Economists love old grandpa coin act as fiscal-cliff solution, or something
posted at 10:31 am on December 7, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
When I was a very young lad, my grandfather used to amaze me by magically pulling coins out of my ear (and telling hilarious-but-terrible puns, but that’s another story for another day). At that time in my life, I figured Grandpa was making me richer from money out of thin air. How was I to know he was teaching me the kind of economics that would thrill the intelligentsia forty-five years later?
If President Obama wants to avoid an economic calamity next year, he could always show up at a news conference bearing two shiny platinum coins, each worth . . . $1 trillion.
Okay, that sounds utterly insane. But some economists and legal scholars have suggested that the “platinum coin option” is one way to defuse a crisis if Congress cannot or will not lift the debt ceiling soon. At least in theory.
It sounds utterly insane because, well … it is utterly insane. Apparently, acts of insanity are totally legal in the US, though, as long as they’re committed by a Treasury Secretary:
Enter the platinum coins. Under current law, the Treasury is technically allowed to mint as many coins made of platinum as it wants and can assign them whatever value it pleases.
Under this scenario, the U.S. Mint would make a pair of trillion-dollar platinum coins. The president orders the coins to be deposited at the Federal Reserve. The Fed moves this money into Treasury’s accounts. And just like that, Treasury suddenly has an extra $2 trillion to pay off its obligations for the next two years — without needing to issue new debt. The ceiling is no longer an issue.
“I like it,” said Joseph Gagnon of the Peterson Institute for International Economics. “There’s nothing that’s obviously economically problematic about it.”
In theory, this is much like having the central bank print money. But, Gagnon said, the U.S. government would simply be using the money to keep spending at existing levels, so it would not create any extra inflation. And if it did cause problems, the Fed could always counteract the effects by winding down some of its other programs to inject money into the economy.
There’s nothing obviously problematic about it, except for the fact that we’re going to devalue world’s baseline currency by about two trillion dollars. How exactly can that avoid stoking inflation? It creates money that hasn’t been in circulation before, and it spends it almost immediately based on the completely artificial valuation of a couple of coins in a vault. If it didn’t fund new spending, no one would need to create the coins and the artificial value of them in the first place. The spending done under the debt limit comes from the sale of bonds, which may be a bad way to run government but actually have some future value based on a commitment from the Treasury. The two coins are a bad parody of that process, and it won’t be long before bond investors discover that the joke is on them.
And it’s not as if this solution hasn’t been tried in the past. In the 1920s, facing crushing debt and war-reparation obligations, the Weimar Republic in Germany did exactly the same thing: printed money to pay off their obligations. They just didn’t do it with cool-looking platinum coins. It destroyed the savings of the middle class, created massive poverty and a flight from German currency, and set the stage for the takeover by the Nazis a few years later.
These are the kinds of ideas that arise when governments go bankrupt, politically if not financially. How about some real solutions, like reducing spending to FY2000 levels as a percentage of GDP and reforming the tax system to fund government appropriately? Steven Crowder asked a few people about the options on the table in his latest vox populi, and ended up discovering that some Democrats may want to check in on their party’s policies:
Update: Added a bit more to the first paragraph after the second excerpt.
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Boehner IS a regret.
Liam on January 27, 2013 at 6:33 PM
God, we’re pathetic. Every time I think we’ve hit bottom, there’s more. Has any country so in peril ever simultaneously contended with a more determined enemy and a more pathetic resistance? My mind reels.
rrpjr on January 27, 2013 at 6:35 PM
Vichy Republicans!
I guess Boehner had a weeping regret?
journeymike on January 27, 2013 at 6:37 PM
Freaking facepalm.
msupertas on January 27, 2013 at 6:39 PM
Whaaa whaaa.
Rusty Allen on January 27, 2013 at 6:39 PM
The republican voters send their regret that you are
speakerweeper of the house.trs on January 27, 2013 at 6:40 PM
Resign, loser.
profitsbeard on January 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM
Somebody find this douche some balls.
GFY Boehner.
