Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on December 6, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

House Speaker John Boehner is under pressure to defy Republican Party orthodoxy on income taxes to rein in the U.S. deficit, with an increasing number of his rank- and-file members saying they’re willing to discuss raising rates for top earners.

A few dozen Republicans have joined a bipartisan call to consider “all options” on taxes and entitlement programs, signaling they are ready to bargain on President Barack Obama’s main condition for a budget deal this month: a tax rate increase for the top 2 percent of U.S. earners.

“We’re at a fork in the road,” said former New Hampshire Senator Judd Gregg, a Republican. Obama and Boehner need to realize “they have to get in a room and work out a deal,” he said, or positions will “start to harden and both sides to some degree are going to be willing to accept going over the cliff.”

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The adage in Washington is that if nobody is talking about what they’re really talking about, that’s a good sign for getting a deal.

In what may be just such a positive sign, President Barack Obama, Speaker John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, and their aides on Thursday seemed to be zipping their lips on the behind-the-scenes fiscal cliff talks after a private Wednesday phone call between the two men. Of course, both sides also continued their public relations fight over debt and taxes.

Lines of communication are open,” one House GOP leadership aide said.

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Consider the Grand Bargain negotiating track. After laughing at President Obama’s offer, Republicans made a counteroffer, of sorts, the other day. One problem with the budget plan put forward by John Boehner is that it’s not a plan, just a sketchy bunch of topline numbers that doesn’t do any of the work of explaining where the higher revenue or lower spending will actually come from. Another problem is that even the sketchy outline has provoked howls of outrage from the right and probably couldn’t pass the House, even without putting any meat on its bones.

So the Grand Bargain track has gotten nowhere. By contrast, the mean, nasty partisan confrontation track is making steady progress. This alternate theory says that if Obama must force Republicans to accept the expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the rich before any deal can happen. And slowly but surely, Republicans are congealing around the recognition that they’ll have to accept the expiration of those tax cuts.

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Right now, he is hoping to lead his fractious GOP to an orderly surrender. The question is no longer whether Republicans will give on taxes; they already have. All that remains to be negotiated is how they will increase taxes, and whether they will do it before or after the government reaches the “fiscal cliff.” …

Earlier in the week, Boehner offered Obama an $800 billion tax increase with the blessing of Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, the Republicans’ vice-presidential nominee this year, and other House leaders. The speaker is trying to hold out for making those hikes come from fewer deductions rather than higher rates, but the White House is feeling so confident that it dismissed Boehner’s offer out of hand. Obama communications director Dan Pfeiffer told Peter Baker of the New York Times that Obama “won’t sign a deal that doesn’t have higher rates for the wealthy. Until they cross that bridge, nothing else is relevant.”

Republicans are looking for face-saving ways to retreat, such as allowing a tax increase to pass the House by voting “present” instead of “no.” Jeb Hensarling (Tex.), the outgoing chairman of the House GOP conference, acknowledged Wednesday on CNN that “the president is going to get his revenue one way or the other.”

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SEN. RAND PAUL: I have yet another thought on how we can fix this. Why don’t we let the Democrats pass whatever they want? If they are the party of higher taxes, all the Republicans vote present and let the Democrats raise taxes as high as they want to raise them, let Democrats in the Senate raise taxes, let the president sign it and then make them own the tax increase. And when the economy stalls, when the economy sputters, when people lose their jobs, they know which party to blame, the party of high taxes. Let’s don’t be the party of just almost as high taxes. …I will announce tonight on your show that I will work with Harry Reid to let him pass his big old tax hike with a simple majority if that’s what Harry Reid wants, because then they will become the party of high taxes and they can own it.

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Reporters: Why is he afraid to put the President’s plan on the floor. Do you think you have democratic support?

Carney: We know that, and the filibuster is certainly an issue here, that we don’t have 60 votes in the Senate. So, I would not argue with the idea that the President’s proposal cannot at this time, or has not at this time, garnered Republican support. That’s what this debate is about. We are very confident that the Democrats support the principle that we need to have $1.6 trillion in revenue, asking the wealthy to pay more as part of a balanced package that the President has put forward. I understand that you’re going along with the gamesmanship here. We’re trying to be serious about these negotiations. We have put forward a proposal. We have seen no substantive proposal, especially on revenues, from the Republicans.

