MSNBC host: Energy is just too darn cheap

posted at 5:31 pm on December 8, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

While I was taking a short break from working this morning and fixing some breakfast, my TV was still on in the background, tuned in to MSNBC. The host of Up With Chris Hayes was holding court over a panel discussion on domestic energy issues, so since that’s pretty much my field I had decided to tune in. The initial discussion had roped in quite a bit of the usual disinformation on natural gas fracking (which appeared to draw heavily on “facts” from fabulist Josh Fox’s fictional propaganda piece, Gasland). There was one industry “advocate” included who I wasn’t familiar with, but she never seemed to manage to take a stand against any of the worst of the energy witch-hunt comments being thrown around, which led to my wandering off to fry up some scrapple and eggs.

But then, just as Hayes was preparing to toss to a commercial break, one quote reached my ears which quickly dragged me back to the TV.

My sense is that the price of energy is too low at some level right now, and I want to talk about that right after we take this break.

This link goes to the video of that segment should you wish to hear it for yourself, but you’ll need to fast forward to the very end to find it. When the panel returned, this enticing topic was explored in greater depth, including the following clip (with transcript after) where Hayes is talking with – among others – CNBC’s Dan Dicker.

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This is a bit long, but worth the time. (Emphasis mine.)

Chris Hayes: We’re talking about the massive, extractive energy boom happening in America right now and how it’s transforming our politics and how that can be made to work with a sane climate policy, which is really the difficult question. Before the break I left the question on the table about the price of energy being too low right now. Basically we see this massive amount of supply has come onto the grid thanks largely to natural gas. The price has come down, and I think we generally think, “Oh, lower prices are better.” But it seems to me there’s a lot of problematic stuff about the price coming down sharply as it is right now in terms of incentives for efficiency and et cetera.

Dan Dicker: You would want the prices to go up a lot because it would drive the next stage towards renewables, and make that at least cost-effective. Algae fuel, we talk a lot about that…

C.H.: Some people talk about that.

D.D.: Yeah. The cost is about eight and a half to nine dollars a gallon compared to gasoline as it is now. You want the prices to go up to make these a little more cost effective. Drive the technology into them. Unfortunately it’s actually going quite the opposite. You talk about increased supply here in the United States. In fact, overseas demand is dropping. We are still in the midst of an economic problem in Europe. Chinese growth is going down. Indian growth seems to be going down. In this country we’ve done better in terms of efficiencies and our demands are starting to drop, so in terms of what economically you can expect, you will expect the opposite, or at least I do over the next several years, that oil prices will in fact go lower. Natural gas you can – because we have a futures market, we look forward to the future and see what people are betting the price is going to be. That doesn’t go over 5$ an MCF until 2020 according to the futures markets. So although you might want… we have to drive the renewable argument some other way, because price doesn’t look like it’s going to do it.

Frances Beinecke: Look, the only thing that’s going to change that is if we finally put a price on carbon.

C.H.: Right.

F.B.: The externals of all the fossil fuel development are not incorporated in the current price, so the environmental effects, the health effects, the consequences to communities, none of that is factored in. We have to change that, get a price on carbon, drive it up so we can promote renewables and efficiencies first and foremost.

Granted, these are the guests on the show talking here, but the nodding of heads around the table and the continued discussion demonstrates the unanimous attitude of the panel, including the host. So why would I make you sit through this? Because it’s important. And it’s important because it’s real, and we wind up having to be out there fighting against this tide every single day. These groups of self described liberal, effete intellectuals who appear to have no connection to real people, real science or reality in general are out there with a powerful set of microphones. These preening packs of self-appointed saviors of humanity – who have probably never even come within sight of an actual oil rig unless their cruise ship happened to pass one by – have long since figured out the answers to all of your “problems” when it comes to energy, and it’s based on taxing you into submission regardless of how much energy we manage to produce.