RovesChins on January 27, 2013 at 6:46 PM
So he’s crying again? And, what, that makes it better?
“HEY AMERICANS, SORRY I CANT PLEASE EVERYONE. SNIFFLE SNIFFLE. BUT OBAMA GETS WHAT HE WANTS AND THAT’S WHAT’S REALLY IMPORTANT. SNIVEL SNIVEL.”
Jeddite on January 27, 2013 at 6:47 PM
This is the kind of thinking I don’t understand. He’s in a position of enviable, extraordinary power. Each day should a joy and opportunity for him — to pressure and cajole and mock and evangelize and to marshal his party, to be a leader, to stir and inspire the country against a very real threat who also happens to be a shallow and petty and politically fragile pretender. He could have daily briefings every day with the media just to confront them with their bad reporting and audit their ongoing disgrace. Imagine how much we’d all look forward to this! Think of the multitude of ways he could use his office and power to represent America at this rare moment in history, when the enemy is so luridly evil and transparently destructive. Where’s the imagination! I don’t think it’s possible to be too critical. Honestly — not possible.
rrpjr on January 27, 2013 at 6:51 PM
SCOAMF Jr.
TxAnn56 on January 27, 2013 at 6:51 PM
This douchnozzle couldn’t demand cheese on his sandwich and get it.
Rio Linda Refugee on January 27, 2013 at 6:53 PM
Step down, you crybaby!
If you had one ounce of scruples, you’d leave that office and never look back.
CurtZHP on January 27, 2013 at 6:54 PM
Boehner is such a douche, his fave drink is a shot of Massengil with a vinegar-and-water chaser.
Liam on January 27, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Is this the same Boehner guy that promised back in 2008 that the House would really, and for true, pass a budget piece by piece, agency by agency to start really getting a handle on things and not to keep on throwing the taxpayer under the omnibus?
Of course that promise didn’t last 6 weeks. It is what the House is supposed to do… not that it mattered once the sound-bite utility died after New Years Day.
I’ve heard this stuff from Boehner before: he doesn’t mean it and won’t stick by what he says. Always sounds like he will actually do his job. Then decides not to do it.
ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 6:57 PM
It’s always darkest just before it turns pitch black.
Steve Eggleston on January 27, 2013 at 6:59 PM
I don’t believe for a minute he regrets anything.
CW20 on January 27, 2013 at 7:00 PM
Cigarette-smoking surrender monkey.
steebo77 on January 27, 2013 at 7:00 PM
Thug Politics: If The GOP Wants To See What Obama Has Planned For Them, They Should Visit Chicago
M2RB: Eliena Siegman – Der Riese Theme
Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 7:03 PM
Incompetent, elitist, apologist, boob…….
ultracon on January 27, 2013 at 7:05 PM
News Flash Bonehead… Conservatives regret that you became the Speaker of the House too…
SWalker on January 27, 2013 at 7:05 PM
He could start by not asking the opposition which card do you need? He is a punk pure and simple. He has had numerous opportunities to get it together and won’t. I never was a third party guy but we cannot endure getting smashed by the dems and the repubs doing virtually nothing.
They just passed the gd Hurricane sandy bill unchanged from the Senate version.
arnold ziffel on January 27, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Don’t apologize. Just leave. NOW!
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 27, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Bingo! Did Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bemoan their inability to get what they wanted past Bush when they took over the legislature in 2007? Absolutely not! They demagogued, lied, and did everything possible to B
bend the Bush administration to their will. Do you think Nanzi would have hesitated a microsecond to defund something if it had the same opposition as Obamacare does? She would have been out in front with the media shouting how it was the right thing to do and the duty of the House to safeguard the people’s money.
AZfederalist on January 27, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Cry me a river Speaker Boehner.
workingclass artist on January 27, 2013 at 7:07 PM
Most normal people quit when they admit they can’t do a job they are being paid to do… the ethical ones do, that is.
ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 7:08 PM
Dangit! I thought some conservatives had pulled a Ms Otis on the Congressional leadership.
