Egyptian military faces moment of truth

posted at 10:01 am on December 8, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

We knew it would come down to this eventually.  In the wake of continuing, and perhaps strengthening, demonstrations and protests against his dictatorial decrees, Mohamed Morsi has authorized the Egyptian military to secure Cairo:

Egypt’s President Mohamed Mursi, facing street protests over his attempts to push through a new constitution, will soon authorise the armed forces to help police keep order, the state-run newspaper al-Ahram reported on Saturday.

The daily said the cabinet had approved a legal measure under which the armed forces would help “maintain security and protect vital state institutions” and would be given powers of arrest, but did not say when it would be issued.

However, that assumes that Morsi and his cabinet have control over the military.  The military responded to Morsi’s move with a cryptic message that the country needs “dialogue,” perhaps sending a warning shot across Morsi’s bow:

Egypt’s military has warned of ‘disastrous consequences’ if the political crisis gripping the country is not resolved through dialogue.

The military said in a statement read on state TV on Saturday that serious dialogue is the “best and only” way to overcome the nation’s deepening political dispute.

That sounds suspiciously like, “You’re on your own, pal.”  Morsi set off this conflagration with his decision to put himself and his government above the judiciary and legislature, clearly not the kind of government Egyptians had demanded when they marched on Hosni Mubarak.

The military sided with the people then, allowing them to demonstrate and push Mubarak out of office.  Since that time, Morsi has tried to ensure the loyalty of the army by installing commanders favorable to the Muslim Brotherhood, and had been seen as succeeding in that effort.  But that had yet to be tested in the crucible of a popular revolt, and now Morsi faces the same question every struggling dictator ends up asking: Is the military loyal enough to me to shoot civilians in the streets?

The Iranian mullahs got an affirmative answer to that question in the summer of 2009, but the mullahs had been in power for a generation, too.  Mubarak had been in power almost as long, and got a much different answer in 2011.  This response from the Egyptian military makes it sound like Morsi might get the same answer as Mubarak — and that he’s treading on very thin ice now.


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Obama’s Arab spring is now winter.

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Is the military loyal enough to me to shoot civilians in the streets?

This is a question Obama has asked himself. I believe that he’s planning accordingly.

disa on December 8, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Interesting. The bulk of the army are unskilled conscripts with 4th rate equipment and discipline. The core professional units would be needed to put down any kind of insurrection.

Push comes to shove I don’t see them siding with Morsi and giving the crowds severe lead poisoning. The army is not Islamist.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Great foreign policy . . . help ensure the installation of Mubarak light. The current state department is a pathetic loser. I know, they’re only implementing Obama’s policies but that just makes them even more pathetic losers.

rplat on December 8, 2012 at 10:21 AM

If George Bush was in charge of this mess …

Yep, I miss him. I also miss an American media that at least had a notion of the obligation of objectivity. We are living in the dark with only information packaged by the main stream in the manner they want us to see it, biased towards their goals.

There is no serious critique of this man’s many failures. His Arab Spring has literally set the Middle East on fire in a manner that dwarf the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan insofar as regional instability.

hawkdriver on December 8, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Hey libs, remember all those civilains you bemoaned George Bush causing to die? They’re actually in graves in Syria and your boy stoked that one up.

When are you going to start painting your anti-war signs again? When are you going to take to the streets?> You know, before your military (that you say you were protesting to protect) deploys one more boot on the ground?

hawkdriver on December 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Egyptian military faces moment of truth

TRUTH and ISLAM have never crossed paths in history.

honsy on December 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Morsi probably has already identified a safe haven if he needs to flee with his life. Don’t let the door hit you, Islamofascist. Maybe you and Assad can be roommates.

Philly on December 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Maybe you and Assad can be roommates.

