Christie: Nope, we won’t be building a state exchange in New Jersey

posted at 4:31 pm on December 6, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

Oh, the fall from Beltway media grace shall be sharp and swift for the country’s most popular Republican.

Christie’s decision comes in ahead of the Health and Human Services already postponed deadline of Dec. 14. It also comes on the same day Christie is meeting with President Obama about aid for Hurricane Sandy recovery. Would that be the opposite of a hug? The governor today vetoed state-exchange legislation from his state assembly— a revised version of bill he vetoed in May— and says it comes down to insufficient information from the federal government on what building an exchange will entail. From his statement:

“Such an important decision as how to best move forward for New Jerseyans can only be understood and reasonably made when fairly and fully compared to the overall value of the other options. Until the federal government gives us all the necessary information, any other action than this would be fiscally irresponsible. Thus far, we lack such critical information from the federal government. I will not ask New Jerseyans to commit today to a state-based exchange when the federal government cannot tell us what it will cost, how that cost compares to other options, and how much control they will give the states over this option that comes at the cost of our state’s taxpayers.”

“Financing the building and implementation of a state-based exchange would be an extraordinarily costly endeavor,” continued Governor Christie. “While the federal governmental has enabled states to apply for grant funding to cover some of the initial costs of such an endeavor, the total price for such a program has never been quantified, and is likely to be onerous. Without knowing the full scope of which exchange option would be most beneficial and cost efficient for New Jerseyans, it would be irresponsible to force such a bill on our citizens.”

Remember, the Obama administration just put forth a regulation explaining what elements must be in exchange insurance plans the week of Thanksgiving— 32 months after the bill passed and just 11 months before open enrollment is due to start in exchanges. The Affordable Care Act gave states the option to build exchanges on their own, partner with the federal government to build them, or hand over the building of the exchange to the federal government entirely.

There are now at least 19 states that have declined to build exchanges of their own, which means an ever-growing technical heavy lift for Sec. Kathleen Sebelius’ troops. They didn’t anticipate having to build so many— the New York Times reported the administration assumed foolishly every state would simply build their own— and are apparently far from ready to debut one.

Christie did not close the door on some day starting an exchange once the state has more information from the federal government, but he’s not going to be among the first down this path. New Jersey Democrats who helped author the bill had urged Christie to build an exchange and he was seen as one of the more likely prospects among Republican governors to do so. I’m not surprised he’s declining. From both a political and practical standpoint, it does not make sense to take on this bear with little idea how much it will cost, what would constitute success, or whether a completed project will actually have a federal data hub to plug into. That has not yet been built, nor is there any hint what a federal exchange might look like.

Maryland is the state perhaps best positioned to accomplish standing an exchange up by October 2013. It probably has more health care regulators per capita than any other state and has a long history of heavily regulating the industry. Its Gov. Martin O’Malley, a Democrat with national ambitions, was eager to lead the way in exchange building and the legislature has passed two rounds of legislation enabling it. But even Maryland is facing a serious time crunch, hoping to have development of its technological component finished in the second quarter of 2013. That gives it five months to make that technology work with the existing technologies, employees, and customers of all the state’s agencies and insurance carriers. And, this is a state that started preparing to launch a state exchange pretty much the day the bill passed. It’s no wonder Christie doesn’t want to take it on with far less time, just as little detail, and 50 percent more in population.

If I were a governor, my statement might be something along the lines of, “Show me yours and I’ll show you mine.”


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“See? He is so severely conservative! He is so dreamy, covered in dreamy sauce with soft, fluffy dreamy dumplings.”

-Ann Counter & Jennifer Rubin.

portlandon on December 6, 2012 at 4:34 PM

OT: Google buying drones to track gun owners

It has begun.

faraway on December 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Ha. Ahem.

Ha ha ha ha.

Rolls eyes.

dczombie on December 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM

“See? He is so severely conservative! He is so dreamy, covered in dreamy sauce with soft, fluffy dreamy dumplings.”

-Ann Counter & Jennifer Rubin.

portlandon on December 6, 2012 at 4:34 PM

That is exactly why this is being done. He’s gearing up for 2016. Of course, he’s wasting his time since it’s now Jeb Bush’s turn.

Doomberg on December 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM

That’s what he says until Bruce Springsteen called him.

Archivarix on December 6, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Is Gov. Christie suggesting that the Obama administration hasn’t given him enough specifics!!!!

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 4:39 PM

OT: Google buying drones to track gun owners

faraway on December 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Unless gun owners qualify as “endangered wildlife”… Actually, with Obama, they will soon do.

Archivarix on December 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM

They didn’t anticipate having to build so many— the New York Times reported the administration assumed foolishly every state would simply build their own— and are apparently far from ready to debut one.