GWB on January 27, 2013 at 7:08 PM
Our so-called leaders in the GOP are failures.
Paul Ryno this morning:
Hillarycare was socialist abomination. WTF is he talking about?????????
sauldalinsky on January 27, 2013 at 7:09 PM
He had no power in 2008. The dims ran the show from 2007 to 2011.
AZfederalist on January 27, 2013 at 7:10 PM
I’m not sure Newt is the source of all great strategery. Rs face a leviathan that wants them dead.
that is how they have to think. The leftist press will chortle with glee at every ‘mis-step’ and every time dear leader ‘wins’ (which will just coincidentally be 100 percent of the time)
just like the slogan for the last election was Kill Romney, now it is Kill the Rs. Sadly, there’ll be many summertime soldiers that will defect to the other side, the $$$$$$$ is much better on that side of the street.
i’m not saying literally be a Dem, just a turncoat R…that’s even better, you know the ones who will shake their head and spout off some BS…Powell, Joe S, Peggy, all cozy in their salons of wizards of smart.
Boehner just needs to get his caucus to man up…and fight the good fight by themselves, without barry, or Colin or anyone else
the goal is to survive…in one piece. They will not ‘win’ the leftist machine, the combine, will not let them…but if they live to fight another day, that will be success
r keller on January 27, 2013 at 7:14 PM
Inverted Totalitarianism? Democracy Is On The Brink Of A Sea Change
M2RB: Jesus Jones
Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 7:17 PM
lol, “I take responsibility”—-Hillary, Chu, and Boehner. Nothing changes, what difference does it make?
But we know that they care and are responsible. Maybe there is a hot comet headed our way to end this nonsense.
arnold ziffel on January 27, 2013 at 7:20 PM
That’s right! How could I forget that? It was after the Tea Party insurgency he promised that in 2010… it just seems longer.
ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 7:20 PM
Accountability?
These gelatinous, bleating, wool covered masses Upon the Hill do not believe in it and will do nothing to hold themselves or others accountable.
If you want accountability, start with a few friends, set up a pot of pitch in front of their home offices in their State or District and start cooking. Make sure the smell gets to the office. Have some feather pillows and rails around when you do. Pitchforks optional.
ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 7:22 PM
John Boehner is the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain.
HondaV65 on January 27, 2013 at 7:24 PM
Sad thing, Boehner makes Dennis Hastert look like an inspirational, charismatic leader with a strong strategic capability.
AZfederalist on January 27, 2013 at 7:25 PM
“Hear that lonesome whippoorwill
He sounds too blue to fly
The midnight train is whining low
I’m so lonesome I could cry”
(Feat. “Weepin’ John B.”)
whatcat on January 27, 2013 at 7:30 PM
From GP:
SHOCK VIDEO: Muslim Brotherhood Snipers Shoot People From Rooftops
Live From Tahrir Square: “Obama, You Jerk! Stop Supporting The Muslim Brotherhood!”
Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 7:32 PM
I didn’t read his whole speech, but it would be nice if he apologized to the “upstart” conservatives on the Hill he and the rest of his snobby cohorts were openly dissing during the negotiations.
Dongemaharu on January 27, 2013 at 7:33 PM
Not to worry, Mr Boehner. Obama has it covered.
davidk on January 27, 2013 at 7:34 PM
So one is fully comatose and the other is only in a light coma, huh?
ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 7:34 PM
Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 7:40 PM
Heh. I was thinking of you when I posted that.
davidk on January 27, 2013 at 7:43 PM
We need warriors to lead the opposition, not weepers.
djtnt on January 27, 2013 at 7:44 PM
It is regretful that Speaker Boehner continues to believe that conservatives will be mollified by persistent insincere apologies,and that he is right.
redware on January 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM
As I said in the headline thread, Boner does not have any excuse.
He couldn’t lead his caucus, couldn’t (wouldn’t) explain to the base, taking on the negotiation one-on-one (is that his strategy or GOP’s?).
With all due respect to the office, sir, you are not a NEWBIE who got taken out the woodshed and got ‘cleaned out’.
