Video: Right-to-work bills pass in Michigan, Snyder vows to sign

posted at 12:11 pm on December 7, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

And the union activists descended on the capitol in Lansing, singing chants that may have been original when unions first made their appearance in Michigan.  The Associated Press reports on the anger last night as the Michigan legislature rapidly passed the bills that will stop the state from forcing people to pay union dues, except in first-responder jobs in the police and fire departments, as Erika previewed in yesterday’s post.  Union activists attempted to turn Lansing into another Madison, but failed miserably:

The Detroit News reports on the stunning loss for unions on their home turf.  However, the loss isn’t final, as the two chambers have to pass two of the bills again on Tuesday.  Union activists are hoping to stop that from happening, but the outlook is grim:

The birthplace of the nation’s modern-day labor movement moved closer to becoming the nation’s 24th right-to-work state after bills Gov. Rick Snyder vowed to sign into law passed their first hurdles in the Republican-controlled Legislature on Thursday.

The House and Senate each passed bills on the same day they were introduced that give private and public sector workers the right to avoid paying union dues in an organized workplace. Only police officers and firefighters would be exempt.

The package can’t reach final completion until at least Tuesday because of procedural rules that require a five-day layover for two of the bills before they can be voted on in the other chamber.

That gives opponents more time to lobby against the legislation, like they did Thursday starting in the early morning when word spread the bills would be introduced, to late evening when the Senate finally adjourned.

Republicans have 64 seats in the House, and only need 56 to pass it.  Next year, they will still control the legislature but with reduced majorities.  That prompted the legislature to act in the lame-duck session, and they did — rapidly.  The bills did not go through the committee process but instead came directly to the floor, probably to avoid the scenes that everyone saw in Madison two years ago.

The comments in the video are interesting.  Union activists argue at the same time that the bill will destroy workers’ rights, and that workers shouldn’t have the right to choose whether to financially support the union.  This is utter nonsense, which is why right-to-work legislation has grown popular even in Rust Belt states, or perhaps more to the point, particularly in Rust Belt states.

Unions understand what real worker choice means.  It means a steep decline in dues payments, which will severely limit the ability of unions to play kingmaker in politics, essentially controlling both sides of the bargaining table when it comes to public-sector labor negotiations.  Don’t expect them to give that up easily between now and Tuesday, when the legislature needs to give right-to-work changes one final push to get them to Snyder’s desk.  It’s going to get ugly in Lansing.


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When you hear the union bosses and their sad minions whining about this, ask them why Detroit is going into bankruptcy.
 

ignatzk on December 7, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Pigs do fly.

they lie on December 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Elections have consequences, you spoiled brats !
The Michigan VOTERS granted them the right to introduce/pass this sort of legislation !!!
There are NO responsible conservative efforts that could possibly make the conditions in my home state WORSE than they are after decades of liberal/dem mismanagement ! Try these new things, and find out !!
Pardon my language, but just go STFU and live with it.
We have to.

pambi on December 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM

I lived in Detroit when union thugs were dumping nails on the highways in front of newspaper delivery trucks driven by non-union drivers.

Seriously, these goons had no regard for any of the innocent drivers behind the trucks.

patman77 on December 7, 2012 at 12:20 PM

And the lsm is defending the unions
Oh the bashing of this legislature
The audacity

Heh

cmsinaz on December 7, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Union activists: “We stand for forced unions and union dues! Freedom for the people”!

darwin on December 7, 2012 at 12:21 PM

This is really interesting…Workers have right, if and only if they pay union dues.

I guess it’s been ok for the union to determine who has a job and who starves. Maybe the greedy unions have finally crossed the threshold of Big Business.

belad on December 7, 2012 at 12:22 PM

There’s hope yet

right of the dial on December 7, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Forward!

22044 on December 7, 2012 at 12:23 PM

The injunctions and stays come next.

