Boehner’s “fiscal cliff” progress report: No progress

posted at 2:04 pm on December 7, 2012 by Allahpundit

If, like Krauthammer, you think Obama’s fiscal-cliff stance is more about driving a wedge in the House GOP caucus than in deficit reduction, then yeah, of course there’s no progress.

But maybe there’s “progress” to come?

House Republican leadership staffers have privately discussed — but mostly dismissed — the idea of passing two tax bills: one to extend all rates, even for families making above $250,000 annually; and a second to extend just middle-class income rates, along with a patch to the Medicare reimbursement rate and alternative minimum tax. Both would pass the House, the thinking goes, but only the Democrat-favored one helping the bottom 98 percent of earners would make it through the Senate…

Republican aides see the dual-tax bill proposal as a loser for GOP lawmakers committed to extending all the Bush tax rates, which are set to expire at year’s end. Pursuing the plan — absent major concessions from Obama on entitlement reform — would be akin to waving a white flag on the central issue of the lame-duck session, they argue.

“We’ve had two years of failed mechanisms and cliff-like dates. We don’t need another effort to kick the can down the road without accomplishing even the slightest of entitlement reforms,” one GOP aide said. “If folks aren’t willing to do the hard work now — immediately after an election and farthest from the next election — then we’ve got no hope of ever resolving this constant uncertainty. Frankly, we’re better confronting the cliff and going over than contemplating this proposal.”

Besides, Republicans say it’s far too early to even consider such a move. It’s a discussion for Dec. 26, not Dec. 6, one aide said.

Supposedly it’s just staffers who are talking about the two-bill fig leaf, not Boehner, Cantor, et al., but with Tom Cole having already called for compromising on tax hikes for the rich, somehow I think leadership’s aware of the idea. I do think Cole’s right that if they’re going to do this, they’re better off doing it sooner rather than later. If they’re so terrified of going over the cliff that they’d resort to the two-bill maneuver on December 26, Obama will capitalize on their panic and scale back any concessions. If they endorse the idea now, though, then they’d detonate his talking point about Republican obstructionism and could spend the next three weeks pressuring him to show the same sort of seriousness and bipartisanship on deficit reduction that they showed by reluctantly agreeing to his tax hikes. A senior Republican aide told Byron York yesterday, “There’s a growing sense that it is hard to imagine a scenario in which the top rates don’t go up somehow.” If that’s the case, where you’re staring at a fait accompli, then why not go the Coulter route and deprive Obama of his big party-of-the-rich talking point? He’s the one who’s fundamentally unserious about deficits, not the GOP; let’s spend three weeks talking about that instead of what the top bracket should be. (Tellingly, Boehner didn’t rule out tax hikes on the rich today.)

But then, all of this depends on the assumption that Obama has less to lose from going over the cliff than the GOP does. See Erick Erickson for an argument to the contrary. If you believe the polling, Republicans will get most of the blame if we reach January 1 with no deal. But Erickson’s right that midterm elections tend to be referendums on the White House. If rates go up across the board and we slip back into a recession because Obama and Boehner are deadlocked, will House Republicans be blamed for that two years from now or will The One be blamed? That’s question one. Question two is, if you go the Cole/Coulter route and publicly offer to raise taxes on the rich in exchange for serious cuts and then we end up in a stalemate because Obama refuses, will that affect the calculus on whom the public ultimately holds responsible?


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Question two is, if you go the Cole/Coulter route and publicly offer to raise taxes on the rich in exchange for serious cuts and then we end up in a stalemate because Obama refuses, will that affect the calculus on who the public ultimately blames?

Silly question. The media will make sure the public blames the GOP, no matter who does what.

The Rogue Tomato on December 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Who the hell is Allahpundit and what have you done with Erika?!

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Doughboy on December 7, 2012 at 2:10 PM

But Erickson’s right that midterm elections tend to be referendums on the White House.