Sir Napsalot on January 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM
The Crybaby had minor power from 2008-2011 as minority leader. he could have fought against BarkyCare by forcing at least one of the myraid 2000+ page bills to be read aloud on the floor, but he didn’t. The best the Crybaby could muster was to read some extra-short Cliff’s notes version of a few of the problems in BarkyCare – a bill that was voted on without anyone having any idea, whatsoever, what was really in it or even the language of it.
The Crybaby had little power before 2011 but he screwed up as much as he was able with that little bit of power, which is why I strongly opposed his pathetic azz being made Weeper of the House in 2011, to start. The Crybaby sucked at his job as minority leader and continued to suck more at the much more powerful job of Weeper of the House.
Boner needs to drown in a pool of his own tears. Soon.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 27, 2013 at 7:46 PM
…I do too!
I’m busy on the Palin thread Bonehead!
KOOLAID2 on January 27, 2013 at 7:47 PM
What did you expect? He had a hard enough time criticizing Obama properly when he was the donkeys’ candidate. Now that Obama can’t run anymore, Ryan’s got to move on to milking the toast of another Democrat running for president.
steebo77 on January 27, 2013 at 7:48 PM
:-)
And, OF COURSE, I didn’t proofread Obama’s quote before hitting submit…AS USUAL.
Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 7:50 PM
I believe that’s called a ‘Summer’s Eve’. I might be willing to cut Boehner some slack… if he weren’t slack enough already. Can we call them Republican’ts yet?
ghostwalker1 on January 27, 2013 at 7:50 PM
The one-on-one negotiation was stupid.
22044 on January 27, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Speaking of milk: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/27/louisiana-stops-sale-cheap-milk-at-market/?test=latestnews
davidk on January 27, 2013 at 7:53 PM
When you do as you say you will do, Mr. Boehner, you will have integrity.
You didn’t and you don’t have any now.
ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 7:54 PM
there’s no reason to continue beating up on Boehner. Past R House leaders have not had to face down a leftist press that desperately wants to lunge for the throat and be done with it
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/01/27/CBS-Runs-Segment-Calle-Lets-Give-Up-On-The-Constitution
Like I said before the key is survival. And, no, if we had a bunch of brave hearted true leaders in the House…well, they would have run. Did anyone run? No. Why?
The key is survival. Yes, fight…but fight smart. The left want a post-partisan country (and, no, you are not invited)….so can we please all hang tough?
Use the parliamentary power of the House to slow down and stop the more radical stuff…force barry to do things by Fiat.
Review Youngstown Steel…the executive is at his weakest when going against congress by himself. The left/press will giggle snort their way thru the next four years of executive fiat…but it is not a good long term strategy
r keller on January 27, 2013 at 7:58 PM
Agreed. If you want to do something unprecedented, how about making it public so “the people” who will be stuck with the decisions made, could see how their battle was fought and exactly which representative stood for.
Mimzey on January 27, 2013 at 7:58 PM
Old republicans, too:
davidk on January 27, 2013 at 8:00 PM
More heapings of pathetic. It never stops. You will never get any fight out of these people. Never.
rrpjr on January 27, 2013 at 8:01 PM
There is not a lack of ‘leadership’ in DC.
There is too much followership going on and we need less of that.
ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Don’t worry, the Crybaby Weeper of the House is going to win back the base by stabbing America in the back with amnesty!
The GOP wasn’t happy that they weren’t able to totally kill the party in 2006-2008 with their insane push against America to give amnesty (and then some!) to illegals. THey have to jump off that building again.
Fvckers.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 27, 2013 at 8:04 PM
Don’t let the gates of hell hit you on the way in, Weeper Boehner.
Funny how none of the obama’s actions over the last four years have seemed to cause Boehner any alarm, yet a simple rebuff by Moochelle and he’s out there screaming that Obama means to destroy the GOP.
sartana on January 27, 2013 at 8:06 PM
If this doesn’t get you to vote for a third party, nothing will. It isn’t just Boehner, all the repubs voted for this loser and higher taxes.
