Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on December 6, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

House Speaker John Boehner is under pressure to defy Republican Party orthodoxy on income taxes to rein in the U.S. deficit, with an increasing number of his rank- and-file members saying they’re willing to discuss raising rates for top earners.

A few dozen Republicans have joined a bipartisan call to consider “all options” on taxes and entitlement programs, signaling they are ready to bargain on President Barack Obama’s main condition for a budget deal this month: a tax rate increase for the top 2 percent of U.S. earners.

“We’re at a fork in the road,” said former New Hampshire Senator Judd Gregg, a Republican. Obama and Boehner need to realize “they have to get in a room and work out a deal,” he said, or positions will “start to harden and both sides to some degree are going to be willing to accept going over the cliff.”

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The adage in Washington is that if nobody is talking about what they’re really talking about, that’s a good sign for getting a deal.

In what may be just such a positive sign, President Barack Obama, Speaker John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, and their aides on Thursday seemed to be zipping their lips on the behind-the-scenes fiscal cliff talks after a private Wednesday phone call between the two men. Of course, both sides also continued their public relations fight over debt and taxes.

Lines of communication are open,” one House GOP leadership aide said.

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Consider the Grand Bargain negotiating track. After laughing at President Obama’s offer, Republicans made a counteroffer, of sorts, the other day. One problem with the budget plan put forward by John Boehner is that it’s not a plan, just a sketchy bunch of topline numbers that doesn’t do any of the work of explaining where the higher revenue or lower spending will actually come from. Another problem is that even the sketchy outline has provoked howls of outrage from the right and probably couldn’t pass the House, even without putting any meat on its bones.

So the Grand Bargain track has gotten nowhere. By contrast, the mean, nasty partisan confrontation track is making steady progress. This alternate theory says that if Obama must force Republicans to accept the expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the rich before any deal can happen. And slowly but surely, Republicans are congealing around the recognition that they’ll have to accept the expiration of those tax cuts.

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Right now, he is hoping to lead his fractious GOP to an orderly surrender. The question is no longer whether Republicans will give on taxes; they already have. All that remains to be negotiated is how they will increase taxes, and whether they will do it before or after the government reaches the “fiscal cliff.” …

Earlier in the week, Boehner offered Obama an $800 billion tax increase with the blessing of Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, the Republicans’ vice-presidential nominee this year, and other House leaders. The speaker is trying to hold out for making those hikes come from fewer deductions rather than higher rates, but the White House is feeling so confident that it dismissed Boehner’s offer out of hand. Obama communications director Dan Pfeiffer told Peter Baker of the New York Times that Obama “won’t sign a deal that doesn’t have higher rates for the wealthy. Until they cross that bridge, nothing else is relevant.”

Republicans are looking for face-saving ways to retreat, such as allowing a tax increase to pass the House by voting “present” instead of “no.” Jeb Hensarling (Tex.), the outgoing chairman of the House GOP conference, acknowledged Wednesday on CNN that “the president is going to get his revenue one way or the other.”

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SEN. RAND PAUL: I have yet another thought on how we can fix this. Why don’t we let the Democrats pass whatever they want? If they are the party of higher taxes, all the Republicans vote present and let the Democrats raise taxes as high as they want to raise them, let Democrats in the Senate raise taxes, let the president sign it and then make them own the tax increase. And when the economy stalls, when the economy sputters, when people lose their jobs, they know which party to blame, the party of high taxes. Let’s don’t be the party of just almost as high taxes. …I will announce tonight on your show that I will work with Harry Reid to let him pass his big old tax hike with a simple majority if that’s what Harry Reid wants, because then they will become the party of high taxes and they can own it.

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Reporters: Why is he afraid to put the President’s plan on the floor. Do you think you have democratic support?

Carney: We know that, and the filibuster is certainly an issue here, that we don’t have 60 votes in the Senate. So, I would not argue with the idea that the President’s proposal cannot at this time, or has not at this time, garnered Republican support. That’s what this debate is about. We are very confident that the Democrats support the principle that we need to have $1.6 trillion in revenue, asking the wealthy to pay more as part of a balanced package that the President has put forward. I understand that you’re going along with the gamesmanship here. We’re trying to be serious about these negotiations. We have put forward a proposal. We have seen no substantive proposal, especially on revenues, from the Republicans.

