MSNBC host: Energy is just too darn cheap

posted at 5:31 pm on December 8, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

While I was taking a short break from working this morning and fixing some breakfast, my TV was still on in the background, tuned in to MSNBC. The host of Up With Chris Hayes was holding court over a panel discussion on domestic energy issues, so since that’s pretty much my field I had decided to tune in. The initial discussion had roped in quite a bit of the usual disinformation on natural gas fracking (which appeared to draw heavily on “facts” from fabulist Josh Fox’s fictional propaganda piece, Gasland). There was one industry “advocate” included who I wasn’t familiar with, but she never seemed to manage to take a stand against any of the worst of the energy witch-hunt comments being thrown around, which led to my wandering off to fry up some scrapple and eggs.

But then, just as Hayes was preparing to toss to a commercial break, one quote reached my ears which quickly dragged me back to the TV.

My sense is that the price of energy is too low at some level right now, and I want to talk about that right after we take this break.

This link goes to the video of that segment should you wish to hear it for yourself, but you’ll need to fast forward to the very end to find it. When the panel returned, this enticing topic was explored in greater depth, including the following clip (with transcript after) where Hayes is talking with – among others – CNBC’s Dan Dicker.

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This is a bit long, but worth the time. (Emphasis mine.)

Chris Hayes: We’re talking about the massive, extractive energy boom happening in America right now and how it’s transforming our politics and how that can be made to work with a sane climate policy, which is really the difficult question. Before the break I left the question on the table about the price of energy being too low right now. Basically we see this massive amount of supply has come onto the grid thanks largely to natural gas. The price has come down, and I think we generally think, “Oh, lower prices are better.” But it seems to me there’s a lot of problematic stuff about the price coming down sharply as it is right now in terms of incentives for efficiency and et cetera.

Dan Dicker: You would want the prices to go up a lot because it would drive the next stage towards renewables, and make that at least cost-effective. Algae fuel, we talk a lot about that…

C.H.: Some people talk about that.

D.D.: Yeah. The cost is about eight and a half to nine dollars a gallon compared to gasoline as it is now. You want the prices to go up to make these a little more cost effective. Drive the technology into them. Unfortunately it’s actually going quite the opposite. You talk about increased supply here in the United States. In fact, overseas demand is dropping. We are still in the midst of an economic problem in Europe. Chinese growth is going down. Indian growth seems to be going down. In this country we’ve done better in terms of efficiencies and our demands are starting to drop, so in terms of what economically you can expect, you will expect the opposite, or at least I do over the next several years, that oil prices will in fact go lower. Natural gas you can – because we have a futures market, we look forward to the future and see what people are betting the price is going to be. That doesn’t go over 5$ an MCF until 2020 according to the futures markets. So although you might want… we have to drive the renewable argument some other way, because price doesn’t look like it’s going to do it.

Frances Beinecke: Look, the only thing that’s going to change that is if we finally put a price on carbon.

C.H.: Right.

F.B.: The externals of all the fossil fuel development are not incorporated in the current price, so the environmental effects, the health effects, the consequences to communities, none of that is factored in. We have to change that, get a price on carbon, drive it up so we can promote renewables and efficiencies first and foremost.

Granted, these are the guests on the show talking here, but the nodding of heads around the table and the continued discussion demonstrates the unanimous attitude of the panel, including the host. So why would I make you sit through this? Because it’s important. And it’s important because it’s real, and we wind up having to be out there fighting against this tide every single day. These groups of self described liberal, effete intellectuals who appear to have no connection to real people, real science or reality in general are out there with a powerful set of microphones. These preening packs of self-appointed saviors of humanity – who have probably never even come within sight of an actual oil rig unless their cruise ship happened to pass one by – have long since figured out the answers to all of your “problems” when it comes to energy, and it’s based on taxing you into submission regardless of how much energy we manage to produce.