Good Lord, this White House lives in fantasyland. They really thought that every state would voluntarily create these exchanges on their own? When half of them were suing the federal government in order to get out of this damn law?

Doughboy on December 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Well, he’s gained a small notch back in my book…a small one. I am still pi$$ed at the Obama tongue-bathing on the Jersey shore. I will never fully get over that one.

NJ Red on December 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM

If you have to go begging to a federal government $16 trillion in debt for money to rebuild after Hurricane Sandy, you probably don’t have the money to build a health care exchange.

monalisa on December 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Were Christie to run for POTUS he’d be savaged like any other Republican. Imagine how he’d look in editorial cartoons for pity’s sake.

I wonder why Boehner isn’t being rehabilitated by the Leftist press now that he’s purging committees of conservatives.

Akzed on December 6, 2012 at 4:43 PM

The Affordable Care Act gave states the option to build exchanges on their own, partner with the federal government to build them, or hand over the building of the exchange to the federal government entirely.

What slays me is how the left gets their panties in a wad whenever a state announces they’re opting out. Libs practically equate it to treason, when it’s actually one of the options explicitly spelled out in their beloved law!

KS Rex on December 6, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Meh. If Barky makes a personal appearance in Jersey to have a stroll on the beach with Christie, then Christie will turn around and support an exchange in order to suck some more feral money from Washington.

I have yet to hear what Christie ever got out of his embrace of the Indonesian during Sandy. Allegedly, it was something so important that he had to screw America over right before the election … but I have yet to figure out what it was.

I can’t say that I really care what Jersey does or doesn’t do with respect to ObamaScare. Christie already did his damage – and it was fatal.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 6, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Well now . . . won’t that make his BFF Obama pout and cry?

rplat on December 6, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Is Gov. Christie suggesting that the Obama administration hasn’t given him enough specifics!!!!

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 4:39 PM

.
I know; shocking, huh?

Well, go for it Chris.

listens2glenn on December 6, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Obama to Christy “Here is $50 billion use it for Sandy cleanup or for what ever. Now about those exchanges.”

RickinNH on December 6, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Hey Christie. Just do us all a favor and…
Go Away!!!!!!!

Natebo on December 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM

The liberal Republican always pulls right, just before jumping left.

portlandon on December 6, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Oh please. Next he’ll be telling us that his morbid obesity is due to a “glandular problem”.

FORWARD! (to Golden Corral!)

Pork-Chop on December 6, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Awe, the two love birds are having a little tiff? Obama will send over flowers and candy, and all will be right again.

On second thought, nix the flowers.

cptacek on December 6, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Since 2007 Oregon has been funneling money into a massive expansion of our Department of Human Services by taking it out of the General Fund money designated for schools. Then they come back to the taxpayers crying about no money for schools and get higher taxes passed. If you’re against the new taxes you hate children or something, never mind we still spend $10,000 a year per child and the money was robbed from the kids to pay for: Universal Healthcare in Oregon.

So Oregon is ready. The goal was always 2013 to be bankrupting this state. I live here but I don’t call it mine. It’s run entirely by the Democrats elected by the two major population centers.

Our governor/legislators look to California for inspiration. And we’ll follow them right into bankruptcy . . .

PastorJon on December 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Unless gun owners qualify as “endangered wildlife”… Actually, with Obama, they will soon do.

Archivarix on December 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM

The drones wont be tracking ‘wildlife’. They’ll be tracking humans.

faraway on December 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM

West State Street freeze-out

DanMan on December 6, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Here’s an idea:

Imagine if Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama did the following:

1. Standardize pain and suffering limits on Texas’ cap.
2. Adopt the Texas law that in case a lawsuit is judged to be “without merit” in that it is thrown out before going to trial, the plaintiff pays the defendant’s legal fees.
3. Standardize their state coverage mandates.
4. Allow the health care providers of the alliance states to operate among those allied states with a single business unit without requiring them to have a separate business unit in each of the states. Basically you are allowing them to operate across state lines within the alliance of states.
5. Allow the creation of private “exchanges” where individuals and small employers can band together to get the benefit of better insurance rates for a large group. Basically this is to health insurance what credit unions are to banking. Allow the creation of “health insurance unions” (for lack of a better term) that basically operate in the role of the “exchange”.

In other words, all of those states I mentioned above are now completely controlled by Republican legislatures and governors. Apply Republican free market principles to the problem and get health insurance rates down by using tort reform, mandate reform, and removing barriers of competition while allowing individuals to get their own insurance at lower cost than currently possible.

Imagine you are holding your own policy. You can negotiate a higher salary with an employer because they don’t have to cover you AND if you change jobs, your coverage goes with you. You don’t have to stay in a job that you hate just because of the insurance. And rather than having a “state exchange”, if a person goes to work for an employer that does not provide benefits or is unemployed, their premium can be subsidized by the state if needed.

crosspatch on December 6, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I wonder why Boehner isn’t being rehabilitated by the Leftist press now that he’s purging committees of conservatives.

