Quotes of the day

posted at 8:39 pm on December 7, 2012 by Allahpundit

[P]olitics is being reborn. For a time, Republican candidates like Richard Mourdock of Indiana proudly declared that they didn’t believe in compromise. Political activists spent more time purging deviationists than in trying to attract new converts.

But that mania has passed. There are increasing signs that House Republicans are willing to unite behind Speaker John Boehner so he can cut a deal to avert the “fiscal cliff.” There has been an epidemic of open-mindedness as Republicans try to win minority votes and create a version of their party that can be competitive in states like Connecticut and California…

The Republicans may still blow it. If President Obama is flexible and they don’t meet him partway, Republicans would contribute to a recession that would discredit them for a decade. But they are moving in the right direction and moving fast. These are first steps, and encouraging ones.

***

Conservatives shouldn’t be so hard on Boehner. He’s trying to deal with post-election realities and sincerely believes voters want a compromise. Worth noting, prominent conservative House leaders, like Eric Cantor, Kevin McCarthy, and Paul Ryan, are standing behind Boehner.

On the other hand, senior House leadership aides are not happy with Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell. Apparently, McConnell and Majority Leader Harry Reid are ready to do a two-stage deal if the Boehner-Obama talks collapse. The first stage would extend middle-class tax rates and somehow compromise on upper-end rates. Then a process would be set up to produce spending cuts to replace the sequester. But House aides regard this as a nonstarter, one that could even undermine the Boehner-Obama talks.

Here’s the really big principle in all this: Why raise taxes at all in the worst economic recovery going back to 1947?

***

Talk to smart folks in Washington, and here’s what they think will happen: The final tax deal will raise rates a bit, giving Democrats a win, but not all the way back to 39.6 percent, giving Republicans a win. That won’t raise enough revenue on its own, so it will be combined with some policy to cap tax deductions, perhaps at $25,000 or $50,000, with a substantial phase-in and an exemption for charitable contributions.

The harder question is what Republicans will get on the spending side of the deal. But even that’s not such a mystery. There will be a variety of nips and tucks to Medicare, including more cost-sharing and decreases in provider payments, and the headline Democratic concession is likely to be that the Medicare eligibility age rises from 65 to 67.

That’s not a policy I like much, but New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait accurately conveys the White House thinking here: They see it as having “weirdly disproportionate symbolic power,” as it’s not a huge (or smart) cut to Medicare benefits, and most of the pain will be blunted by the Affordable Care Act. But Republicans and self-styled deficit hawks see it as a big win.

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The “fiscal cliff” coming on Dec. 31 will automatically cause everyone’s taxes to rise and draconian defense cuts to go into effect. That leaves Republicans and conservatives having to fight a very public battle on these matters only weeks after a national defeat.

And they’ve somehow been maneuvered into arguing that benefits must be cut and taxes on the wealthy must not be raised — without having a single populist argument in their favor.

The only one that comes close is the invocation of the pain small businesses will experience from a tax hike. Fine, but unless you yourself are a small businessman or employed by one, you might not care all that much.

Thus, the political movement that came to maturity by advocating for dynamic American optimism has morphed into what it was at its most pinched and parched in the 1950s, ’60s, and ’70s: the eat-your-vegetables-and-shut-up party.

***

Republicans, as I have recently argued, have a great deal more to offer the country than tax cuts. They might ask: Do we wish to see our country’s energy sector continue to grow, and to see America displace Saudi Arabia as the world’s largest oil producer? The country will answer “Yes,” and Republicans should be ready with a list of specific policies to ensure that this happens. Republicans might ask: Do we wish to create a great many more solid career opportunities for the very large share of our young people who are not headed for MBAs, law degrees, or information-technology jobs? The country will answer “Yes,” and Republicans must be ready with a solid policy agenda. Ask the country if it wants to end subsidies to politically connected businesses, and it will answer “Yes.” Be ready. Instead, Republicans have been asking if the country is ready to put everything on hold to forestall a relatively small tax hike for households with incomes approaching $400,000 and up, and the country has answered “No.” The country is wrong to want to raise taxes for reasons having to do more with envy than economics, but certain human realities have to be accounted for in politics.