I’ve had the fortune over these past several years to travel and learn about these industries first hand and write about it. I’ve been to oil rigs on the sea, natural gas horizontal drilling platforms in Pennsylvania and even gone to the Northern end of Alberta, Canada to research SAGD drilling technology for bitumen hybrids. The research that has gone into this… the bone crushing work these men and women do… the future that so many of them are slowly transforming into a reality… it’s awe inspiring. But there is still a very vocal, screeching cohort of people out there wielding influence vastly out of proportion to their numbers who want to shut it all down. They can’t seem to stop the opportunities for jobs and economic security which seem to be just over the horizon right now by delivering alternative energies today which actually work and can profitably provide a replacement. So, instead, they’ll shut it down by pricing your energy costs out of your reach. The country is still struggling with underemployment, but these happy warriors would be delighted to take those who actually have decent jobs and drive the price of the gas they use to get to their place of employment up to ten bucks a gallon.

And for what? On Hayes’ show he even admitted that the recent surge in natural gas usage has driven carbon based emissions down to the lowest levels seen in decades. But is that enough? No. It is not. Because somebody, somewhere is still burning hydrocarbon based fuels. And that’s got to be stopped, no matter the cost to the country.

Look, I’m not saying this is the most shocking thing Chris Hayes has ever done or said, nor that it even represents some sort of low point. (I highly doubt he’ll ever top his now famous moment when he decided he was uncomfortable referring to the Honored Dead as heroes.) But there is a repeating pattern here of media spokesmodels who seem to be so out of touch with the lives, concerns and challenges facing regular Americans that one wonders if they ever leave Manhattan. And you should be disturbed by this, because there are still people who listen. Some of them even vote in Congress.


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Freaking idiot says…..

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Sorry, thought that was the gay chick.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Is it?

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Looks a lot like her.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM

No?

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Missed one heII of a good chance at it.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I would have sworn it was that chick.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

If I wasn’t so used to this, I would cry.

I now fear these people more than I ever did the Soviets…and I really feared the Soviets.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

The Green movement is about cash not gaia.

The House of Saud is about cash not Islam.

The IRA…same deal.

Ideology transforming into gangsterism.

Always ask – CUI BONO?

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Does he realize people are struggling to heat their homes/apts? He sounds like Marie Antoinette.

Blake on December 8, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 5:35 PM -to- 5:37 PM

Even after a year, some things don’t change. You are still my favorite minion noob.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 5:39 PM

“These groups of self described liberal, effete intellectuals who appear to have no connection to real people, real science or reality in general are out there with a powerful set of microphones.”

I also noted that they all appear to be well fed…

Seven Percent Solution on December 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

The punk says these things just to get attention.

Blake on December 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Perhaps if it cost more Jerry Brown would still be alive:

Cowboys’ Jerry Brown killed in apparent drunk driving accident, Josh Brent arrested; Will Bob Costas call for prohibition?
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/08/cowboys-jerry-brown-killed-in-apparent-drunk-driving-accident-josh-brent-arrested-will-bob-costas-call-for-prohibition/

Despite the tragedy, the Cowboys are scheduled to play Sunday in Cincinnati, and in light of last weekend’s gun-control sermon following the murder-suicide involving the Chiefs’ Jovan Belcher, some are wondering if another stern half-time lecture is in store from a certain sportscaster.

Wonder if Bob Costas will tell us Sunday night that if there were no cars Jerry Brown would still be with us today? #Douchebag—
J. Shaka (@jjshaka) December 08, 2012

“If Josh Brent didn’t have a car, Jerry Brown might be alive today.” – Bob Costas #CarControl—
Corr Comm (@corrcomm) December 08, 2012

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM

FINE! THEN YOU CAN PAY MY BILL YOU LITTLE PRICK!

ThePrez on December 8, 2012 at 5:42 PM

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 5:39 PM

; ) One year, one day. Just holding the front while Bishop reloads. He will be done shortly. Ha! He’ll never read this. Lol!

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 5:42 PM

My sense is that the price of energy is too low at some level right now, and I want to talk about that right after we take this break.

Hmmm, can we please pretty please make it illegal for this imbecile to use any hydrocarbon originating energy source, or any product created or derived from long chain hydrocarbons.

