orted crooks meet for ‘holiday’ today.

Schadenfreude on December 9, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Is that where that ChiCom who advocates killing Americans is singing?

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Freeze spending, then negotiate the distribution of what’s available. These people can’t cut anything- I’m guessing a freeze is the best that can be won. Hold it until federal spending returns to the sustainable 18-20% of GDP.

Scotsman on December 9, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Is that where that ChiCom who advocates killing Americans is singing?

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Yes, he’s in the pictured, on the right, next to the singing blonde.

Schadenfreude on December 9, 2012 at 8:59 PM

picture

Schadenfreude on December 9, 2012 at 8:59 PM

The Romans were geniuses up to about 3.

. means 1
.. means 2
… means 3
iv means 4? WTH?

idiots

SparkPlug on December 9, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Don’t forget the Persians. :) They couldn’t count past nine, even with ten fingers.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Welcome to CA everyone…

… Enjoy it!

*clink*

:)

Seven Percent Solution on December 9, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Man made global warming:

… researchers discovered the teardrop-shaped creature in Antarctica recently.

This bell animal lived during the Late Triassic Period, when the Earth was much warmer, with dense rain forests flourishing along what is today the Transantarctic Mountain Range where it was found. At the time, Antarctica was part of the supercontinent Gondwana, though it was still located at high latitudes.

http://news.yahoo.com/bizarre-creature-found-200-million-old-cocoon-140059752.html

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 9:08 PM

tengo hambre. estupidos gringos. tengo el derecho de comer.

renalin on December 9, 2012 at 9:10 PM

tengo hambre. estupidos gringos. tengo el derecho de comer.

renalin on December 9, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Here, have some cake.

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 9:13 PM

inch by inch,

katy on December 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

inch by inch

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 8:38 PM

lolz, I needed that. Once more with meaning, (not a little lower (my buddy)), but funny to this day
Susquehanna Hat Co

Any talk of spending cuts… ykwim

mickytx on December 9, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Why this outrage? It’s not like they haven’t betrayed you for years and years. Why now? Besides, it’s not like you all are going to do anything different the next Presidential cycle, you’re going to take what they give you with a smile.

I’ve been pointing out their betrayals on this site for years. What else is new?

The GOP will betray you

True_King on December 9, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Your nation-building jaunts over the last decade have added tremendously to the national debt; yet, you continue to talk about sending troops here and there. Your willfully blind ignorance about the Arab Spring has consistently demonstrated that you are an idiot. So, excuse me if I don’t buy into your belief that we have to spend almost $1 trillion every year on national defence, winning the hearts and minds of members of a 7th century death cult, and keeping outdated military bases open on obscure atolls in the Pacific that no one has heard

Resist We Much on December 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM

*applause*

RWM-can you run for something? You have my vote.

bazil9 on December 9, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Don’t forget the Persians. :) They couldn’t count past nine, even with ten fingers.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 9:03 PM

The Persians had ten fingers? That’s freaky. I only have 8 fingers. I use my thumbs for hitch-hiking.

SparkPlug on December 9, 2012 at 9:22 PM

picture

Schadenfreude on December 9, 2012 at 8:59 PM

thousand words

SparkPlug on December 9, 2012 at 9:23 PM

if we only give Obama what he wants……………………………….

rob verdi on December 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

If we only give the Devil our souls, we can get the issue off the table.

TXUS on December 9, 2012 at 9:23 PM

tengo hambre. estupidos gringos. tengo el derecho de comer.

renalin on December 9, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Usted tiene el derecho a chupar los huevos …

Seven Percent Solution on December 9, 2012 at 9:24 PM

tengo hambre. estupidos gringos. tengo el derecho de comer.

renalin on December 9, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Palin love should feed you well.

Schadenfreude on December 9, 2012 at 9:27 PM

…suckers.

equanimous on December 9, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Hmmm… The early burst of posts reminded me of If You Give a Mouse a Cookie.”

Fallon on December 9, 2012 at 9:28 PM

2001: $366.2 billion
2002: $421.7 billion
2003: $482.9 billion
2004: $542.4 billion
2005: $600.0 billion
2006: $621.1 billion
2007: $652.6 billion
2008: $729.6 billion
2009: $794.0 billion
2010: $847.2 billion
2011: $878.5 billion
2012: $902.0 billion

The Federal government is grossly bloated and ineffectively uses the limited resources available to it…and that includes the US military. It’s time for everyone to shape up or ship out.

Resist We Much on December 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM

With you.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 9:30 PM

If you are planning to gulch here are the states vis-a-vis health care exchanges: http://brucekrasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nixfinal.png

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-12-08/anything-see-here

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 9:30 PM

The Persians had ten fingers? That’s freaky. I only have 8 fingers. I use my thumbs for hitch-hiking.

SparkPlug on December 9, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I can count to twenty one!

But I’m not allowed.

Anymore.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM

abcnews.go.com hates me.

I always get script errors when posting in a thread that has a link to abcnews.go.com… Grrr…

Fallon on December 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Me gustan los helados y las mujeres pechugonas and Google translate.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 9:36 PM

always get script errors when posting in a thread that has a link to abcnews.go.com…

Me too. I thought it was my browser or settings.

SteveMG on December 9, 2012 at 9:39 PM

But the bottom line that even tabloid wannabe financial reporters should grasp from this is that the real total debt applicable to US households when calculating consolidated liability exposure is not $16 trillion, but $70 trillion.

And, of course, all this excludes the off-off-balance sheet debt of $90 trillion in underfunded welfare state liabilities.

Still think America is not even close to being broke?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-08/chart-day-real-household-net-worth-debt-chart

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 9:44 PM

mmmmmmmm swsmmmmmocccchhhhy smooch smooch smmmmoch

To all those awesomely awesome republicans that can’t poor piss out of a boot but keep calling and sending letters asking for money.

Just keep wasting the paper geniuses.

PappyD61 on December 9, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Freeze spending, then negotiate the distribution of what’s available. These people can’t cut anything- I’m guessing a freeze is the best that can be won. Hold it until federal spending returns to the sustainable 18-20% of GDP.

Scotsman on December 9, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Obama’s healthcare, higher taxes, and vastly increased regulation would make the grow-out-of-it path really slow. Also, they are building out; the healthcare system and the regulations themselves require increases, so I’m not as optimistic as you that we can actually win any real “freeze.” Maybe a bipartisan microphone moment with some smiles, but not an actual, mechanical spending freeze.

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM

We’re sorry, we could not find your word – pechugonas – in the dictionary.

davidk on December 9, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Axe on December 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM

LOLz. I bet you can measure things with it also.

SparkPlug on December 9, 2012 at 9:50 PM

You mean those chemical weapons that more than likely have Saddam Hussein’s name all over them?

JPeterman on December 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Funny that no articles have been written covering this possibility.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 9, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Good evening everyone…

SWalker on December 9, 2012 at 9:58 PM

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