Yeah, just like this last election. Enough of these BS prognosticators pushing their wishes ahead reality. EE is a younger Dick Morris.

Boehner will cave. The electoral-referendum will be on the right as evidenced by the civil-dustups currently indicate.

Capitalist Hog on December 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM

My prediction is that Bonner will cave on Dec. 21st.

Oil Can on December 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Boehner’s “fiscal cliff” progress report: No progress

yeah, how about that? Well time for a 2 o’clock bourbon..

..see years ago Reagan and Tip o’Neil used to do that….

..of course that was after they actually got things done.

ToddPA on December 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

You know who won’t be punished by House “leadership”? Cole.

As for the exit questions, The Rogue Tomato nailed it.

Steve Eggleston on December 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Raise taxes sharply on those making $1,000,000 or more, and eliminate the trust-fund loophole. See Democrats squirm like an earthworm on a frying pan.

Archivarix on December 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

It ain’t over till the orange man cries.

Chuck Schick on December 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

This dweeb needs to stop playing games and call this POS president out for the fraud that he is

Grow some damn balls Boehner!

jawkneemusic on December 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

If you don’t think taxes should be raised on anyone, then stick to your guns, pass a f*%$ing bill and let the chips fall where they may. Don’t pull some BS two bills method because now you are just spineless.

tommer74 on December 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Why the f*** does it matter if the Republicans get the blame for anything? It’s not like there is an election this year.

LIB

LOOI (Let Obama Own It)

Get rid Boehner

Then get a spokesperson that can actually articulate what is wrong with BO’s fiscal policy instead of letting the MSM define it.

SPCOlympics on December 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

My prediction is that Bonner will cave on Dec. 21st.

Oil Can on December 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Before or After the Mayan Calender Apocalypse?

portlandon on December 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

A perfect scapegoat pic, if ever I see one.

Has Boner explained the recent musical chair swap within GOP yet?

Sir Napsalot on December 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

The days of Newt Gingrich as House Speaker are sorely missed.

portlandon on December 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Jeez. Just hold a press conference that is designed to turn into a series of TV commercials and say, “This President has presented a laughable proposal which has no purpose other than to drive a wedge between Americans. At such time as he feels like having a grown up conversation, we’re ready to do so. But, so long as he wants to continue to play childish politics with the American economy and its workers, we will not be a party to it, and if as a result of his continuing campaign — which we’re all sick and tired of — taxes increase on everyone, Mr. Obama signed legislation doing just that. Very simply, he owns it.”

Then, go home. Don’t sit around for more nonsense. Just go home.

FiveG on December 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Allah is back

Hope vacay was a blast

cmsinaz on December 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Before or After the Mayan Calender Apocalypse?

portlandon on December 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

I now call it the Barackalypse.

Oil Can on December 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Before or After the Mayan Calender Apocalypse?

portlandon on December 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Same time. That’s part of the Apocalypse.

Jabberwock on December 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM

I say you pass a bill, like the Ryan plan, and send it to the Senate. Then spend every opportunity announcing that if there isn’t a deal then it is Harry Reid’s fault.

BTW, where exactly is the rat-eared wonder in these discussions? Why is he spending his time campaigning for something that won’t even get a majority vote in the Senate instead of working with Congressional leadership to come up with some solution? That really should be pointed out as well.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Besides, Republicans say it’s far too early to even consider such a move. It’s a discussion for Dec. 26, not Dec. 6, one aide said.

Have yourself a Merry Little Cliffmas.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM

It’s a discussion for Dec. 26, not Dec. 6, one aide said.

What are they going to do, go to Hawaii to negotiate with the King?

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 2:20 PM

If rates go up across the board and we slip back into a recession because Obama and Boehner are deadlocked, will House Republicans be blamed for that two years from now or will The One be blamed? That’s question one. Question two is, if you go the Cole/Coulter route and publicly offer to raise taxes on the rich in exchange for serious cuts and then we end up in a stalemate because Obama refuses, will that affect the calculus on whom the public ultimately holds responsible?