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Let’s understand President Obama’s strategy in the “fiscal cliff” negotiations. It has nothing to do with economics or real fiscal reform. This is entirely about politics. It’s Phase Two of the 2012 campaign. The election returned him to office. The fiscal-cliff negotiations are designed to break the Republican opposition and grant him political supremacy, something he thinks he earned with his landslide 2.8-point victory margin on Election Day. …

What’s going on here? Having taken Boehner’s sword, and then his shirt, Obama sent Geithner to demand Boehner’s trousers. Perhaps this is what Obama means by a balanced approach. …

Such nonsense abounds because Obama’s objective in these negotiations is not economic but political: not to solve the debt crisis but to fracture the Republican majority in the House. Get Boehner to cave, pass the tax hike with Democratic votes provided by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and let the Republican civil war begin.

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At House Speaker John A. Boehner’s request, Senate leaders and Representative Nancy Pelosi have been excluded from talks to avert a fiscal crisis, leaving it to Mr. Boehner and President Obama alone to find a deal, Congressional aides say.

All sides, even the parties excluded, say clearing the negotiating room improves the chance of success. It adds complexity as the two negotiators consult separately with the leaders not in the room. But it also minimizes the number of people who need to say yes to an initial agreement.

“This is now the speaker and the president working this through,” said Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat.

White House aides and the speaker’s staff, by mutual agreement, have largely shut down public communication about the talks to avert hundreds of billions of dollars in automatic tax increases and spending cuts set to begin in January if no deal can be reached. Both sides said on Thursday that lines of communication remained open.

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FloatingRock on December 6, 2012 at 10:49 PM

We all know that this is a farce but you can’t make a bunch of dishonest people honest. You are the one who is always talking about there being little to no difference in the parties, well you are right. I can’t even imagine how bad it has to get before these people admit to themselves they are doing it wrong. A majority just reelected an idiot for another four years and he says out loud that the economy is poised to take off. And nobody laughs. Can you believe that? Nobody laughs.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:57 PM

…I WANT EVERYONE OF THEM TO VOTE…” Present ” ….Sooooo BAD…!!!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM

SECONDED!!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Hey,Great News…………..they might talk after all…(sarc)

And,another Perception/Deception Poll!!!!!!!!!!

Democrats, Republicans hint at renewed talks on US ‘fiscal cliff’

Reuters
Friday, Dec 07, 2012
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WASHINGTON – With little to show after a month of posturing, the White House and Republicans in Congress dropped hints on Thursday that they had resumed low-level private talks on breaking the stalemate over the “fiscal cliff” but refused to divulge details.

A day after a phone conversation between President Barack Obama and John Boehner, the Republican speaker of the House of Representatives, appeared to kick-start communications, both sides used similar language to describe the state of negotiations but imposed a media blackout on developments.

“Lines of communication remain open,” White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters when pressed on whether staff talks were taking place to avoid the steep tax hikes and budget cuts set for the first of next year unless the parties agree on a way to stop them.

Asked the same question, Boehner spokesman Michael Steel also said “lines of communication are open.”

The acknowledgement, even without signs of anything approaching a breakthrough, passed for encouraging news after a week of public manoeuvring on the fiscal cliff by both sides to gain the maximum political and public relations advantage.

Republicans have worried publicly and privately that they are losing the war of appearances in the battle over the cliff.

On Thursday, another poll showed Republicans

may have reason to worry about public perception.

A Quinnipiac University survey found respondents trust Obama and Democrats more than Republicans on the cliff talks by a wide margin – 53 per cent to 36 per cent.
(More…)

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20121207-388115.html
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Release Detail

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1821

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-centers/polling-institute

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Ok doggie walking time!! brb folks :-)

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 11:00 PM

“Lines of communication remain open,” White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters

Translation: The Whitehouse is willing to accept the GOPe complete and total unconditional surrender at any time.

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:01 PM

When the debt ceiling issue comes up again in a few months Obama will no longer have the tax issue to bludgeon the GOP with. The GOP can wage that fight totally on spending, which is much more favorable to them.