As for the more difficult questions, such as whether the country will protest if the Republicans attempt to reform entitlements by changing the indexation benchmark from wages to prices — a reform that would save billions of dollars without actually cutting the current benefits of one person — the answer is not obvious, but then that is the nature of hard questions. But it will be easier for conservatives to do the hard thing if they have an agenda that emphasizes the great many relatively easy and popular proposals that conservatives can and should support. But that is going to take deft and imaginative leadership of a sort that we have not lately seen from Republican leaders. John Boehner has not been the catastrophe that many fiscal hawks accuse him of being, but it is not clear that making the best of a bad hand is the most we can or should hope for.

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The Republicans’ offer has $300 billion in cuts to discretionary spending over 10 years. Well, the U.S. government’s outlays in October alone were $304 billion.

The GOP offered $600 billion in 10-year health care cuts through Medicare and Medicaid, which is less than Obama was willing to risk as seed money for Obamacare. Then again, the president’s new budget only reduces Medicare and Medicaid spending by $340 billion over a decade. Democrats have no interest in reform.

Our potential unfunded liabilities, what our government has promised to spend on entitlement programs in the future and won’t have money to pay, are estimated to total anywhere from $87 trillion to $100 trillion. That doesn’t even include Obamacare’s unseen costs.

Fiscal cliff? We’ve already taken that dive.

***

“This is no time to add any additional burden for middle-class people,” Biden said, seated with his guests at a table after the meal had been cleared.

“It would take 15 minutes from the time the decision was made by the speaker of the House to pass and make permanent a middle-class tax cut,” he said. “The president would probably have me sprint up to the Hill to bring the bill down and to sign it.

“It can be done like that,” he said, with a snap of his fingers.

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Electrongod on December 7, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Sheesh.. looks like Boehner is about to cry.

esr1951 on December 7, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Too bad our country isn’t.

Electrongod on December 7, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Hi Scrumpy.

I have a good name for your puppy.

You could call him sparky.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I don’t even care what the comments say, I’m just relieved to see Allahpundit back.

BettyRuth on December 7, 2012 at 8:49 PM

…vote PRESENT you penal pieces of poop!

KOOLAID2 on December 7, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Hi Scrumpy.

I have a good name for your puppy.

You could call him sparky.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 8:46 PM

…he doesn’t look anything like your shirt!

KOOLAID2 on December 7, 2012 at 8:51 PM

If President Obama is flexible

LOL. I think the NYT made a little Freudian slip, here. The Indonesian Dog-Eater only has flexibility when selling out America to the neo-Soviets.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 7, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I’m tired of being “led” by doofuses.

How do I throw off these parasites?

beatcanvas on December 7, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Talk to smart folks in Washington, and here’s what they think will happen

How about we not, there are no smart folks in Washington, just a bunch of idiots who only look after themselves and to hell with “we the people”.

Let. It. Burn.

I’m prepared.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 8:57 PM

America is borrowing 45% of every dollar we spend while everyone rails on about the unfairness and/or injustice of a couple of $billion here and there. No one is even talking about meaningful change. The best writers couldn’t make this stuff up.

The republicans should come back with a real counter-offer: cap spending at current levels or the house will defund the entire works. Give the dems something to talk about . . . Or just admit there isn’t a significant difference between the parties and start a third.

Where is that Palin woman?

Screw it. Let’s talk dogs and favorite eggnog drinks.

Scotsman on December 7, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I agree with Rush: it’s total political theater. Obama wants to cement the idea in everybody’s heads that the GOP is forever more to be seen as the party who raises taxes now that Boehner has proposed his $800 billion in “revenues.” Obama can come along after the first of the year and re-institute the Bush tax cuts and be seen as the “savior” of the middle class, which you all know with virtual certainty the media is even now crafting their best glowing, sycophantic stories about.

Obama is has the plunger about halfway down now on the TNT that will blow up the GOP, and those poor saps can’t even see it coming. I never thought I’d say this, but the GOP is worse than useless.

PatriotGal2257 on December 7, 2012 at 8:58 PM

I don’t even care what the comments say, I’m just relieved to see Allahpundit back.

BettyRuth on December 7, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Yeah, post-election, blogger rehab must’ve been a b!tch for him.

TXUS on December 7, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Even our punditry thinks conservatism is wrong. How long will it take us to get to the Greece stage? I’m hoping I’ll be dead by then.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 9:00 PM

L.i.B.

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 9:00 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 7, 2012 at 8:51 PM

TGIF

*clink*

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Even our punditry thinks conservatism is wrong.
Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 9:00 PM

You are right about that. Not sure who I hate more.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Pearl Harbor Day on Bing and Google.