Akzed on December 6, 2012 at 4:43 PM

The Democrats no longer need the liberal Republicans. They’re now trying to wipe out the Republican party completely. I imagine “cooperative” Republicans will be allowed to keep their seats or given cushy jobs in exchange for their surrender.

I’m thinking there’s a good chance the Republicans will just be gone by 2016, and certainly afterward unless something big changes. At this point the party base is deserting them and the leadership is doing nothing to stop it or fantasizing about making Hispanics their own, personal “captive minority.”

I think we’ll see more conservative stalwarts like DeMint finding various excuses to walk away from Congress in the next two years.

Doomberg on December 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Ann Coulter tells him to capitulate.

Fallon on December 6, 2012 at 4:56 PM

The drones wont be tracking ‘wildlife’. They’ll be tracking humans.

faraway on December 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM

During a property tax protest a couple of years ago the guy I was working with got up and left his screen unattended so I checked out what they had on my house. Not only did they have the typical Google aerial and street views, they had obliques of every side of my house with enough resolution to see the windows and doors on every exterior wall. I was having my electric lines buried and the colors of the shirts of the guys digging the trench were visible.

Throw in a SmartMeter and cell tracker and they know when you’re sleeping and when you’re awake.

DanMan on December 6, 2012 at 5:02 PM

The drones wont be tracking ‘wildlife’. They’ll be tracking humans.

faraway on December 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM

You know what happens to drones when they try to film pigeon shoots in Pennsylvania?

This

antipc on December 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Coulter is basically right. The people voted for tax increases. Polling shows a significant majority of people in the US believe they want higher taxes on the rich. They do not understand basic economics and do not “believe in” notions like the Laffer curve where revenues fall when tax rates are raised.

The only way to get that through to these people is to let it happen. Give them the tax increases, show them the REDUCED revenue and increased unemployment that results from it, then rub the Democrats’ noses in that in 2014 and kick them out of the Senate.

If we DON’T do that, the economy is STILL going to go South because of Obamacare and other crap but the people are going to blame us for the deficits because we didn’t allow those taxes to go up. They are being fed a line of bull that the magic bullet to all of our problems is to increase taxes on the rich and they believe it. So give it to them. Then show them exactly what happened because of that and then we will have greater support from a broader cross section of the country for getting the socialists out of the Senate.

crosspatch on December 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Good Lord, this White House lives in fantasyland. They really thought that every state would voluntarily create these exchanges on their own? When half of them were suing the federal government in order to get out of this damn law?

Doughboy on December 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM

This was the thought process:

1) Romneycare included a state exchange, so we’ll just copy that model

2) Massachusetts had little trouble setting up its exchange, so other states won’t either

3) We’ll sweeten the deal by giving tax credits to people who buy their insurance through a state exchange, so people will demand their states set them up

3) We take away a Republican argument that this is a “national health care program” by saying “no it isn’t, it’s a 50-state program that is largely administered by the states.”

rockmom on December 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Too late… This traitor did more to re-elect Obama than hundreds of millions of dollars in Obama TV ads…

mnjg on December 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Gov. Christie, “You didn’t build that!” Ha.

tomg51 on December 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM

In an earlier life I was involved with the creation of complex state/federal IT systems and with large scale stand-alone state systems. The work here, especially a working, secure and accurate federal data hub can not be done in the time frame available even if all the current unknowns were known. It is impossible. Prepare for a crash landing.

Mason on December 6, 2012 at 5:04 PM

crosspatch on December 6, 2012 at 4:53 PM

This is pretty much how interstate banking happened. A few states got together and decided to allow banking across their lines and standardized the regulations. Pretty soon banks in other states wanted in, a federal court found that another state could not prohibit it due to the interstate commerce clause, and in short order we had interstate banking.

There is nothing Washington could do if a bunch of states wanted to do this with health insurance.

rockmom on December 6, 2012 at 5:07 PM

its kinda strange not to see christie standing next to obama giving him a loving smile and an affectionate hug.

renalin on December 6, 2012 at 5:08 PM

I don’t love Christie like Coulter & Rubin (I am getting less enamored by Coulter and am starting to see her as approaching Bill O’Reilly), or hate him like some of my fellow HA citizens.

He seems to be a governor who generally puts his state first. What plays in NJ won’t in TX or KS, but hopefully not in CA or IL either. He seems to pick the battles he thinks he can win. I’ll give him credit for this one. The more states that reject building exchanges, the better the news for conservatives. And we aren’t getting much good news these days.