Philly on December 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Doubt that. Assad and his government have been the bane of many in the Middle East because of their secular leadership.

hawkdriver on December 8, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Did that open an opportunity to post irrelevant out of context and edited comments here?
 
lester on November 24, 2012 at 1:14 PM

 

Whatever goes wrong now, it would be their fault. Nobody can pin it on us, and that’s good.
 
lester on November 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

 
Obama didn’t start arming Egypt and just because you don’t like very long term agreements doesn’t mean they should be overturned with direction of the wind.
 
lester on December 7, 2012 at 8:14 PM
 
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/12/07/despite-muslim-brotherhoods-rise-u-s-continues-to-arm-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-2210907

rogerb on December 8, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Send Code Pink into monitor the demonstrations!

Drill and Fill on December 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM

They may have replaced the leadership with MB stooges but the person pulling the trigger may not be. The only way Communism or Theocracy is maintained is by the bullet and it will in the end be it real downfall.

tjexcite on December 8, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Here for our libtrolls who don’t like “our” sources. A link from their favorite HuffPo. (Your People)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/06/syrian-rebels-say-west-ha_n_1944418.html

Like Iran, the Syrians revolted with an expectation the West (US) would come to their aid. Many US Administrations made it clear in no uncertain terms that we were almost spring loaded to help the youth in Iran break from their oppressive government. Oops, they tried it during obama’s first term. Too bad, so sad Neda Agha-Soltan’s still dead.

But, his hands are clean because you know, he didn’t do anything.

Fast forward to Syria after Egypt, Libya and Bahrain all got egged into taking up ams against their governments and falling into utter disarray because the obama administration was afraid of (or supported) radical Islam; take your pick.

Now they’ve actively supplied the Syrian rebels in aid and arms and talked tough to Assad’s government, erm, right up to not supporting them much and pulling back from threats to the Syrian government because obama is scared shitless of Russia. (We miss you too, Ronny) What we are left with is a rebel force increasingly turning to AQ and radical Islam. Several coalitions of rebels have just recently stated that because the US and the West is turning their back on them, they’ll turn their back on the West. We will replace a dictator with another radical Muslim terrorist state.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-backed-syrian-rebels-in-disarray-at-qatar-conference-2/5310815

hawkdriver on December 8, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Obama’s Arab spring is now winter.

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 10:08 AM

In my yard at springtime, if I don’t spread some weed and feed, all I get is weeds.

And just like in my yard, nobody in the Obama admin thought it would be necessary to help the “lawn” in the Middle East with a judicious application of “fertilizer”.

BobMbx on December 8, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Send Code Pink into monitor the demonstrations!

Drill and Fill on December 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Why not send Laura Logan?

Oh wait……her Arab Spring experience doesn’t fit the intended message, so lets pass on that. Hey…where’s Christianne Amanpour when you need her?

BobMbx on December 8, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Morsi probably has already identified a safe haven if he needs to flee with his life. Don’t let the door hit you, Islamofascist. Maybe you and Assad can be roommates.

Philly on December 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM

It may be productive to drop a bunch of pamphlets in Tahrir Square that describe the last 48 hours of the life of Nicolae Ceaușescu.

BobMbx on December 8, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Hey, where are all the trolls acknowledging Obama’s ownership of this debacle?

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM

The outcome is really dependent on who is in charge of the military: A power-hungry Egyptian, or a power-hungry Islamist. Here’s to hoping it’s Egypt for the Egyptians.

Mutnodjmet on December 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Don’t they realize Obama got re-elected?

JellyToast on December 8, 2012 at 11:09 AM

I’m not convinced that regardless of the outcome these folks won’t have a dictator as the head of their country in a year. Can we give them Obama, he likes to run every aspect of people’s lives and they seem very comfortable with that.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 11:10 AM

In other news:

White House tweets photo of president’s massive bong hit in Burma
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/07/white-house-tweets-photo-of-presidents-massive-bong-hit-in-burma/

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Egyptian military faces moment of truth

This is no moment of truth, this is just another day for Islam. Sorry Ed, you seem about as clueless as the entire Obama Administration sometimes. These protests are not what you think they are.

Why the Obama Administration keeps misreading the Arab spring.