I’ve had the fortune over these past several years to travel and learn about these industries first hand and write about it. I’ve been to oil rigs on the sea, natural gas horizontal drilling platforms in Pennsylvania and even gone to the Northern end of Alberta, Canada to research SAGD drilling technology for bitumen hybrids. The research that has gone into this… the bone crushing work these men and women do… the future that so many of them are slowly transforming into a reality… it’s awe inspiring. But there is still a very vocal, screeching cohort of people out there wielding influence vastly out of proportion to their numbers who want to shut it all down. They can’t seem to stop the opportunities for jobs and economic security which seem to be just over the horizon right now by delivering alternative energies today which actually work and can profitably provide a replacement. So, instead, they’ll shut it down by pricing your energy costs out of your reach. The country is still struggling with underemployment, but these happy warriors would be delighted to take those who actually have decent jobs and drive the price of the gas they use to get to their place of employment up to ten bucks a gallon.

And for what? On Hayes’ show he even admitted that the recent surge in natural gas usage has driven carbon based emissions down to the lowest levels seen in decades. But is that enough? No. It is not. Because somebody, somewhere is still burning hydrocarbon based fuels. And that’s got to be stopped, no matter the cost to the country.

Look, I’m not saying this is the most shocking thing Chris Hayes has ever done or said, nor that it even represents some sort of low point. (I highly doubt he’ll ever top his now famous moment when he decided he was uncomfortable referring to the Honored Dead as heroes.) But there is a repeating pattern here of media spokesmodels who seem to be so out of touch with the lives, concerns and challenges facing regular Americans that one wonders if they ever leave Manhattan. And you should be disturbed by this, because there are still people who listen. Some of them even vote in Congress.


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Huh?

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 2:11 AM

Man o man, made the mistake of looking at Drudge before turning in. Wow, that is getting harder and harder to look at. Chick? Guy?

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Demon?

I almost feel sorry for Huma.
She probably begs the MB to let her put on a bomb vest instead.

LegendHasIt on December 9, 2012 at 2:31 AM

REMEMBER, the Left didn’t want to attack the Internet and E-Commerce in the 1990s, and Bill Clinton left them alone to prosper. Now he is taking credit for the 90s boom, when all he did was get out of the way.

And let’s not forget,during his second term Clinton unleashed Reno’s DOJ hounds on Microsoft and popped the .com bubble for his successor.

soundingboard on December 9, 2012 at 2:37 AM

Why do leftists hate poor people?

rbj on December 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Left leaners actually love poor people. They wish there were more of them.
Right leaners love rich people. They wish there were more of them.

soundingboard on December 9, 2012 at 2:41 AM

I see that Rachel Maddow chap has changed his look.

Wolftech on December 9, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Scrapple: it’s what’s for breakfast.

Sherman1864 on December 9, 2012 at 3:27 AM

Scrapple is typically made of hog offal, such as the head, heart, liver, and other trimmings, which are boiled with any bones attached (often the entire head), to make a broth. Once cooked, bones and fat are discarded, the meat is reserved, and (dry) cornmeal is boiled in the broth to make a mush. The meat, finely minced, is returned to the pot and seasonings, typically sage, thyme, savory, black pepper, and others are added.[2][3] The mush is formed into loaves and allowed to cool thoroughly until set. The proportions and seasoning are very much a matter of the region and the cook’s taste.[4]

Sherman1864 on December 9, 2012 at 3:30 AM

Let’s face it, if I were to conduct an impromptu man-on-the-street poll and ask people “Hey, did you hear what they said on Up with Chris Hayes” yesterday, I would expect the reactions to be either “Who?” or “Wha?” or “Huh?”

I mean, who exactly watches this idiot’s show on Saturday morning?

pilamaye on December 9, 2012 at 5:33 AM

I mean, who exactly watches this idiot’s show on Saturday morning?

pilamaye on December 9, 2012 at 5:33 AM

The author of the article did a self-outing.

Makes you wonder who the other 3 people in the demographic are, huh?

ajacksonian on December 9, 2012 at 5:54 AM

this idiot must be a new yorker, only they would think gas is too darn cheap, they don’t own a car…

cmsinaz on December 9, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Chris Hayes is the Washington, D.C. editor of The Nation, a rag so left-wing that it’s apologized for Lenin, Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez. Thanks to a subscription to The Nation I took 25 years ago in high school because I enjoyed Calvin Trillin’s charming columns, I was also exposed to the rantings of Noam Chomsky at an early age. Finally, in 1989, shortly after i joined the Navy, I became disgusted with The Nation when it ran an article endorsing pederasty in Haiti. There was some priest who was buggering desperately poor black kids in Haiti and The Nation couldn’t summon any condemnation at all. Any form of depredation was just A-OK to them. Since then I’ve been convinced that Leftism is dangerous bullshit.