Regarding the first question, it’s tough to say. Initially even if polls say a majority of the public blames the GOP for going over the cliff, the midterms will still be 22 months away. It’s not like the American people(including the conservative base) were all that enamored with Republicans circa January 2009, yet there the party was less than 2 years later destroying the Dems in the 2010 midterms. So public sentiment absolutely could shift toward blaming Obama if we go into another recession(or worse).

As far as the second question, I don’t think that’ll make much of a difference for the GOP. If the public is deadset on blaming Republicans for going over the cliff, they’re gonna blame them. No matter how much they try in good faith to meet Obama halfway(or in this case about 95% of the way).

Doughboy on December 7, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Fight the commie Democrats now or fight them when our side is even weaker.

Former Pres. Bush is going to side with the commie Democrats and Obama on an amnesty.
McCain too, and his gang of RINO’s.

Once the two party evil money cult in Washington D.C. gets the bargin sale of the rights of U.S. Citizenship done we the people will not even be worth the wages they pay U.S. now. We will be in competion with third world wage slaves.

Wake Up, Fight.

We are all the new Apache now. The price for U.S. is cheap.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Obama will capitalize on their panic…

You want to see panic…vote present to whatever Obama wants…then you’ll see real panic…

PatriotRider on December 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

BRING ON:

1) AMERICAN IDOL
2) RUPAUL’S DRAG RACE
3) THE BIGGEST LOSER
4) THE HOBBIT OR SOME OTHER STUPID BIG EVENT MOVIE

BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY, IT’S CITIZENS, CONGRESS, PRESIDENT, ETC, ETC, ETC. IS ONE BIG FAT F_CKING JOKE.

GhoulAid on December 7, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Not sure what the answer is. I just want Obama to get the blame when the economy finally dives again. What does the GOP need to do to ensure this?

Jack_Burton on December 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Don’t pull some BS two bills method because now you are just spineless.

tommer74 on December 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Yeah, and it is just stupid because it essentially is telling the rats that they can pick and choose what to pass. That isn’t leadership. IMO Boehner has to go because he is part of the problem.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Has Boner explained the recent musical chair swap within GOP yet?

Sir Napsalot on December 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

That is going to be the final unraveling of Boehner and the end of his job.

16 votes and he’s gone.

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The R’s need to stop worrying about paying a political price for going over the cliff. Obama got the blame for everything from foreign policy debacles, green tech boondoggles, Obamacare, and a jacked up economy w/ high unemployment. He still got re-elected.

Do what you got elected for. Forget the rest.

moc23 on December 7, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Not sure what the answer is. I just want Obama to get the blame when the economy finally dives again. What does the GOP need to do to ensure this?

Jack_Burton on December 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Start calling out his failures. I am sick and tired of the GOP afraid of some filthy radical calling them racist if they have any criticism of a minority. He needs to own all of this.

Susan Rice, for example, apparently can’t be called out for lying her ass off on five Sunday talk shows without charges of racism and sexism arise over what is really gross incompetence. Even if you believe her continued claim that she was giving the best information available (she wasn’t), she and the administration did a poor job and should be called on it.

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ChuckTX on December 7, 2012 at 2:31 PM

John “The Sell Out” Boehner, is working with the Traitor-in-chief, to get taxes shoved down the throats of Americans. Like Gen. Custer, Boehner is out matched due to his betrayal of common sense, for the sake of glory! Boehner knows of & was Party to, the Arming of Al-Qaeda, so he can say nothing against the Traitor-in-chief or everybody will know he is also a Traitor to the American People!
Ok, wait. Let5′s guess how this will play out… The day before New Years, The Scumbags involved will announce a deal that is too important to read & must be passed now, before we go over the cliff & the end of the world ensues! Yadda, Yadda, Yadda… It’s a good thing we’ve never seen or heard of this, ever happening before!

http://www.paratisiusa.blogspot.com

God Bless America!

paratisi on December 7, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Fall off and get it over with. We’re not going to get the mefia on our side. Im so sick of politicians celebrities and the media I hope they all get hit hard with taxes and layoffs. They may have to hurt. Its going to fail lets do it spectacularly

ldbgcoleman on December 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Not sure what the answer is. I just want Obama to get the blame when the economy finally dives again. What does the GOP need to do to ensure this?