Mark1971 on December 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Nope, the democrats and the MSM (but I repeat myself) will spin that event to the GOP wanting to see the country crater over the debt ceiling while bringing up irrelevant future changes when the crisis is now. There will be a spin that will be used to make it look like the GOP wants women and minorities to die in the street by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. Look what happened in the 2011 debt ceiling agreement. Pressure will be brought to bear and the GOP will be pushed to the same point as in the quote:

Right now, he is hoping to lead his fractious GOP to an orderly surrender. The question is no longer whether Republicans will give on …

but instead of “raising taxes”, it will be “raising the debt limit”

/sorry, the next battle will be just like the current battle if the Republicans don’t grow a spine, a pair of cajones and a way around the democrat message machine: the MSM.

AZfederalist on December 6, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Everybody needs to inform their friends and family that the so-called “fiscal cliff” is really only a tiny step toward a more balanced budget, not the end of the world, and that the MSM if full of crap and are trying to manipulate public opinion against taking the responsible course of action using obviously loaded catch phrases. Remind people that the MSM profits from government corruption, too, just look at how much money corrupt politicians paid the MSM in the ’12 election! Without all the corrupt money buying ad space the MSM would probably already be extinct and real news sources might have risen in their stead.

FloatingRock on December 6, 2012 at 11:02 PM

This person says *poof*. Who is it?

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 11:03 PM

*****PopCorn Alert *****(Sarc)

Egyptian army deploys tanks outside Presidential Palace, orders protesters to clear area – @PTI_News

15 mins ago from zeenews.india.com by editor
================================================

Live Feed Tahrir Square

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canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:04 PM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Again? This cannot be good for tourism.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:06 PM

This person says *poof*. Who is it?

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 11:03 PM

SparkPlug:)

Pelosi
Barny Franks
Monica Lewinski!

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I agree with Rand, let then pass and own their policies.

p0s3r on December 6, 2012 at 11:07 PM

If Republicans were conservatives, instead of Democrats Lite, they would demand real cuts to happen immediately before agree to anything to do with revenue. Take the cliff. The media always exaggerates anyway. Does anyone remember the horrific government shut down while Newt was Speaker? ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:09 PM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Again? This cannot be good for tourism.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Cindy Munford:I certainly agree,I now,have no desire to see the
pyramids,and I might have to scratch that,from zee
bucket list!:)(sarc)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Rand Paul rocks.

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:10 PM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Probably just as well because if they get Sharia law they will probably blow them up anyway. I don’t know if you have noticed but those folks appear to be bat shit crazy.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:10 PM

he says out loud that the economy is poised to take off. And nobody laughs. Can you believe that? Nobody laughs.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Thats because their mouths were hanging open in disbelief-I know mine was!

wolverinefan on December 6, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I’m with Rand Paul. Let them burn it down. I want them to own 100% of whatever happens.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Yep. I agree, Cindy.

PatriotGal2257 on December 6, 2012 at 11:10 PM

wolverinefan on December 6, 2012 at 11:10 PM

That’s because you aren’t a member of the media, they all look like a bunch of bobble head dolls.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Egypt Protest Twitter!

Results for #egypt
Related: #tahrir, #morsi, #

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Anti-#Morsy protesters head back to presidential palace http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/anti-morsy-protesters-head-back-presidential-palace … #Egypt
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12 years old. TWELVE. This is who the #MuslimBrotherhood arrested yesterday.His name is Alaa.Feel free 2 cry. #Egypt https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=472831012758430&set=a.204070466301154.46930.175807659127435&type=1&theater

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:13 PM

This person says *poof*. Who is it?

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Oooohh! I know! *raises hand*

It’s Axe … who is currently having an Axecott. LOL!

I will be going *poof* in a bit myself.

PatriotGal2257 on December 6, 2012 at 11:14 PM

*****PopCorn Alert *****(Sarc)

Egyptian army deploys tanks outside Presidential Palace, orders protesters to clear area – @PTI_News

15 mins ago from zeenews.india.com by editor
================================================

Live Feed Tahrir Square

http://reuters.livestation.com/demo

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Meh… I’m all out of popcorn, and besides, aint nothing going on yet, get back to me when they start killing each other in earnest, I’ll make a special popcorn run then…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:14 PM

POOF!

I’ll be darned! It seems to work both coming AND going! lol!

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Again. I ask who the supposed conservative bloggers were that put Rand Paul at the top of their least favored candidates for President in 2016.