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Let’s understand President Obama’s strategy in the “fiscal cliff” negotiations. It has nothing to do with economics or real fiscal reform. This is entirely about politics. It’s Phase Two of the 2012 campaign. The election returned him to office. The fiscal-cliff negotiations are designed to break the Republican opposition and grant him political supremacy, something he thinks he earned with his landslide 2.8-point victory margin on Election Day. …

What’s going on here? Having taken Boehner’s sword, and then his shirt, Obama sent Geithner to demand Boehner’s trousers. Perhaps this is what Obama means by a balanced approach. …

Such nonsense abounds because Obama’s objective in these negotiations is not economic but political: not to solve the debt crisis but to fracture the Republican majority in the House. Get Boehner to cave, pass the tax hike with Democratic votes provided by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and let the Republican civil war begin.

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At House Speaker John A. Boehner’s request, Senate leaders and Representative Nancy Pelosi have been excluded from talks to avert a fiscal crisis, leaving it to Mr. Boehner and President Obama alone to find a deal, Congressional aides say.

All sides, even the parties excluded, say clearing the negotiating room improves the chance of success. It adds complexity as the two negotiators consult separately with the leaders not in the room. But it also minimizes the number of people who need to say yes to an initial agreement.

“This is now the speaker and the president working this through,” said Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat.

White House aides and the speaker’s staff, by mutual agreement, have largely shut down public communication about the talks to avert hundreds of billions of dollars in automatic tax increases and spending cuts set to begin in January if no deal can be reached. Both sides said on Thursday that lines of communication remained open.

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Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Hello!

KCB on December 6, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Hi Scrumpy!

KCB on December 6, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Now I can go away happy muahhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Hiya KCB!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Just gonna lurk for a while :-)

How’s things?

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:05 PM

…picture of dumb & dumber!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:04 PM

looking good tonight Darlin’

KCB on December 6, 2012 at 10:05 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Hiya KC2!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:06 PM

How’s things?

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:05

…how’s the puppy?

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Two demons – to Hades with both, pronto!

Schadenfreude on December 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Hey Shaden…

I mean KL2!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:08 PM

What do we do now? SCRAAM, we’re SCROOMED..we predicted the apocalypse if the Zero won, we’re getting the apocalypse. Scroomed…groove the scroom and don’t BE scroomed.
Stock up!

Who is John Galt on December 6, 2012 at 10:09 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM

He is sleeping!! I had to leave him alone today for about 4 hrs and he didn’t destroy a thing nor did he pee :-) and the greeting I got when I got home was priceless!!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I feel a giant cave coming on. Spinelessness is contagious in Congress.

Slainte on December 6, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:08 PM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:12 PM

We need a new party, third party, a conservative party, an American party. If you put social issues or pot highest on your list, stay out. Faith is personal and freely exercised, the Left’s ‘Freedom FROM Religion’ needs to be debunked and sent packing. Abortion is personal and regulated and Planned Parenthood gutted.
It needs to be about smaller govt, massive spending cuts, tax cuts, strong defense, border defense, pro skilled immigration with acclimatization and anti illegal alien. It needs to be clearly pro-capitalist and anti-FSA. It needs to be about deregulation. It needs to be about FREEDOM of religion. It needs to be about unscrewing education/indoctrination. It needs to be anti-union. It needs Palin, West, the real Tea Partiers and not the Paulbots or ‘evangelicals’. And it needs to start today.

rayra on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

i can’t shake the urge to punch Boehner in the face. i feel like a crack addict going through withdrawl.

GhoulAid on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

We’re sucking air because Republican’s can’t grow a spine, so yeah sure, we need more of that.

Speakup on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I’m with Rand Paul. Let them burn it down. I want them to own 100% of whatever happens.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Unconditional love from a dog… my awwwwwwwwwww moment!! and he’s known me for 24 plus hrs!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Last!