Jack_Burton on December 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

By voting ‘present’ and giving Obama and his destructive party what it wants – minus the ridiculous demand that the executive branch have unilateral power over the debt ceiling.

Common Sense Floridian on December 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Have yourself a Merry Little Cliffmas.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Well played HN.

hillsoftx on December 7, 2012 at 2:46 PM

ChuckTX on December 7, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Or a new party.

Oil Can on December 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM

The days of Newt Gingrich as House Speaker are sorely missed.

portlandon on December 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Newt resigned in disgrace. Never did find out what for.
Now if only we could get Boehner to resign, he’s also a disgrace.

Buttercup on December 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM

But the president’s request out there and Republicans vote present.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM

What are they going to do, go to Hawaii to negotiate with the King?

JPeterman on December 7, 2012 at 2:20 PM

If by “negotiate”, you mean “capitulate”, you got it.

Steve Eggleston on December 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Newt resigned in disgrace. Never did find out what for.
Now if only we could get Boehner to resign, he’s also a disgrace.

Buttercup on December 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Just what do you think Boehner can do . . . not what he could or should do, but what can he do?

Don’t misunderstand, I’m on your team but I’m not sure there is any positive thing Boehner can do to influence the action he wants before the “cliff” becomes an inevitability.

rplat on December 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Here’s the real dilemma for Republicans (if they’re serious at all about what they’re really after) and it’s not about taxes.

You want to talk about budget cuts?

Fact #1: Barack Obama is in the White House
Fact #2: The only way you’re going to get cuts is through the sequester.

The cliff is the only choice to cut anything, even though the cuts are done with a meat-cleaver. Thinking otherwise, believing Barack Obama will blink and agree to cut his champagne budget, much less anything meaningful (clue: he truly doesn’t care what happens to the economy; see, e.g., the last four years), is pure fantasy.

IndieDogg on December 7, 2012 at 3:00 PM

The Republicans have allowed the Democrats to harp on the “Bush tax cuts for the rich” since they were passed. It’s time to go over the cliff, let all the rates rise and then let those people, lucky enough to still have a job, see how much those tax cuts saved them.
The Democrats have made the political calculation that the press is going to side with them so there will be no consequences to forcing the Republicans to cave. It’s time for Republicans to force the Democrats to answer questions, such as why they’re not negotiating.

The Republicans really have to deal with their media problem. As long as Democrats can do what they want and have the press as their voice, the Republicans are never going to win a national debate. The beauty of this is they really don’t have to. These are House Representatives who have their own districts which are a lot easier to get their messaging out to than either a Senate candidate or a national candidate. In this instance, the Democrats don’t have as much control.

bflat879 on December 7, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Someone smarter than me once said, “It’s amazing how much you can accomplish when you don’t care who gets the credit.”

Substitute “blame” for “credit.”

CurtZHP on December 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM

… all of this depends on the assumption that Obama has less to lose from going over the cliff than the GOP does.

Somehow, the Republicans have been fooled into believing this. BO has a legacy to protect … he may hate the US, but he protects his legacy, his image, as any rapper would. He’s scared.

If you believe the polling, Republicans will get most of the blame if we reach January 1 with no deal

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Somehow, the Republicans have been fooled into believing this too. But the MSM has much influence, and the Republicans seem inexplicably weak and stupid, and unwilling to even defend themselves, so maybe this is a legitimate fear.