M240H on December 7, 2012 at 12:23 PM

One needn’t look any further than Indiana to see that passing this legislation is the right thing to do. Detroit is about to file for bankruptcy, for pete’s sake. How much clearer can it get that these unions are economy killers?

Murf76 on December 7, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Damn, and here I thought the good folks of Detroit were
asking for BACON!

ToddPA on December 7, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I expect the union rank and file is real pleased with its “leadership” for pushing that referendum this fall.

Karma. It’s what’s for dinner.

Wethal on December 7, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Unions are for Soviets.

hatecraft on December 7, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Union activists attempted to turn Lansing into another Madison, but failed miserably.

Madison was Madtown because of the unviersity with 40,000+ students, as well as faculty and staff, to turn out for demonstrations.

Wethal on December 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I hope Snyder can start his car from yards away in the event those union thugs does something really nasty to it! It might be a good idea to have a food taster and a good security bunch also?

These union thugs have been known to do harm to people to make a point.
L

letget on December 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM

So Michigan and a Republican Governor House and Senate.

Meanwhile Mitt Romney lost big there.

Come on folks there is something wrong with the GOP leadership to not take advantage of what works.

Steveangell on December 7, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Who hold the majority in Michigan Supreme Court? If Democrats do, say bye-bye to the law. If they don’t, expect at least 2-3 years of injunctions and other delays from the law-giving donks in robes.

Archivarix on December 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

This does NOT end collective bargaining; it only precludes forcing people to pay dues. A far lesser law than Wisconsin, though still a big hit.

michaelo on December 7, 2012 at 12:34 PM

They exempted police and fire–maybe that’s why Prop 32 in CA failed. Leave them out next time, folks, and you may have a winner.

I sued my public employee union years ago and the Court ruled, like Courts always do, that you have to pay a small amount to help pay for legit union activities but not for political action. So my dues were reduced to 1/5 of what the union charged me originally.

PattyJ on December 7, 2012 at 12:34 PM

If he signs it I will start to favor him. For the last two years he has been against “Right to Work.” It has been the biggest reason that I didn’t care for him as my governor.

Conservative4Ever on December 7, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Unions are un-American.

beatcanvas on December 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Madison was Madtown because of the unviersity with 40,000+ students, as well as faculty and staff, to turn out for demonstrations.

Wethal on December 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Michigan State University is just down the road from Lansing. We all know MSU knows how to partcipate in a riot!

Conservative4Ever on December 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM

ROFL Too too funny.

The one dude in the hardhat, “I’m for everyone, man, not just for myself!” which is why everyone should be forced to be union.

Yeah ok.

Bishop on December 7, 2012 at 12:37 PM

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canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 12:37 PM

That video was only 1:46 long.We need a real long one so we can hear more of those same chants that go around these protest.They seem to work for the cause,right?

docflash on December 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM

************ Alert *******************

Democrats have a Tantrum-Fit!!(sarc)

Michigan Senate, House pass right-to-work bills, amid protests and walkout by Democrats – @freep

1 hour ago from http://www.freep.com by editor
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8:28 PM, December 6, 2012

http://www.freep.com/article/20121206/NEWS06/121206088/democrats-michigan-house-walk-off-vote-right-to-work-republicans

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Who hold the majority in Michigan Supreme Court? If Democrats do, say bye-bye to the law. If they don’t, expect at least 2-3 years of injunctions and other delays from the law-giving donks in robes.

Archivarix on December 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Wikipedia is your friend: 4-3 Good Guys

blammm on December 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Interesting that the police used Mace, if I remember correctly the police in Madison were on the side of the protesters.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I’m assuming the Dems will act like ours did in Indiana and leave the state in protest?

Tim Zank on December 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

docflash on December 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM

It’s not a protest unless there is a drum circle.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Ah, first breath of fresh air since Nov 6th.