Trust me

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:10 PM

You have a PUPPY!!!! I need to hear all about him.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:14 PM

…picture of dumb & dumber!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Which won pees in the jar?

I think they both share..

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM

I’m with Rand Paul. Let them burn it down. I want them to own 100% of whatever happens.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

And as Greta just said “pictures of the King swimming on the beaches of Hawaii while we go over the cliff”

Let. It. Burn.

JPeterman on December 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Solutions

Resist We Much on December 6, 2012 at 10:17 PM

rayra on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

The .556 party.

Who is John Galt on December 6, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Which won pees in the jar sitting down?

I think they both share do..

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM

GhoulAid on December 6, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Good evening everyone…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Hi Cindy!!

Yeah he’s about 1 yr old a male Beagle black tan and white and the cutest darn thing!!

He was running around the apt complex yesterday, and I did pet him and he took off, then later that afternoon the maint guy brought him to me, cuz he was around when I first saw him and I said oh the dog came back I wanted hm!…

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:19 PM

JPeterman on December 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Perfect!

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Hiya SW and RWM!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Hey JP!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Beagles are great dogs. I know that I enjoy the heck out of our two monsters.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:22 PM

GhoulAid on December 6, 2012 at 10:18 PM

At the same time??

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Hi EG!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Perfect!

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:20 PM

And she said “he’ll delay his vacation which means Queen Mooch will fly out as planned and taxpayers will get stuck paying for 2 flights to Hawaii”

JPeterman on December 6, 2012 at 10:22 PM

OT but cannot resist:

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — George Zimmerman sued NBC on Thursday, claiming he was defamed when the network edited his 911 call to police after the shooting of Trayvon Martin to make it sound like he was racist.

CW on December 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Big government loving Democrats versus the Conservative TALKING Big government loving Democrat Lite party……

Sorry the gop is DEAD DEAD DEAD to Conservatives.

This country is really ALREADY over the cliff. We’re just falling so fast it’s just a blur on the way down.

And you true Conservatives that believe this party can be saved?

gop……..the lowercase party.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM

At the same time??

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:22 PM

i wouldn’t be surprised….

GhoulAid on December 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM

He has manners to cindy! has been trained to sit stay down and drop!
I got the easy part now with him, just to have fun and go walkies!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Hey JP!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Hi Scrumpy and everyone else.

JPeterman on December 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM

He is sleeping!! I had to leave him alone today for about 4 hrs and he didn’t destroy a thing nor did he pee :-) and the greeting I got when I got home was priceless!!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:10 PM

…glad he found you!…with all three kids at school…I have a 9 or 10 year old cat I adopted…a 9 year old cat my daughter adopted…and a 15 year old lab we got 4 years ago when a neighbor moved…I didn’t realize they “were only company”…until my youngest daughter stuck me with a 5 week old cat until Christmas!…my gawd what a difference!…they’re more fun when their young!…except my hands look I’ve been beating them with rose bushes and my legs feel like there’s a thousand paper cuts on them…the thing tries to climb up my legs at the most inopportune times. Have to wait a few weeks to de-claw it.

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:25 PM

“We’re at a fork in the road,” said former New Hampshire Senator Judd Gregg, a Republican. Obama and Boehner need to realize “they have to get in a room and work out a deal,” he said, or positions will “start to harden and both sides to some degree

WTF is wrong with way too many republican panty waists? Where was the comity during stimulus and Obamacare? Gang of 14? More like gangbang America.

I used to think a third party was foolish but since we are losing this way it’s time for big changes.

arnold ziffel on December 6, 2012 at 10:26 PM

What a complete farce. Republicans fighting over $80B/yr in tax increases that won’t even reduce the deficit once additional spending kicks in. It’s the equivilent of arguing over the arrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic as it goes down. Meanwhile, the Hot Air faithful banter about with cheerful greetings and jousts over who’s “first.”