Brendon Carr on December 9, 2012 at 8:17 AM

Oh, and Chris Hayes rides a bike to work.

Brendon Carr on December 9, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Brendon Carr on December 9, 2012 at 8:18 AM

thanks!

cmsinaz on December 9, 2012 at 8:26 AM

Left leaners actually love poor people. They wish there were more of them.
Right leaners love rich people. They wish there were more of them.

soundingboard on December 9, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Left leaners love poor people? Why do they encourage aborting their babies? Why do they keep them poor?

Right leaners don’t “love” rich people … they just don’t condemn their success like left leaners do. Until the socialists decided to start stealing from people who do you think funded many of our higher learning institutions, hospitals and charities?

Right leaners want poor people to have the opportunity to pull themselves out of poverty. Until the socialists got in the game there was no country that offered the opportunities like the US. The socialists have slowly but surely taken those opportunities away in favor of a life supported by government.

darwin on December 9, 2012 at 8:27 AM

Left leaners actually love poor people.

I learned that reading The Nation. Leftists actually love poor people, and they love ‘em young.

Brendon Carr on December 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Even if these bird brain types stop taking hot showers, eating hot meals, walk everywhere they go, buy no first class seats, and sit around in the dark, I still won’t listen to them when they muse out loud with each other about a subject they know nothing about that promotes a hoax. I’m seeing more articles in our paper almost every day that tell us we have got to fight global climate change. There’s a group taking that fight to a judge in Spokane, to stop Montana from digging coal, shipping it by rail to the coast for transport to China where I’m assuming the Chinese will burn it for fuel. Oh, the horror! I’m burning wood for fuel to stay warm right now. They are trying to stop that, too.

Kissmygrits on December 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM

MSNBC(Mostly Stupid No Balls Commentary) just doing what the far left does best advance communism.(With a little tingle now and then)

rodguy911 on December 9, 2012 at 8:50 AM

cozmo on December 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Dang Coz ! I like your style ! :)

cableguy615 on December 9, 2012 at 8:52 AM

These people are the ideologiotical descendants of the Soviets.

JimC on December 8, 2012 at 9:18 PM

fixed

cableguy615 on December 9, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Granted, these are the guests on the show talking here, but the nodding of heads around the table and the continued discussion demonstrates the unanimous attitude of the panel, including the host.

They don’t set policy, they explain it to the majority of the population, i.e., voters. Transfer this model to every other topic.


We have to change that, get a price on carbon, drive it up so we can promote renewables and efficiencies first and foremost.

This is the moral equivalent of burning your old car so your insurance company will buy you a new one.

Akzed on December 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Scrapple is typically made of hog offal, such as the head, heart, liver, and other trimmings, which are boiled with any bones attached (often the entire head), to make a broth. Once cooked, bones and fat are discarded, the meat is reserved, and (dry) cornmeal is boiled in the broth to make a mush. The meat, finely minced, is returned to the pot and seasonings, typically sage, thyme, savory, black pepper, and others are added.[2][3] The mush is formed into loaves and allowed to cool thoroughly until set. The proportions and seasoning are very much a matter of the region and the cook’s taste.[4]

Yum! You have to slice it thin, that’s important, and fry till crispy. BTW, the recipe above omits the cranial scrapings.

Akzed on December 9, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Chris Hayes is functionally illiterate, and semi-retarded.

Red Cloud on December 9, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Chris Hayes is the Washington, D.C. editor of The Nation, a rag so left-wing that it’s apologized for Lenin, Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez. Thanks to a subscription to The Nation I took 25 years ago in high school because I enjoyed Calvin Trillin’s charming columns, I was also exposed to the rantings of Noam Chomsky at an early age. Finally, in 1989, shortly after i joined the Navy, I became disgusted with The Nation when it ran an article endorsing pederasty in Haiti. There was some priest who was buggering desperately poor black kids in Haiti and The Nation couldn’t summon any condemnation at all. Any form of depredation was just A-OK to them. Since then I’ve been convinced that Leftism is dangerous bullshit.