Panther on January 27, 2013 at 8:13 PM
They had a chance to replace him a few weeks ago, but it doesn’t mean they can’t force him out now. The people that the TP’ers sent to DC need to have a no confidence vote now and force him out now before we have further debates on upcoming fiscal deals.
AH_C on January 27, 2013 at 8:18 PM
They had a chance to replace him a few weeks ago, but it doesn’t mean they can’t force him out now. The people that the TP’ers sent to DC need to have a no confidence vote now and force him out now before we have further debates on upcoming fiscal deals. Good grief already
AH_C on January 27, 2013 at 8:20 PM
Yep. Somehow these mental giants of the Gelded Old Party cling to the belief that if they play along with the Dems plan on immigration that they will somehow magically acquire new constituents, same as the Dems. Everyone knows what repeating the same actions and expecting different results means; except these idiots. They are so enamored with the idea of maintaining ‘business as usual’ in DC that they are blind to their own imminent destruction. POtuS Bronco Bama has a plan in action to ‘fundamentally change’ America and the Repubs are squabbling amongst themselves and jockeying for position on a sinking ship that is already listing to one side (guess which?). As an American this is embarrassing and infuriating.
ghostwalker1 on January 27, 2013 at 8:28 PM
Paul Ryan may just be another GOP swish and quite boring to most of us, his female cheerlaeder corps at Hot Air believe he should be the next GOP nominee simply based on his looks, his hair and his pecs.
bw222 on January 27, 2013 at 8:34 PM
FIFY
conservative tarheel on January 27, 2013 at 8:36 PM
to do that would require him to be a leader something he is not … he is a pol
conservative tarheel on January 27, 2013 at 8:39 PM
Nope, it’ll be whoever is Next In Line: Jeb.
And you will get all sorts of Republican Apparatchiks that will try to tout him as ‘conservative’ as compared to… OBAMA.
Well, yeah, Mussolini is conservative compared to him, too. Ditto Tito and Trotsky.
Just you wait, the new low bar in the Republican Party to be a ‘conservative’ will be to be less liberal than Obama. More than FDR or Wilson, but less than Obama.
ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM
Weepy John is the GOP’s highest ranking politico in the Ruling Class.
Look, we get the leadership we deserve.
The cultural Gramscians and the The Ruling Class elites are to sides of the same coin.
If you;re new around here and don’t know what I’m talking about here’s your homework assignment:
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the
It’s essential reading.
Bruno Strozek on January 27, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Mr. Boehner, I send my regrets too. Regrets that you, in your short time as Speaker, have damaged us so much.
And also, regrets that you haven’t been replaced yet.
petefrt on January 27, 2013 at 8:53 PM
“Boehner sends his regret” well that all we’ve gotten since he’s been Speaker. If a little backbone was forthcoming, we just might get through the next two years, but I doubt the backbone part will be forthcoming.
savage24 on January 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM
Definitely.
Another foundational classic: Policy Review,
Why There is a Culture War:
Gramsci and Tocqueville in America
by John Fonte.
petefrt on January 27, 2013 at 9:00 PM
I would like to send along some of my regrets.
I regret that I supported John McCain as a Presidential candidate.
I regret that I ever believed John Roberts was an honorable conservative man.
I regret that I believed any of the Republicans in Congress or Washington actually were going to fight for the people.
I regret that I believed the Republicans stood for principles and would stand up for those principles.
I regret that John Boehner is what we have for leadership in the Republican Party.
I regret that I actually believed all the pundits who said Romney had a chance and was a good candidate.
I regret I didn’t purchase more Assault Rifles and multiple high capacity magazines, plus 10 years worth of ammunition.
With all those regrets I can say I have one thing I do not regret, pulling up stakes and getting the he!! out of New York.
stormridercx4 on January 27, 2013 at 9:01 PM
Wow, they [the ruling class] really think we’re stupid out here outside the bubble. He and his cohorts knew exactly what they were doing. This mea culpa is insulting to my very being.