I honestly dont understand how RTW has not been implemented in all states. Its a pretty straight forward law that people cant really argue against. If you want to be in a union great, if you dont want to be in a union, you cant be forced.

kage on December 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Wikipedia is your friend: 4-3 Good Guys

blammm on December 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Thanks, but according to the very same article in Wikipedia, unfortunately, Dems have it by 4-3. Read the article to the very end.

Archivarix on December 7, 2012 at 12:44 PM

I can not imagine having to boy to a union to have a job. It would make me ashamed to have to exist that way. My stent as a Teamster taught me that in my early 20′s. Getting tricked to join didn’t start me out in their favor either.

DanMan on December 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM

That video was only 1:46 long.We need a real long one so we can hear more of those same chants that go around these protest.They seem to work for the cause,right?

docflash on December 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM

docflash:You Rang:)
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Video:(1:20)

NBC News | Aired on December 07, 2012

Right-to-work protesters arrested, pepper-sprayed
Union supporters swarm Michigan’s state Capitol building after the House and Senate passed controversial right-to-vote legislation. WDIV’s Rod Meloni reports.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/50117856#50117856

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Thanks, but according to the very same article in Wikipedia, unfortunately, Dems have it by 4-3. Read the article to the very end.

Archivarix on December 7, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Disregard that. A Democrat replaces a Democrat. 4-3 for the Good Guys.

Archivarix on December 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM

I’m assuming the Dems will act like ours did in Indiana and leave the state in protest?

Tim Zank on December 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Remember this?

22044 on December 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Lt. Gov. Brian Calley repeatedly gaveled for order during the Senate debate as Democrats attacked the legislation to applause from protesters in the galley. At one point, a man shouted, “Heil Hitler! Heil Hitler! That’s what you people are.”

HAHAHAHAHA

Heil Hitler? If ever there were evidence of a unionized public school education, this would be it.

Bishop on December 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

I’m assuming the Dems will act like ours did in Indiana and leave the state in protest?
Tim Zank on December 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

I wouldn’t matter. The Pubs have enough for a quorum all on their own.

tommyboy on December 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Archivarix on December 7, 2012 at 12:44 PM

As of the 2012 election, the court is headed by a 4-3 conservative Republican majority, with Robert P. Young, Jr. serving as Chief Justice.

I think you read Marilyn Kelly as Mary Beth Kelly and thought that a Republican was replaced by a Democrat. Marilyn, the one who retired, was a Democrat.

blammm on December 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Interesting that the police used Mace, if I remember correctly the police in Madison were on the side of the protesters.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Cindy Munford:I apologize for my tardy responses,I have to grand
children,running me ragged,and it looks like a busy
news day…..a tad sigh!:)

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM

It’s damn irritating that Indiana and Michigan have come so far on the RTW path while we in Ohio, despite having a Republican governor and legislature, are nowhere near to having RTW legislature even written.

Bitter Clinger on December 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Yeah, Michigan needs more unions. Just like Deeeee-troit does.

GarandFan on December 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Another reason why real conservatives should focus on state houses.

MoreLiberty on December 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM

I’m assuming the Dems will act like ours did in Indiana and leave the state in protest?

Tim Zank on December 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

What a joy that would be. I wonder if we could get them to leave Missouri.

STL_Vet on December 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM

If the republicans were smart (they aren’t) they would be using this to stir up trouble and build a wedge between the Unions and Obama.

portlandon on December 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I honestly dont understand how RTW has not been implemented in all states. Its a pretty straight forward law that people cant really argue against. If you want to be in a union great, if you dont want to be in a union, you cant be forced.

kage on December 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM

It’s the “forced” part that unions feel they need to survive.

Bitter Clinger on December 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

This is Michigan, so that means every single significant legislative issue ends up on the ballot as a state constitutional amendment. And all it takes to get this or any other issue on the ballot as a constitutional amendment is a petition drive. As an example this last election we had 6 amendment votes on the ballot (they all failed). As a result of this the Michigan constitution has been amended 31 times since 1964 (current constitution dates back to 1963). And that is counting only the successful amendments, not all ballot initiatives. That means this issue won’t be truly settled until the people vote on it.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Eh, enjoy the grandbabies, liberals, unfortunately, are forever.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I think my new charicature of a (willing) union member will be Madame Obamaphone.

