Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on December 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

With 24 days remaining to strike a deal, the two sides remain far apart. House Speaker John Boehner claimed Friday that President Obama’s offers are just “more of the same.” Democrats say Republicans have to give more on taxes before they can reach a serious agreement.

Given this divide, it may seem counterintuitive that lawmakers left themselves just two months to negotiate their way out of the crisis – the two months after Election Day and before the Jan 1 deadline.

But the reality is that lawmakers have been trying to strike this kind of a deal for years, and each time ended up pushing off the very toughest decisions to a future date. The current stand-off is the result of these incremental maneuvers and delayed decisions.

***

The Office of Management and Budget asked civilian and defense agencies this week for detailed what-if lists of what they would cut. But many managers have been quietly preparing worst-case plans for months, having grown painfully familiar with uncertainty after a near-government shutdown last year and a slew of stopgap budgets…

[N]ervous employees say they are in the dark about what might happen, and some are downright cynical.

“They cry wolf every time,” said Mike Granger, a Navy computer programmer at the Patuxent River Naval Air Station. “It always ends up being resolved. So I just ignore it.”

***

The story behind the story is that “tax reform,” as we know it, is dying. During the 1980s, no major piece of legislation better symbolized bipartisan consensus than the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was regarded by both liberal and conservative experts as the best tax law since World War II. The basic idea was simple: Reduce tax rates and recover lost revenue by ending (or limiting) tax breaks. The struggle between President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner over the “fiscal cliff” indicates that this beneficial consensus has collapsed…

The lower rates and broadened tax base of the 1986 law had explicit goals: to increase economic growth; to reduce the use of taxes to promote some activities and discourage others; to minimize lobbying for tax breaks; and to make the system simpler. With time, the appeal of these goals has faded…

The 1986 law was better than what we have today and, almost certainly, better than what we will have tomorrow. It depended on bipartisan support and White House leadership. There is now little of either.

***

Polling data indicate that the people simply do not understand the parlous state of public finances​—​hence the refusal to brook tax hikes to deal with the deficit, or spending cuts in entitlements, the biggest drivers of the nation’s overdrawn account. Little wonder that, after two years of gridlock between two sides that cannot find common ground, the public obstinately refused to break the tie in 2012.

So long as the public continues to send mixed signals, and indeed appears not to fathom the depth of the problem, the two sides will not come to some kind of long-term agreement. Why should they? Better to kick the can down the road until the next election, in the hope that your side can gain an edge.

That points to a grim near-term future for American politics and policy. The fiscal cliff will not be the last showdown between conservatives and liberals on taxes and spending. Given that both factions occupy critical strongholds in the government​—​the GOP controls the House and a Democrat holds the veto pen​—​we should expect more of the same: gridlock, recriminations, and periodic crises that necessitate last-minute “grand bargains” that, on closer inspection, are not so grand. This state of affairs will continue until the American people finally decide which side’s approach they favor in dealing with the deficit.

***

We can and should do more than just extend middle class tax cuts. I stand ready to work with Republicans on a plan that spurs economic growth, creates jobs and reduces our deficit – a plan that gives both sides some of what they want. I’m willing to find ways to bring down the cost of health care without hurting seniors and other Americans who depend on it. And I’m willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the $1 trillion dollars in cuts I signed into law last year.

But if we’re serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy – and if we’re serious about protecting middle-class families – then we’re also going to have to ask the wealthiest Americans to pay higher tax rates. That’s one principle I won’t compromise on.

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already?

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Bmores back!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

he had 7 Bishops!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM

…not bad!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM

…wonder?

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM

you think?

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Okay, I am immediately going off thread. Will Costas promote the reinstatement of Prohibition tomorrow night?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

might be able?

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

…TOO NOT duplicate that!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Broke your chain, sorry.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

F U Obama.

jawkneemusic on December 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Will Costas promote the reinstatement of Prohibition tomorrow night?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Mandatory public transportation?

Fallon on December 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Okay, I am immediately going off thread. Will Costas promote the reinstatement of Prohibition tomorrow night?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

…what will the Speaker of the House do then?

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Okay, I am immediately going off thread. Will Costas promote the reinstatement of Prohibition tomorrow night?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

And cars, gotta get rid of them.