Brendon Carr on December 9, 2012 at 8:17 AM

I had the same reaction to left wing news in High School (1975-79). At first I thought they were trying to be ironic or “edgy”, as with “underground comix” at the time (all which lauded getting stoned in class or casual sex). Then I realized that they were really serious about apologizing for evil unless it could blame the USA.

At that point I grew up.

Bulletchaser on December 9, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Who’s Chris Hayes? I’d never heard of him until HA, but I’d be willing to bet that the condom factory sent a letter of apology to his parents.

DevilsPrinciple on December 9, 2012 at 10:17 AM

The fight for affordable energy is among the most important of our time. Keep up the good work, Jazz. Keep us ahead of the game.

petefrt on December 9, 2012 at 10:34 AM

I see that Rachel Maddow chap has changed his look.

Wolftech on December 9, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Heh.

This androgynous little mutt should have been drowned in the creek with the other puppies.

Jaibones on December 9, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Left leaners actually love poor people. They wish there were more of them.

They love “people” but they hate individuals. Individuals are messy and selfish and don’t know what is good for them. That’s why these elites have to tell people what to think and do.

You wonder if they even listen to themselves when they speak. The government has to manipulate the energy market to increase efficiencies? Like that has ever happened.

Brutus on December 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM

It may seem cheap for someone that probably earns $1500 per hour or more and one hour salay would be enough to fill up 20 vehicles with a 20 gallon tank. What about the person making $8 an hour or even 2-3 times that. One hour salary would buy a little more than 2 gallons up to maybe 7 gallons, not even a 1/2 tank on a vehicle with a 20 gallon tank. Sinch there are only basically 40 hours in a work week, that you get paid for, you have to look at the amount of time vs amount of cash outlay for a gallon of gas. For Hayes it equates to belly button lint or pocket change, but for many it is several hours work to fill up a tank. NOT CHEAP.

j bo on December 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Oh, and Chris Hayes rides a bike to work.

Brendon Carr on December 9, 2012 at 8:18 AM

He looks like the type who sniffs the seat when no one is looking.

pilamaye on December 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Yeah, we need to emulate fuel prices in the UK where people actually get to choose between staving off the bitter cold or feeding themselves.

Let’s compare the impending apocalypse with a liberal idea engine. No distinguishable difference from where I sit.

Just how long are we going to let this mess go on?

rebarnard on December 9, 2012 at 11:14 AM

when the shyte hit’s the fan and the dollar collapses this will be the first batch of mental defectives cleansed from the planet.

They are clueless and just think food, water and energy just magically appear. Eliminating them will be as easy as taking a new born fawn with a rifle.

If they manage to survive the first purge the “religion of peace” will probably eliminate them in the next wave.

acyl72 on December 9, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Sea weed is the answer, no doubt about it. That and the wind mills of Cervantes. Pain rules !

arand on December 9, 2012 at 11:38 AM

It is totally beyond me how people can get this absolutely stupid……. when is MSNBC going to fold and fade away like a bad dream?

ultracon on December 9, 2012 at 11:50 AM

fact:
According to the U.S. government, oil shale deposits in an area called the Green River Formation in the western United States are estimated to contain up to 3 trillion barrels of oil — three times more than the whole world has consumed in the past 100 years.

What WILL they do now? :)

golfmann on December 8, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I remember a major oil company (can’t remember which one) that put out an animated public relations commercial back in the ’70s. It talked about how they were on it and were figuring out ways to extract shale oil.

Since then, these fossil fuels have pretty much fallen off of the radar.

Could be a few things:

1. The technologies haven’t existed until just recently to exploit these fossil fuels.
2. With lower oil prices over the last thirty years, it wasn’t profitable enough to pursue.
3. Their geologists somehow missed trillions of barrels of oil, and possibly quadrillions of cubic meters of natural gas over the last 60-70 years. Yeah, sure.

Our government (yes, including Reagan and both Bush’s) has been quite happy to have our system pay the Saudis and other OPEC members through the nose.

Energy just isn’t profit, it’s also power.

So we need to Occam’s Razor this and figure out how they’re screwing us with this, why they’re screwing us, and how they’re going to benefit for this.

One thing is for sure-these fossil fuel reserves are not looked upon by either the (majority of) politicians in Washington nor the oil companies as something that’s just so awesomely great for America and the American people.

