Just a reminder: this is a spending crisis, not a revenue crisis

posted at 12:21 pm on December 6, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

We’re hearing a lot of nostalgia for the Clinton era in this debate over the upcoming fiscal cliff.  Democrats argue that we need to return to the Clinton-era tax rates in order to get back to Clinton-era budget stability, but that argument utterly founders on the facts — and I’m not the only one to notice that.  Michael Barone points out a few inconvenient truths in today’s New York Post about revenues and tax rates from the Clinton era to show that the current fiscal crisis comes from the other side of the ledger:

Over that period of nearly three-quarters of a century, federal receipts have never exceeded 20.9 percent of gross domestic product. That was the number for the war year 1944.

The highest number since was the 20.6 percent of GDP in 2000, the climax of the dotcom boom. In the Obama years, federal receipts have hovered at 15 percent of GDP.

That’s just because tax rates are too low, Obama backers reply. Just raise the rates on high earners, and the problem will be solved.

Actually, high earners don’t make enough money to close the current budget deficit. You’d need to raise taxes on middle-income earners too.

But we have had higher income tax rates in most of the years since World War II. What history and Table B-79 show is that even much higher rates — like the 91 percent marginal rate on top earners imposed from the 1940s to the 1960s — have never produced federal receipts higher than 20 percent of GDP.

Why is that? As the late Jack Kemp liked to say, when you tax something, you get less of it. When the government took 91 percent of what the law defined as adjusted gross income over a certain amount, not many people had adjusted gross income over that amount.

Let’s say, though, that a return to Clinton-era tax rates would produce 20.6% of GDP in federal revenue.  We’d still have massive deficits, because we’re spending twenty-five percent of GDP at the federal level.  In order to return to the Clinton era, I argue in my column for The Fiscal Times, we’d have to undo the spending spree that took place in both the Bush and Obama presidencies:

In his eight years as President, Clinton reduced federal spending to 18.2 percent of GDP from 22.1 percent, thanks in large part to a Republican-controlled Congress that forced the issue.  Defense spending as a portion of GDP declined by 1.8 points, but non-defense spending dropped by 2.2 points.  Clinton and the Republicans in Congress cut spending on domestic discretionary programs as well as entitlement spending through welfare reform.

What followed afterward is instructive to the real problem of our current trillion-dollar trajectory of deficit spending.  George Bush increased federal spending as a share of GDP by 2.6 points in two terms, and it wasn’t just spent on defense; the increase was split evenly between defense and non-defense spending, a remarkable statistic considering the two wars waged in those eight years.

Barack Obama managed to hike it 3.5 points in just one term, with 3.2 points going to non-defense spending.  Under Obama, federal spending now exceeds 25 percent of GDP, and his has been the biggest increase of any of his predecessors over the last 60 years – even for two-term Presidents.

The real debate over deficits isn’t over whether to go back to Clinton-era tax rates.  It’s how to get back to Clinton-era spending levels, and then create a tax system that will adequately fund it. The 18.2 percent level of federal spending is one piece of Clinton-era nostalgia worth recalling – as well as the bipartisanship that eventually produced it.

The column should have included a link to the analysis provided by Cato’s Steve Hanke in his fact-check of the roundtable on Meet the Press this week.  Professor Hanke (Johns Hopkins University) developed this table from OMB source data, which clearly shows how, when, and where we dug ourselves into this debt and deficit trap.  Here’s a hint — it didn’t come from defense spending on wars:

George Will lays out what Clinton-era policies would look like today had they been continued, or reimposed:

Democrats insist that the manufactured unpleasantness due Jan. 1 is a crisis of insufficient revenue. But Jeffrey Dorfman, a University of Georgia economics professor, thinks arithmetic says otherwise. Writing for RealClearMarkets, he says that possible tax increases and spending cuts would reduce the current deficit by less than a third, leaving a deficit larger than any run by any president not named Obama.

At the end of the Clinton administration, when the budget was balanced (largely by revenue generated by commercialization of the Internet), annual federal spending was $1.94 trillion and revenue was $2.10 trillion. “Adjusting for inflation and population growth since the start of 2001,” Dorfman writes, “today’s equivalents would be $2.77 trillion and $3.00 trillion,” and a $230 billion surplus.

What is to blame for today’s huge imbalance? The George W. Bush tax cuts? The recession? Obama’s spending? Dorfman answers yes, yes and yes — but that “spending is the main culprit” because: Today federal revenue is $2.67 trillion (slightly less than “the Clinton equivalent”) and spending is $3.76 trillion, so we are spending $987 billion more than we would be if we had just increased Bill Clinton’s last budget for inflation and population growth.