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I’m not convinced that regardless of the outcome these folks won’t have a dictator as the head of their country in a year. Can we give them Obama, he likes to run every aspect of people’s lives and they seem very comfortable with that.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Should that be a trade for a Leader that supports Liberty to be named later or just a gift to the people’s of Egypt?

I’m all for that kind of generosity, but we could try to get something in return – maybe some Egyptian beer?

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM

The Egyptian Army, even after Mubarak, is still composed of citizen soldiers from all over Egypt, all integrated into all types of units. No “tribal” distinctions as was the case in Libya.

A good thing or bad thing?

Well, ever since the Suez War back in 1956, the Egyptian military has been a glue of sorts that bound the nation together. Even in defeat (the various wars with Israel) the individual soldiers and even lower rank officers were not blamed, not one bit. Up until Mubarak left, the Army was seen as a cut above the rest, serving the nation. Essentially “saving” the nation.

The cops, on the other hand, and now this Morsi “presidential guard” not so much.

I’d look for a Colonel-inspired revolt, a coup, long before I’d see the Egyptian Army wholesale turn against the very people it is an integral part of.

maybe some Egyptian beer?

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM

One of bits of Egypt I miss. Stella beer is actually very very good.

If the MB “wins” Stella loses. [And so do a lot of beer aficionados.]

coldwarrior on December 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Is the military loyal enough to me to shoot civilians in the streets?

This is a question Obama has asked himself. I believe that he’s planning accordingly.

disa on December 8, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Exactly. “Major General: Why Are Domestic Government Agencies Purchashing Enough Lethal Ammunition to Put 5 Rounds In Every American?” http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-20/major-general-why-are-domestic-government-agencies-purchashing-enough-lethal-

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM

rogerb on December 8, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Please never go away.

BigWyo on December 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Egypt’s President Mohamed Mursi, facing street protests over his attempts to push through a new constitution, will soon authorise the armed forces to help police keep order, the state-run newspaper al-Ahram reported on Saturday.

The daily said the cabinet had approved a legal measure under which the armed forces would help “maintain security and protect vital state institutions” and would be given powers of arrest, but did not say when it would be issued

…our state-run media…is ALL voluntary!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 11:37 AM

rogerb on December 8, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Please never go away.

BigWyo on December 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM

…ditto that comment!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM

One of bits of Egypt I miss. Stella beer is actually very very good.

If the MB “wins” Stella loses. [And so do a lot of beer aficionados.]

coldwarrior on December 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I’m all for that kind of trade – Beer for Obama – it has a nice ring to it.

Although I doubt the Egyptians will want to trade one posturing egomaniac for another.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:41 AM

In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public. http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-20/major-general-why-are-domestic-government-agencies-purchashing-enough-lethal-

That doesn’t include the ammo purchased by other agencies.

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:41 AM

To any Mohammedan, Obama is an apostate.

Can’t think of a single country in the world today who would want Obama as their leader.

How we got him…therein is the $64,000 question.

coldwarrior on December 8, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Is the military loyal enough to me to shoot civilians in the streets?

This is a question Obama has asked himself. I believe that he’s planning accordingly.

disa on December 8, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Exactly. “Major General: Why Are Domestic Government Agencies Purchashing Enough Lethal Ammunition to Put 5 Rounds In Every American?” http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-20/major-general-why-are-domestic-government-agencies-purchashing-enough-lethal-

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM

One little hitch in the ‘training excuse’ the government will try to use – JHP ammo tends to be much more costly than range ammo like FMJ rounds.

So, either they are either wasting OUR money or….

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Yes on the beer, I don’t know about the leader part, you know how we hate specifics here.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I think the army is also aware that Morsi has intentions of usng hem against Israel. He believes Israel’s difficulties dealing with Hamas and Hezbollah demonstrates their militay’s weakness. The Egyptian military knows that the IDF can obliterate a conventional military opponent in the blink of an eye and they have the scars to prove it. The don’t want to go to war with Israel again, especially as there is no credible ally to help as Syria and Jordan had done in the past. They may hold back their help to Morsi until they are absolutely assured he has no plans to use the army against Israel.

xkaydet65 on December 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Yes on the beer, I don’t know about the leader part, you know how we hate specifics here.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I’d say Obama has to be worth a couple of kegs, maybe more.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:51 AM

So, either they are either wasting OUR money or….