Why the Obama Administration keeps misreading the Arab spring.

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Believe it or not, this is good news.

REMEMBER, the Left didn’t want to attack the Internet and E-Commerce in the 1990s, and Bill Clinton left them alone to prosper. Now he is taking credit for the 90s boom, when all he did was get out of the way.

Bammy can’t do the same with fossil fuel extraction–the game-changing technology of the 2010s. Any prosperity from fraccing and other fuel extractions WILL be seen as happening despite 0bama, not because of him.

Sekhmet on December 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Perhaps if it cost more Jerry Brown would still be alive:

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM

The most tragic aspect of this story…. That the wrong Jerry Brown died…

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM

I now fear these people more than I ever did the Soviets…and I really feared the Soviets.

I don’t fear these people. I hate them with the white hot fury of a thousand suns.

single stack on December 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM

O/T you have got to see this picture and article about bho! This picture is the jest of bho(I won), angry, nasty, in your face, arrogant and it is ‘my way’ or the highway.

http://nation.foxnews.com/gop/2012/12/08/gop-obama-bullying-charities-backing-tax-hikes-wealthy
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letget on December 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Why do leftists hate poor people?

rbj on December 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Oi! Idiots! I hear health care is too cheap also. Thank gawd the progressives are going to fix that issue next. I don’t know how much more of this I can take.

Scotsman on December 8, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Why do leftists hate poor people?

rbj on December 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Because they are killing Mother Gaia, are not them, and are killing Mother Gaia. Oh, and did I mention they were raping and killing Mother Gaia?

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 5:50 PM

If there was a viable source of renewable energy, we’d already be using it. What these folks are trying to do is make those sources of energy viable by manipulating the current energy market to drive the cost up.

Always remember this: When the cost of fossil fuels is high enough to make algae a viable source of energy, all it means is the cost of algae will be roughly the same as the inflated cost of fossil fuels. Should cost of algae, or other alternate fuels come down, then we’ll switch right back to fossil fuels.

BobMbx on December 8, 2012 at 5:51 PM

All we need to do is go after the top 1% energy users and tax their energy at a higher rate. :)

scalleywag on December 8, 2012 at 5:51 PM

fact:
According to the U.S. government, oil shale deposits in an area called the Green River Formation in the western United States are estimated to contain up to 3 trillion barrels of oil — three times more than the whole world has consumed in the past 100 years.

What WILL they do now? :)

golfmann on December 8, 2012 at 5:53 PM

The Green movement is about cash not gaia.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 5:38 PM

You are close but it’s really about power; someone having power over you. And that ain’t ever gonna be you!

E9RET on December 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

You can’t have manufacturing jobs without cheap energy.

ninjapirate on December 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

What is it with liberals and hipster glasses?

And doesn’t a disregard for the financial burden of high energy prices on everything and everyone especially the working poor epitomize the approach of liberals, hipster glasses or not?

Paul-Cincy on December 8, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Screw the poor! Drive up the cost of energy!

Charlemagne on December 8, 2012 at 5:55 PM

What WILL they do now? :)

golfmann on December 8, 2012

Well, now that they have your name and address………. ;-)

E9RET on December 8, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Why do liberals hate poor people?

rhit87 on December 8, 2012 at 5:55 PM

This is the logical progression of leftwing thought. Whenever I hear people one the left bitch about gas prices, I think, you should be glad the price is going up, because it makes the alternatives more competitive. It’s completely contradictory to call gas prices “too high” and then talk about subsidizing alternative energy sources that cost more than double the price of gasoline.

netster007x on December 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

These people are utter idiots. Cheap energy drives a healthy economy, and they want to figure out ways to make it more expensive. Only liberals could bit this stupid and be taken seriously.

STL_Vet on December 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Talking heads are just too darn dumb.

locomotivebreath1901 on December 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM

What WILL they do now? :)

golfmann on December 8, 2012 at 5:53 PM

What in the he11 do you think the EPA was invented for? It sure as he11 wasn’t to clean up after Unicorn farts…

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Seriously…somebody really needs choked….