Jeddite on December 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Michigan likely to go “right-to-work;” protestors hit Capitol (PHOTOS, AUDIO, VIDEO)
Dec 6 2012
***********

The Michigan Republican Party posted this video of the union protestors who were arrested at the state Capitol. The AP reports the protestors tried rush past two troopers guarding the Senate door earlier today. Troopers say chemical spray was used on the protestors after they refused orders to stop.(more…)

*Union Protesters Arrested:Video

*The Detroit Free Press has this video of the protests inside the Capitol:Video
===============

http://www.michiganradio.org/post/michigan-likely-go-right-work-protestors-hit-capitol-photos-audio-video

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

It’s the “forced” part that unions feel they need to survive.

Bitter Clinger on December 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Money is political power. With the loss of membership that comes from the RTW laws comes cuts in union staff, and cuts in the money available to influence politics.

STL_Vet on December 7, 2012 at 12:54 PM

This is Michigan, so that means every single significant legislative issue ends up on the ballot as a state constitutional amendment. And all it takes to get this or any other issue on the ballot as a constitutional amendment is a petition drive.

Nope, it started in the State House as an Apportionment Bill, which means it can’t be put up as a ballot.

sentinelrules on December 7, 2012 at 12:55 PM

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canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 12:55 PM

I think my new charicature of a (willing) union member will be Madame Obamaphone.

Jeddite on December 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Heh
Out: Peggy Joseph
In: Madame Obamaphone

22044 on December 7, 2012 at 12:57 PM

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Eh, enjoy the grandbabies, liberals, unfortunately, are forever.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Cindy Munford:

LMAO,why yes,they never stop producing the RATS/Libs,
otay,nap time,….this will be interesting,(1 and 2 year olds)
——————have a great day Cindy:)

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Madison was Madtown because of the unviersity with 40,000+ students, as well as faculty and staff, to turn out for demonstrations.

Wethal on December 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Well, wait a minute. Lansing is at the doorstep of Michigan State University. One has to ask why didn’t Lansing turn into Madison then? Maybe our college students are, gasp, smarter? Or more disengaged. I’m just glad it didn’t get any worse.

totherightofthem on December 7, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Nope, it started in the State House as an Apportionment Bill, which means it can’t be put up as a ballot.

sentinelrules on December 7, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Sorry, but Michigan has an initiation provision in our constitution for amending our constitution. This is why we always have so many amendments on our ballots every election. This issue is going to end up on our ballot, period.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Who hold the majority in Michigan Supreme Court? If Democrats do, say bye-bye to the law. If they don’t, expect at least 2-3 years of injunctions and other delays from the law-giving donks in robes.

Archivarix on December 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

They don’t. We managed to keep control of the Court out of dem hands and one of their justices is facing serious legal problems of her own over a mortgage fraud scheme.

totherightofthem on December 7, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I think my new charicature of a (willing) union member will be Madame Obamaphone.

Jeddite on December 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM

only one problem there, that looney Obamaphone thing would never associate itself with anything resembling work. It’s a parasite dangling from the body of people that actually earn a living…

RedInMD on December 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

This does NOT end collective bargaining; it only precludes forcing people to pay dues. A far lesser law than Wisconsin, though still a big hit.

michaelo on December 7, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Correct. Snyder wasn’t pushing for this until the union thugs decided to put it to a test via a failed ballot measure that would have changed our constitution to forever bar this type of law from being enacted. Guess he got a bit miffed. Joke’s on them.

totherightofthem on December 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Sorry, but Michigan has an initiation provision in our constitution for amending our constitution. This is why we always have so many amendments on our ballots every election. This issue is going to end up on our ballot, period.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Unless that is something different, but I am reading other things.