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S.

***
Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.

What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-20/major-general-why-are-domestic-government-agencies-purchashing-enough-lethal-

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Well, it has been a transparent transition at least. They have got that going for them.

BL@KBIRD on December 8, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Pic of the Day: To Obama, From Egypt…With Love

“Obama, Your B!tch Is Our Dictator”

Resist We Much on December 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Resist We Much on December 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Awesome!

coldwarrior on December 8, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Morsi’s day’s are numbered, IMO. His smart play is to leave now, while he still can.

This is a question Obama has asked himself. I believe that he’s planning accordingly.

disa on December 8, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Some will, some won’t.

dogsoldier on December 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.

What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-20/major-general-why-are-domestic-government-agencies-purchashing-enough-lethal-

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Of course, that was more of a rhetorical question because it’s a win-win for the government – they can do both and get ready for their oppressive agenda.

Why does the Social Security Administration (SSA) need that much ammo?

SSA… how historically ironic.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-20/major-general-why-are-domestic-government-agencies-purchashing-enough-lethal-

davidk on December 8, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Tangent: There is so much fail in this it kind of undermines my faith in zero hedge.

HPs are standard issue for law enforcement for good reasons you can look up for yourself. People really need to stop it with the ‘killer bullet’ meme – this was hashed out decades ago when the NYPD went to HPs.

As for the RFP, it is an RFP.

As for the Geneva Conventions, that is incorrect. The Hague Convention of 1899 banned expanding projectiles for small arms. With advances in technology that ban really isn’t particularly relevant in terms of effectiveness.

There’s some serious tin foil ass-hattery around all this. The giveaway is a) people not understanding what a JHP is and b) not understanding government RFPs.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

SSA… how historically ironic.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Could be the start of Solyent Green.

chemman on December 8, 2012 at 12:36 PM

You got to love Obama’s Arab Spring.

Has there ever been a bigger Fool in Chief?

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM

I truly believe that the day I’m inaugurated, not only the country looks at itself differently, but the world looks at America differently…If I’m reaching out to the Muslim world they understand that I’ve lived in a Muslim country and I may be a Christian, but I also understand their point of view…My sister is half-Indonesian. I traveled there all the way through my college years. And so I’m intimately concerned with what happens in these countries and the cultures and perspective these folks have. And those are powerful tools for us to be able to reach out to the world…then I think the world will have confidence that I am listening to them and that our future and our security is tied up with our ability to work with other countries in the world that will ultimately makes us safer…”

- Barack Obama, 21 November 2007

NOT.

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Above should have been in quotes, courtesy of the great RWM.

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Hah, just realized that RWM had been here already. Better to laugh at the Fool more often than not at all.

Mock such stupidity, 24/7.

Obama makes Carter look very smart.

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2012 at 12:46 PM

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

RFP: Request for Proposal.

When an RFP goes out it is not a purchase order it is a request for organizations/manufacturers to respond back with particulars to fill that proposal. i.e. step one in the bidding process. The question still is why do these agencies need to have commitments from manufacturers to fill ammunition orders of that magnitude?

Since I have progeny that works for DHS (Border Patrol) I can understand some of the DHS RFP. 1.5 billion rounds though seems an order or 2 of magnitude to large.

chemman on December 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Which are more costly? JHPs or FMJ?

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Afternoon, Schad!

If these Syrian kids are still alive, I’d like to get their thoughts on Obama’s “red lines”….

Obama, The Weak Ass

Resist We Much on December 8, 2012 at 12:51 PM

The question still is why do these agencies need to have commitments from manufacturers to fill ammunition orders of that magnitude?