BigWyo on December 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM

************************ NUTS *******************************

canopfor on December 8, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Hayes is a tool. I’d like to slap those glasses off his elitist face. He’s a punk and a pussy, ever since he did the “hero” thing….arrrrgggghhhh! I wish I had his job, he’s only qualified to be a barrista at Starbucks!!!

rduke305 on December 8, 2012 at 6:00 PM

You can’t have manufacturing jobs without cheap energy.

ninjapirate on December 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Which of course is precisely the point. America became the most powerful and prosperous nation in human history through manufacturing. Since in the Marxist progressive liberal world view that led to America taking more than it’s far share of everything, energy, resources, wealth, you name it, America has to be prevented at any cost from ever employing manufacturing to reassert it’s role of global dominance again.

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Speaking of Energy,and OuTRagey…..

Iran strongly condemns nuclear test by US in Nevada saying it shows hypocritical set of double standards – @RT_com

13 hours ago from rt.com by editor

http://rt.com/news/us-nuclear-test-nevada-criticism-582/
========================================================

The Pollux subcritical experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9acompDIu7w

canopfor on December 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM
The most tragic aspect of this story…. That the wrong Jerry Brown died…

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Moonbeam has flatlines above th shoulders since 1976. Anyone with some grey matter knew it couldn’t be him.

rik on December 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Seriously…somebody really needs choked….

BigWyo on December 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM

BigWyo:The Supply you mean…..(sarc)!

canopfor on December 8, 2012 at 6:03 PM

energy should be clean, protoplasmic and derived from algae – and so expensive only the Government can afford it. Otherwise, we’ll never get to Star Trek.

Slade73 on December 8, 2012 at 6:03 PM

BMore got a 7 in a row Bishop.

How does he do it? I can’t even get a 1 in a row Bishop.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Liberty in this era is directly related to the cost of energy. There is a reason John Galt’s invention produced cheap, plentiful energy.

tom daschle concerned on December 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM

But there is a repeating pattern here of media spokesmodels who seem to be so out of touch with the lives, concerns and challenges facing regular Americans that one wonders if they ever leave Manhattan. And you should be disturbed by this, because there are still people who listen.

There is also a pattern here of people ostensibly on our side who time and again never use the opportunity of being on these shows to give it right back at the hosts and other panelists.

WTF is so difficult about telling someone they are wrong, foolish or just plain full of crap? F&F, Benghazi, repeated green scams and failures and all we hear is “I’m troubled, disappointed, surprised” and never “someone is flat out lying, hiding or both.”

arnold ziffel on December 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Ima try an’ keep it simple for these knuckleheads: If food costs more to make then more poor die from no food and it will be your fault.

Knott Buyinit on December 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM

canopfor on December 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I no longer care what the mullahs think. Heck, have full nuclear weapons testing in Tehran.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:09 PM

SparkPlug on December 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM

I was just getting up from a nap, when I saw the chick and the lack of interest. Even lorien wouldn’t hit that. Would he?

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Energy costs are so reasonable I don’t turn on my heat unless it gets under 25 degrees. If I were to keep this place at a comfort zone temp I’d have to get a third job.

scalleywag on December 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM

I no longer care what the mullahs think. Heck, have full nuclear weapons testing in Tehran.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Will there be BBQ ? Not that cow kind either. No offense arnold. ; )

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Hayes is a douche bag. Case closed. He makes me embarrassed to be a male.

BuckeyeSam on December 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

media spokesmodels

bingo

not a brain in there pretty little head.

I’m sure The Nation and OBA are proud of their little puppy

Obviously there’s a little MO for carbon taxes since the election…talk about closing the deficit!!!! Money…and it all Mine!!!!

i hope sanity prevails…

in the nomenclature of the left, these type of taxes are ‘dialable’…think dialing for dollars.

r keller on December 8, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Why do leftists hate poor people?

rbj on December 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

They don’t hate the poor. They just want everyone to be poor well everyone but them and their family and friends.

RickB on December 8, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Q: What do you call it when Chris Hayes says something dumb?
A: The weekend.