Cap spending now, and leave the caps in place until federal expenditures are 20% of GDP, no more. Then hold that percentage and argue over how to allocate the available funds.

Go big, or go home. This current debate solves nothing and is a waste of energy for all involved.

Scotsman on December 6, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Do you think someone dumped him? We had a Dalmatian that someone from N.C. (that’s what the tags indicated) dumped in Virginia Beach. She had heart worms and I think her owners couldn’t afford the treatments. Animal Control had to wait a certain number of weeks to give the owners a chance to respond. Crickets! Our gain.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:28 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:25 PM

ohhhhhhhhhhh ouch!! I like cats but am a dog person… cats are too independent and don’t listen too well!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:28 PM

No doubt that John Boehner will be invited to the same Christmas and New Year’s Eve parties in the Hampton’s that Justic Roberts will be…

… No doubt.

Seven Percent Solution on December 6, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Scotsman on December 6, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Right bloody cheery eh… get on with yer blather… / lol

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:29 PM

We need a new party, third party, a conservative party, an American party. If you put social issues or pot highest on your list, stay out. Faith is personal and freely exercised, the Left’s ‘Freedom FROM Religion’ needs to be debunked and sent packing. Abortion is personal and regulated and Planned Parenthood gutted.
It needs to be about smaller govt, massive spending cuts, tax cuts, strong defense, border defense, pro skilled immigration with acclimatization and anti illegal alien. It needs to be clearly pro-capitalist and anti-FSA. It needs to be about deregulation. It needs to be about FREEDOM of religion. It needs to be about unscrewing education/indoctrination. It needs to be anti-union. It needs Palin, West, the real Tea Partiers and not the Paulbots or ‘evangelicals’. And it needs to start today.

rayra on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Not all of the Paulbots aren’t crazy, we can agree on some of there ideas about limited government.

idesign on December 6, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Hi Scrumpy

Schadenfreude on December 6, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Are

idesign on December 6, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Which won pees in the jar?

I think they both share..

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM
…not sure about Bonehead since I think he wears adult diapers…but I think GhoulAid is right…whenever I see JugEars sitting with his legs crossed…I do believe he pees sitting or squatting in some fashion!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Got out or dumped yeah, no tags, but healthy, or seems so… I am also watching the lost ads in the paper… and if someone says they lost their beloved dog, I will do the right thing and return him.

Gonna give it til Friday on that
and vet next week!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Scotsman on December 6, 2012 at 10:26 PM

In case you haven’t noticed, no one on either side of the aisle is going to cap spending. They are so dishonest that they call a smaller annual increase a cut. So who’s being silly about bantering about First and exchanging cheerful greetings. But we are all waiting with baited breath your in depth detailed description on how we can get those jackasses to put a cap on spending, then we will get right on it.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Hi EG!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Good evening..

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:32 PM

He’s a lucky puppy and I hope you have many long years together.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Yeah Cindy you tell him!!!! :-)

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Guess Who?

This person has a new dog. Who is it?

This person makes whirligigs. Who is it?

This person bites people. Who is it?

This person is a novelist. Who is it?

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 10:35 PM

This person is a Jedi with a pebble. Who is it?

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Sen. Rand Paul has a good idea..I’m thinking the House should lead with this plan..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:36 PM

and not the Paulbots or ‘evangelicals’. And it needs to start today.

rayra on December 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Nuff said…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:35 PM

I am goin’ to “clink” ya……

Ready?

“Clink”

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Good deal!..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Scotsman on December 6, 2012 at 10:26 PM

We should listen to our betters. Obviously Scotsman fits the bill.

KCB on December 6, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Ok gonna lurk for a while…

Say Hi to Sparky and tell him that he needs to shave closer next time!!

Scrumpy on December 6, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:37 PM

*clink*..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Guess Who?

This person has a new dog. Who is it?

This person makes whirligigs. Who is it?

This person bites people. Who is it?

This person is a novelist. Who is it?