We cannot continue to spend at this rate, not without massively confiscatory tax rates across the broad spectrum of earners.  We have to cut spending dramatically in order to even get close to balance, and reverse the free-spending trend of the last twelve years.  Nothing else will work, and massive confiscation will end up crashing the economy and making the deficit situation even worse.

If we go back to Clinton-era tax rates, we have to go back to Clinton-era spending rates too in order to solve the problem.  That means entitlement reform and serious cuts in spending now as well as in the long term.  Everything else is simply hobby-horse riding.

Will anyone get serious about addressing the real cause of the crisis?  David Harsanyi hasn’t seen any reason for optimism from either side yet:

The “fiscal cliff” deal House Republicans and President Barack Obama are debatingcan be called many things — the “avoiding a political nightmare” deal or a “Yes, Mr. Obama, may I have another” deal — but please let’s stop referring to it as a “deficit reduction” deal. We’ve yet to see a serious proposal on debt.

Actually, by proposing a tax increase for spending with no real corresponding cuts, the president has been arguing for growing deficits. And with a priority on “fairness” over prosperity, any chance of easing the $16 trillion national debt through an economic boom in the near future is improbable. …

But all of Obama’s pro-debt expansion policies don’t excuse Republicans for calling their own proposala “credible” $2.2 trillion plan on “deficit reduction.” Even if we were to concede for a moment that the plan would cut the debt, by the time we realized $2.2 trillion in savings, the Congressional Budget Office projects that debt as a share of GDP will have reached 100 percent. By 2035, we’re looking at 200 percent.

Or put it this way: The entire Republican plan would only pay down the $220 billion in net interest the United States owes on its debt every year. Well, if by some miracle that interest stayed at $220 billion. Which it won’t.

The Republicans’ offer also contains $800 billion in new “revenue” garnered from tax reform — partially from closing loopholes on the wealthy — which surrenders to the notion that “revenue” rather than “spending” drives the deficit.

I’d trade some revenue for a serious effort to solve the actual drivers of the crisis.  So far, I haven’t seen one yet, either — with the exception of Simpson-Bowles, which for all its flaws actually gets the US moving in the right direction, and the Paul Ryan plan, which has no chance of even getting another hearing in the Senate.  Republicans should present Simpson-Bowles in toto and dare Democrats to vote against it.


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The foxes are guarding the fox house. I don’t think there are any hens left.

The Rogue Tomato on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

shawked

phatfawzi on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

It explains why the new acting commissioner was coincidentally promoted a few days before: he was their fall guy.

blammm on May 17, 2013 at 12:40 PM

This is NOT a good or decent person.

Jabberwock on May 17, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Is Miller a tax cheat also?

docflash on May 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Wait… If they staged it they knew the internal report and decided to damage control it…

That had to come from above and the one person who had the lost at stake said he didn’t know about it because the report wasn’t released yet…

Skywise on May 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM

so if i get this right? the department that makes sure were all honest LIED? OK i get it. Just wanted to make sure.

phatfawzi on May 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM

In an exchange with Republican representative Kevin Brady, Miller said, “I’m going to take exception to the concept of targeting, because it’s a loaded term,” and one that “describes something that didn’t exist here.”

“Targeting, Congressman Brady, is what right wing whackos like Sarah Palin does, with pictures of targets and all, and we didn’t use any pictures.”

TXUS on May 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Terp Mole on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Great reference. I’ll take it farther: Government has arranged to kidnap its own “wife”- and taxpayers are father-in-law Wade, who’s expected to come up with the ransom money.

Bat Chain Puller on May 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Horrible Customer Service

Bwahahahahahahaha

TAKE’n from a man’s labor … no different from slavery..

tooo bad them slave owners n da south didn’t practice “good customer service”

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

These people (liberals in charge) have no conscience. They believe government is the answer, and therefore only have to answer to themselves. It’s all a big party, complete with hats and hooters.

kirkill on May 17, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Man it is hard to not go on a profanity laced rant in these comments.

CycloneCDB on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Every American citizen should watch this hearing to see who will be in charge of their most personal medical information…!!!!!!!!!!!!

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM

It’s a pipe dream, but Congress should reciprocate the contempt the IRS commissioner showed Congress today and completely defund the entire IRS organization! That would hopefully get their attention…

geojed on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Is the government throttling our comments here at HA…? Slow down…!

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Taxpayers aren’t the ‘customers’ of the IRS. They are the EMPLOYERS of the IRS.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 PM

This guy is really restoring my faith in big government!