Since I have progeny that works for DHS (Border Patrol) I can understand some of the DHS RFP. 1.5 billion rounds though seems an order or 2 of magnitude to large.

chemman on December 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I wonder as to the amounts those agencies have purchased in the past, does anyone have a read on that?

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I’ll see if I can get additional information from my daughter re DHS. She may or may not be able to access it. But in either case it may take awhile. If I do I’ll post to you.

chemman on December 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM

chemman on December 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM

If you are a large organization putting out an RFP you want to ensure a range of things that are spelt out as your critical success factors.

In this case they could be:

Financial Stability – Is the company financially stable and likely to remain so?
Geo political stability – Is this company foreign or heavily invested in foreign assets etc.
Capacity – Can thee company flex to meet changing capacity
Quality Control
Sourcing
Headline costs.

If you’re the government you’d put out an RFP for 1.5 billion JHPs, in the same way that you’d put out an RFP for 250,000 SUVs…

As for which costs more to procure (JHP vs FMJ)- at these volumes it is a wash.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 1:01 PM

There’s some serious tin foil ass-hattery around all this. The giveaway is a) people not understanding what a JHP is and b) not understanding government RFPs.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

When your government arms drug lords and terrorists, get’s it’s own citizens killed doing so, covers up and lies about doing so, the question for any and every sane rational individual ceases to be, “Am I paranoid” and becomes, “Am I paranoid enough”.

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 1:01 PM

By the way, an RFP is emphatically not a commitment. It’s a stage in procurement designed to shorten what is (hopefully) already your short list.

POs are right towards the end of the procurement lifecycle…

Two very different instruments that should not be confused.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I’ll see if I can get additional information from my daughter re DHS. She may or may not be able to access it. But in either case it may take awhile. If I do I’ll post to you.

chemman on December 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Thank you kindly, that would be highly indicative of the governments intentions.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 1:12 PM

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

When your government arms drug lords and terrorists, get’s it’s own citizens killed doing so, covers up and lies about doing so, the question for any and every sane rational individual ceases to be, “Am I paranoid” and becomes, “Am I paranoid enough”.

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

The rule should be that once they’ve lied like that they are no longer trustworthy.

They can stow the ‘trust us’ meme given the corruption and lies they’ve perpetrated so far.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM

But that had yet to be tested in the crucible of a popular revolt, and now Morsi faces the same question every struggling dictator ends up asking: Is the military loyal enough to me to shoot civilians in the streets?

Mubarak had his military. However, the nation is majority islamist. While there are large numbers of non islamist protesting, they are a minority

If the military backs off from ‘crowd control’ they will be very lonely in that country. Saddam Hussein’s loyal soldiers had similar problem

The breaking point will come when the soldiers decide they want their families to live in Egypt. If so, they will either have to resign, or do crowd control. In the long run, they will probably have to get religion big time to make up for this period of ‘disloyalty’ to the new islamists

The biggest question is: do the new islamists fear Obama would cut off their money chain if they took down the minority?

I know what I would think. If Obama was willing to fund the Muslim Brotherhood, and move to rehabilitate their world reputation, I would guess he would not turn his money laden back on the Brotherhood, should the Brotherhood mount a cleanup operation of dissidents. A couple of tut-tuts and the Bammer would re start the money wagon, to ‘help the children’.

entagor on December 8, 2012 at 1:21 PM

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

The rule should be that once they’ve lied like that they are no longer trustworthy.

They can stow the ‘trust us’ meme given the corruption and lies they’ve perpetrated so far.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Very true, now ask yourself this. IF this were the Sarah Palin administration, would the Fifth Column Treasonous Media or the Democrats have given her administration the pass they have given the Obama administration? Would they be asking the very same questions of the governments purchase of more ammunition for DHS and SSA then the US Military asks for to fight 2 on going conflicts?

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM

However, the nation is majority islamist.
entagor on December 8, 2012 at 1:21 PM

No, but the Islamists MB and Salaafists are organized. They have had community organizers for a long time, in the same way Hamas and Hezbollah have. In fact the community organizer element might be why Barky is such a fawning fan (j/k…maybe).