A $1 million appropriation was tacked onto the bills for what a House spokesman described as implementation and worker education activities. Spending bills are legally protected from being overturned by statewide referendums.

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sentinelrules on December 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM

That means this issue won’t be truly settled until the people vote on it.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

We just did. We voted the measure down that would have amended our constitution to prevent just this sort of RTW legislation from ever being passed. This had better end it. I’m sick of the world trying to amend our constitution at the drop of a hat.

totherightofthem on December 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Wikipedia is your friend: 4-3 Good Guys

blammm on December 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

With all due respect, sometimes the guys you think are good don’t turn out to be the good guys.

reddevil on December 7, 2012 at 1:07 PM

sentinelrules on December 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Making it a spending bill does not stop a constitutional amendment. It may stop a veto referendum, but not a constitutional referendum. A constitutional petition has no relationship to standing legislation other then what ratifying it might do to standing legislation. It is a simple petition to put an amendment on the ballot.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 1:09 PM

We just did. We voted the measure down that would have amended our constitution to prevent just this sort of RTW legislation from ever being passed. This had better end it. I’m sick of the world trying to amend our constitution at the drop of a hat.

totherightofthem on December 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM

This is Michigan, you should know better. We will see this on the ballot again. This time it will be an amendment to prevent Michigan from becoming a right to work state. The last ballot initiative concerning this issue was much more pernicious. This time around they will instead try to preserve the current status quo.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Court will halt the whole thing.

It’s the permanent branch of the Progressives in government.

PappyD61 on December 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

For one, I’m extremely pleased to watch the goonies being kept out of the state house !!
Of course, THEY claim they’re being silenced !! LOL !
They’re merely being prevented from tearing the place apart and causing the rest of the citizens to pay for it’s restoration. Good on ya, there, MI !
Poor poor sniveling babies.

pambi on December 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

All that money the unions spendt getting Obama elected didnt help much

lea on December 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM

This is Michigan, you should know better. We will see this on the ballot again. This time it will be an amendment to prevent Michigan from becoming a right to work state. The last ballot initiative concerning this issue was much more pernicious. This time around they will instead try to preserve the current status quo.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

*sigh* I fear you are right, but hope you are wrong. It might just be that those on the west side of the state are going to prevail and sanity will return. I know the goal has been to move the “heart” of the state west from Detroit and its environs for a while now. Perhaps it’s time to do just that. We won the issue in November and it’s important that we keep winning against these progressive vampires. The b*stards don’t give up. There’s a reason I call Detroit “Sunnydale”, you know.

totherightofthem on December 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Court will halt the whole thing.

It’s the permanent branch of the Progressives in government.

PappyD61 on December 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Not our Supreme Court in Michigan.

totherightofthem on December 7, 2012 at 1:18 PM

And the union activists descended on the capitol in Lansing, singing chants…

“We work hard, but who’s complaining!”

yubley on December 7, 2012 at 1:18 PM

I doubt any of this would have happened had the unions not backed and actively campaigned for Prop 2 this fall, which would have enshrined union bargaining rights into Michigan’s Constitution. The unions pushed for this hard, despite Governor Snyder’s pledge to not bring RTW legislation to his desk. A promise he kept for over 2 years. So the unions pretty much said f*ck you, and now its payback.

The unions also cynically asked its members not to vote on Proposal 6, which would have blocked the building of the new bridge to Canada in exchange for Matty Moroun’s implicit financial support of Proposal 2. Never mind that build a new bridge is going to bring a ton of new construction( and therefore union) jobs to the Detroit metro area.

I live and work in Michigan and was fairly agnostic about the whole RTW – Union thing, but Prop 2 angered me and tilted my support for RTW. The UAW is always going on about how unions protect ‘working families’ and if RWT passes, not only will union members suffer, but so will everyone else. Too bad that everyone can see with their own eyes what the unions have done to Michigan’s economy. I don’t know what effect RTW will have, but it can’t be any worse than what unions have brought us to.