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM

I don’t want to raise taxes, I don’t even support our corrupt tax system and prefer the fair-tax, but I would rather “go over the cliff” and take a small step toward balancing the budget than avoid it. Going over the cliff is better than not, because in fact the real cliff is what is ahead if we don’t balance the budget and get America’s financial house in order, ASAP.

Similarly, I would rather “go over the cliff” and take a small step toward balancing the budget than let them “save us” from their made-up “fiscal cliff” by taking an even smaller step toward a balanced budget, if any at all.

FloatingRock on December 6, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Boehner can vote any way he wants but he certainly can’t argue if the rest of the Republicans vote present. The other option I like is just lollygagging until the “Bush” tax cuts expire. Universal pain and it might be fun to watch Obama try to fix it. Can we say retroactive? I know that we can.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:51 PM

With you ma’am. I can take the pain. I’m tired of watching the dems piss and moan for more than ten years about the Boosh tax cuts. Let them expire—after all who demanded that sunset clause?

arnold ziffel on December 6, 2012 at 11:19 PM

House Speaker John Boehner is under pressure to defy Republican Party orthodoxy on income taxes to rein in the U.S. deficit, with an increasing number of his rank- and-file members saying they’re willing to discuss raising rates for top earners.

I’ve said it before and I will say it again – This is not a battle that makes sense (much like all the STUPID Islamic “Nation Building”/COIN (another word for insanity), let alone a hill to die on. Sometimes you have to cut off a foot to save the rest of the body, and the wealthiest 2% are more like a toe. Don’t cut it off and you will likely lose it and a whole lot more, like future elections. Fight on just about everything else, but not this, or you might as well just politically slit your own throats and make the democrats day year decade.

VorDaj on December 6, 2012 at 11:19 PM

The GOP is indeed the Stupid Party™, especially with the current leadership (Boehner and McConnell).

Let us ask how we got to this point in time. Who led the GOP in drafting this stupid “fiscal cliff” plan? Weren’t we told at the time that it would exact painful concessions from the Democrats that they would hastily agree to spending cuts? Alas, our greatest fears have been realized. Our leaders negotiated us into a corner.

And now they happily lead us into negotiating away the only principle that has consistently divided Republicans and Democrats – the concept of lowering taxes for everyone (rich and poor). Because let us not kid ourselves that Boehner and his ilk are conservatives – they are not. They agree with Democrats on expanding the federal government.

I only pray that this incident will lead to their downfall. That the rank-and-file will retire all the so-called GOP moderates and purge them from leadership. That will be the first step in getting America back to her greatness again.

TheRightMan on December 6, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Again. I ask who the supposed conservative bloggers were that put Rand Paul at the top of their least favored candidates for President in 2016.

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Maybe it’s the ones who decided to give the Ronulans a taste of their own medicine, since the Ronulans all voted for Obama to get revenge on the GOP for not nominating their Messiah, Herr Doktor…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Ok doggie walking time!! brb folks :-)

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Enjoy, Scrumpy! I had a beagle when I was a kid; she came from a neighbor who — how shall we say — was not a responsible pet owner. We had two other dogs at the time, a Scottish terrier and a border collie. Once the beagle got used to us, our home and the other two dogs, she was the sweetest thing ever. She used to love being chased up and down the hall, then I’d turn around and she’d chase after me. Great fun!

PatriotGal2257 on December 6, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Similarly, I would rather “go over the cliff” and take a small step toward balancing the budget than let them “save us” from their made-up “fiscal cliff” by taking an even smaller step toward a balanced budget, if any at all.

FloatingRock on December 6, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Any deal agreed to by Boehner will result in abject failure. And with the GOP on board, they will get 100% of the blame for that failure. Better to let Obama get exactly what he wants and let him own the failure. If he refuses to take yes for an answer (e.g., Dems unwilling to pass Obama’s plan after the GOP lets it through the House, voting present), all the better. Demonstrates the GOP wasn’t the obstacle and that Obama and the Dems are solely responsible for going over the cliff.

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:24 PM

I’m with Rand Paul. Let them burn it down. I want them to own 100% of whatever happens.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Cindy Munford:

Rand Paul,is speaking Common Sense,yes,I`m with ya
on that!