/sarc

I can’t wait to find out what “bad customer service” looks like under ObamaCare.

gwelf on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

So your faking this from top to bottom, and we’re supposed to trust you to be completely honest and forthright from now on?

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Can’t wait.

Who’s The Racist? The Most Racist Countries In The World And The Answers Will Surprise Only The Race-Mongers

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Is everyone testifying about the IRS being put under oath?

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

What does that say about IRS leadership’s honesty and credibility?

WHAT ‘HONESTY’ AND ‘CREDIBILITY’?

GarandFan on May 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Rep Mike Kelly just finished up…..the gallery erupted in applause.

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

No retirement – jail. No pension, no healthcare plan, just fines and imprisonment. For a *shitload* of IRS people, damnit.

Midas on May 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Miller’s big concern? Customer service.

Democrats’ solution: We should outsource this to phone operators in Mexico. And any phone operator and every remote family member can have U.S. citizenship.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM

In a just world this guy would be led from the hearing in handcuffs…

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM

The House GOP, if they had any balls at all (yeah, I know) need to do a few things immediately.

Voting to repeal ObamaCare is fun and all, but we know it goes nowhere in the Senate (at least for now).

DEFUND it. Starve the beast.

And we’d better start having some serious discussions about a total revamping of the tax code- eliminate the income tax, and start de-funding the IRS while you’re at it.

Enough already.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM

No retirement – jail. No pension, no healthcare plan, just fines and imprisonment. For a *shitload* of IRS people, damnit.

Midas on May 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM

This.

Let’s see how many of them howl and scream their way to the top of the problem when faced with real punishment.

VibrioCocci on May 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM

The Conservative customer is always WRONG …

- IRS motto

ShainS on May 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM

The Tea Party weren’t “Targeted”.

They were just zeroed in on for IRS harassment.

portlandon on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I don’t know if it’s the fact that I grew up hearing stories from my grandparents about the communist Russia that they escaped as German Russians, but today’s hearings brought tears to my eyes. I can’t believe this is my country and the country my grandparents were so proud to become citizens of and my father fought for in WWII. Please, someone tell me we can be saved.

lea on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Even though it’s risible in the context, I’d give the IRS Commish a break on “horrible customer service.” Given the nature of all large organizations — with their mission statements and accompanying objectives to service “customers” and other stakeholders — that’s much how IRS leadership undoubtedly sees it.

But sadly, it just shows how out of touch managers in large organizations can be.

bobs1196 on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

yeah, but what a fire it was!

I think sesquapredictable mentioned something about being out of pickled baby’s feet.

kirkill on May 17, 2013 at 1:00 PM

These poor IRS people are just doing the jobs that “normal” Americans won’t do.

kirkill on May 17, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Not mentioned here is this is the fellow Hillary brought in to arrange for the IRS audits of the Clinton women and enemies. Remember? And here he was, back at the IRS and that did not raise suspicion?

pat on May 17, 2013 at 1:05 PM

This charlatan was promised his great pension, and all the bennies, in exchange for all the lies.

How does any sane person believe a single word from these thugs?

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.
 
Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

 
I missed that one. I remember something about shrubbery and reading up on Korean pickled cabbages, though.

rogerb on May 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM

>>Customer service

Please don’t taze audit me bro

bbordwell on May 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM

“I want to give unelected bureaucrats like Steve Miller more power and more authority over my life, and especially my children’s lives! Big Government FTW!” -Average Dem voter

visions on May 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I’d have to check my notes – Miller

You have notes on that?

Ummm…No – Miller

You just said you have notes on that meeting…Now you’re saying you don’t have notes?

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:08 PM

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

1. In re-ed

2. Intoxicated from all the crap

3. Working harder…’cause sugah daddy’s in trouble

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Please detail the contents of your prayers – IRS

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Carnac the magnificent holds the envelope to his head.

“How did the man working on his rain gutter fall down?”

Could be the latter…

selderane on May 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM

The Rogue Tomato on May 17, 2013 at 1:11 PM

The Conservative customer is always WRONG …

- IRS motto

ShainS on May 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM

It’s Rush Limbaugh’s Fault

Democratic Caucus & Il Duce’s motto

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:12 PM

It’s mealy-mouthed bureaucrats like this that make me wish I was serving on this committee. It would give me perverse pleasure to reduce this guy to tears with the worst dressing-down he’s ever gotten.

CurtZHP on May 17, 2013 at 1:12 PM

IRS…Your Shadow Government at Work

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Carnac the Magnificent holds the envelope to his head.

“When should Obama resign?”

NOW.