22044 on December 6, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Good Lord, this White House lives in fantasyland. They really thought that every state would voluntarily create these exchanges on their own? When half of them were suing the federal government in order to get out of this damn law?

Of course they did – it was outlined in the Unicorn and Fairie-dust section, sandwiched between the cost savings and improvement-in-service to all Americans sections.

NeoDawg on December 6, 2012 at 5:11 PM

BTW this is not the first time Christie has said “no thinaks” to a mandate from Washington. He turned down a whole bunch of federal money to build a new tunnel into Manhattan, because he knew it would be a bottomless pit of graft and union-led cost overruns. He took a ton of heat from the White House and liberal pundits for that.

The guy is a consistent fiscal conservative, and New Jersey is still in a fiscal hole that he is trying to crawl out of. Now the state has a natural disaster to deal with. Not really the time to go off on a wonky liberal fantasy adventure with an unknown cost.

rockmom on December 6, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Gov, if you wante more info, you should have read my blogs. If you want a lawyer-generated PDF, drawn up for the Health Insurance Companies, let me know. I’ll e-mail it to you.

kingsjester on December 6, 2012 at 5:13 PM

…the fat man is dead to me!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Nope?! Wow. When cameras caught him waddling into the White House earlier today, I was sure he would be cradling the whole Obama Administration in his ample bosom. Hah!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 5:19 PM

22044 on December 6, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I don’t dislike him, I think he is perfect for New Jersey. I’d like to see what he does there after two terms to see if can be considered a national candidate. And while I understood his upbeat assessment of Obama during Sandy, I don’t like to see anyone being that effusive about anyone who has only given promises. Talk is cheap.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Maybe it’s just a tease, and after he gets billions in hurricane aid from little Bammie he will give in. He needs something on the table since his french kissing of little Bammie is a done deal.

slickwillie2001 on December 6, 2012 at 5:26 PM

During a property tax protest a couple of years ago the guy I was working with got up and left his screen unattended so I checked out what they had on my house. Not only did they have the typical Google aerial and street views, they had obliques of every side of my house with enough resolution to see the windows and doors on every exterior wall. I was having my electric lines buried and the colors of the shirts of the guys digging the trench were visible.

Throw in a SmartMeter and cell tracker and they know when you’re sleeping and when you’re awake.

DanMan on December 6, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Zillow.com has those 360deg views.

slickwillie2001 on December 6, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Don’t get too excited.
It is probably just cover for the talks with his BFF 0bama to just go straight to single payer, by edict.

LegendHasIt on December 6, 2012 at 5:28 PM

They didn’t anticipate having to build so many— the New York Times reported the administration assumed foolishly every state would simply build their own— and are apparently far from ready to debut one.

Doubt that story

The people outside the government who wrote Obamacare wrote it as a means to an end. They had to slide in the coverage, and build ramping penalties to make the public hate Obamacare, so they would beg for National Health care.

It was not written to satisfy public need. Penalties are carefully placed to herd the cows down the path. The absence of a penalty for not creating an exchange cannot be a foolish oversight.

The requirement is too big to miss. I would say they planned the situation, hoping to make their opponents look like they were heartless

Obama’s people will ‘struggle’ to build exchanges, and the MSM will cast the blame on the opponents who did not care to help the sick

Gee, if it all plays out as envisioned, the sheeple will clamor to fix the problem by setting up one big exchange.

Just watch. The MSM is on standby

entagor on December 6, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Tom Corbett has held off starting one for PA because of the unknown cost.

I hope this nudges Corbett into the “no” group. The Dem machine in Philly will squawk, but hey, payback for excluding the poll watchers on 11/6.

Wethal on December 6, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Tom Corbett has held off starting one for PA because of the unknown cost.

I hope this nudges Corbett into the “no” group. The Dem machine in Philly will squawk, but hey, payback for excluding the poll watchers on 11/6.

Wethal on December 6, 2012 at 5:29 PM

I’ve been following that when I can…I get status updates on FB from Americans for Prosperity – Pennsylvania.

22044 on December 6, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Setting up those exchanges is stupid. It’s adopting an additional expense that a state need not absorb, as well as giving up the loopholes due to the bill’s verbiage of “state-run exchanges”. The fact that Christie isn’t a complete idiot doesn’t necessarily mean that he opened his trousers and found a pair. I’m as disappointed in him for the way he knifed Mitt Romney in the back as I’ve ever been with a Republican. And that’s because, for awhile, I believed in him.

Murf76 on December 6, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Good for Christie, but I suggest he stay in Jersey. Maybe he can run for the Senate, because he blew his Presidential chances.