VegasRick on December 8, 2012 at 8:40 PM

It’s not just tax reform, it’s any reform. We just keep making the manure pile higher and higher.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:41 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Cry?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Cry?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Ooofff.

VegasRick on December 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Cry?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

…can’t cry in his beer!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Anybody want to buy a niece…. Cheap????

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Now, now, count to ten.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Cry?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Vegas has it at even odds.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Obysmal is campaigning in various “middle class” neighborhoods to promote his agenda. Will someone tell his suckers that O’s plan is a continuation of the Bush middle class tax rates already? It would take a lot of the oomph from O’s talking points.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Rice, beans, ammo.

wolly4321 on December 8, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Will someone tell his suckers that O’s plan is a continuation of the Bush middle class tax rates already? It would take a lot of the oomph from O’s talking points.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

It won’t matter. When the sheeple look at O all they see is “free stuff.”

predator on December 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Anybody want to buy a niece…. Cheap????

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Nope. I want Scrumpy’s beagle.

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Anybody want to buy a niece…. Cheap????

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM

…you don’t need Democratic New Jersey Senator Bob Menedez’s contact information…I hope!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:52 PM

O/T:

I know what on everyone’s mind.

What will Scrumpy name her dog. Polly best to wait a couple of days and not Spark up the wrong tree.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 8:52 PM

What will Scrumpy name her dog. Polly best to wait a couple of days and not Spark up the wrong tree.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 8:52 PM

…HOWDY DOODY…!!!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Ok, Seven Dog-years is one-man year. So seven dog seconds is 1 man second and seven dog minutes is one man minute.

So this will prolly be my last post for 49 dog minutes.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 8:56 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/271767-republicans-criticize-obama-photo-ops

It’s campaign time all of the time for the Obysmal-Axelrod marketing machine.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2012 at 8:56 PM

It is amazing how it is spun. Tax breaks for the rich, tax breaks for the middle class and all they are talking about is the rates staying the same. There are no tax cuts, for anyone. Yet the gop can’t convey it for crap.

wolly4321 on December 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM

NPR has discovered Boehner love.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/12/08/166759309/once-boxed-in-boehner-may-finally-be-master-of-the-house

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Master of the house

Fallon on December 8, 2012 at 8:58 PM

You boring sheeple.

Its Saturday QOTD and y’all are still playing nice.

Coke!

Ford!

.45 and 9mm!

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Told ya so.
The “maybe Obamas gonna have to cave..Boehner is gettin strong”..media shtick is starting.
It’s more fun for them when they build up hope before laughing in the repubs faces.

Mimzey on December 8, 2012 at 8:58 PM

It’s campaign time all of the time for the Obysmal-Axelrod marketing machine.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2012 at 8:56 PM

And how much exactly do the photo-ops cost when he’s visiting with the little people?

JPeterman on December 8, 2012 at 8:59 PM

And how much exactly do the photo-ops cost when he’s visiting with the little people?

JPeterman on December 8, 2012 at 8:59 PM

It costs exactly, shut up.

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM

9:08 – 8:56 = 13 minutes*7 = 91 dog minutes

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Scrumpy can be renamed Tweeter, and her beagle can be called Woofer. Voila: stereo dynamism.

And how much exactly do the photo-ops cost when he’s visiting with the little people?

JPeterman on December 8, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Well, besides the security costs, this is money for nothing and the (publicity) sh*t’s for free.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2012 at 9:09 PM

If SWalker shows up click on his blue name. He is a blogger. A good blogger. Read his articles from time to time and leave a comment.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM

She, her sparky.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 9:14 PM

If SWalker shows up click on his blue name. He is a blogger. A good blogger. Read his articles from time to time and leave a comment.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM

The dude can play a tune when he wants to, as well…

hillbillyjim on December 8, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Someone mentioned bricks of .22lr on a earlier thread.

I like that. ;>)

wolly4321 on December 8, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Been said before…

Let it Burn!

Make him own it!

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:18 PM

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 9:14 PM

SWalker is a girl? No way. Impossible. Are you kidding?

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Barky likes his beagles with cream cheese.

Bada-bing!

wolly4321 on December 8, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Been said before…

Let it Burn!

Make him own it!

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I finally received the “Let. It. Burn.” windshield decals I ordered. They are proudly displayed on the rear windshield of both vehicles. *I should take pics*

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:20 PM

SWalker is a girl? No way. Impossible. Are you kidding?