Recall turboTax Timmy’s mouth a couple of weeks ago. BO seems to be doubling-down on forcing his “my-way-or-the-highway” position on Boehner. They’re scared, and only Boehner’s collapse will save them.
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Look at how many D Senators, who are up for re-election, refuse to do more than wait to see what happens. Other than Pelosi, and a few “safe” Democratic Congressmen, how many of them are taking a public position on the fiscal cliff? Just like ObamaCare, they really insist on Republican support. They’re scared. They know they’re wrong.
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The Democrats are scared that they will be blamed for failing to avoid the fiscal cliff, and the resulting economic failures to follow.
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Now is the time to force them to make a public stand. Keep Spending Decisions away from BO, aside from the fact that HE didn’t earn the trillions he wants to spend, HE’s never made any money … and the money he spends (Annenberg) NEVER results in any measurable or even detectable success.
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2014 is on the minds of the Democrats.
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The fiscal cliff is entirely of their own making.
The deficit is entirely of their own making.
Unemployment is entirely of their own making.
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Paste these things on them.

Arbalest on December 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Just what do you think Boehner can do . . . not what he could or should do, but what can he do?

Don’t misunderstand, I’m on your team but I’m not sure there is any positive thing Boehner can do to influence the action he wants before the “cliff” becomes an inevitability.

rplat on December 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM

He CAN resign but aside from that he can’t do anything because he’s a spineless self-serving politican who doesn’t stand for anything.

Buttercup on December 7, 2012 at 3:26 PM

How hard is it for Boehner to come before the cameras and microphones to tell the American people that if Obysmal does not negotiate in good faith, all of the taxpayers, middle class or otherwise, will lose the Bush tax rates that they have enjoyed for the past 8-11 years. They stand the chance of losing the child-care credit of $1000 per child if the tax rates revert to the pre-Bush rates of $500 per child.

Are the Republicans that afraid of associating themselves with Bush that they are willing to act as if the Dems are offering a gift to the taxpayers?

Make the fiscal cliff mean something in dollars and cents to the average taxpayer or small business owner already.

onlineanalyst on December 7, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Propose a tax on assets…and let the Hollywood scream…

You want taxes on the wealthy? One time 50% tax on assets greater than $50,000,000. Anyone can live a good life on $25,000,000…so added to that is a 75% tax on any billion dollars and greater of assets.

Let’s see them get serious, and let’s see just how “sincere” they are about taxing the wealthy.

The “wealthy”, the true “wealthy” don’t have incomes of any worth to tax.

Our wealthiest neighborhood has an income of less than $75,000 per year…they could care less about “taxing the wealthy”, they are not affected, while living in their multi-million dollar homes.

right2bright on December 7, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Has Boner explained the recent musical chair swap within GOP yet?

Sir Napsalot on December 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

They don’t have to explain anything to the lumpen proletariat. We just get the bill and the decrees for proper behavior and additude.

Anyone explain F&F..Benghazi..takeovers of health and car companies, anddd…..oh the hell with it.

Mimzey on December 7, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Boehner and the Republicans should call Obama’s bluff and let the country go over the fiscal cliff, by simply doing nothing. I suggest that will be a good thing as it will cut wasteful defense and domestic spending, which should be done.

Sure, the Republicans will get the blame now, but so what? The American electorate is composed primarily of fools and idiots, as they so aptly demonstrated on Nov. 6. They voted for higher taxes, so give it to them. In a year from now, when the nation is mired in recession, these fools will start to blame Obama and the Democrats. There will be a hue and cry for lower taxes and Republicans can run on that in 2014.

And don’t give me any of this crap about doing what’s right for the country. The American people voted for Obama again so, in effect, they voted for American socialism and the destruction of their country. They deserve what they are going to get.