DDay on December 6, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Imagine if Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama did the following:

crosspatch on December 6, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I’m adding my own personal No. 6:

S-E-C-E-D-E

TxAnn56 on December 6, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Look, said Christie, over there, a squirrell. Soon as he gets more info., it’s a done deal.

they lie on December 6, 2012 at 5:41 PM

I will not ask New Jerseyans to commit today to a state-based exchange when the federal government cannot tell us what it will cost, how that cost compares to other options, and how much control they will give the states over this option that comes at the cost of our state’s taxpayers.

Yet both of your US Senators, who historically are supposed to represent the interests of your state, thought Obamacare was Jim Dandy. What are you doing to ensure they are booted from office when their terms expire next year if you think Obamacare is so bad?

RobertE on December 6, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Chris Creosote.

Bmore on December 6, 2012 at 5:47 PM

He is doing what anyone representing his state should; he is trying to maximize the federal dollars flowing into his state while stemming the flow of state dollars outward to DC.

That being said, it’s a gosh-darn shame all his Conservative cred got swept out to sea.

M240H on December 6, 2012 at 5:57 PM

In Cristie’s defense the GOP did just nominate a guy who basically pioneered ObamaCare…

So no I don’t think Christie has no chance to win a GOP nomination in 2016. It is not like Christie did anything less conservative than what Romney did when running Camelot as governor.

William Eaton on December 6, 2012 at 6:10 PM

kingsjester on December 6, 2012 at 5:13 PM

listen to kj christie…

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Tom Corbett has held off starting one for PA because of the unknown cost.

The Oklahoma challenge is interesting because it argues that if the state doesn’t build the exchange, the federal government cannot give the credits OR enforce the penalties. So a state where the governor does not create the exchange is actually in a more competitive position than a state that puts the exchange in place. Not only will most of the red states be right-to-work, they will also be Obamacare-free…which will attract more businesses and workers to their state.

This is the argument the governors should be making.

monalisa on December 6, 2012 at 6:14 PM

“See? He is so severely conservative! He is so dreamy, covered in dreamy sauce with soft, fluffy dreamy dumplings.”

-Ann Counter & Jennifer Rubin.

portlandon on December 6, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Jennifer Rubin lost what little credibility she had during the 2012 GOP primaries. Coulter is an elitist who acts like a conservative when she wants the rubes to buy her books.

bw222 on December 6, 2012 at 6:16 PM

That fat bombastic slob opening a Health Exchange would be a laugh riot. Too bad.

Mr. Arrogant on December 6, 2012 at 6:17 PM

The Oklahoma challenge is interesting because it argues that if the state doesn’t build the exchange, the federal government cannot give the credits OR enforce the penalties. So a state where the governor does not create the exchange is actually in a more competitive position than a state that puts the exchange in place. Not only will most of the red states be right-to-work, they will also be Obamacare-free…which will attract more businesses and workers to their state.

This is the argument the governors should be making.

monalisa on December 6, 2012 at 6:14 PM

YES. A refuge from Obamacare.

slickwillie2001 on December 6, 2012 at 6:18 PM

The technology infrastructure to build these exchanges alone would be complex enough to challenge the largest and most competent private sector organization building it for their own use.

If you add the Federal and State governments into the equation, federal and state laws and regulations, vested interests, and consultancies into this…it is going to be a gargantuan clusterfark and undoubtedly illegal.

And, like I say, that’s only looking at the technology infrastructure. The larger piece is the people and processes to work it.

I’m heartened. This might actually be entirely unfeasible, and I’m an optimist when it comes to change.

CorporatePiggy on December 6, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Of course either way it will result in tens of billions of dollars of expenditure and waste.

On the upside it is going to create many crony millionaires and billionaires.

CorporatePiggy on December 6, 2012 at 6:26 PM

There is nothing Washington could do if a bunch of states wanted to do this with health insurance.

rockmom on December 6, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Nowadays, this seems like a very quaint, dated, and naive notion.

There is nothing Washington *can’t* do if it wants to, with the actions of the last few years as sufficiently stark evidence. Don’t be lulled by a sense that they’d let a small and inconvenient thing like the law, or the Constitution get in the way of doing whatever the hell they want.

They won’t.

Midas on December 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM

The Oklahoma challenge is interesting because it argues that if the state doesn’t build the exchange, the federal government cannot give the credits OR enforce the penalties. So a state where the governor does not create the exchange is actually in a more competitive position than a state that puts the exchange in place. Not only will most of the red states be right-to-work, they will also be Obamacare-free…which will attract more businesses and workers to their state.

This is the argument the governors should be making.

monalisa on December 6, 2012 at 6:14 PM

YES. A refuge from Obamacare.

slickwillie2001 on December 6, 2012 at 6:18 PM

SANCTUARY STATES!

Midas on December 6, 2012 at 6:28 PM

TxAnn56 on December 6, 2012 at 5:41 PM

I’m with you on this one. I know it’s not as simple as wanting it, not by a long shot. However, our liberty is worth fighting for; and lately, that’s becoming more and more apparent.