Idiot Democrats,have a mind set,that it wouldn`’t be fair,
for those that would have to suffer the consquences,in the
Lefty mindview,

and,that would be,(Obama`s)….Òur People!!!

As an example,this council-woman from MoTown,er,Detroit!:)
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Detroit councilwoman wants bailout in exchange for Obama votes
1:42 PM 12/05/2012
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A Detroit city councilwoman said that President Barack Obama should give the city of Detroit a bailout as a “quid pro quo” in exchange for all the votes he received from city residents.

Council member JoAnn Watson made the suggestion at a city council meeting Tuesday, according to Fox 2 News in Detroit.


“Our people in an overwhelming way supported the re-election of this president and there ought to be a quid pro quo and you ought to exercise leadership on that,” she said. “Of course, not just that, but why not?”
(More…)
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http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/detroit-councilwoman-wants-bailout-in-exchange-for-obama-votes/

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Magical Mystery Tour – Beatles

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:25 PM

You guys don’t get it do you? All of you saying its all Boehner’s fault and the “establishment” and this boogey man or that boogey man and saying, “If only they were conservative enough this wouldn’t be happening!”

Well I posit now, here, that if the republican party right now went into full on with it and acted in the ways many of you would like, the situation and outcome would be much worse and the manner in which our asses got handed to us would be much more severe.

Barack Obama WOULD be able to decimate the Republican party.

Genuine on December 6, 2012 at 11:26 PM

VorDaj on December 6, 2012 at 11:19 PM

It’s not the point. We don’t lack revenue, we spend too much. I’ll will talk revenue until I am blue in the fact if they will just once make an honest cut. Not a slow down in the rate of growth, an hones to God reduction in spending. Of the department that is suppose to be the watchdog on government spending is paying millions of dollars for seminars and conventions, what do you think the rest of them are doing? You cannot convince me that a 5% across the board cut in spending could be done and it is probably more than ten percent. Tell every department and agency that they have to cut their budgets by 5% without firing any staff.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Maybe it’s the ones who decided to give the Ronulans a taste of their own medicine, since the Ronulans all voted for Obama to get revenge on the GOP for not nominating their Messiah, Herr Doktor…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Cutting off their noses to spite their faces? Wonderful.

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:28 PM

The problem is that passing the (effective) tax hike alone does nothing to avoid the “fiscal cliff” – the law specifies a much higher deficit reduction than that revenue alone to avert sequestration. The promise of future cuts is not permitted, the law was written to avoid it. Real cuts, within the budget window of ten years, must be enacted to stop the process of sequestration.

Adjoran on December 6, 2012 at 11:28 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Sounds like a plan..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Barack Obama WOULD be able to decimate the Republican party.

Genuine on December 6, 2012 at 11:26 PM

He already has and who cares.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Remember,Obama talked for a year on the Speechy Tour,of
being stuck in the ditch,and the GOP,won`t help,


well,the Democrat/Socialist Progressives,are behind the wheel…
……driving!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:29 PM

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Cutting off their noses to spite their faces? Wonderful.

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Hey, it worked for the Ronulans…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:29 PM

The Loner – Gary Moore

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I’m tired of watching the dems piss and moan for more than ten years about the Boosh tax cuts. Let them expire—after all who demanded that sunset clause?

arnold ziffel on December 6, 2012 at 11:19 PM

+ 100..Hear..Hear..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Well I posit now, here, that if the republican party right now went into full on with it and acted in the ways many of you would like, the situation and outcome would be much worse and the manner in which our asses got handed to us would be much more severe.

Barack Obama WOULD be able to decimate the Republican party.

Genuine on December 6, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Whether you are correct remains to be seen. Now, since Jan 2011 with all the agreements Major Noboner and the republicans have made how much better are we since we have punted 300 yards?

arnold ziffel on December 6, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Hey, it worked for the Ronulans…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:29 PM

LoLz..It will never work out for them..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:31 PM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:25 PM

The whole state of California is going to need to be bailed out. Detroit is a sad sad case but they keep electing what put them there. They are the very picture book example of Einstein’s theory of insanity.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:32 PM

This person says *poof*. Who is it?

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 11:03 PM

The dude that likes my boring salads.

bazil9 on December 6, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Barack Obama WOULD be able to decimate the Republican party.