The US demanded an instant election and didn’t allow an opposition to radical Islam to organize itself. These riots are mostly composed of people who are not Islamists and certainly didn’t want to change out on Tyrant for another who claims Allah is his only master.

CorporatePiggy on December 8, 2012 at 1:26 PM

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

The rule should be that once they’ve lied like that they are no longer trustworthy.

They can stow the ‘trust us’ meme given the corruption and lies they’ve perpetrated so far.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Very true, now ask yourself this. IF this were the Sarah Palin administration, would the Fifth Column Treasonous Media or the Democrats have given her administration the pass they have given the Obama administration? Would they be asking the very same questions of the governments purchase of more ammunition for DHS and SSA then the US Military asks for to fight 2 on going conflicts?

SWalker on December 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Hahahahahaha!…… excuse me.

I think most people know the answer to that question.

Sandy should be Obama’s Katrina – it wasn’t.

Holder should have been run out on a rail for supplying Guns to drug cartel gangsters

Obama should be impeached over Benghazigate.

Teflon doesn’t have nutthin on the dear liar and his ability to escape blame for the economy, the Middle East turmoil, and all the corruption within his regime.

Galt2009 on December 8, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Silence of the GOP.

the_nile on December 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM

This is a question Obama has asked himself. I believe that he’s planning accordingly.

disa on December 8, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Don’t quote me on this but I’m pretty sure all the Joint Chiefs are now Obama appointees, and probably the bulk of all three and four stars, and I think it’s safe to say their main qualification wasn’t being Warrior Generals as yet again demonstrated by the Silence of the Sheeples, re Benghazi.

VorDaj on December 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM

The army in Egypt has called for dialogue to resolve a crisis over President Mohammed Morsi’s new powers, warning it will intervene to stop Egypt going into “a dark tunnel”.

In its first statement since protests erupted, it vowed to protect public institutions and innocent people. The army statement was read on Egyptian TV by a spokesman.

“The armed forces affirm that dialogue is the best and only way to reach consensus,” it added.

“The opposite of that will bring us to a dark tunnel that will result in catastrophe and that is something we will not allow.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20651896

That sounds like a pretty strong statement and some division among the Army.

bluefox on December 8, 2012 at 3:17 PM

How we got him…therein is the $64,000 question.

coldwarrior on December 8, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Affirmative action.

[Which, of course, resulted in the same outcome as it always does.]

Solaratov on December 8, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Obama’s silence on Morsi’s power grab is a sign of acceptance..he is once again not siding with protesters again tyrants..he was all for for the Arab Spring orginally because he know the Muslim Brotherhood was the most powerful, organized political party and he knew they would go into power after Mubarak..now because he supports them fully he will stay silent..not talk about freedom of religion and minorities rights..that stuff no longer matters..what a disgrace of an ‘american’ he is..and i still have doubts he is a natural born american also

sadsushi on December 8, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Is there anyone left in Egypt’s military? I thought all the officers decamped to London.

cthulhu on December 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM

The Iranian mullahs got an affirmative answer to that question in the summer of 2009

I could be wrong here – but I don’t remember any Iranian GENERAL MILITARY units shooting at civilians in Iran.

What I seem to recall – is that the Supreme Leader relied overwhelmingly on “Basjii” … his civilian paramilitaries who are just as fanatical as he is.

Iran seemingly had the luxury of throwing loyal guys at the protesters – while allowing those who’s loyalty was questioned … to stay home and not be called upon to respond to the protests.

HondaV65 on December 8, 2012 at 5:22 PM

The Egyptian military never really sided with “the people” (whatever that means in a country like Egypt). They’re looking out for themselves, and they’ve decided that their interests and the protester’s interests coincide. That may seem like a distinction without a difference now, but it will matter a lot going forward.

As to whether or not they’ll shoot the protesters; I say if they wouldn’t do it do Mubarak, they sure as hell won’t do it for Morsi.

Mahna Mahna on December 9, 2012 at 12:21 PM