Compare and contrast.

29Victor on December 7, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Okay…that didn’t work. Anyway, Google sucks!

29Victor on December 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Pearl Harbor Day on Bing and Google.

Compare and contrast.

29Victor on December 7, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Shameful. Not one stinking word mentioned about it here today.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM

“This is no time to add any additional burden for middle-class people,” Biden said, seated with his guests at a table after the meal had been cleared.

Bah-humbug!

TANSTAAFL: You Cannot Have A Rolls-Royce Welfare State On A Chevy Chevette Hatchback Budget

M2RB: Simon Curtis

Resist We Much on December 7, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Okay…that didn’t work. Anyway, Google sucks!

29Victor on December 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Worked for me “Page not found at Hotair”.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Even our punditry thinks conservatism is wrong. How long will it take us to get to the Greece stage? I’m hoping I’ll be dead by then.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Same here. Greece has Germany.

Resist We Much on December 7, 2012 at 9:11 PM

The final tax deal will raise rates a bit, giving Democrats a win, but not all the way back to 39.6 percent, giving Republicans a win.

This kind of insanity has brought us to a low, low state in America. The left makes outrageous proposals, and the right meets them halfway there. This happens over and over again.

In what way is this a “win” for Republicans?

Let it burn.

disa on December 7, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Boehner’s time has passed. For God’s sake, pass what u want through the house, you have the votes (r do u??) send it to the Senate & shut the hell up!

Let’s go off the fiscal cliff, at least it will stop a little spending! This is really all about giving Obama a blank check, ie, debt ceiling. Call their bluff, go off the cliff!

And Senator Corker, we will throw you out of office next time, weak bellied hillbilly. So sorry I voted for you!

purgatory on December 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Talk to smart folks in Washington, and here’s what they think will happen

The “smart folks in Washington” have caused just about every single problem this country has ever had.

“There are a number of things wrong with Washington. One of them is that everyone is too far from home.”

- Dwight D. Eisenhower

“We are tired of aristocratic explanations in Harvard words.”

- Dwight D. Eisenhower

Resist We Much on December 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Even our punditry thinks conservatism is wrong. How long will it take us to get to the Greece stage? I’m hoping I’ll be dead by then.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Same here. Greece has Germany.

Resist We Much on December 7, 2012 at 9:11 PM

And we have … China?

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Shameful. Not one stinking word mentioned about it here today.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Yeah. I noticed that too. :/

29Victor on December 7, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Pearl Harbor Day on Bing and Google.

Compare and contrast.

29Victor on December 7, 2012 at 9:06 PM

The pic at bing landed in my eye like a speck of sawdust.

The pic at google burdens me like my own sin.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:16 PM

To INC: Thanks so much for writing your series about propaganda. I’ve bookmarked not only all your articles, but the terrific links from George Mason University, among others. Valuable info that needs to be spread far and wide.

PatriotGal2257 on December 7, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Shameful. Not one stinking word mentioned about it here today.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM

JPeterman:Well,kinda:)
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Oh boy,ahem…..Pearl Harbour Day….to boot…

7.3 Video
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Japan Earthquake (7.3) and Tsunami – December 7, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_67Uc5yNRpw

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 6:36 AM

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Pic of the Day: To Obama, From Egypt…With Love

AN. ABSOLUTE. MUST. SEE.

“I truly believe that the day I’m inaugurated, not only the country looks at itself differently, but the world looks at America differently…If I’m reaching out to the Muslim world they understand that I’ve lived in a Muslim country and I may be a Christian, but I also understand their point of view…My sister is half-Indonesian. I traveled there all the way through my college years. And so I’m intimately concerned with what happens in these countries and the cultures and perspective these folks have. And those are powerful tools for us to be able to reach out to the world…then I think the world will have confidence that I am listening to them and that our future and our security is tied up with our ability to work with other countries in the world that will ultimately makes us safer…”

- Barack Obama, 21 November 2007

NOT!!!

Resist We Much on December 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM

1935?-36?-37?-38?-39?

Speakup on December 7, 2012 at 9:19 PM

The pic at bing landed in my eye like a speck of sawdust.

The pic at google burdens me like my own sin.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Get that speck out of your eye and get pissed off when you see this.