Genuine on December 6, 2012 at 11:26 PM

How, exactly? Your post is long on accusation, short on support/argument/rationale. In any event, I’m not sure how being co-opted by the Democrats is significantly better than decimation.

Then again, I didn’t think that Romney’s squishy “me too” statism could win either and looked how that turned out … /

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Hey, it worked for the Ronulans…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Did it? I expect these buffoons to be greeted with similar acclaim.

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:35 PM

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:29 PM

LoLz..It will never work out for them..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:31 PM

When you are batshit crazy like the average Ronulan, well, that little inconvenient fact really doesn’t play into the equation, besides, Bush brought down World Trade Center 7 with nano-thermite…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:35 PM

The Democrats should be allowed to learn the hard lesson most people learn early in life… wanting something is often so much better, the fantasy of the desire, than the reality of actually getting it.

I agree with those who support allowing the Democrats to take the full brunt of what they’ve been espousing and demanding all these years in terms of tax hikes, etc., but I would still fight to prevent cutting defense and to prevent amnesty for illegal aliens ( rewarding people for willfully shattering the law and being extremely poor unwelcome, uninvited guests in our nation will only cause more to come here to do the same thing). I would also preserve the debt ceiling and keep it out of the control of Democrats. We need to be able to restore the nation once people realize how little they like life in the progressive ‘utopia’.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:33 PM

How come there are no people in D.C. promoting the things states do? Do you think they lose there minds when they get to D.C. or are the liars from the beginning? No one wants to talk less spending, smaller government, everyone wants to talk revenue. Maybe we are the ones who are wrong? No, can’t be.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:38 PM

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:35 PM

LoLz..I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:39 PM

House Speaker John Boehner is under pressure to defy Republican Party orthodoxy on income taxes to rein in the U.S. deficit, with an increasing number of his rank- and-file members saying they’re willing to discuss raising rates for top earners.

The Weeping Boner has spent the last two years cr@pping all over conservative values and beating the Tea Party to death – with the 2012 disaster being the Weeper’s greatest accomplishment to date. I’ve had more than enough of that blubbering crybaby idiot. The Weeping Boner needs to be put out to pasture along with any of those “rank-and-file members” who want to help the Indonesian and his lunatic leftists engage in class warfare. They are all despicable idiots.

Let the idiotic sequester (which was a gift from the Weeper since he didn’t have the brains or courage to actually force something out of the left in umpteen “negotiations” about the debt limit raises and CRs that the left absolutely HAD TO HAVE in order to keep their destruction of the nation moving right along) just happen. These fools are not going to come up with anything better so just let it fall. Enough, already.

And the Weeper has to go. Let him cry himself to sleep in a plain Congressional seat and let womeone with a brain and a backbone take control of the GOP House. There’s really not much of a chance to save anything about this nation but at least we should not be led to the final act by subhumans and crybabies. Let the death of America have some dignity.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 6, 2012 at 11:40 PM

bazil9 on December 6, 2012 at 11:32 PM

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:25 PM

The whole state of California is going to need to be bailed out. Detroit is a sad sad case but they keep electing what put them there. They are the very picture book example of Einstein’s theory of insanity.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Cindy Munford:

Insanity alright,and re-electing the `*Smart People*….yup!

Its a boinking mess.

Nice talking to you Cindy,I must depart,grandson comes earlier,
ugh,I feel like a nursey day care,I kid tho!:)

Nite:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Goodnight, Canopfor. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Republicans are congealing around the recognition that they’ll have to accept the expiration of those tax cuts.

If Republicans can’t reach a deal that will do more to balance the budget than going over the cliff will, then go over the cliff. Let the Bush tax cuts expire. People need to pay for the government they vote for and not stick unborn children with the bill.

FloatingRock on December 6, 2012 at 11:42 PM

It’s not the point.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:27 PM

The democrats know damn well that the extra money collected from the wealthy, by taking away their tax cuts, will not be much more than a few spits and pees in the ocean compared to all the government spending on various forms of welfare and boondoggles, but that’s not the point and it never has been. The point is to paint Republicans as being overly concerned with the wealthy and at that the democrats are a big success and because of it gain probably a 5% advantage in every election now. So Republicans, if you want to keep losing elections and freedoms then just keep making this [tax cuts for the upper 2%] a hill to die on and lose everything.