MustLoveBlogs on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Good Lord, this White House lives in fantasyland.

Nope. Republicans like Christie, if he is serious, are living in fantasy land.

Companies have already started dumping employees from their health care rolls, starting with part time workers. See WalMart. Soon more large companies will join the bandwagon, dumping part time and then full time workers, knowing that they can save money by not giving employees benefits, and paying the fine/tax instead.

This is the devil’s bargain made by Wall Street/Big Business with Obama/Democrats. Pay a little bit more in taxes in return for losing ruinous health care and retirement obligations. It’s win win for these people. It is why Warren Buffett is running around saying he’d be willing to pay higher taxes. Even with the bigger tax bite, he’ll make more money.

By law, a citizen must now have health care, either through an employer or through the individual market. If those exchanges, with the subsidized plans, are not in place when 100′s of 1000′s of people lose their benefits, they will vote the recalcitrant governors and legislators right out of office. It will happen everywhere. It will happen in Texas and in Alabama, as well as New Jersey.

That’s why the Obama administration is dragging on this. It’s deliberate. Make it harder to set up the exchanges, empower the recalcitrant conservative governors and state legislatures, and watch the entire country go blue.

I’m willing to bet that the Obama administration has some sort of national exchange ready and waiting in the wings.

Anyone who thinks this is not going to happen is a fool.

Mr. Arkadin on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

He’s so fat!

blue13326 on December 6, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Sec. Kathleen Sebelius’ troops

Last I read, they were up to 20,000 pages of new regs and just getting started. Is it possible this thing will just implode and never be enacted?

PattyJ on December 6, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Doughboy on December 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM

The law suits had little to do with it. They figured the Medicaid poison pill would keep all the states in line. The court banished that poison pill.

chemman on December 6, 2012 at 6:50 PM

entagor on December 6, 2012 at 5:28 PM

There was a penalty loss of medicaid funds. The court overturned that poison pill.

chemman on December 6, 2012 at 6:57 PM

…the fat man is dead to me!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 5:13 PM

That fat bombastic slob…

Mr. Arrogant on December 6, 2012 at 6:17 PM

He’s so fat!

blue13326 on December 6, 2012 at 6:41 PM

I’m overweight, so what!”

I think he’s funny when attacking unions or the media, he’s an idiot when he’s walking along the beach with Barry, he’s good for New Jersey and should stay there (no national office) and I don’t care what he weighs.

Fallon on December 6, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Ohh.. Butterball and his boyfriend had a tiff. So sad. Springsteen will have to mediate.

Whatever Christie does to actually repair his image, remember that Fatty screwed Romney to preserve his own career. He was hoping that you’ll forget once he does some token conservative things and yells at a few more union hacks.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 7:19 PM

By law, a citizen must now have health care, either through an employer or through the individual market. If those exchanges, with the subsidized plans, are not in place when 100′s of 1000′s of people lose their benefits, they will vote the recalcitrant governors and legislators right out of office. It will happen everywhere. It will happen in Texas and in Alabama, as well as New Jersey.

That’s why the Obama administration is dragging on this. It’s deliberate. Make it harder to set up the exchanges, empower the recalcitrant conservative governors and state legislatures, and watch the entire country go blue.

I’m willing to bet that the Obama administration has some sort of national exchange ready and waiting in the wings.

Anyone who thinks this is not going to happen is a fool.

Mr. Arkadin on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Call me a fool then.

Any governor worth their salt will point out to voters that this is the Federal government’s doing not their own and lawsuits will fly if the IRS tries to punish citizens for not taking out health insurance from a non-existent exchange.

Yes the Democrats are quite fond of using the constitution as toilet paper. No, that tactic won’t work. Last time I checked, people trust their state legislatures a heck of a lot more than Congress and the IRS.

CorporatePiggy on December 6, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Coulter is basically right. The people voted for tax increases. Polling shows a significant majority of people in the US believe they want higher taxes on the rich. They do not understand basic economics and do not “believe in” notions like the Laffer curve where revenues fall when tax rates are raised.

The only way to get that through to these people is to let it happen. Give them the tax increases, show them the REDUCED revenue and increased unemployment that results from it, then rub the Democrats’ noses in that in 2014 and kick them out of the Senate.