Disgrace: President Obama commemorates Pearl Harbor attack with photo of himself

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:20 PM

” There has been an epidemic of open-mindedness as Republicans try to win minority votes and create a version of their party that can be competitive in states like Connecticut and California…

If this is true, then we are doomed.

There has been nothing but compromise since the first Bush. We had a small respite when Newt helped the GOP win back the House. Since then… it’s been nothing but compromise after compromise and what have we gotten for it? Where has it done for our nation?

We’ve come to this point… 10% unemployment.. a wrecked economy.. a weakened military, murdered ambassador, Fast and Furious and so so much more… all because of compromise!

This!

and create a version of their party that can be competitive in states like Connecticut and California

This is putrid! Sick! The GOP have abandoned the people of California and now they want to abandon America! Worthless unprincipled cowards who only want to be popular with a certain aspect of the culture!

Look at California! It is a bankrupt state that people are fleeing and the GOP wants to copy the people who ruined it!

I just lack the words! I am so close to being done with this party. There is no point to it. They want to copy the democrats than just dissolve the GOP and join the other side! Don’t purge conservatives Mr. Boehner! Just go ahead and change your party affiliation and give control of the House back to the Democrats!

There has been an epidemic of open-mindedness

Unless you are a person of principle! Purging conservatives is not open mindedness! It is the opposite!

If this takes hold then America’s last hope is truly revival in the churches! Salvation for this nation will be from God and no one else! Because the politicians… the party that was birthed as an anti-slavery party is about to join sides with the party that wants to re-institute slavery again! The Masters will be in DC and every single one of us will be their servants and nothing we used to think we owned will be ours anymore. Not our property. Not our money and not even our lives!

Churchill said after the war that “never has so much been owed by so many to so few.” He was talking about the pilots that fought in the skies over Britain.

Today.. we can all say about the Republican leadership that has refused to fight for America.. “Never has so much been given up and handed over by so many to so few for no reason at all other than not wanting to fight for it!”

JellyToast on December 7, 2012 at 9:21 PM

****Lets Review ****

VIDEO:(9:05)

Excellent: Bill Whittle on eating the rich
posted at 5:53 pm on March 31, 2011 by Allahpundit
**************************************************

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/31/excellent-bill-whittle-on-eating-the-rich/

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Where is that Palin woman?

Scotsman on December 7, 2012 at 8:57 PM

She tweeted a heads up on Thomas Sowell’s recent two articles on the “fiscal cliff”, and praised DeMint and Rep. Tim Scott, the possible replacement for DeMint: http://conservatives4palin.com/2012/12/palin-cites-economist-thomas-sowells-fiscal-cliff-analysis-praise-for-scs-scott-and-demint.html

I’m with Rush. There’s no way the Republicans can win this, so why bother? Just walk away and let the Democrats own it all. It won’t be seen as their debacle, but if Republicans cave on any tax increases, they will be seen as admitting that tax cuts cause the deficeit, which is a lie.

theotherone on December 7, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Get that speck out of your eye and get pissed off when you see this.

Disgrace: President Obama commemorates Pearl Harbor attack with photo of himself

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Are either of those lardbutts actually NAVY?

Obama is an Alinsky devotee, who devoted his book to Lucifer.

Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.
– Saul Alinsky

Uh, no he didn’t win his own kingdom. He lost. Big time. Eternally.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:23 PM

And we have … China?

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Nah. The Fed’s been buying around 75% of our Treasuries. We’re monetising our debt. China isn’t going to bail us out. Besides, it couldn’t if it wanted to do so. The problem is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too big. Even as poorly as our economy is performing, it is still more than twice the size of China’s.

In 2010, John Kitchen of the U.S. Treasury and Menzie Chinn of the University of Wisconsin published a study entitled “Financing U.S. Debt: Is There Enough Money in the World—and At What Cost?” According to Kitchen and Chinn, by 2020, every penny of revenue received by the U.S. Treasury would be consumed by Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and debt service, which confirms what has been forecasted by the Congressional Budget Office, the Office of Management and Budget, and the non-partisan the Peterson-Pew Commission on Budget Reform. More frightening, the duo’s research found that it would take 19% of the rest of the world’s GDP to finance the Federal government should it continue on its present trajectory. NINETEEN PERCENT OF EVERY DOLLAR EARNED BY EVERY OTHER CITIZEN OF THE WORLD!!! For the momentary relief of the residents of “My Progressive Little Ponyland,” Kitchen and Chinn did say that getting the rest of the world to spend 19% of its GDP buying United States debt was “do-able,” BUT JUST LIKE “MY PROGRESSIVE LITTLE PONYLAND” IS NEVER GOING TO BECOME REALITY, THE WORLD SO TOTALLY ISN’T EVER GONNA BUY 19% OF OUR WORTHLESS PAPER EVERY YEAR FOR INFINITY. NEVER.