Chest_Rockwell on December 7, 2012 at 1:21 PM

I blame Mitt Romney

myiq2xu on December 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Interesting that the police used Mace, if I remember correctly the police in Madison were on the side of the protesters.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Correct. The police in greedy-unions looked the other way when greedy-union protesters in Wisconsin assaulted the other side and broke other laws.

That’s the problem with letting police join greedy-unions, in disputes over greedy-unions like this, you can’t trust them to enforce the law.

In California: Police Unions Cross Line While Bullying Public Officials

slickwillie2001 on December 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Only to be overturned by a left wing judge.

pat on December 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Who hold the majority in Michigan Supreme Court? If Democrats do, say bye-bye to the law. If they don’t, expect at least 2-3 years of injunctions and other delays from the law-giving donks in robes.

Archivarix on December 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Wikipedia is your friend: 4-3 Good Guys

blammm on December 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

If little Bammie can continue to stack the USSC with wise-latina-types I expect an attack on RTW will come. They will look through the Bill of Rights for emanations and penumbrae that allow them to strike down state RTW’s as unconstitutional.

slickwillie2001 on December 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

This is Michigan, so that means every single significant legislative issue ends up on the ballot as a state constitutional amendment. And all it takes to get this or any other issue on the ballot as a constitutional amendment is a petition drive. As an example this last election we had 6 amendment votes on the ballot (they all failed). As a result of this the Michigan constitution has been amended 31 times since 1964 (current constitution dates back to 1963). And that is counting only the successful amendments, not all ballot initiatives. That means this issue won’t be truly settled until the people vote on it.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Except for budget bills…this one includes, I believe, $1 mil to educate workers about their rights. I do not believe it can be placed on the ballot.

I read that in another article. I will search and try to post a link.

Also, wasn’t there a ballot measure that would have banned passing RTW by modifying the state constitution that failed in Nov?

weaselyone on December 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

This is Michigan, so that means every single significant legislative issue ends up on the ballot as a state constitutional amendment. And all it takes to get this or any other issue on the ballot as a constitutional amendment is a petition drive. As an example this last election we had 6 amendment votes on the ballot (they all failed). As a result of this the Michigan constitution has been amended 31 times since 1964 (current constitution dates back to 1963). And that is counting only the successful amendments, not all ballot initiatives. That means this issue won’t be truly settled until the people vote on it.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

USA Today:

A $1 million appropriation was tacked onto the bills for what a House spokesman described as implementation and worker education activities. Spending bills are legally protected from being overturned by statewide referendums.

weaselyone on December 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

When you hear the union bosses and their sad minions whining about this, ask them why Detroit is going into bankruptcy.

ignatzk on December 7, 2012 at 12:18 PM

How much would we have to pay Canada to allow us to move the US border so they could take over Detroit? Make it part of Windsor.

slickwillie2001 on December 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM

State and local governments all around the closed shop states are going bankrupt because the unions have asked more than the stressed private sector can support. Now having killed the goose that layed the golden eggs, the unions denounce the dead goose as heartless.

KW64 on December 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Except for budget bills…this one includes, I believe, $1 mil to educate workers about their rights. I do not believe it can be placed on the ballot.

I read that in another article. I will search and try to post a link.

weaselyone on December 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

That doesn’t stop a constitutional referendum. A constitutional referendum does not address specific legislation. What it may stop is a veto referendum.

Also, wasn’t there a ballot measure that would have banned passing RTW by modifying the state constitution that failed in Nov?

It was much worse than that.

A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION
REGARDING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
This proposal would:

Grant public and private employees the constitutional right to
organize and bargain collectively through labor unions.

Invalidate existing or future state or local laws that limit the
ability to join unions and bargain collectively, and to negotiate
financial support of their labor unions. Laws may be enacted to
and enforce collective bargaining agreements, including employees’
prohibit public employees from striking.