Chris of Rights on May 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM

The Rogue Tomato on May 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM

PLEASE make Kelly’s statements and applause available, HA !
Didn’t record it, and hubby needs to see/hear it !!!

pambi on May 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Having dealt with the IRS about back taxes, I can affirm that it does indeed have horrible customer services. You will never get the same answer from different phone reps about the same question. You often get contradictory answers, in fact. But each time they’ll insist the current answer is Gospel truth.

I remember I had a payment agreement setup that I was running late on. “Submit payment by X date or the agreement will be canceled,” they said. Now, it costs over $100 to set one of those things up (don’t ask me why) so I really didn’t want to have to do it again. So I went online and submitted my payment before X date. However, it didn’t post to their system until after X date. They said the agreement was canceled.

“No,” I said, “As you can see I submitted the payment on time. There shouldn’t be a new agreement.”

“The system canceled your agreement, so you need a new one,” they replied.

“But I paid on time. I paid before the deadline. I shouldn’t have to do this.”

And on and on it went for weeks. Finally, they re-instituted the original agreement. But, my God… I almost feel bad for the people working there. It’s like critical thought has been beaten out of them. That or the IRS simply hires people who don’t think.

Could be the latter…

selderane on May 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM

This is much worse than Watergate as potentially millions of voters were denied by the IRS the truth about this administration.

bucknut on May 17, 2013 at 1:16 PM

pat

at 1:05

Do you have where you got the info that Miller did a audits of Clinton women for Hillbeast.

If so there is a possible this is the Clintons depth charge they let go on Obama, after they figured Obama was going to blame her for Benzazie…..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM

So…ummm…

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-irs-deliberately-chose-not-fess-scandal-election_724711.html

I’m going to say it again. Shut. It. Down.

NOW.

Chris of Rights on May 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM

The concept that citizens are the “customers” of the IRS is strange. The IRS is not a business with customers.

Is there any business in the private sector that could jail you and seize your private property for not using their services and giving them money?

visions on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

When Obama prances around the country shouting to businesses…You didn’t build that…

It’s not so strange.

Miller and likely most of the IRS crew are leftists.

The Dept. of Treasury has their own Union…and they contribute mostly to the DNC and democrats…

In 2012 Union membership gave $1,000 to republicans and over $100,000 to democrats.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

“Fundamentally change America”…we’re going to have to take apart this government one Fascist/Socialist/Commie at at time.
It will take years to overcome the effect Dear Leader has had on our country and its media.

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Please, someone tell me we can be saved.

lea on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Yes, but it requires speaking out when you least want to and be willing to endure the consequences of speaking out.

darwin on May 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

I sense Jarrett’s fingerprints in this mess. Lerner has to go, and Sarch Hall Ingram needs to be re-assigned or fired. Will not stand letting her oversee the Obamacare agenda. Cannot be trusted.

Amazingoly on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Well the IRS just ought to update their phone system to do the following:

If you are a member of a conservative group, Press 1.

If you are a associated with a Jewish group, Press 2.

If you plan to protest Planned Parenthood, Press 3.

If you plan to oppose Green Energy, Press 4.

If you plan to protest Obamacare, Press 5.

And the recording upon pressing those options simply ought to state, you are now being transferred to Homeland Security. I mean the IRS leaders talk about poor customer service and the reason they targeted conservative groups was to be more efficient. I mean, lets provide some solutions here and cut out the middle man. /

rsherwd65 on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

The concept that citizens are the “customers” of the IRS is strange. The IRS is not a business with customers.

Is there any business in the private sector that could jail you and seize your private property for not using their services and giving them money?

visions on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Is Congress permitted to Waterboard witnesses to get a truthful answer to the question asked?

meci on May 17, 2013 at 1:20 PM

A customer is someone who voluntarily comes to you for a mutual exchange of good or valuable consideration. The IRS seizes property at the point of a gun. I’m not your damn customer, pal, and I want you to be a federal prisoner.

RadClown on May 17, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Really, the “customer service” term says all you need to know.

We really and truly have lost the concept of government of and by the people. I totally agree with shutting it down. This is insane.

ORconservative on May 17, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Time for decimination of the IRS (yes, in the military sense)

One out of ten employees from the division are fired at random. Only those that come clean will be spared.

blammm on May 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM

You want to know how deeply the IRS lies? They send people to prison who figure out that filing tax returns are completely voluntary according to Treasury Department regulations and the IRS Manual. In fact, the IRS does more than lie. They ruin honest peoples’ lives. THAT’s what they do. The good news: if you know how to fight ‘em, they back off. Trust me.