If we DON’T do that, the economy is STILL going to go South because of Obamacare and other crap but the people are going to blame us for the deficits because we didn’t allow those taxes to go up. They are being fed a line of bull that the magic bullet to all of our problems is to increase taxes on the rich and they believe it. So give it to them. Then show them exactly what happened because of that and then we will have greater support from a broader cross section of the country for getting the socialists out of the Senate.

crosspatch on December 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I was convinced that the Conservative New Media would bring Obama down. But the opposite happened. The rise of the Tea Party took place because of the combination of internet networking and the Conservative New Media. But the reaction of the MSM was to punch back twice as hard, and sadly, most idiots believe what the MSM says. If the MSM is shouting that much louder and more hysterically, we Conservatives say “look, we’ve got them on the defensive”. But the louder and more hysterical shouting actually works.

I’m afraid we’re stuck back in the 1930′s, when FDR could just keep blaming Herbert Hoover over and over again, and people went along with it. If unemployment is 10% and gas prices are $6 a gallon in 2016, the MSM will say it’s Hoover’s Bush’s fault, and the idiots will believe them. The fall of Lehman Bros and AIG right before the 2008 election, with an America hating Marxist poised to be elected, will prove to be the death knell of this once great nation. The American people are in a trance. Logic won’t work anymore with them.

Sandra Fluke worked, Julia worked, Lena Dunham worked. It all worked. 60% of White Americans still have common sense, the rest of the country is batsh*t crazy. They believe Republicans are not only knuckle dragging cavemen, they’re knuckle dragging cavemen who wrecked the economy. And as long as the MSM keeps up their propaganda, the idiots will NEVER catch on. Too many young people who have been completely brainwashed. Too many immigrants who say “I likee a big government that take care of people”.

It’s over.

ardenenoch on December 6, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Any governor worth their salt will point out to voters that this is the Federal government’s doing not their own and lawsuits will fly if the IRS tries to punish citizens for not taking out health insurance from a non-existent exchange.

Oh yes, I am sure that a civics lecture and a lawsuit are going to satisfy some man or woman with high blood pressure and diabetes who just lost his or her health insurance and doesn’t have a viable means of purchasing the affordable health insurance that he or she is mandated by law to purchase.

How about a single mom whose kid breaks a bone on the playground or is sick.

Or a 52-year old cancer patient?

They will blame the person and party denying them care, and reward those that give them care.

Any politician or party who refuses to implement an exchange in their state will pay a huge political price.

This is a bad strategy and will end in failure.

Mr. Arkadin on December 6, 2012 at 7:45 PM

This is a bad strategy and will end in failure.

Mr. Arkadin on December 6, 2012 at 7:45 PM

You’re assuming all these state governments just roll over and take it in the kiester.

In this doomsday scenario that is precisely what they will NOT do. They have many options open to them.

Washington state, not exactly a conservative stronghold, just passed a law to entirely legalize marijuana. This is in absolute contradiction to Federal law. The lesson scales and nullification and withholding can be used.

To awesome that some of these state governments will just go softly into the night at the behest of Lord Bark fails to recognize the egos involved.

CorporatePiggy on December 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM

awesome assume.

CorporatePiggy on December 6, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Washington state, not exactly a conservative stronghold, just passed a law to entirely legalize marijuana. This is in absolute contradiction to Federal law. The lesson scales and nullification and withholding can be used.

Yes, because a majority of the population of Washington State is fine with legalized marijuana.

The majority of the populations of any state will not be fine with not being able to access affordable health insurance because elected state officials refuse to establish exchanges in order to prove a political point.

People can only stand on principle for so long. Faced with the injury, financial ruin, or loss of life of self or a loved one will cause most people to cave on their opposition to Obamacare.

State governments are still subject to the will of the people of those states, whatever their political persuasion. When enough of the electorate has no access to affordable health care because the exchanges have not been set up, those governents will be voted out of power, or they will cave when they see the writing on the wall.

Mr. Arkadin on December 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM

ObamaCare…….DESIGNED TO FAIL since Day One.

GarandFan on December 6, 2012 at 8:43 PM

State governments are still subject to the will of the people of those states, whatever their political persuasion. When enough of the electorate has no access to affordable health care because the exchanges have not been set up, those governents will be voted out of power, or they will cave when they see the writing on the wall.

Mr. Arkadin on December 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM

You could well be right Mr. Arkadin. But there are a wealth of assumptions in your argument that bear discussion.

- You are assuming that employees who currently have high quality employer subsidized healthcare plans will suddenly lose all coverage.
– High quality (gold plated, if you like) policies are really almost unheard of now in the private sector. Deductibles and premiums have gone up by double digit percentages for years now. As have exclusions and riders.
– Very low quality policies, like the ones offered to perma-temps, will still be offered because the impact of OCare to the employer will be minimal. Why? Because the employer subsidy is already very low.

- You are assuming that ambitious state executives haven’t seen all this coming from the word go and developed multiple contingency plans. You can assume the electorate is stupid, assuming they are is unwise.