VorDaj on December 6, 2012 at 11:42 PM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Good evening..And have a great time with the grandson..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Stop – Bonamassa

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:42 PM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Meh… I’m all out of popcorn, and besides, aint nothing going on yet, get back to me when they start killing each other in earnest, I’ll make a special popcorn run then…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:14 PM

SWalker:Good point,less targets for Israel…(sarc).

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Good evening, Dire! Nice to see you, as always. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Good evening..And have a great time with the grandson..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Dire Straits:Evening and Good Night,I sure will:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Evening Dire. How are your straits? I’m in the straits of Ambiguity.

arnold ziffel on December 6, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Nite Peeps———————————————:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:44 PM

bazil9 on December 6, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Good evening, B9! Great to see you tonight! Merry Christmas to you and yours!:)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Adjoran on December 6, 2012 at 11:28 PM

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Bmore on December 6, 2012 at 11:45 PM

How come there are no people in D.C. promoting the things states do? Do you think they lose there minds when they get to D.C. or are the liars from the beginning? No one wants to talk less spending, smaller government, everyone wants to talk revenue. Maybe we are the ones who are wrong? No, can’t be.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:38 PM

DC is a statist echo chamber where the state, state power, and state influence is everywhere. I lived there several years and had to get out. I think they get in that bubble and forget what the real world is like (also, I think they like the feeling that they are important – and it goes to their heads).

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Bmore on December 6, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Good evening, Bmore! Great to see you!:)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:47 PM

SWalker:Good point,less targets for Israel…(sarc).

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:42 PM

The more of their own they kill now, the fewer of them we have to kill later. Sorry if that sounds heartless, it is the truth though. Islam is about conquest and subjugation of the entire human race to Islam. You can either convert to Islam, and hope you pick the right Imman, and sect and whatever, or you can die.

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:47 PM

The Messiah Will Come Again – Moore

Blazing Guitar :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Nite Peeps———————————————:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:44 PM

And good night to you as well canopfor…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Blazing Guitar :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:49 PM

OUCH… that be a tad bit tricky to play… o_O

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:50 PM

VorDaj on December 6, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Perhaps you haven’t noticed but I think most of here are in favor of voting present to either the tax increase or letting the “Bush” tax cuts expire (my personal favorite). Give Obama a huge debt ceiling and watch how fast he blows through it. You are right, the revenue won’t make a bit difference to financial situation, so let Obama and the Democrats own it. The only thing I would ask of them is to fight any more stimulus deals. Just say no to spending.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:50 PM

arnold ziffel on December 6, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Good evening..I’m just drifting along with you all trying to make sense of it all..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:51 PM

We need a new party, third party, a conservative party, an American party. If you put social issues or pot highest on your list, stay out. Faith is personal and freely exercised, the Left’s ‘Freedom FROM Religion’ needs to be debunked and sent packing. Abortion is personal and regulated and Planned Parenthood gutted.
It needs to be about smaller govt, massive spending cuts, tax cuts, strong defense, border defense, pro skilled immigration with acclimatization and anti illegal alien. It needs to be clearly pro-capitalist and anti-FSA. It needs to be about deregulation. It needs to be about FREEDOM of religion. It needs to be about unscrewing education/indoctrination. It needs to be anti-union. It needs Palin, West, the real Tea Partiers and not the Paulbots or ‘evangelicals’. And it needs to start today.

rayra on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

This is something I can definitely get behind. I would give my time, energy, and money to support a third party. I will not vote for anyone any longer who is not a conservative; even if that means I go to the polls and vote down ticket only. RINOs will never get a vote from me ever again. Constitutional Conservative Party sounds good. Heck even the Constitution Party works. Anything but a democrat or republican.

texasmagnolia on December 6, 2012 at 11:51 PM

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 11:50 PM

LOL! Definitely some ‘hot licks’! :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Bmore on December 6, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM

besser tot als rot on December 6, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Well it’s hard work trying to buy parcels of land and then putting freeways through them. It takes a lot of coordination.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Congrats on the new gig!!..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Bmore on December 6, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Maybe he was joking. Or has a good lawyer.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Most sincere thanks, Dire! I’ve dedicated years, literally, to getting positioned to make this transition with a modicum of comfort. AT LAST the time has come! :)