WTH? Are you posting from the middle east?
/

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:22 PM

SWalker is a girl? No way. Impossible. Are you kidding?

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Honest to gosh–the “S” stands for “Sapphire.”

*runs*

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM

The dude can play a tune when he wants to, as well…

hillbillyjim on December 8, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Did cozy say SWalker is a girl?

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I’ve been doing stupid guy jokes with her/him. Boy am I a dummy. That is if he is a she.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I finally received the “Let. It. Burn.” windshield decals I ordered. They are proudly displayed on the rear windshield of both vehicles. *I should take pics*

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:20 PM

I hope your vehicles don’t catch on fire.

JPeterman on December 8, 2012 at 9:25 PM

SWalker is a girl? No way. Impossible. Are you kidding?

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:19 PM

I thought she was as well but recently thought she might be a guy. Doesn’t matter, just don’t want to talk dirty if she is a guy.

Also, evening fellow perps.

arnold ziffel on December 8, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I hope your vehicles don’t catch on fire.

JPeterman on December 8, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Meh. They’re insured. ;)

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Barry is trying is hardest to make sure America doesn’t forget him. So for I’ll give him a A+ on that.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Aloha…

Seven Percent Solution on December 8, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I finally received the “Let. It. Burn.” windshield decals I ordered. They are proudly displayed on the rear windshield of both vehicles. *I should take pics*

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:20 PM

I just took the Romney stickers off and have now installed the following:

Annoy a Liberal- Work Hard, Succeed, Be Happy.

Pretty much says it all…

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Aloha…

Seven Percent Solution on December 8, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Shalom Aloha

tom daschle concerned on December 8, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Meh. They’re insured. ;)

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:26 PM

That could be a bigger problem.

JPeterman on December 8, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Ahoy, Piggy! This foxhole is still on our side of the line.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:28 PM

arnold ziffel on December 8, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Wow. I am the most clueless dummy. Now I don’t know who is telling the truth because coz could be doing one of his tricks.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:29 PM

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Ok, you are a guy right?

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Barry is trying is hardest to make sure America doesn’t forget him. So for I’ll give him a A+ on that.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Oh, he’ll be remembered alright.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Words fail me.

But let me re-post something that may come close.

F U Obama.

jawkneemusic on December 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

And let me add…
Same to anyone that thinks they have a claim to my labor.

Electrongod on December 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM

A chick named Sapphire Walker? O_o.

wolly4321 on December 8, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Ok, you are a guy right?

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM

60 years and counting.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:33 PM

60 years and counting.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Whos’s counting?…not me anymore…

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Ok, you are a guy right?

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM

During a card game, someone says to Klinger (in drag), “Up close you’re a guy.”

Klinger, “Far away, too.”

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM

And let me add…
Same to anyone that thinks they have a claim to my labor.

Electrongod on December 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM

“You didn’t build that.”

Don’t forget.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Words fail me.

But let me re-post something that may come close.

F U Obama.

jawkneemusic on December 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I don’t think there has been a day since he was elected in 2008 that I have not said that…

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:37 PM

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:33 PM

So how does it feel, Pred, to be in that narrow group to be grandfathered into the covered no matter who wins the tug-of-war? I’m not too shy, or proud, to take my Uncle Sugar check to the teller. I hope the young appreciate our give-a-**** attitudes.

Let me be the hole in the bottom of the boat.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:38 PM

That could be a bigger problem.

JPeterman on December 8, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I’m not worried–unless they pass ObamaAutoCare. Then, yeah, I’m a little nervous.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I don’t think there has been an hour day since he was elected in 2008 that I have not said that…

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:37 PM

FTFM

VegasRick on December 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM

So how does it feel, Pred, to be in that narrow group to be grandfathered into the covered no matter who wins the tug-of-war? I’m not too shy, or proud, to take my Uncle Sugar check to the teller. I hope the young appreciate our give-a-**** attitudes.

Let me be the hole in the bottom of the boat.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Hell, I’ll probably never collect it. I don’t have enough salted away to supplement it.

I’ll probably work ’til I drop.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Yeah, me too, but beer money is beer money.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I don’t think there has been an hour day since he was elected in 2008 that I have not said that…

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:37 PM

FTFM

VegasRick on December 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Me too.