Jim Treacher on December 8, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Hayes is a douche bag. Case closed. He makes me embarrassed to be a male.

BuckeyeSam on December 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

What’s the connection?

Jim Treacher on December 8, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Hold it! I thought it was a chick. Dude?

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:18 PM

There is also a pattern here of people ostensibly on our side who time and again never use the opportunity of being on these shows to give it right back at the hosts and other panelists.

WTF is so difficult about telling someone they are wrong, foolish or just plain full of crap? F&F, Benghazi, repeated green scams and failures and all we hear is “I’m troubled, disappointed, surprised” and never “someone is flat out lying, hiding or both.”

arnold ziffel on December 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Yes! Why can our side take those Marxist Media Morons by the throat (rhetorically) and call a spade a spade.

The national Left’s Socialist agenda is going to drive the nation into the dirt – why can’t we just fight fire with fire?

The Left doesn’t have any compunction about hurling all manner of lying invective at us, why can’t we hurl in back in their smug little faces?

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Wait, you actually get up in the morning and tune in to listen to these a$$clowns…on purpose??? While you’re trying to eat? /

scalleywag on December 8, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM

I wouldn’t want to eat it no matter what it is.

Let them reap what they sow. Same goes for the intellectual libiots and sponges.

From now on, I only care about taking care of my own. And those who think likewise.

The LiB folks convinced me.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:21 PM

My truck and my air conditioner do not run on algae fuel. This people need to understand that if the substitute for oil were discovered today it would take a generation to change the infrastructure to make it viable. Only then would it become price competitive. You can subsidize all the failed renewable fuels you want and they still will not be price competitive because their is no infrastructure to supprot them. By many estimates there is enough oil and gas in North America alone to last over 400 years. We need to be pumping it out of the ground and making it as cheap as possible right now, our economy needs it.

This whole worry about the climate change hoax need to be put to death. 30 years ago the coming ice age was around the corner. 15 years ago we had 10 years left until global warming would kill us all. Nobody buys it anymore except the uneducated conformicrats with their meaningless degrees in agreeing with the propaganda echo chamber. Chris Hayes is an indictment of the American education system as much as anything else.

Ellis on December 8, 2012 at 6:22 PM

After perusing this cretin’s videos, I am convinced this is a very dangerous man, the type of man who intentionally dehumanizes his enemy with the intent of mortal imperilment.

tom daschle concerned on December 8, 2012 at 6:22 PM

“I’m troubled, disappointed, surprised” and never “someone is flat out lying, hiding or both.”

arnold ziffel on December 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Because they’re spineless guttersnipes?

scalleywag on December 8, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Totally confused by this dude, lady Ma’am, Man.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:23 PM

All of these idiots must live in a large city. Here’s a clue morons…not everyone lives in a place with a subway. Some people actually have to drive quite a way to get to work. Hey, what do they care? It doesn’t affect them.

Apparently, they also forgot that everything that is made has the price of energy built in to its price. But hey, who cares as long as we get our carbon tax? These guys are dumber than a box of hammers.

ReaganWasRight on December 8, 2012 at 6:23 PM

I’m reminded at times that we are now officially to the Left of Canada, with no signs of heading back to the center.

These MSNBC types aren’t the fringe anymore. They are having policy meetings with the President of the United States, just last week for example.

Advocating for -higher- energy prices for lower and middle income families is detestable.

The modern Dem party is unhinged.

visions on December 8, 2012 at 6:25 PM

On the video – just one little comment on the discussion and the back and forth on the issues of low prices….

Are those people Freaking INSANE!!!

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 6:28 PM

From now on, I only care about taking care of my own. And those who think likewise.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Due to recent events, I have refocused on this very thing. Rededicated if you will. All my effort going towards one common interest. They will have no more of mine. None. They will have to rely on themselves or others. Not me.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:28 PM

All we need to do is go after the top 1% energy users and tax their energy at a higher rate. :)

scalleywag on December 8, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Wrong. You haven’t been listening to the Idiot in Chief. Everyone knows all you have to do is check your tire pressure…

chewydog on December 8, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Here’s the obvious question no one in that group asked: WHY? Why do we need to move away from carbon based fuels?