Remember the Alaskan Pipeline and how they made it sound like oil would flow into the American market-most of it did (does) not-thus reducing energy prices, creating beaucoup jobs, and reducing our dependence on foreign countries?

And do we really think that if there is an oil boom here that the American people will actually benefit somehow? Are the Venezuelan people or the Mexican people benefiting from their country’s oil exports?

Speaking of Mexicans, who the hell do you think will sooner or later be the bulk of the work force on the Keystone Pipleline, these oil fields or gas fields? An American worker who wants union wages or illegals who will work cheap?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 9, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Chris huh? Guy? Chick? Androgyny? Metro-sexual?

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 1:19 PM

It is totally beyond me how people can get this absolutely stupid……. when is MSNBC going to fold and fade away like a bad dream?

ultracon on December 9, 2012 at 11:50 AM

The stupid goes all the way up to TOTUS, and since it was re-elected…

ebrown2 on December 9, 2012 at 1:43 PM

The concept of taxing negative externalities is not really a lefty thing. There are advocates on the right as well and it ought to be apparent that the market does not rationalize all costs and consequences of free exchanges. Taxes on exchanges that create negative externals are more morally founded than most taxes as long as the revenue goes to fixing the problems, as opposed to fueling some unrelated bureaucracy or entitlement. It is a bonus if the cause of the externaliaty is suppressed and alternatives are more viable by the tax policy.

There is nothing wrong with the policy mechanics they are discussing except trusting the government with fairly accurately identifying and quantifying negative externals and not being driven by special interest and hobby horse passions.

Hochmeister on December 9, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Hotair shows more msnbc clips than the msnbc site does. Seriously, are you trolling for comments repeating their nonsense or do you actually watch it with interest?

Who cares what these people say on their garbage news channel…

Joey24007 on December 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM

urban elitist ?

Bmore on December 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM

cmsinaz — I have to correct the record: Chris Hayes and his beautiful wife (I know, I’m as shocked as you) recently moved to New York City.

Brendon Carr on December 9, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Because adults can vote regardless of their gender, race, etc, I suggest you all focus on the argument not the arguer.

Observation on December 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM

A definite indicator that taxes on the 1% need to be raised to the Stratosphere.
Perhaps a marginal rate of 99% on all income in excess of $45K.
And, you can’t deduct “car service” as a personal or business deduction.

Another Drew on December 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Another Drew on December 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Let’s stop with the half measures, let’s just go all in and get it over with. How about the government nationalizes all business, seizes all wealth in excess of $250K, 0% tax on income under $250K per year 100% tax on all income over $250K per year and no deductions errr loopholes at all. No bonuses for meeting goals, matter of fact no bonuses at all, minimum wage of $100per hour, up to $250K of course and everyone must join a union and pay dues. Dues should be capped at about 75% of your salary with a minimum of 60%, Unions gotta make ends meet and they have to pony up for the Democrat of their choice. As for environmental issues well now lets shut down all power plants that burn anything and of course all nuke plants too. That way only wind solar and hydro may be used for electricity. Let’s mandate that every family must buy only electric cars too and we’ll shut down all oil production, coal mining and gas drilling. In addition we should shut down all those nasty oil refineries and paper mills. Have you ever been downwind of a paper mill? Gotta be something bad there or it wouldn’t smell like that. Oh! and let’s outlaw broccoli and legalize pot.

Oldnuke on December 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Another Drew on December 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM

PS: I was only half joking with that stupid post. Everyone knows the best way to remove a band aid is to just grit your teeth rip ‘er off. Less suffering that way. I say lets just get on with it.

Oldnuke on December 9, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Oldnuke, you might have been a tad less than serious, but I’m fed up to here with the sanctimonious crap emanating from Left-Wing penumbras over taxes.
Since most of these Mental Midgets live and work in Solid-Blue States, I say give them what they want “good and hard”.
Make their taxes hurt just as much as do the taxes paid by Mr & Mrs Middle America; even more, so that it’s Fair (do it for the children).
They’ve won AlGore’s Lottery of Life, let them “give something back” – say about 99%!.

Another Drew on December 9, 2012 at 6:30 PM

I don’t know about Chris Hayes but in general these media types are paid totally out of line with what they are worth and are solid members of that hated 1% they were so against.