CorporatePiggy on December 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

CorporatePiggy on December 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Not to mention, the more astute citizens of this country are likely making contingency plans of their own, such as seeking out doctors who are starting up concierge practices, along with the inevitable black market for healthcare that will no doubt spring up.

PatriotGal2257 on December 6, 2012 at 10:20 PM

You can assume the electorate is stupid, assuming they are is unwise.
CorporatePiggy on December 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Yeah, because recent and current history show how absolutely brilliant and what great long-term thinkers they are.

LegendHasIt on December 7, 2012 at 12:08 AM

OT: Google buying drones to track gun owners

It has begun.

faraway on December 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Here is my pitch for a new show for discovery….

“Drone Hunters”

Guys buy high power sniper rifles to take out the drones following them.

Thank You

redguy on December 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Oh yes, I am sure that a civics lecture and a lawsuit are going to satisfy some man or woman with high blood pressure and diabetes who just lost his or her health insurance and doesn’t have a viable means of purchasing the affordable health insurance that he or she is mandated by law to purchase.

How about a single mom whose kid breaks a bone on the playground or is sick.

Or a 52-year old cancer patient?

They will blame the person and party denying them care, and reward those that give them care.

Any politician or party who refuses to implement an exchange in their state will pay a huge political price.

This is a bad strategy and will end in failure.

Mr. Arkadin on December 6, 2012 at 7:45 PM

If those folks needed healthcare through an exchange then they need to move to a state that has an exchange. Under Obamacare all of those people would have options. They do not need an exchange to get healthcare. Obamacare will end in failure – just has our glorious President has.

redguy on December 7, 2012 at 12:19 AM

The best part about all of this is that the states are actually choosing. Pelosi/Reid/Obama thought all they had to do was tell the states they had to do it or lose their Medicaid funding and all the states would be forced to do it and carry the burden of the costs. Thanks to the Supreme Court, that was considered coercive and they can actually make a choice.

txmomof6 on December 7, 2012 at 8:12 AM

CorporatePiggy on December 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I am afraid you are engaging in wishful thinking. You must see clearly. One can still oppose Obamacare while understanding the reality of the current situation. Not a lot of options here.

Obamacare was not written by the Obama administration or by Congress. It was written by corporate America, and not just by the insurance companies. It was designed to unburden corporate America of its ruinous health care expense burden.

This is actually not a bad thing. Our employer-based health care system is a disaster. Why should an employer bear the de facto responsiblity for the nation’s health insurance? The system started out by accident, as a way to attract workers during a the period of WWII wage and price controls, and evolved into a monstrosity. It is a bad system for the employer, who is crushed under the expense, and a bad system for the employee, who receives reduced wages, and who is tied like a serf to his job because of the benefits.

Now employers will shed this burden because they can. Not all, but enough. Empoyers in high value-added, profitable, very competitive businesses will still offer health benefits to employees. Employers on the edge, barely profitable, facing brutal foreign competition from firms that don’t have to offer benefits to employees, will not.

It will start slowly, with part timers. Wal Mart has already made their announcement. They are high profile. They are being criticized. They don’t care.

The trickle will turn into a flood as more and more businesses see that there is no real downside to dropping employee health benefits. Companies will say that they had to drop benefits, or either close or move offshore. At least people will still have jobs! People will accept this.

What people will not accept is not having the option of affordable individual health care plans, which they must purchase or pay a tax/penalty, made available through state exchanges.

These people will not move to a state that has a functioning exchange. They will make sure that their state has a functioning exchange.

By voting blue.

Mr. Arkadin on December 7, 2012 at 9:24 AM

From both a political and practical standpoint, it does not make sense to take on this bear

Doesn’t matter. I will not be voting for him should he be the GOP nominee for President in 2016. I will be voting for a real conservative this time. And if there isn’t one running, I will write in a vote.

Sterling Holobyte on December 7, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Christie: Nope, we won’t be building a state exchange in New Jersey

“…until I get a kiss from POTUS…”

labrat on December 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Libs practically equate it to treason, when it’s actually one of the options explicitly spelled out in their beloved law!

KS Rex on December 6, 2012 at 4:44 PM

1) This is what happens when you write a gigantic piece of terrible legislation that no one bothers to read before passage.

2) Liberals know there’s no sustainable way for this to work unless the cost is forced onto the states. The federal government can’t afford to pay the billions or trillions this will cost.

englishqueen01 on December 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM

“See? He is so severely conservative! He is so dreamy, covered in dreamy sauce with soft, fluffy dreamy dumplings.”

-Ann Counter & Jennifer Rubin.

portlandon

Christy should stop stalling and build the exchanges already. Otherwise he’s just giving the democrats a club. You can’t win, governor Christy. Besides, it’s not like the federal government doesn’t already play a role in health care.

- Ann Coulter

xblade on December 7, 2012 at 3:11 PM