Are we running out?
No. We keep finding more and more.

Are they causing damage to the environment?
Nope. Air keeps getting cleaner and the we haven’t had global warming in 16 years, despite the fact that the inhabitants of this planet are adding CO2 at an exponential rate.

So. WHY?

ReaganWasRight on December 8, 2012 at 6:31 PM

when that simpering little nancy boy gives up all carbon based emissions then maybe he will have a little more credence. nah, he is the self appointed elite so what he does isn’t any concern of the hoi polli.

deimos on December 8, 2012 at 6:32 PM

MSNBC host: Energy is just too darn cheap

Give the public what they voted for.

L.I.B.

Bruno Strozek on December 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM

WTF is so difficult about telling someone they are wrong, foolish or just plain full of crap? F&F, Benghazi, repeated green scams and failures and all we hear is “I’m troubled, disappointed, surprised” and never “someone is flat out lying, hiding or both.”

arnold ziffel on December 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM

this is a pretty profound question.

1. ‘our’ side are a bunch of Charlie Crists, unprincipled people who will shill for $$$$$$

2. ‘our’ side is terrified of the press…and what the press can do to them if they want

3. ‘our’ side has a lot of dirt to hide…and the Left has very good oppo research and holds these people hostage

4. ‘our’ side serves its own interests…like Hally Barbour shilling for KFC and illegal immigration (showing Barbour to be a total retard)

5. ‘our’ side has been totally co-opted…like in chicago..the Combine to use Kass’ term

i think it is something like that…and that’s off the top of my head…so please feel free to add to the list

r keller on December 8, 2012 at 6:36 PM

These “people” were clearly not beaten up often enough in high school.

bofh on December 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM

why our country is going down the drain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM

At a quick first glance, I thought that was a photo of Madcow with an Ellen Degenerate haircut and a pen through his? her? bare shoulder.

Cheap energy generates jobs and a better standard of living for everyone who has access to it. Why do these clowns want to relegate the planet to the Dark Ages except for their own personal power?

Programs like this one fail to educate anyone because they do not have participants knowledgeable about the energy sector as producers. They rely on theorists and ideologues with a political agenda.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2012 at 6:39 PM

They will have no more of mine. None. They will have to rely on themselves or others. Not me.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Yep, charities, churches, even needy neighbors. Used to be I helped out when they needed it, no more. I tell them to use their 0bamaphones to get 0bamastuff.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:41 PM

why our country is going down the drain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM

You feelin me?

You know what I’m sayin?

tom daschle concerned on December 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM

why our country is going down the drain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM

thx, needed that little reminder, dawg.

arnold ziffel on December 8, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I love how matter of fact they are about $8-9 gas. Just how would our nation work then? The cost of everything would go up and the economy would crater even more. I just don’t understand these clowns. If they think it is so awesome they should live their lives without anything dealing with fossil fuels. Limo Liberals make me sick.

Maybe we should do this so

Otherwise, we’ll never get to Star Trek.

Slade73 on December 8, 2012 at 6:03 PM

so we can create a time machine to do this

These “people” were clearly not beaten up often enough in high school.

bofh on December 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM

VikingGoneWild on December 8, 2012 at 6:49 PM

RAISE GAS PRICES!!! SOAK THE POOR!!! MAKE THEM PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE!!!

Glenn Jericho on December 8, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Re-re-repeating everything I’ve said in the past several months on this subject . . . . . . . . . . . .

It has nothing to do with money, or the environment.
It’s about weakening the United States.

listens2glenn on December 8, 2012 at 6:52 PM

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:41 PM

cozmo while your here. Any thoughts on .35 cal?

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM

why our country is going down the drain

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM

When the teet dries up, he will be a predator among the elite libiots from the the subject video.

I won’t save them. Just get rid of the varmint after he has culled the herd enough.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Also remember a lot of these folks wanting to raise prices on traditional fuels have investments in the “green” industry.