Override state laws that regulate hours and conditions of
employment to the extent that those laws conflict with collective
bargaining agreements.

Define “employer” as a person or entity employing one or more
employees.

NotCoach on December 7, 2012 at 1:42 PM

totherightofthem on December 7, 2012 at 12:59 PM

someone earlier pointed out MSU does know how to riot. but it may only be when basketball is involved.

chasdal on December 7, 2012 at 1:49 PM

someone earlier pointed out MSU does know how to riot. but it may only be when basketball is involved.

chasdal on December 7, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Priorities, you know. ;)

totherightofthem on December 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM

So that was what that noise was last night. Heads exploding all over the Great Lakes State!

Ha! When I was living in Michigan this was a perennially favorite horror story that good little commies told their children to scare them into thinking that they needed the unions in their lives. Right-to-work was one of those concepts that brought out the same tired pack of lies about the unions protecting the middle class.

I just never thought I’d see the day were Michigan actually followed through on pulling the plug on unions.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2012 at 2:07 PM

I doubt any of this would have happened had the unions not backed and actively campaigned for Prop 2 this fall, which would have enshrined union bargaining rights into Michigan’s Constitution. The unions pushed for this hard, despite Governor Snyder’s pledge to not bring RTW legislation to his desk. A promise he kept for over 2 years. So the unions pretty much said f*ck you, and now its payback.

The unions also cynically asked its members not to vote on Proposal 6, which would have blocked the building of the new bridge to Canada in exchange for Matty Moroun’s implicit financial support of Proposal 2. Never mind that build a new bridge is going to bring a ton of new construction( and therefore union) jobs to the Detroit metro area.

Chest_Rockwell on December 7, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Correct on both. The Gov was counting on a new bridge to divert promised traffic thru Michigan. But the pro-bridge group went and signed a ‘deal’ with Canadians and after the fact went all over talk radio dissing citizens who wanted a say in something as big as a bridge project. They implied opponents were ‘tards, because Canada would cover expenses.

However, it was a ‘deal’, not a Bill, and not a treaty, so the public correctly assumed the Canadian guarantees were not written in stone, and the Moroun crowd played the genuine grievance.
Meanwhile, it was the National unions who came into the state to force feed a rewrite of the Constitution to lock in unionism. The prior DEM governor got a law passed that people being subsidized to care for severely disabled adult family members at home (a savings for the State) would have SEIU dues taken from their state checks against their will. That law has garnered the union over 20 mil in dues from state tax money. That downright dirty deal played against the unions

I am glad we are going RTW. Unions in Michigan are vicious. Large size acquaintance yrs ago was approached by a boss type from notorious union and told “You look like someone who can break a few legs, how’d you like a job?”.

entagor on December 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM

someone earlier pointed out MSU does know how to riot. but it may only be when basketball is involved.

chasdal on December 7, 2012 at 1:49 PM

That’s not entirely true. The unions do a pretty good job of bussing in the “Obamaphone lady” type of protester to strut across the statehouse lawn in brightly colored tees.

The interesting thing is that the unions and MI Democrat party are pretty much one and the same. Becoming a right-to-work state changes some very fundamental dynamics in state politics. I’m sure even as we speak, the UAW and SEIU are having to talk members down off the ledge. Actually not having to belong to a union is something that is absolutely foreign and scary to many of these brainwashed souls.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Who hold the majority in Michigan Supreme Court?

Republicans 4 to 3 and one of the Democrats is under investigation for real estate fraud involving a short sale of her home to escape a six figure debt.

The new law has an appropriation attached to it and under Michigan law, spending bills cannot be overturned by a ballot proposal.

I suppose they could try another constitutional amendment but Prop 2 lost by 15 percentage points so that’s not likely to succeed either

Plenty of union members are fed up with their unions.