You know, seriously, I learned long ago that I really didn’t aspire to great wealth or fame. I’ve known many with one or the other and some with both. It’s not something I’d wish on myself. I seek balance. Comfort and contentment. As the Greeks pointed out “All things in moderation… nothing to excess. ” That’s my goal. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Obama’s obvious strategy is to go over the fiscal cliff, thus getting the tax increases and the military spending cuts he wants, then he smears the Republicans for being obstructionist and push for a small middle-class tax cut. This way he ends up with higher taxes on everyone (always a plus), the reputation as a tax cutter in the MSM and the demonization of the Republicans for opposing him. Its a win, win, win for him.

Fred 2 on December 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Gravity – Mayer

Sometimes… it’s easy to get all tangled up in gravity.

thatsafactjack on December 7, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Live Feed Tahrir Square

http://reuters.livestation.com/demo

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I was hoping they would be getting some help. Last night after you signed off, Twitter was moving so fast I couldn’t keep up. 200 tweets and before I could even get thru 1/2 of them, 203 more.

bluefox on December 7, 2012 at 12:00 AM

The only thing I would ask of them is to fight any more stimulus deals. Just say no to spending.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Yes, say NO! to pretty much else everything butleting the “tax cuts” on the “rich” expire. Let the “toe” go, but fight for most of the rest.

VorDaj on December 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:56 PM

I understand..But I wish you fame and fortune..It is the American way..:)

Dire Straits on December 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Most sincere thanks, Dire! I’ve dedicated years, literally, to getting positioned to make this transition with a modicum of comfort. AT LAST the time has come! :)

You know, seriously, I learned long ago that I really didn’t aspire to great wealth or fame. I’ve known many with one or the other and some with both. It’s not something I’d wish on myself. I seek balance. Comfort and contentment. As the Greeks pointed out “All things in moderation… nothing to excess. ” That’s my goal. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 11:56 PM

When the time comes, I do hope you will drop me a line over at my blog, with the appropriate info so I can check out your work… ;)

SWalker on December 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Everything in moderation, including moderation.

Moderation is often as overrated as food fads :)

Yes, gravity sucks.

Not picking on you, J, just moderating.

Schadenfreude on December 7, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Dire Straits on December 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM

LOL! You’ve got me there! I suppose it is, at that! :)

thatsafactjack on December 7, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Schadenfreude on December 7, 2012 at 12:03 AM

No offense taken, Schadenfreude. We’re friends. Moderate to your heart’s content. lol! :)

Good evening! :)

thatsafactjack on December 7, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Evening J.

Schadenfreude on December 7, 2012 at 12:06 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I was hoping the protesters would be getting some help. Last night after you signed off, twitter was crazy. 200 tweets and I couldn’t even get thru 1/2 of them, and then 203 more! It was late so I signed off.

bluefox on December 7, 2012 at 12:06 AM

I knew Jackie was very talented and would get discovered. She has earned it by being nice and working hard.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Not to belabor the Ed Asner video, but it struck me as bewildering when they described the financial collapse as giant towers of money that fell down and broke houses. That’s a “there be dragons here” moment of silly abstraction that made no sense. Which tells me they honestly have no idea how the bubble was created or how it burst.

John the Libertarian on December 7, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Obama made and owns this Monster!!!

Schadenfreude on December 7, 2012 at 12:10 AM

VorDaj on December 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Be prepared, if you think being the bag man of rich is not a good look for the Republicans, wait until you see what Obama does to them for caving. Like I said, I’m all for it, Republicans don’t have any kind of reputation to preserve in my book but I don’t think this is going to end like you think. Revenue is not the problem.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I knew Jackie was very talented and would get discovered. She has earned it by being nice and working hard.

SparkPlug on December 7, 2012 at 12:08 AM

So,are you claiming that your Magic eight Ball with it’s new whatchamacallit thingie finally got one right? o_O

SWalker on December 7, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Evening Jackie. Evening Dire. Evening All.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 11:54 PM

That must be it. Must be funnier when he does it.

My better half is learning a new song on piano. I thought you might like to hear it. Remember she is still learning it.

Bmore on December 7, 2012 at 12:12 AM

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