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Now I don’t know who is telling the truth because coz could be doing one of his tricks.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Heh, my work is done.

The gun thread is more entertaining anyway.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Anybody want to buy a niece…. Cheap????

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Maybe.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 9:42 PM

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 9:14 PM

SWalker is a girl? No way. Impossible. Are you kidding?

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:19 PM

ROTFLMAO…………. cozmo pulled a Bishop and caught all ya’ll… o_O

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 9:42 PM

The gun thread is more entertaining anyway.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I’m sorry. I was bad to turn it into a gun thread. /

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 9:43 PM

I’ll probably work ’til I drop.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I probably will too, I was just hoping it was by choice.

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:44 PM

I want a dog. A German Shepard. And I want to live somewhere when he takes a crap? It’s ok. Let it lay. A land that poodles fear.

wolly4321 on December 8, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Someone mentioned bricks of .22lr on a earlier thread.

I like that. ;>)

wolly4321 on December 8, 2012 at 9:16 PM

…that would be the newly declared troll…cozmo… that mentioned that.

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 9:44 PM

ROTFLMAO…………. cozmo pulled a Bishop and caught all ya’ll… o_O

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Naaaah. We were all just playin’ along.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:46 PM

SWalker is a girl? No way. Impossible. Are you kidding?

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 9:19 PM

No. The Grey Ghost (SWalker) is a hard-rockin’ dude, unless I’ve lost my mind completely.

hillbillyjim on December 8, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I’m sorry. I was bad to turn it into a gun thread. /

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Gun thread? Is there a gun thread?

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I had to cut the ammo down to 1/2. Needed room to lay in the Apocalypse Depends for me and the Mrs. That and rash cream.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:49 PM

is a hard-rockin’ dude, unless I’ve lost my mind completely.

hillbillyjim on December 8, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Last time I checked anyway… o_O

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Gun thread? Is there a gun thread?

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Yea, right? WTH! Nobody told us about it! Bastids!
/

VegasRick on December 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Nite all, 3:30 go-fishing alarm set. Enjoy.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Okay, I am immediately going off thread. Will Costas promote the reinstatement of Prohibition tomorrow night?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Cindy Munford:If you insist:)
==============================

Cowboy Charged in Fatal Crash With Teammate
VIDEO:(2:13)

Police Mini Press Conference
Published on Dec 8, 2012

Dallas Cowboys practice-squad linebacker Jerry Brown was killed in a one-car accident Saturday and teammate Josh Brent was charged with intoxication manslaughter. (Dec. 8)
========================================

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhRWrlbLaf0

Cowboy charged after player dies in auto accident
By SCHUYLER DIXON
— Dec. 8 9:33 PM EST
*********************

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cowboy-charged-after-player-dies-auto-accident

canopfor on December 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Nite all, 3:30 go-fishing alarm set. Enjoy.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Later Limerick, hope you get a birdie. Oh wait, that’s golf. Never mind.

predator on December 8, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Nite all, 3:30 go-fishing alarm set. Enjoy.

Limerick on December 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Limerick:Nite Lim,enjoy yourself-:O

canopfor on December 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Johnny Manziel won the Heisman Trophy.

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Rice, beans Quinoa, ammo.

wolly4321 on December 8, 2012 at 8:50 PM

A necessary adjustment for colder, more populous, and less forested areas. Don’t let a fancy name and a steep price scare you. It has an astonishing amount of protein (which is what you will need in areas where the only prey walks on two legs) and, most importantly, it takes much less fuel to cook.

Archivarix on December 8, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Norks have postponed launch of missile and increased surveillance on its citizens.

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

During a card game, someone says to Klinger (in drag), “Up close you’re a guy.”

Klinger, “Far away, too.”

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Col. Flagg.

Lanceman on December 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

F U Obama.

jawkneemusic on December 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I don’t think there has been a day since he was elected in 2008 that I have not said that…

ccrosby on December 8, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I think I must have talked to you both when I was working the phones during the election. Either that, or there’s alot more people out there that weren’t shy about expressing the same exact thought.

lynncgb on December 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Good evening my fellow compadres!!

It’s a helluva QOTD tonight innit!!…

Looks like most of the gang’s here :-)

My beagle is sleeping awwwwwwwwwwwww…

Scrumpy on December 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

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