One of the GOP greatest failures in the last twelve years is their inability to explain to the American people the difference between free market capitalism and government run capitalism (aka crony capitalism) in which certain industries and businesses use government as means to keep themselves a float or to take out competition. Part of the reason is that many GOP leaders have played a part in this cronyism.

William Eaton on December 8, 2012 at 6:54 PM

cozmo while your here. Any thoughts on .35 cal?

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Not really. Don’t know much about the firearms that use it. I think I shot a TC contender chambered for that once.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Anytime he’d like to pay my electric bill, he’s more than welcome. Since it’s so cheap and everything.

tdpwells on December 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM

MSNBC host: Energy is just too darn cheap

Hey, Hayes, are you a Keynesianism and don’t you worship at the Altar of Aggregate Demand?

Riddle me this, Robin (Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it’s supposed to be “Riddle me this, Batman,” but Hayes looks like Robin)“:

The price of every product consumers purchase has a component energy-based cost factored into it. If the price of energy rises, what will happen to the price of every product and what effect will that have on aggregate demand?

If you’d like to phone a friend, I think Maxwell Smart will lend you his shoe-phone. He probably has The Ferret on speed dial. Maybe, you can pull Krug away from his “Let’s-Have-The-Government-Fraudulently-Tell-The-American-Public-That-Aliens-Have-Landed-So-That-They-Will-Agree-To-A-$200-Trillion-Stimulus-Programme”/Om Shanti-Shanti-Spendi-Spendi meditation session long enough to come up with an answer.

I’m sure it will be a typical, condescending, Krugman-style (maybe PSY will rap about him one day) dissertation concluding that increasing energy prices will either have no impact on consumer prices or will actually cause prices to fall resulting in the dreaded, run-for-the-hills. the-end-is-nigh DEFLATION!!! — necessitating more government stimulus, of course.

If it furthered his dreams of “My Progressive Little Ponyland,” The Ferret would argue that E=/=mc2, opposites do not attract, and 100% tax rates would actually result in record productivity, revenues, and prosperity….so, obviously, he’s got to be your “go-to guy” on this one, Rockin’ Robin.

Resist We Much on December 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM

From what I gather, if you stay stoned and don’t drive much, then you probably don’t care about high energy cost. I thought that stuff was only legal in Colorado and Washington, because these guys are smoking some serious stuff.

DDay on December 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Marlin, variation on 30-30. Most popular up North.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM

why our country is going down the drain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Wow…..”I’m me.” Judge Judy had it right….$70,000 down the tubes.

I would laugh at this but I hear the Founding Fathers crying.

VikingGoneWild on December 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Marlin, variation on 30-30. Most popular up North.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Okay, why are you interested?

Stick with the 30-30. Easier to scrounge ammo after the zombie apocalypse.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM

why our country is going down the drain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM

October 8, 2009: Detroit’s Model Citizens Line Up for Money from Obama’s “Stash”
Ken Rogulski, WJR in Detroit.
ROGULSKI: Why are you here?
WOMAN #1: To get some money.
ROGULSKI: And where did Obama get it?
WOMAN #1: I don’t know, his stash. I don’t know. (laughter) I don’t know where he got it from. But, he givin’ it to us. To help us.
WOMAN #1: We love him. That’s why we voted for him!
WOMEN: (chanting) Obama! Obama! Obama! (laughing)

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Down With Chris Hayes?

Olo_Burrows on December 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM

As long as lefty’s run Comcast, we will have fools like these on the air. Now Zucker will make CNN a MSNBC clone. I don’t watch. I won’t watch these replays. It’s my own little boycott. These people don’t exist as far as I am concerned.

Hummer53 on December 8, 2012 at 7:03 PM

They will have no more of mine. None. They will have to rely on themselves or others. Not me.

Bmore on December 8, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Bravo

Yep, charities, churches, even needy neighbors. Used to be I helped out when they needed it, no more. I tell them to use their 0bamaphones to get 0bamastuff.

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Bravo

Staver the Looters!!!

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Starve

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2012 at 7:06 PM

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