SouthernGent on January 27, 2013 at 10:01 PM
If the speaker is truly remorseful, he can close out the Kabuki theater show, take a conservative stand, stick to it regardless of the consequences, and never bait and switch again.
Speakup on January 27, 2013 at 10:01 PM
We have one of the two halves of the legislative branch. We control the side that holds the purse strings. How exactly are we at a damn disadvantage?
To hell with Obama. He’ll make a lot of fuss, but no way would he veto any agreement that made it to his desk. And if he did, that would be great for us. Lock him out if negotiations. Use the debt limit as a defacto balanced budget amendment. We have so much power on our side but zero willingness to make use of it. It sickens me.
TexasDan on January 27, 2013 at 10:19 PM
So sorry about that surrender for you peons but not for me thingy.
Adolf did let me live it up at the spa for a while. Oh well, the Champagne is about cold so I hope you bought my synthetic remorse.
Love and kisses,
Henri Boehner Petain
viking01 on January 27, 2013 at 10:23 PM
And this sentiment is exactly why Boehner and those who think like him (you, apparently) fail, and will continue to fail. You have no clue of how this should be happening, do you? Of the actual position of power that Boehner has if he had 2 brain cells and half a spine?
This piece is almost as pathetic as Boehner’s mewling whine. Ugh.
Midas on January 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM
My dogs, too.
Midas on January 27, 2013 at 10:41 PM
BOEHNER SUCKS……and always will……but so does the gop.
Pathetic disgrace.
PappyD61 on January 27, 2013 at 10:41 PM
We all have regrets, Mr Speaker. If we don’t then we’re brazenly arrogant. Boehner is between a rock and a hard place. Not much can be done until we win a majority again. Yet he gets blamed and is used as a scapegoat while the GOP Hierarchy skates. Its their extreme poor strategy and tainted brand that causes them to continue to lose. And they will continue to lose, I fear.
Darvin Dowdy on January 27, 2013 at 11:10 PM
Then – you’re a FREAKIN’ IDIOT who’s head is shoved SO FAR up their Butt, that you’re suffering from Cardio-Cranial THROMBOSIS!
….and you’re a Elitist Establishment Republican – which is THE SAME as an Elitist Democrat…
…which apparently is what all of the poster from this Blog are….
williamg on January 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM
Violence is a terrible thing to consider……but it’s just about time we did…..
……and I’m not just talking about the politicians…..
williamg on January 28, 2013 at 12:04 AM
You are absolutely correct.
Fonte’s piece was one of the most influential articles I read on my journey from brain dead liberal to conservative/libertarian.
A masterful work.
Bruno Strozek on January 28, 2013 at 12:19 AM
Boehner is a loser.
Sherman1864 on January 28, 2013 at 5:09 AM
Incorrect. The One is Chamberlain, who appeased Hitler at every opportunity so he could effectively ignore foreign policy to concentrate on his redistributionist domestic policies for Britain.
Boehner is Sir Samuel Hoare, the Tory minister (Foreign Secretary at one time, Home Secretary at another) who would change sides in an instant if there was something in it for him personally. Namely, power and influence.
For a good primer of exactly how this all worked and how it nearly destroyed Britain even without the Second World War, look up the Granada TV docudrama series Winston Churchill; The Wilderness Years, starring Robert Hardy as WSC and Edward (“The Equalizer”) Woodward as Hoare. The portrait of Hoare is devastatingly accurate, and is so much like Boehner it isn’t even mildly amusing.
Boehner represents the GOP contingent of what Codevila calls “the ruling class” inside the Beltway. Who don’t mind being the junior partners in a de facto one-party state as long as they get paid regularly.
And they share the Democrats contempt for everyone outside of their cozy little club.
PS- If you think Boehner folded like paper on the budget, just wait till you see what he’ll do on Obama & Feinstein’s gun ban plan. I suspect he will ink up his head and rubber-stamp whatever they demand, in person and on national TV.
clear ether
eon
eon on January 28, 2013 at 7:05 AM
The GOP will betray you.
fossten on January 28, 2013 at 7:23 AM