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 10:35 PM

This person has a new dog. Who is it? Scrumpy

This person makes whirligigs. Who is it? Bmore

This person bites people. Who is it? Sparkplug

This person is a novelist. Who is it? Jack

:P

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:38 PM

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Rand Paul is right. Give him the tax increase he wants. Get it over with and go home. When the debt ceiling issue comes up again in a few months Obama will no longer have the tax issue to bludgeon the GOP with. The GOP can wage that fight totally on spending, which is much more favorable to them.

Mark1971 on December 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Scotsman on December 6, 2012 at 10:26 PM

…OH…ok!…meanwhile here in Michigan…we enjoy a climate averaging 73-76 degrees…year around!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:38 PM

You got 3 out of 4 right. hehe. Cozmo knows the answer to question #3

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:38 PM

The GOPe betrayed me… :( lol lol and good evening to you as well dire… ;)

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM

What a complete farce. Republicans fighting over $80B/yr in tax increases that won’t even reduce the deficit once additional spending kicks in. It’s the equivilent of arguing over the arrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic as it goes down. Meanwhile, the Hot Air faithful banter about with cheerful greetings and jousts over who’s “first.”

Scotsman on December 6, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Well what the hell else are we going to do? Go big? Bullcrap, we gave the right everything they needed to stop Obama dead in his tracks in 2010. Instead it’s been a clusterfark of cave-ins, and piddle pants bargains. That was all for the “long game” of holding out until 2012. Well that went about as well as prevent defense usually does and now we’re screwed. Spit out a grand bargain? Find me 20 Congresscritters with guts enough even to pretend, let alone 218.

At this point it’s just let it burn. The roof is on fire, already. Why not just laugh, greet each other and joust over who’s first. It’s gallows humor.

Gingotts on December 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Could anything be more perfectly illustrated than the Republicans handing Obama his “victory” by all voting “Present”? Why, it’s almost poetic!

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Could anything be more perfectly illustrated than the Republicans handing Obama his “victory” by all voting “Present”? Why, it’s almost poetic!

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Yes it is!..And if the Dems don’t get serious..I would not be suprised if that happened..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:42 PM

What a complete farce. Republicans fighting over $80B/yr in tax increases that won’t even reduce the deficit once additional spending kicks in. It’s the equivilent of arguing over the arrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic as it goes down. Meanwhile, the Hot Air faithful banter about with cheerful greetings and jousts over who’s “first.”

Scotsman on December 6, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I suppose you have some wonder super secret plan to force the Fifth Column Treasonous Media to surrender their dreams of a Marxist Utopia in America and start telling the truth?

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM

You got 3 out of 4 right. hehe. Cozmo knows the answer to question #3

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Heck, I am 3 of the 4. My dogs ain’t new.

cozmo on December 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Hello, dearest!!

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:38 PM

You got 3 out of 4 right. hehe. Cozmo knows the answer to question #3

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM

…*hint*…bunny suit!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I would not be suprised if that happened..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Not as long as King Barack has his inside man John “Bonehead” Boehner on the job.

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:44 PM

cozmo on December 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM

ALyT is the biter of people named cozmo.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 10:44 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Yep. that is a better clue.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I really am ready for some kind of grand gesture. If he’s going to drive us over the cliff, give him the keys to the car and put a lit fuse in the gas tank.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:45 PM

This person throws food. Who is it?

She was in rehab.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 10:46 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:44 PM

OH oh! I know, I know!!!!

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:46 PM

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:44 PM

We might be suprised..Boehner is in a corner..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Thumbs up..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Could anything be more perfectly illustrated than the Republicans handing Obama his “victory” by all voting “Present”? Why, it’s almost poetic!

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Yes it is!..And if the Dems don’t get serious..I would not be suprised if that happened..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:42 PM

…Bonehead would have to have ba1ls for that!…I think I saw ‘his’ hanging from some hitch on the tow bar of some pickup truck today!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Let it burn. Stock up on anything you deem necessary and get ready for the downturn.

Have fun on your Hawaiian vaca, Barky. Don’t even bother to stay in DC for the nightmare. That will be very popular with Americans. Make sure your adoring lapdog press follows you wherever you go and takes plenty of photos of you bodysurfing. The public just loves those.

