As to whether or not they’ll shoot the protesters; I say if they wouldn’t do it do Mubarak, they sure as hell won’t do it for Morsi.

The Iranian mullahs got an affirmative answer to that question in the summer of 2009

I could be wrong here – but I don’t remember any Iranian GENERAL MILITARY units shooting at civilians in Iran.

What I seem to recall – is that the Supreme Leader relied overwhelmingly on “Basjii” … his civilian paramilitaries who are just as fanatical as he is.

Iran seemingly had the luxury of throwing loyal guys at the protesters – while allowing those who’s loyalty was questioned … to stay home and not be called upon to respond to the protests.

How we got him…therein is the $64,000 question.

coldwarrior on December 8, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Affirmative action.

[Which, of course, resulted in the same outcome as it always does.]

In its first statement since protests erupted, it vowed to protect public institutions and innocent people. The army statement was read on Egyptian TV by a spokesman.

“The armed forces affirm that dialogue is the best and only way to reach consensus,” it added.

“The opposite of that will bring us to a dark tunnel that will result in catastrophe and that is something we will not allow.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20651896

That sounds like a pretty strong statement and some division among the Army.

This is a question Obama has asked himself. I believe that he’s planning accordingly.

disa on December 8, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Don’t quote me on this but I’m pretty sure all the Joint Chiefs are now Obama appointees, and probably the bulk of all three and four stars, and I think it’s safe to say their main qualification wasn’t being Warrior Generals as yet again demonstrated by the Silence of the Sheeples, re Benghazi.

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

The rule should be that once they’ve lied like that they are no longer trustworthy.

They can stow the ‘trust us’ meme given the corruption and lies they’ve perpetrated so far.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Very true, now ask yourself this. IF this were the Sarah Palin administration, would the Fifth Column Treasonous Media or the Democrats have given her administration the pass they have given the Obama administration? Would they be asking the very same questions of the governments purchase of more ammunition for DHS and SSA then the US Military asks for to fight 2 on going conflicts?

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Hahahahahaha!…… excuse me.

I think most people know the answer to that question.

Sandy should be Obama’s Katrina – it wasn’t.

Holder should have been run out on a rail for supplying Guns to drug cartel gangsters

Obama should be impeached over Benghazigate.

Teflon doesn’t have nutthin on the dear liar and his ability to escape blame for the economy, the Middle East turmoil, and all the corruption within his regime.

However, the nation is majority islamist.
entagor on December 8, 2012 at 1:21 PM

No, but the Islamists MB and Salaafists are organized. They have had community organizers for a long time, in the same way Hamas and Hezbollah have. In fact the community organizer element might be why Barky is such a fawning fan (j/k…maybe).

The US demanded an instant election and didn’t allow an opposition to radical Islam to organize itself. These riots are mostly composed of people who are not Islamists and certainly didn’t want to change out on Tyrant for another who claims Allah is his only master.

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

The rule should be that once they’ve lied like that they are no longer trustworthy.

They can stow the ‘trust us’ meme given the corruption and lies they’ve perpetrated so far.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Very true, now ask yourself this. IF this were the Sarah Palin administration, would the Fifth Column Treasonous Media or the Democrats have given her administration the pass they have given the Obama administration? Would they be asking the very same questions of the governments purchase of more ammunition for DHS and SSA then the US Military asks for to fight 2 on going conflicts?

But that had yet to be tested in the crucible of a popular revolt, and now Morsi faces the same question every struggling dictator ends up asking: Is the military loyal enough to me to shoot civilians in the streets?

Mubarak had his military. However, the nation is majority islamist. While there are large numbers of non islamist protesting, they are a minority

If the military backs off from ‘crowd control’ they will be very lonely in that country. Saddam Hussein’s loyal soldiers had similar problem

The breaking point will come when the soldiers decide they want their families to live in Egypt. If so, they will either have to resign, or do crowd control. In the long run, they will probably have to get religion big time to make up for this period of ‘disloyalty’ to the new islamists

The biggest question is: do the new islamists fear Obama would cut off their money chain if they took down the minority?

I know what I would think. If Obama was willing to fund the Muslim Brotherhood, and move to rehabilitate their world reputation, I would guess he would not turn his money laden back on the Brotherhood, should the Brotherhood mount a cleanup operation of dissidents. A couple of tut-tuts and the Bammer would re start the money wagon, to ‘help the children’.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

When your government arms drug lords and terrorists, get’s it’s own citizens killed doing so, covers up and lies about doing so, the question for any and every sane rational individual ceases to be, “Am I paranoid” and becomes, “Am I paranoid enough”.

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

The rule should be that once they’ve lied like that they are no longer trustworthy.

They can stow the ‘trust us’ meme given the corruption and lies they’ve perpetrated so far.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I’ll see if I can get additional information from my daughter re DHS. She may or may not be able to access it. But in either case it may take awhile. If I do I’ll post to you.

chemman on December 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Thank you kindly, that would be highly indicative of the governments intentions.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 1:01 PM

By the way, an RFP is emphatically not a commitment. It’s a stage in procurement designed to shorten what is (hopefully) already your short list.

POs are right towards the end of the procurement lifecycle…

Two very different instruments that should not be confused.

There’s some serious tin foil ass-hattery around all this. The giveaway is a) people not understanding what a JHP is and b) not understanding government RFPs.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

When your government arms drug lords and terrorists, get’s it’s own citizens killed doing so, covers up and lies about doing so, the question for any and every sane rational individual ceases to be, “Am I paranoid” and becomes, “Am I paranoid enough”.

chemman on December 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM

If you are a large organization putting out an RFP you want to ensure a range of things that are spelt out as your critical success factors.

In this case they could be:

Financial Stability – Is the company financially stable and likely to remain so?
Geo political stability – Is this company foreign or heavily invested in foreign assets etc.
Capacity – Can thee company flex to meet changing capacity
Quality Control
Sourcing
Headline costs.

If you’re the government you’d put out an RFP for 1.5 billion JHPs, in the same way that you’d put out an RFP for 250,000 SUVs…

As for which costs more to procure (JHP vs FMJ)- at these volumes it is a wash.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I’ll see if I can get additional information from my daughter re DHS. She may or may not be able to access it. But in either case it may take awhile. If I do I’ll post to you.

The question still is why do these agencies need to have commitments from manufacturers to fill ammunition orders of that magnitude?

Since I have progeny that works for DHS (Border Patrol) I can understand some of the DHS RFP. 1.5 billion rounds though seems an order or 2 of magnitude to large.

chemman on December 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I wonder as to the amounts those agencies have purchased in the past, does anyone have a read on that?

Which are more costly? JHPs or FMJ?

If these Syrian kids are still alive, I’d like to get their thoughts on Obama’s “red lines”….

Obama, The Weak Ass

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

RFP: Request for Proposal.

When an RFP goes out it is not a purchase order it is a request for organizations/manufacturers to respond back with particulars to fill that proposal. i.e. step one in the bidding process. The question still is why do these agencies need to have commitments from manufacturers to fill ammunition orders of that magnitude?

Since I have progeny that works for DHS (Border Patrol) I can understand some of the DHS RFP. 1.5 billion rounds though seems an order or 2 of magnitude to large.

Mock such stupidity, 24/7.

Obama makes Carter look very smart.