This will go into law and by the time the next elections roll around in 2014, people will see that it hasn’t brought back sweat shops.

The UAW and the rest of organized labor made a terrible strategic error by trying to pass Proposal 2, which was a naked power grab that would have gutted the Michigan constitution and all sorts of laws like FOIA to ensure accountability and transparency. Had they not made it an issue, the governor was content to not pass the legislation, figuring it would inflame unions, so at his direction the Senate majority leader was holding it up. Instead the UAW, AFSCME and SEIU played that card and lost by a landslide. That inspired conservatives in the Michigan legislature to take action and they had enough votes to change Senate leadership, so the governor relented.

rokemronnie on December 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM

What’s the reasoning behind exempting police & fire? I can’t see how letting them opt out of unions would diminish public safety. Is it just a compromise to get a modicum of union support for the bills? If so, it’s apparently not working.

KS Rex on December 7, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Lansing will be Crazytown for the foreseeable future. At one of our local news sources, MLive.com, the anti-RTW crowd is warning that this will mean the end of the middle class, and that Michigan will now become Mississippi. They don’t realize that these days Michigan has to look up to see Mississippi.

Dee2008 on December 7, 2012 at 2:37 PM

They exempted police and fire–maybe that’s why Prop 32 in CA failed. Leave them out next time, folks, and you may have a winner.

PattyJ

Why, do police and fire like being forced to pay union dues?

xblade on December 7, 2012 at 2:42 PM

And the lsm is defending the unions
Oh the bashing of this legislature
The audacity

Heh

cmsinaz on December 7, 2012 at 12:21 PM

They have to. Most of them are unionized. Printers, drivers, copyboys, editors, clerks, janitors, etc….

BobMbx on December 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Actually not having to belong to a union is something that is absolutely foreign and scary to many of these brainwashed souls.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Whats really striking to me is that the average union member can’t seem to understand that they can still be in the union and pay dues.

BobMbx on December 7, 2012 at 2:53 PM

What’s the reasoning behind exempting police & fire? I can’t see how letting them opt out of unions would diminish public safety. Is it just a compromise to get a modicum of union support for the bills? If so, it’s apparently not working.

KS Rex on December 7, 2012 at 2:20 PM

In Michigan there are already laws on the books that require binding arbitration for labor disputes involving police and fire. I don’t think there was a way to write them into the new law because of this.

weaselyone on December 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Why, do police and fire like being forced to pay union dues? xblade on December 7, 2012 at 2:42 PM

No, but those unions are very powerful. They give money, provide precinct walkers, are viewed as favorable by the public. They are great campaigners and would have killed it.

PattyJ on December 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Pigs do fly.

they lie on December 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Of course they do… you just need a large enough catapult!!! :)

dominigan on December 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM

No, but those unions are very powerful. They give money, provide precinct walkers, are viewed as favorable by the public. They are great campaigners and would have killed it.

PattyJ on December 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Yep. That was the main reason SB5 failed in Ohio.

dominigan on December 7, 2012 at 3:25 PM

It’s not a protest unless there is a drum circle.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

rumor has it that the buses left from Madison on Tuesday…I also heard that the “aroma” in the Capitol has improved greatly.

just stuff I heard

teejk on December 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM

 

Madison was Madtown because of the unviersity with 40,000+ students, as well as faculty and staff, to turn out for demonstrations.
Wethal on December 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM

 
Nah – its still like that when students are not there. Madison – which is really one big drum circle – concentrates the worst of the boomer generations – students occasionally add to the mix but they’re just as likely to be drunk. A better explanation is all the union squiqs that were bussed in from Chicago.
 

ignatzk on December 7, 2012 at 8:32 PM

…100!
Rick told the unions he was not interested…and wouldn’t get involved in Right to Work …if they would remove the idiotic ballot proposal the unions were pushing in November…they flipped the Nerd the bird!…good for Rick!

KOOLAID2 on December 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM

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