Philly on December 6, 2012 at 10:48 PM

The ruling class would have us all believe that kicking the can down the road is the responsible course for us to follow, that the so-called “cliff” will only occur if America actually takes the responsible course and takes the boldest possible steps toward balancing our budget and stopping the immoral generational theft that is dooming our future.

In reality the so-called “fiscal cliff” to which they refer is nothing but a small step toward a balanced budget. The propagandists couldn’t be more wrong! The real fiscal cliff is what America is barreling toward and will careen over soon if we continue to take the advice of paid propagandists who are using loaded double-speak catch-phrases to manipulate public opinion, distorting reality.

So-called journalists that keep using loaded catchphrases are nothing but hack propagandists and tools.

The best, most responsible course for America to follow is not to kick the can down the road, as the MSM is trying to steer the nation, but instead to confront our problems head-on so that our lives will start getting better instead of continuing to grow ever worse.

The real cliff that we will all face together is if we continue kicking the can down the road and fail to address our problems, letting the balloon swell up to ever greater pressure, growing the height of the real cliff that lies ahead if we don’t change course.

The so-called fiscal cliff is nothing more than a small step toward a balanced budget. The MSM is trying to train people to fear it like the plague.

FloatingRock on December 6, 2012 at 10:49 PM

It sort of seems from this:
Carney: So, I would not argue with the idea that the President’s proposal cannot at this time, or has not at this time, garnered Republican support.
that d’ohbama doesn’t just want his tax increase (which he knows will not improve anything), but he wants the Republicans to actually vote in favor of his “proposal”. That way, when things go horribly wrong, he can point to the Reps. and say – “Their fault”.
If he thinks that Republicans will just let a democRAT bill pass by voting present, he’ll never allow a bill to come up for a vote.
Which he will then blame on “obstructionist” Republicans.

If Republicans are going to vote present and allow a bill to pass that way, they’ll have to keep their mouths shut about that plan.

Solaratov on December 6, 2012 at 10:49 PM

If he’ll promise to never bring his dad around, I’d get on board with the Randster and his “I will announce tonight on your show that I will work with Harry Reid to let him pass his big old tax hike with a simple majority if that’s what Harry Reid wants, because then they will become the party of high taxes and they can own it.” plan in a heartbeat…

Give ‘em what they want, light the fuse and walk away…

Tim Zank on December 6, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Get Boehner to cave, pass the tax hike with Democratic votes provided by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and let the Republican civil war begin.

You know, if the Republicans would stick together, i.e. Boehner growing a spine, then there would be no Republican civil war. As it is, Boehner seems to be more intent on purging the committees of Tea Party and conservatives with threats of more purges to come than he does on defeating the democrats.

When the democrats were in the majority, were they fighting among themselves? Did they talk about how they needed to work with the Republicans when their leadership was shutting the Republicans out of the health care debate?

If Boehner weren’t so intent on going along to get along, then there wouldn’t be an internal revolt. It’s not like people don’t think that some level of compromise must occur, but there is a world of difference between compromise and capitulation. Boehner and the Republican leadership seems intent on the latter, the democrats won’t even consider the former when they are in the minority except when compromise means doing what the democrats want.

AZfederalist on December 6, 2012 at 10:51 PM

The GOPe will betray you…….

But the country will betray itself….

Let it Burn so the Obamaphone woman hears…

“I am sorry..but the number you have dialed is not in service”

Electrongod on December 6, 2012 at 10:51 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Boehner can vote any way he wants but he certainly can’t argue if the rest of the Republicans vote present. The other option I like is just lollygagging until the “Bush” tax cuts expire. Universal pain and it might be fun to watch Obama try to fix it. Can we say retroactive? I know that we can.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 10:51 PM

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:44 PM

We might be suprised..Boehner is in a corner..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Yea, sorry, don’t believe it for one Planck-second.

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 10:53 PM

…I WANT EVERYONE OF THEM TO VOTE…” Present ” ….Sooooo BAD…!!!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM

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