A future that presumes the rest of the planet will sink a fifth of its GDP into U.S. Treasuries is no future at all. And, isn’t it ironic that Progressives would even presume that they would? America isn’t so exceptional. Remember? So, why would the rest of the world bank with us and not, say, the BRICS? The hypocrisy is stunning, too. Progs always say that we are 5% of the world’s population, but use 25% of its resources, which, according to them, is a very bad, racist, oppressive, selfish, and mean thing to do.

Evidently, being 5% of the world’s population and expecting the equivalent of the Coolies to build our modern-day railroads, which are known as Obamacare, Social Security, Medicare, free college, subsidised housing, cradle-to-grave welfare, etc., by demanding that the rest of the world spend 19% OF THE GLOBAL GDP EVERY YEAR ON U.S. TREASURIES beginning in 2020 while we sit on our couches eating Krispy Kremes watching American Idol while our solar-panel-generated air conditioners are blasting away because “we are so trying to save the planet, man” is perfectly acceptable.

Resist We Much on December 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM

If the GOP has any hope for 2014 and 2016, it will replace Boehner, and soon..

petefrt on December 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Where is that Palin woman?

Scotsman on December 7, 2012 at 8:57 PM

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/07/sarah-palin-honors-lives-lost-in-pearl-harbor-attack-lib-trolls-pounce/

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 9:28 PM

petefrt on December 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Nope, apparently moderate appeasers are the order of the day and the determined direction of the Republican party.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Speaking of the Fiscal Cliff,I mean Hopey’s
NeverEverEnding Speechy Talky talk…talk…talk….

……Campaigning!

Fiscal Cliff Ads Pick up Where Campaign Stopped
WASHINGTON December 8, 2012 (AP)

Debate over the “fiscal cliff” has money pouring into television, print, radio and online ads, picking up where the wall-to-wall election campaign left off.(More…)
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canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 9:32 PM

The economy seems like its retracting.

Or collapsing. Or shriveling up like dead head of lettuce. Withering on the vine. Imploding into a sink hole.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Pearl Harbor Day on Bing and Google.

Compare and contrast.

29Victor on December 7, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I’ve not googled since 7/4/10 for this reason.
NO patriotic holiday recognition, but Michael Jackson lost his glove in Pasadena day gets a full background…

massrighty on December 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Churchill said after the war that “never has so much been owed by so many to so few.” He was talking about the pilots that fought in the skies over Britain.

Today.. we can all say about the Republican leadership that has refused to fight for America.. “Never has so much been given up and handed over by so many to so few for no reason at all other than not wanting to fight for it!”

JellyToast on December 7, 2012 at 9:21 PM

THIS, in bold. ^^^^

PatriotGal2257 on December 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM

MeanWhile……..in the SandyLand……Egypt comes
full-circle………..

@hebamorayef tweeted:
hebamorayef

State Newspaper Al Ahram reports that the cabinet has approved a law which Morsy will soon issue allowing military to arrest civilians.

3 hours ago from twitter.com by editor

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 9:30 PM

The moderates have been ruining things on our side. We would be better off if they just switched parties instead of goofing up the works by demotivating the base.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM

PatriotGal2257 on December 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM

I agree. jelly toast is a good artist.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM

29Victor on December 7, 2012 at 9:06 PM

About time somebody brought up what today is.

Oh boy,ahem…..Pearl Harbour Day….to boot…

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 9:17 PM

I have had some memorably Pearl Harbor days myself.

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Who is the greatest news disseminater on HA.?

Hint: think Canada

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Hint: think Canada

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

William Shatner?

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

NO patriotic holiday recognition, but Michael Jackson lost his glove in Pasadena day gets a full background…

massrighty on December 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I heard that Dianna Ross’ gynecologist found Jackson’s glove.

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Who is the greatest news disseminater on HA.?

Hint: think Canada

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

David Rywall Esq.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I have had some memorably Pearl Harbor days myself.