Raising US energy prices to European levels or higher would not seriously impact their lifestyles and that alone is reason enough to discount their opinions.

Nomas on December 9, 2012 at 6:32 PM

You’d think these idiots would realize that if the cost of energy goes up, most EVERYTHING ELSE goes up. Hey, geniuses, if you drive gas up to $10 a gallon, that latte you get at Starbucks will go up to $12 in a matter of days. Oh yeah, and those buses and trains you want everyone to get on? The fares will have to go up to compensate for fuel cost. And just how many crooked freeloaders are getting paid from those fares? It’s no accident that fares keep going up yet service remains the same or worse.

TMOverbeck on December 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

How much energy is wasted lighting that TV studio?

Thicklugdonkey on December 9, 2012 at 9:18 PM

So clearly the Regime’s Science Czar John Holdren still holds hearts and minds in their Party. The man helped Paul Erhlich prophesy, in the late 1960s and early 1970s, that civilization was doomed to food riots and mass starvation by 1980, that only actively de-populating large segments of the planet would save their version of civilization… for them, of course. Not for us.

They want poor people all over the world, but especially in the Industrialized West, to starve and/or freeze in the dark. Cheap energy is the ONLY thing that keeps us out of the caves: ever seen Haiti from above? The boundary between Haiti and the Dominican Republic demonstrates the physical result of people who cannot afford supplemental energy, and those who can (do an image search for “Haitian border from the air” I couldn’t come up with a working link. Sorry.).

IIRC, Erhlich once said that North America could only be expected to realistically support about a half million people; the rest would, for the sake of the ecology, be considered a danger to the planet. I don’t know about you, but that sounds like what liberal ivory-tower-inhabitants would call a capital crime.

Leonie Alemann on December 9, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I’ve got I had a couple (I keep forgetting I lawfully sold everything to legal buyers and, sadly, lost all my receipts in a tragic mishap above Lake Norman) and they really are great shooters, not to mention offering a very fair entry price into the world of utilitarian Sigs.

rogerb on December 9, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Thank you rogerb. I will definitely add that to my list of things to check out.

I am sorry about your mishap at Lake Norman. I’m sure it must have been the crosswinds in that area that caused you a problem. I live in NC and know how treacherous those winds can be. Years ago, I heard that the wind there was so strong one day that it actually made Jesse Helms lean left.

:-)

lynncgb on December 9, 2012 at 9:49 PM

(I highly doubt he’ll ever top his now famous moment when he decided he was uncomfortable referring to the Honored Dead as heroes.)

Once he said that it was clear there was no reason to ever listen to this ignorant fool again. Why he is given a microphone is beyond me, as he is a complete idiot.

goflyers on December 10, 2012 at 12:07 AM

It’s all political. Tell me why we have a Department Of Energy formed by Jimmy Carter to get us off foreign oil over thirty years ago and has failed for over thirty years and this years budget was 23.3 billion and has 16,000 employees? The media has brain washed the public blaming the oil companies for greedy profits while in reality they make a nickel a gallon and the tax here in NYS is about 20% or 80 cents on a $4.00 gallon of gas. Anyone with a half an once of sense can Google the net for tons of information not possible years ago. Google (listing of federal agencies) for openers and be shocked and while you’re at it google (amount of staff for Congress) you won’t believe the total. It’s all political.

mixplix on December 10, 2012 at 6:48 AM

Maybe Chris should start the Gas is just to damn high party

booger71 on December 10, 2012 at 8:06 AM

Harry Pothead

labrat on December 10, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Those guys must make a $#!+load of money to not have to worry about ten dollar a gallon gas.

Bob's Kid on December 10, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Mr. Hayes: There is a simple solution to your problem (of energy being TOO cheap); MOVE to EUROPE. They have much higher energy costs. You could pay all the GREEN TAX you want.
Tell you what, Mr. Hayes, you move and pay all the GREEN tax, for everyone that does not want to pay. I’ll stay put and NOT pay. OK? DEAL?

djreiner on December 10, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Amazing.
These people are talking as if this is mainstream thinking.

Chris Hayes is one of those guys that if I saw him walking down the street, I would push him down.

dverplank on December 10, 2012 at 7:14 PM

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