RUDYJ on December 7, 2012 at 3:31 PM

is there anyone who thinks Rs can ‘win’ this. No. So i don’t even know why they are still giving pressers

every time these people are on the tv, the stupider they look. Don’t play small ball people…maybe this is theater so that when they go back home they can tell there business buddies that they ‘fought hard’ for them.

they will lose the war tho. Give barry these taxes…because barry is gonna start bailing out his city friends…better be holding pressers on conservative principles and what the left wing machine has in store

r keller on December 7, 2012 at 3:32 PM

They are not audacious enough. Just do it.
Maybe they should read “The Audacity of Hope” for inspiration as to how far nothing but a “There…we did it. Now what are you going to do”, can go. Push them off balance for once.

Mimzey on December 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM

The economy is oh so frightful,
and “going Galt” is so delightful.
We’ve really no place to turn,
so let it burn, let it burn, let it burn.

Libraritarian on December 7, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Just what do you think Boehner can do . . . not what he could or should do, but what can he do?

Don’t misunderstand, I’m on your team but I’m not sure there is any positive thing Boehner can do to influence the action he wants before the “cliff” becomes an inevitability.

rplat on December 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Boehner should be out in front of the cameras and microphones loudly and repeatedly with accurate talking points from a House member who understands economics and tax policy.

Boehner could also throw in a few zingers (as Reid does with impunity). He could point out that Obysmal has known about the end of the extension of the Bush tax rates as long as Congress has, yet Preezy was too busy running for re-election to address serious fiscal issues. Someone needs to tell Obysmal that the campaign is over and that it is time negotiate in good faith.

onlineanalyst on December 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Obama will deem any bill he favors passed. He will also deem himself all exhalted power to raise the debt limit anytime he wants. The Pubes will do nothing and we’ll like it.

Mr. Arrogant on December 7, 2012 at 3:46 PM

And for crying out loud, Boehner, keep saying that we have a SPENDING problem, not a “Revenue” problem.

onlineanalyst on December 7, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Newt resigned in disgrace. Never did find out what for.
Now if only we could get Boehner to resign, he’s also a disgrace.

Buttercup on December 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I think they lost a few seats in the mid-term and he took the blame. Something about going for an impeachment over a president lying under oath and getting bad PR from demedia for it only being about sex or something.

DanMan on December 7, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Arbalest on December 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Amen to all of your observations.

onlineanalyst on December 7, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Arbalest on December 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM

second that online, Harry Reid proved Arbalest correct with his refusal to call for a vote on Obama’s budget and it was driven home the next day when Jay Carney lied about the filibuster being in the way of that vote. Keep the pressure on and do what your constituents sent you there for GOP. If Obama is determined to go over the cliff make sure he owns it. He is betting high with a pair of twos in his hand.

DanMan on December 7, 2012 at 4:04 PM

There are no negotiations because the wannabe dictator and Community-Organizer-in-Chief is not interested in negotiating or compromising on anything.

There was more in his demand “offer” than higher taxes on the “wealthy”. He wanted more spending, another stimulus, an “enabling act” giving him unlimited borrowing power with no debt ceiling, essentially no spending cuts, and significantly more new tax revenue than can be realized by raising rates on the “wealthy”.

After he made his demand “offer” the GOP made a counter offer. Teh One has offered nothing since. He has not budged on any part of his demands “offer”.

Meanwhile, Republicans all over are cracking and caving on his higher taxes on the “wealthy” demand, formulating their own next offer to an intransigent wannabe dictator who has not budged on any of his offer demands.

If the socialist class warfare warrior was “negotiating” in good faith there could be movement, or at least talks, in areas besides higher rates on the wealthy. But there is not.

Apparently he will not even consider discussing anything else until the Republicans give in to his higher tax rate demand. That is not how good faith negotiations work. In normal negotiations talks continue even there is a stalemate in one area. In good faith negotiations attempts are made by both sides to try to come to agreement in other areas when there is a stalemate in one area.

The wannabe dictator is demanding total submission by the GOP and if he doesn’t get it we go over the cliff. This is how a dictatorship works, not a representative democracy. A very substantial portion of the electorate did not vote for Dear Leader and does not agree with him on taxes. He is giving them his middle finger.

farsighted on December 7, 2012 at 4:15 PM

I also agree with farsighted. Obama is way over playing his hand. Boehner may be the target of our ire right now but he is not the problem. Obama is. Let’s pipe down and focus.