HiJack on May 17, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Acting IRS commissioner Steven Miller took issue with the use of the word “targeting” as it relates to the IRS’s singling out of Tea Party and other conservative groups, calling it a “loaded term.”

Like when Sarah Palin talked about some House Democrats “targeted” for defeat.

But unlike Sarah Palin, whose political opinions are well-known, the IRS is supposed to be a politically neutral agency which collects taxes according to the laws voted by Congress.

Since the Tea Party, Patriot, and other conservative groups supported Republicans over Democrats, weren’t they “targeted” in the Sarah Palin sense?

IRS Commissioner at hearing: “We provided horrible customer service here. I will admit that. Horrible customer service.”

Customer service? A customer is a person who buys something of value from a seller. What has the IRS ever sold to us for our taxes? If the IRS wasn’t a government agency with the power to collect taxes, no one would buy anything from the IRS!!!

This is not “horrible customer service”. This is coercive use of government power for political purposes.

Exit question for Steven Miller: Who told you and the IRS to do this?

Steve Z on May 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM

OK,

So, this Miller was the goong the Clintons sent to audit Judical Watch back in the 1980′s.

So, I smell revenge on Obama on this by the Clintons.

If true, this would be huge imnsho.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Gotta wonder: was Jim Crow just a matter of horrible customer service?

matt curtis on May 17, 2013 at 1:33 PM

dictatorship
secret police
state controlled media
and more

who the hell will stand up for The United States?

losarkos on May 17, 2013 at 1:34 PM

What a day for HA to be broken…

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Is it still America?

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Washington Examiner May 14, 2013 by Paul Bedard

Deja vu: IRS boss of Tea Party probes targeted anti-Clinton groups in 1990′s..

connections

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 1:38 PM

The concept that citizens are the “customers” of the IRS is strange. The IRS is not a business with customers.

Is there any business in the private sector that could jail you and seize your private property for not using their services and giving them money?

visions on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

This is the Orwellian Newspeak of the Obama Administration. Like taxpayer subsidies to the Solyndras and Fisker Karmas of the world are “investments” in clean, green energy. With a rate of return of negative 100%.

If we the “customers” of the IRS are the coerced “investors” in Solyndra et al. and Obama’s wonderful windmills and choo-choo trains, WE DEMAND OUR DIVIDENDS!!! NOW!!!

Steve Z on May 17, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Is it still America?

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:36 PM

I guess it depends on our definition of “America”, but as far as I’m concerned it hasn’t been America for a long…long…time.

HiJack on May 17, 2013 at 1:43 PM

So who was the plant at the ABA conference, that asked Lerner about targeting certain groups?

Was this a member of the media – willing to play along? Or some political hack, that just slipped in to ask the question?

Hill60 on May 17, 2013 at 1:50 PM

I don’t know if it’s the fact that I grew up hearing stories from my grandparents about the communist Russia that they escaped as German Russians, but today’s hearings brought tears to my eyes. I can’t believe this is my country and the country my grandparents were so proud to become citizens of and my father fought for in WWII. Please, someone tell me we can be saved.

lea on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

This might sound familiar to you: Back in the USSR

What we have now discovered about Barack Obama and Eric Holder’s America, if we didn’t already know it, is that any belief in a benign and decent government in this country is absolute horseshit. Liberalism has been revealed as a fascist joke.

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/irs-boss-of-tea-party-probes-targeted-anti-clinton-group-in-1990s/article/2529533

I asked FNC to check it out since the hearning didn’t address it.

amr on May 17, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Lighter moment???!!! Yous gotta be kidding me. False analogy.

CUSTOMERS, in this case, do not have a choice of not patronizing their provided service.

Sir Napsalot on May 17, 2013 at 2:25 PM

I’ve been a government employee before. This is a failure of management. Rank-and-file IRS agents know exactly what they’re supposed to do and not supposed to do. They would not have done this without directives, I don’t care what the numbers say about party affiliation. This rot goes deep.

alwaysfiredup on May 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM

NYT: Official Says Treasury Dept. Knew of I.R.S. Inquiry in 2012

The Treasury Department’s inspector general told senior Treasury officials in June 2012 he was investigating allegations that the Internal Revenue Service had targeted conservative groups, disclosing for the first time on Friday that Obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign year.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Every time I see a photo of Steve Miller I always think about this episode form the Three Stooges (hint: tarantula)

OxyCon on May 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM

You know who else had bad customer service?

Kermit Gosnell.

myiq2xu on May 17, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Tea Party

Just thought I would use fowl words on the internet….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

More “horrible customer service” from Democrats.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on May 18, 2013 at 1:10 AM