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Oh, there you are, I have something for you to see.

World War II plane retrieved from Lake Michigan

I also posted it on the Wall at Howard’s place.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:41 PM

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Whoops, memorably bad that is.

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I’m truly tired of looking at that idiot’s face.

rrpjr on December 7, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Who is the greatest news disseminater on HA.?

Hint: think Canada

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

David Rywall Esq.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Disseminator, not dissembler!!!

canopfor, not drywall.

:-)

Resist We Much on December 7, 2012 at 9:43 PM

- Barack Obama, 21 November 2007

NOT!!!

Resist We Much on December 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM.

Resist We Much:

Yup,the War on Biotch’s,….lol:)

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 9:44 PM

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Captain James T Canopfor.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:44 PM

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Thanks, there have been a lot of them pulled out of there over the years.

I would have liked to have seen those paddle wheel carriers.

One was the U.S.S. Wolverine. Cannot remember the other.

Almost as fascinating as a pykrete carrier.

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Who is the greatest news disseminater on HA.?

Hint: think Canada

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Alan Thicke?

massrighty on December 7, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Uh, no he didn’t win his own kingdom. He lost. Big time. Eternally.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Here at least
we shall be free; the Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choice
to reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

Paradise Lost Joh Milton

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 9:45 PM

TGIF

*clink*

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:03 PM

…sorry…had to go out and get some wine…and pet food…..
*clink*

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.
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Who is the greatest news disseminater on HA.?

Hint: think Canada

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

David Rywall Esq.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:40 PM

dash beat me!…I was going to say Penal Dryrot !

KOOLAID2 on December 7, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.
– Saul Alinsky

Uh, no he didn’t win his own kingdom. He lost. Big time. Eternally.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Well.. he got the earth, sorta. But only because he was thrown down to here. And then God came along and created these super beings in front of him and gave them the earth. but then he lured them into disobeying God.. thus giving up their kingdom. So did Satan get the earth for a time? I think so… until Jesus came along and paid the price for that lost kingdom. Jesus, sinless and yet crucified for sin, regained the keys to the kingdom. And Jesus said he can give those keys to whoever he wants. so Satan did lose whatever kingdom he gained.

Hell is not Lucifer’s kingdom. People who don’t know the Bible or get their Bible from Hollywood think it is. It’s not. It’s his end. Hell was actually made for the devil. Not even for sinners. It is for the devil.. but if people reject God then you fry with the devil. But God did not make hell for sinners… but for the devil. Throughout the bible He refers to hell as a place “for the devil and his angels.” but yet.. people who reject God end up there.

Lucifer is not sitting on some thrown somewhere. And netiehr is Saul Alinsky. Saul Alinsky is dead and is in hell and pure unimaginable torment… and Lucifer isn’t even there yet. Lucifer is still roaming around looking for other little Saul Alinsky’s he can use like sock puppets. Obviously he’s found many of them.

JellyToast on December 7, 2012 at 9:46 PM

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Going to listen to the sermon linked in your nom(although your link doesn’t work).

Check out the one linked in my nom.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I also posted it on the Wall at Howard’s place.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:41 PM

And it ain’t just Howard’s place. Ms. Dyer has a great article posted.

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Resist We Much on December 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM

right, that’s all true. But here’s the secret. Ds know this too (not the trolls and half-wits)…and they want to solve these things on their terms, protecting their interests as much as possible.

Just like drones. They seem to be killing a lot of al queda, etc, using drones…collateral damage..i bet. But they fear not criticism…because they are In Charge. Obviously had W done this, each person killed would have sparked days of mournful press coverage about the ultimate questions of War. With barry, not so much.

The Left and their apparatus want to be the Won who Fixes Stuff. And eventually they’ll get around to it…but they’ll do it Their Way

r keller on December 7, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

Paradise Lost Joh Milton

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

Khan Noonian Singh

massrighty on December 7, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Alan Thicke?

massrighty on December 7, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Hey he is a pretty good game show host and is prolly smarter than most MSM clowns.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Khan Noonian Singh

massrighty on December 7, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Kahhhhhhhhhnnnn…really?

You youngsters

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Go over the fiscal cliff.

People will not change for hope until they feel pain.

Kini on December 7, 2012 at 9:50 PM

One was the U.S.S. Wolverine. Cannot remember the other.

Almost as fascinating as a pykrete carrier.

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:45 PM

USS Sable.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:50 PM

David Rywall Esq.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Disseminator, not dissembler!!!

canopfor, not drywall.

:-)

Resist We Much:Lol,Lefty Canuck,WroughtWall!:)

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 9:51 PM

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:03 PM

…sorry…had to go out and get some wine…and pet food…..

KOOLAID2 on December 7, 2012 at 9:45 PM

A dry burgundy goes good with tender vittles.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Check out the one linked in my nom.

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Thanks I will listen to it.

http://www.bfcn.org/live/index.php/sermons/finish/4-sermons/355-12-02-2012

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 9:53 PM

USS Sable (IX-81) was a training ship of the United States Navy during World War II. Originally built as the Greater Buffalo, a sidewheel excursion steamer, she was converted in 1942 to a freshwater aircraft carrier to be used on the Great Lakes.

O_o

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 9:53 PM

And it ain’t just Howard’s place. Ms. Dyer has a great article posted.

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I know, I know. I’m reading it now and she liked my airplane picture I posted there on the Wall. I really hope they can make a go of the place.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

Only nobody reigns in hell. That’s a lie created by the devil to make people think there’s something good about going there.

JellyToast on December 7, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Go over the fiscal cliff.

Kini on December 7, 2012 at 9:50 PM

..
The Commie in Chief wants this fiscal cliff diving. Badly. If anyone thinks otherwise, they’re an idiot.
End the Bush tax cuts once and for all, yes indeed says Barky.

Make way for the middle class ‘”Obama Tax cuts”. Now WHO would ever be against or have a problem with the Obama Tax cuts? And the media gets to say ” Obama Tax cuts” for the next 20 yrs. All hail obama !

These Chicago corrupticrats are still campaigning. Thy don’t give a sh!t about jobs or the economy………their LASER FOCUS IS TO BUY VOTES – That is it, period.

These Corruptocrats are very transparent.

FlaMurph on December 7, 2012 at 10:00 PM

***Alert ***

Pranking the Nurse turns Deadly!
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Advertisers abandon Australian radio station linked to suicide of British nurse – @smh

14 mins ago from http://www.smh.com.au by editor
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Nurse found dead after hoax call about Duchess of Cambridge named as Jacinda Saldanha – PA

11 hours ago by editor
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Audio: Australian radio DJs impersonate The Queen and Prince Charles in call to Duchess of Cambridge nurse – @perthnow

Dec 5, 2012

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/national/day-fm-duo-impersonate-queen/story-fndo4gtr-1226530546575
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/duchess-of-cambridge-pregnancy

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I really hope they can make a go of the place.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Me too.

Maybe a daily wall.

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Khan Noonian Singh

massrighty on December 7, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Not a Trekkie, so I had to look that one up.

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Go over the fiscal cliff.

Kini on December 7, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Kini:Aloha,….

and yes,and the Dems are behind the wheel,intoxicated on
KOOL_AID!:)

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Does anyone remember what happened last Pearl Harbor Day?

Bmore on December 7, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Well,the Muslim BrotherHood is now Saddam Ba’ath Party Operational!!
(sarc)

Raquel E Saraswati ‏@RaquelEvita

Inside the #Brotherhood’s torture chambers | #Egypt Independent http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/al-masry-al-youm-goes-inside-brotherhood-s-torture-chambers … …this is @Ikhwanweb’s

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23egypt

Al-Masry Al-Youm goes inside the Brotherhood’s torture chambers
Fri, 07/12/2012 – 14:23
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**Graphic **

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/al-masry-al-youm-goes-inside-brotherhood-s-torture-chambers

canopfor on December 7, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Am I just one? I am one.

Bmore on December 7, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Does anyone remember what happened last Pearl Harbor Day?

Bmore on December 7, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Meteor?

davidk on December 7, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Happy anniversary!!!

Bmore on December 7, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Happy anniversary!!!

Bmore on December 7, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Alpha_Male made it one year to the day LOL!

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 10:14 PM

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 10:14 PM

; ) I am kinda surprised I’ve made it this long.

Bmore on December 7, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Alpha_Male made it one year to the day LOL!

tom daschle concerned on December 7, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Did that loser get banned?

Bmore on December 7, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Did that loser not get banned? I seem to remember some folks whining about a banning not long ago.

cozmo on December 7, 2012 at 10:18 PM

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