In the mean time, spend carefully and do not support those you know are working with Obama and against you.

DanMan on December 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Boner you ass, it is YOU and the GOP leadership that is ‘slow walking’ us into ruin. Obama-Geitner want to do it Thelma & Louise style, pedal to the metal.

rayra on December 7, 2012 at 4:53 PM

BOehner IS part of the problem. As Speaker of the House he should be bowling one peice of finance legislation at the Democrats EVERY DAY. He should be bowling a BUDGET at the Senate EVERY WEEK. Vote vote vote vote. Make the Democrats put their treasonous malfeasance ON RECORD.
Instead Boehner is negotiating with himself and acceding to the marxists’ deliberate destruction of our economy. He plays right into their hands.

rayra on December 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Just what do you think Boehner can do . . . not what he could or should do, but what can he do?

Don’t misunderstand, I’m on your team but I’m not sure there is any positive thing Boehner can do to influence the action he wants before the “cliff” becomes an inevitability.

rplat on December 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Well, for one thing he could say something like “Quit playing games if you want the Department of Education funded next year….”

PersonFromPorlock on December 7, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Boehner may be the target of our ire right now but he is not the problem. Obama is. Let’s pipe down and focus.

DanMan on December 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Ok sure but when Boehner appeases the dictator and raises taxes I’ll hate on him some more. I have no reason to believe Boehner won’t cave.

Buttercup on December 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Do Republicans really think that the midterms will be another 2008? Only if it means getting more of the Establishment out. This fight is not with Democrats, it’s within the Republican Party, and long overdue. Most of the pollsters and political analysts, like Coulter, were wrong during the election. I can’t believe that we are talking about how each side can avoid being blamed. How about an honest discussion from our representatives about exactly what to expect when we do fall. Not a talking point about kicking cans down the road, but the real facts.

lea on December 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM

…present!

KOOLAID2 on December 7, 2012 at 5:32 PM

LET IT BURN!!!!!TO the freaking ground!!!!!!!Recess NOW!!!!!!Or offer to lower tax rates on everyone to a 15% flat tax rate for all incomes. Period. Bring it to a house vote and let the dems reject it. Show some balls. Who gives a dam about the tax rate on the rich faux argument. It is not rocket science.Reform the tax code, NOW. We all know entitlements are never going to be reduced. So do something doable, NOW!!!!!

they lie on December 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Time for conservatives to quit supporting the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, and the other entertainers. They are nothing more than entertainers. They support Pubs., period. They would never support a conservative third party or even a Libertarian party. Quit listening to all these hacks at Fox News. talk radio,National Review, etc. They suck and are in it for themselves. They lead us around like a bunch of sheep. What the hail have we accomplished as conservatives with them? NOTHING!!! Absolutely NOTHING!!!!!!!Quit making them our GODS!!!!They are entertainers and book salesmen. Modern day Snake oil salesmen. We can do better. If we can’t we are doomed. Rush has never NOT been a spokesman for the RNC. Coulter thought Christy was GOD!!! And we worship at the feet of these charlatans. If they were so great they would be running for office or speech writers. What are they? FKING entertainers.

they lie on December 7, 2012 at 5:45 PM

DanMan on December 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM

I disagree, this is a cumulative problem that has been done by both parties, leaving the public with no one that they can count on. Obviously I don’t have the answers but there are no heroes here or even anyone attempting to be.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 5:54 PM

they lie on December 7, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Thanks for suggesting that people are incapable of thinking for themselves. I appreciate your concern but I’ll watch, read and listen to anyone I damn well please and analyze their contributions accordingly.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Obama’s too busy going over color samples for his inauguration party to bother with trivialities like the impending national spending crisis.

Socratease on December 7, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Okay, I’ve tried to give this jerk the benefit of the doubt, more than that actually, for far too long now. Boehner’s gotta go, as far as I’m concerned. The sooner, the better.

If he caves to the Obama on tax hikes, we’re toast. Rush explained the Obama’s tax hike game well today. It’s a setup for destroying the GOP.

With DeMint at Heritage, we can decide whether to reshape the GOP or go the third party route. Either way, Boehner and ilk are not in this picture.

My hope is the future is with Heritage, the Club for Growth, and Freedom Works.

petefrt on December 7, 2012 at 6:21 PM

they lie on December 7, 2012 at 5:45 PM

And who, dare I ask, would you suggest we support? A few names, pls.

petefrt on December 7, 2012 at 6:26 PM

petefrt on December 7, 2012 at 6:26 PM

NOT entertainers who never do anything except carry the RNC water. It’s time conservatives support conservative leaders who are running for office or who are already elected to start carrying their own water instead of letting entertainers lead the sheepple. We could start with Boehner and McConnell. My point is that we have entertainers and book salesmen leading conservatives. Not those whom we ultimately elect to lead us. They are pretty much silent.

they lie on December 7, 2012 at 6:35 PM

I don’t listen often but the other day while in the car Rush would hardly have been thought of as a fan of the Speaker.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 6:37 PM

That’s part of entertaining you. But have you or anyone else EVER heard him call for a third party or NOT to support the PUB party?? Did he call for pubs. to vote Boehner out as speaker?? Has he EVER called for primarying a sitting PUB? Has he EVER called for supporting a Libertarian candidate?? He’s a RNC shill who can entertain. Don’t get me wrong. I listen to Rush and like him. In fact, I think he is brilliant. But I know he is an entertainer who supports the PUB party 100%. I don’t support the Pub. party. I support conservatives. We need for some of our elected politicians or wannabe politicians other than talk radio or book salesmen/women entertainers to start articulating conservative principles and ideology.

they lie on December 7, 2012 at 6:58 PM

they lie on December 7, 2012 at 6:58 PM

No, Rush doesn’t think a third party is the way to go but to change the Republican party, but if I want to join a third party Rush wouldn’t impact my decision. I don’t know what he has called for, your questions would suggest that we all huddle around our radios waiting for our marching orders. If I wanted to be called stupid, I’d go find a Democrat. The people you mention, just like HotAir, are resources, nothing more, nothing less. As for elected politicians espousing conservatism, don’t look now but that’s a better argument for a third party than anything the punditry has to say since the party is shunning them.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Given Boehner’s incompetent record, I’ll only worry if he reports “progress”. I’m so glad I’m not a Republican anymore.

Over50 on December 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM

December 7, 1941 — a date which will live in infamy…

A date which will live in — Infamy?

Not if you’re HotAir.com — or Google — or Yahoo.

HotAir.com posts NOTHING on Pearl Harbor Day to commemorate the horrific Japanese surprise attack on the American Naval Fleet in port at Pearl Harbor leaving 2,402 Americans killed and 1,282 Americans wounded — many of them civilians.

Pathetic.

This website has gone to crap ever since Michelle Malkin sold out to the highest bidder.

HotAir.com — Guaranteed Soft & SquishyOr Your Money Back

FlatFoot on December 7, 2012 at 11:36 PM

I do think Cole’s right that if they’re going to do this, they’re better off doing it sooner rather than later. If they’re so terrified of going over the cliff that they’d resort to the two-bill maneuver on December 26, Obama will capitalize on their panic and scale back any concessions. If they endorse the idea now, though, then they’d detonate his talking point about Republican obstructionism and could spend the next three weeks pressuring him to show the same sort of seriousness and bipartisanship on deficit reduction that they showed by reluctantly agreeing to his tax hikes

Time for Boehner to go. Perhaps Cantor too. If they don’t have the intestinal fortitude for the fight, then get out. Leadership is just that – So lead or get the hell out of the way.

georgeofthedesert on December 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM