Bobby Jindal: Ideas for staving off the fiscal Armageddon

posted at 6:21 pm on December 6, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Congressional Republicans are in a pretty rough position right now, to put it lightly; at every turn, the Democrats and the media are painting the GOP as the party merely trying to preserve tax loopholes for their billionaire buddies (nevermind that every dollar spent by the government is a dollar not spend much more effectively in the private sector, coming at the opportunity cost of economic growth) and callously cut off benefits for seniors and the poor, all on the backs of the middle class (forget that the Republicans’ real goal is to engender a free, robust economy in which people don’t need to be dependent on such programs). The Democrats are winning the PR battle on that one, as we clearly saw with the results of the November election, and Republicans may find themselves in the position of ceding on the fiscal cliff.

But beyond the fiscal cliff, there are even deeper and more systemic problems that will come to fruition in the all-too-foreseeable future (hint: the entitlement explosion and our tens of trillions in unfunded liabilities), and Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal makes the case for some ideas for long-term reform in an op-ed today:

Today it’s the fiscal cliff, but that surely will not be the end of it; next year it will be the fiscal mountain, after that the fiscal black hole, and after that fiscal Armageddon. But the truth is Washington already drove us off the fiscal cliff while no one was looking. A nation that has a $16.3 trillion debt, a debt that is larger than our entire economy, has already driven through the guard rail and is in free fall with the cliff somewhere in the rear view mirror. …

Here are a few structural reforms, any one of which would be worth fighting for in this fiscal cliff diving exercise:

• A federal balanced budget amendment. States have balanced budget laws, small businesses have to balance their budgets, and families have to do the same. This is an idea that is supported by virtually every American who does not live in the 202 area code. It’s common sense. It is also laughed at in Washington. When you mention the BBA as a solution, they roll their eyes and write you off as a non-serious person. But the American public is dead serious about it, and they should be.

• Place a cap on discretionary and mandatory federal spending by fixing a limit on it tied to a percentage of GDP. Eighteen percent is a reasonable number in my book, but almost any number would be a victory at this point. Require a super majority vote to over-ride this limit, which would allow for recourse in a time of war or other national emergency. Again, this solution makes far too much sense to be taken seriously in Washington, a sure sign that it’s a good idea. This president is rapidly making a permanently higher level of government spending the new normal. …

A balanced-budget amendment? Quelle horreur! But as Jindal says in his piece, it is all too apparent that “Congress and this administration are psychologically incapable of getting our fiscal house in order without laws that give them no other alternative” — which pretty adequately explains why President Obama is asking to wield a credit card in the United States’ name with no credit limit to speak of. Actually having to have a plan to eventually correct the balance sheet and abide by a mechanism that forces us to have politically difficult conversations? Now, that’s just crazy talk.

Update: I’ve swapped out my initial front-page picture, by popular demand; I didn’t think it was so bad, but I hear ya’!


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Find a better picture of Jindal, Erika.

portlandon on December 6, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Seriously???

WTF is up with that picture???

BigWyo on December 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Obama is asking to wield a credit card in the United States’ name with no credit limit to speak of. Actually having to have a plan to eventually correct the balance sheet and abide by a mechanism that forces us to have politically difficult conversations? Now, that’s just crazy talk.

“I won” –Azzhole of the World

Schadenfreude on December 6, 2012 at 6:30 PM

I have no faith that the GOPe will do the right thing. None whatsoever.

davidk on December 6, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Congress could begin to get a handle on this problem if they would just repeal the Budget Act of ’74.
Unfortunately, the Senate would never, ever bring it to the floor for a vote, and this President would not sign it.
So, we are consigned to a never ending debate about how to balance spending and taxing, and taxes could never be raised high enough to balance the spending proclivities of The Ruling Class, let alone to pay off our indebtedness.

Another Drew on December 6, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Jindal…LOL

I wish him well with the politics within his party.

Mr. Arrogant on December 6, 2012 at 6:33 PM

HotAir is showing itself to be hackery with that photo. I am not a Jindal fan, but this is really treasonous. You people are hacks like the rest of the mainstream media. Pathetic.

SuperBunny on December 6, 2012 at 6:33 PM

First, how is “Peggy” a nickname for “Margaret”?
How is “Dick” short for “Richard”?
Where do you get “Bobby” from “Piyush”?

:P

p.s. That’s got to be the scariest picture of Gov. Jindal, evah!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 6:34 PM

OMG! I see I’m not, ahem, the 1st one to notice the godawful pic.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 6:35 PM

The Rising stars of the OTHER Democrat party….

Bobby Jindal

Marco Rubio

Paul Ryan

All younger faces with the same Bush brand of Government growing Republican philosophy that has ruled the party (with only 3 exceptions/maybe 4 if you count Harding) since 1901.

Sorry folks, at this point the gop is nothing more than a weaker version of the ALL GOVERNMENT, ALL THE TIME Democrat party. The gop TALKS Conservative but when the doors are closed in D.C. and they slap each other on the back most of them are just GREEDY POWER HUNGRY Career politicians.


Just say NO to the Ruling class (of either party) and any that the elitists talking heads promote.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

I have no faith that the GOPe will do the right thing. None whatsoever.

davidk on December 6, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Me either.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

For a politician, Jindal has an uncanny grasp of common sense.

Hopefully, he will be POTUS one day.

rukiddingme on December 6, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Did you notice the happy smiling Christie photo? He looks like a happy Rino with a mouth full of squish.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Seriously???

WTF is up with that picture???

BigWyo on December 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Erika has an agenda. I thought everyone here at HotAir knew that.

portlandon on December 6, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Let’s just chalk it up to bad judgment on Erika’s part. IIRC, she’s a big Jindal fan so she wasn’t trying to make him look bad with the pic, but I agree it’s an awful pic.

GOPRanknFile on December 6, 2012 at 6:39 PM

States have balanced budget laws

How has that worked out for California, Illinois, NY and the other overspending states.

If a BBA was proposed that couldn’t be manipulated like the State BBL’s then I am with you.

chemman on December 6, 2012 at 6:39 PM

These are great ideas but I don’t trust the folks in D.C. to take a very simple idea and turn it into a 2800 page Bill that allows for a zillion different ways around it. If it ever came up for a vote, it would be simply for show and have very little substance.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Sorry folks, at this point the gop is nothing more than a weaker version of the ALL GOVERNMENT, ALL THE TIME Democrat party. The gop TALKS Conservative but when the doors are closed in D.C. and they slap each other on the back most of them are just GREEDY POWER HUNGRY Career politicians.

Just say NO to the Ruling class (of either party) and any that the elitists talking heads promote.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Welcome aboard the reality train … have a seat right here next to me sir!

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM

PappyD61 on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

I can get 2 if I count Coolidge and Reagan. Harding might be 3 who would be 4.

chemman on December 6, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Better Picture, Erika.

Thank you.

portlandon on December 6, 2012 at 6:42 PM

For a politician, Jindal has an uncanny grasp of common sense.

Hopefully, he will be POTUS one day.

rukiddingme on December 6, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Hear, hear!

GOPRanknFile on December 6, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Update: Still seeing the same photo, Erika.

Twice is enemy action.

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 6:42 PM

For a politician, Jindal has an uncanny grasp of common sense.

Hopefully, he will be POTUS one day.

rukiddingme on December 6, 2012 at 6:37 PM

So does Sarah Palin. I guess that means if Jindal ever makes a national move the left will go after him as viciously as they went after Palin.

I think they’re planning how to assassinate (metaphorically speaking) Rubio right now though.

darwin on December 6, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Find a better picture of Jindal, Erika.

portlandon on December 6, 2012 at 6:25 PM

You’d think he was Rick Santorum.

slickwillie2001 on December 6, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Well, several of you have beaten me to it: Jindal looks like he stepped off of a Steven Spielberg movie set. He is very difficult to look at, which isn’t going to help him in a national election, imo. And I realize that this is a very shallow comment, but still.

MustLoveBlogs on December 6, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Update update: I hit refresh, saw the “update,” still with the old photo, now I see the update with a new photo. Did she post the update before changing the photo? Just curious.

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 6:45 PM

If Jindal runs on this platform, he will get my support, and at least 40 additional votes.

astonerii on December 6, 2012 at 6:45 PM

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MEMBER DIARY
A Modest Proposal Regarding Social Security
By: DerKrieger (Diary) | November 30th, 2012 at 06:53 PM | 6

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We have heard for decades from politicians on both sides that Social Security was untouchable, that is was the 3rd rail of politics. We’ve also been subjected to claims from the Democrats that the program is hugely popular and that to propose even modest reform would bring on the wrath of grandma and grandpa. We are regularly subjected to tales of desperate seniors forced to eat dog food or choose between medications and food so as to play on the sympathies of voters and prevent even modest changes to the program to extend its solvency.

We all know though that the system is unsustainable as the number of workers per retiree has plummeted since the program’s inception and will be at its lowest ratio ever as the Boomers begin retiring.

The unfunded liabilities of the system for those of us still in the work force run into the tens of trillions of dollars. It’s well past time for some changes.

I have what I believe to be a modest proposal to over time, retire the system, prove the Democrats claims about the program’s popularity to be false, and to reduce drastically the program’s unfunded liabilities.
Now of course I haven’t done all of the math but my proposal seems rational to me and has a little something for everyone.

1. Make participation in Social Security optional. This is among other things a moral issue. Why should any American be forced to participate in any government program? Are we not free citizens? Is our income not our property? Are we not largely adults responsible enough to plan for our own retirements? Participation in Social Security is government coercion.

2. Those that opt out will have to forgo all previous contributions. This will keep many, if not most, middle-age workers in the system. It will depend on their doing the analyses to determine what would be best for them financially. This also eliminates those that opt out as future liabilities.

3. Require employers to continue funding their portion of the FICA tax until all participants have passed away. Yes, we all know that the employer contribution is really an employee’s salary that he is never paid but this provision should garner some Democrat support due to the continuing program funding.

4. Ideally we’d also raise the retirement age and in a bow to fiscal reality, implement a means test so younger workers aren’t subsidizing grandma and grandpa’s vacations to Maui.

That’s it! Let’s test the Democrat’s theory on how popular Social Security is. With only 34% of those between 18 and 34 expecting to ever receive any benefits I guarantee most if not all younger workers will opt out immediately. Their investment in the system will have been low so the choice to opt out for them would be a real no-brainer? I suspect that many higher earning workers over 34 will also opt out and divert their FICA taxes to their 401ks, IRAs or even extra appending. I’m 46 and I’d opt out immediately and divert my money to my 401k.

The Democrats don’t really care about the financial well being of Americans, what they really crave is control and the ability to use Social Security as a tool to drive voting.

Let’s push ideas like this that increase our freedom of making our own life’s choices and to break the back of the Democrat party’s demagoguery.

Charlemagne on December 6, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Really, Jindal is the guy? Is this the same Jindal that said after the election that the party can no longer protect the rich and their toys? That Jindal? Don’t think so.

SuperBunny on December 6, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Welcome aboard the reality train … have a seat right here next to me sir!
HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM

You wouldn’t know reality if you got run over by the reality train. I remember when you were running down Paul Ryan because you thought his budget was a poor political calculation. You are a tedious moron without any ideas.

The Count on December 6, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Sorry folks, at this point the gop is nothing more than a weaker version of the ALL GOVERNMENT, ALL THE TIME Democrat party. The gop TALKS Conservative but when the doors are closed in D.C. and they slap each other on the back most of them are just GREEDY POWER HUNGRY Career politicians.

Just say NO to the Ruling class (of either party) and any that the elitists talking heads promote.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Voted R across the board in every election since I could vote (except for that Perot deal I prefer to forget) – but I can’t really argue with what you just said.

dentarthurdent on December 6, 2012 at 6:46 PM

That was quick! My, what a fine looking young man…

Thank you, Ms. Johnsen.

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 6:47 PM

This lady in the red dress can tell you how to take care of the problem. Only takes a minute to hear it.

News2Use on December 6, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Place a cap on discretionary and mandatory federal spending by fixing a limit on it tied to a percentage of GDP. Eighteen percent is a reasonable number in my book

Which proves that even Jindal is not living in reality.

Some years our tax revenues shrink to 17%. 18.1% … that’s the AVERAGE since WWII. But … in fact … the receipts have been running at 15% for the last couple of years. So all Jindal is arguing for is a bit less deficit spending. He’s not even talking about paying off the debt – or even impacting it.

If you want to impact the D.E.B.T. – then you need a cap on spending at around 12% of GDP.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Piyush is a great name, as is Supriya. How do you get “Bubba” from “William?”

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Geithner: ‘Absolutely’ willing to go off the fiscal cliff
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/12/geithner-absolutely-willing-to-go-off-the-fiscal-cliff-151185.html

Tim Geithner said Wednesday that the Obama administration was prepared to dive off the fiscal cliff.

Geithner was asked on CNBC: “is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff?”

“Oh, absolutely,” Geithner replied.

Galt2009 on December 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM

You wouldn’t know reality if you got run over by the reality train. I remember when you were running down Paul Ryan because you thought his budget was a poor political calculation. You are a tedious moron without any ideas.

The Count on December 6, 2012 at 6:46 PM

The reality is … you’re invested in a party that lost it’s ass in this election – couldn’t even defeat the worst POTUS in US history!

And … I’m not to blame for that … no sir!

As far as Ryan’s entitlement reforms – only criticism I ever had …

1. Means Testing for Medicare? Borrowed right from Liberal / Progressive thought.

2. Didn’t impact the budget enough.

What does it matter? No one in the GOP, aside from maybe Sarah Palin, endorsed his first crack at entitlement reforms either.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM

the best thing is for the Rs to have a presser to say that they are the target of a pincer movement. the left-media complex will giggle-snort..but what else to do?

The maneuver was famously developed to its perfection in the blitzkrieg as practiced by the armed forces of Nazi Germany during World War II. In this case, rather than being a mere infantry maneuver, it developed into a complex multi-discipline endeavor involving fast movement of mechanized armor, use of artillery barrages, air force bombardment, and effective radio communications, with the primary objective of destroying enemy command and control chains, undermining enemy troop morale, and disrupting supply lines.

maybe there are some mil historians to tell them how to get out of it…but Rich Lowry is already hearing the giggling starting

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/operation-humiliation-84663.html?hp=r3

this is wwhy barry had to put the thing about the Preezy controlling the debt ceiling…barry knows the Rs could very quickly give in on the taxes..pretty much a no brainer

so he had to up the stakes….high…very high, give me your power guys

i read that the Whigs actually ended very quickly…just a few years. On one level i don’t think that will happen…the complex legal framewroks protect the major parties.

but conceptually, i can see it happen very quickly. John and Mitch had better had some good advisors to get thru this. Barry wants the house…barry wants the bush tax cuts gone…barry wants the Rs gone

jindal is just wasting time. Focus people

r keller on December 6, 2012 at 6:52 PM

If anyone thinks Pubs. are going to actually cut spending, reduce the size of our bloated fed. gubmint, which they have helped to feed, you are stooooopid. Time to wake up. The pubs. are part of the problem, not the solution. They suck. Time for a third party.

they lie on December 6, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Piyush is a great name, as is Supriya. How do you get “Bubba” from “William?”

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 6:49 PM

I agree! Exotic names are more than acceptable nowadays. Living in Texas, I’ve seen a Bob, a Ted, and a Shevaughn all nicknamed “Bubba”.

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Erika, if you don’t think pictures matter, get Ed to fill you in on the fourteen hour dead cat fiasco.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 6:58 PM

If anyone thinks Pubs. are going to actually cut spending, reduce the size of our bloated fed. gubmint, which they have helped to feed, you are stooooopid. Time to wake up. The pubs. are part of the problem, not the solution. They suck. Time for a third party.

they lie on December 6, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Even IF you replaced all the corrupt Ayatollahs running the GOP with ANGELS from GOD’S HEAVEN … the “GOP” brand is too tainted now for even them to do anything with it.

Do yourself and your country a favor …

BURY IT.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:58 PM

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM

sorry, means-testing is not borrowed from the progressives. Left/Progs think that SS/Medicare was NOT welfare. Ok? That Everyone gets it…so there’s NO shame in receiving it…it is a RIGHT

those used to be bedrock principles. Of course FDR said that no crooked pol could ever fool with SS…and barry threatened seniors with NO checks…so left/progs can and do change their ‘minds’

kinda like buying a used car from a fast-talking sales guy who is selling you insurance on the side. Listening to a prog/leftist is a risky business

r keller on December 6, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Time for a third party.

they lie on December 6, 2012 at 6:55 PM

No party will succeed until people experience exactly what the socialists are doing. It may take a few years, it may take twenty years.

The quickest solution is for like minded states to ban together and ignore the dictates from the federal government.

darwin on December 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM

My question is how do you sell responsibility to voters who’re having none of it? I’m still not totally processing how Ogabe could’ve been reelected in America.

50% +1 have a vested interest in continuing the bloated entitlement state, and have no fear at all about the cost of funding it.

SAMinVA on December 6, 2012 at 7:01 PM

First, how is “Peggy” a nickname for “Margaret”?

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Observe:

Margaret -> Meg/Meggy -> Peg/Peggy
Mary -> Molly -> Polly
Martha -> Matty/Matsy -> Patty/Patsy

“Origin of the Change of ‘Mary’ into ‘Polly’” :

This change, like many others in diminutives, is progressive. By a natural affinity between the liquids r and l, Mary becomes Molly, as Sarah, Sally, Dorothea, Dora, Dolly, &c. It is not so easy to trace the affinity between the initials M. and P., though the case is not singular; thus, Margaret, Madge, Meggy, Meg, Peggy, Peg—*Martha*, Matty, Patty—and Mary, Molly, Polly and Poll; in which last abbreviation not one single letter of the original word remains: the natural affinity between the two letters, as medials, is evident, as in the following examples, all of which, with one exception, are Latin derivatives: empty, peremptory, sumptuous, presumptuous, exemption, redemption, and sempstress and again, in the words tempt, attempt, contempt, exempt, prompt, accompt, comptroller (vid. Walker’s Prin. of Eng. Pron. pp. 42, 43.); in all which instances however, the p is mute, so that “Mary” is avenged for its being the accomplice in the desecration of her gentle name into “Polly.” Many names of the other sex lose their initials in the diminutive; as,

Richard Dick
Robert Bob
William Bill
Edward Ned
Christopher Kit
Roger Hodge

and probably many others; but I have no list before me, and these are all that occur.

steebo77 on December 6, 2012 at 7:01 PM

I have no faith that the GOPe will do the right thing. None whatsoever.

davidk on December 6, 2012 at 6:30 PM

.
Me either.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

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Cynics !
.
.
Oh, wait . . . . .
.
.
. . . . . I guess I am, too. : (

listens2glenn on December 6, 2012 at 7:02 PM

My question is how do you sell responsibility to voters who’re having none of it? I’m still not totally processing how Ogabe could’ve been reelected in America.

50% +1 have a vested interest in continuing the bloated entitlement state, and have no fear at all about the cost of funding it.

SAMinVA on December 6, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Two groups of people voted Obama: Committed socialist, and just plain ignorant. The ignorant have absolutely no idea what they’re doing. They actually think the socialists are looking out for them.

darwin on December 6, 2012 at 7:03 PM

sorry, means-testing is not borrowed from the progressives. Left/Progs think that SS/Medicare was NOT welfare. Ok? That Everyone gets it…so there’s NO shame in receiving it…it is a RIGHT

those used to be bedrock principles. Of course FDR said that no crooked pol could ever fool with SS…and barry threatened seniors with NO checks…so left/progs can and do change their ‘minds’

kinda like buying a used car from a fast-talking sales guy who is selling you insurance on the side. Listening to a prog/leftist is a risky business

r keller on December 6, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Sorry, but you’re wrong. I remember Liberals talking about “Means Testing” back in the 70′s even. They’ve never believed that rich people, or even well off people should receive it.

Even when Reagan made adjustments to save SS – there were Libbies out there screaming for “means testing”.

Whatever – “means testing” damn sure isn’t a Conservative idea. What? I pay money into the system all my life and draw na-da or less than I paid in just because I’m well off?

That’s not a Conservative idea.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

I have no faith that the GOPe will do the right thing. None whatsoever.

davidk on December 6, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Me either.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

…ok!…so that makes us the Three Musketeer’s!…where’s Dartanian?

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:58 PM

obviously that is not feasible…but you want a one-party state? like most of the cities? Is that cool to you?

the corruption of the D party is vast…intellectually and every other way. Oh, you heard that the woman who helped write obama.care is now a Lobbyest for J and J?

r keller on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

I’m sorry I missed the scary Jindal pic.

steebo77 on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

The reality is … you’re invested in a party that lost it’s ass in this election

Coulnd’t care less about the GOP. How’d Gary Johnson do? Seems like he lost by roughly 50%.

See, here in reality we recognize that “blowing up” the GOP only makes about as much sense as your other options. Gee, let’s have the GOP and a Tea Party and have the rats pull their ~50% while we split ours between two people.

As far as Ryan’s entitlement reforms – only criticism I ever had …

1. Means Testing for Medicare? Borrowed right from Liberal / Progressive thought.

2. Didn’t impact the budget enough.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM

The Ryan plan has done nothing but put the GOP on DEFENSE – not a good place to be when poised to retake the Senate and the House. We’re sunk now – only way we succeed is by EDUCATING the American public on why this is important. Might could have done it with a GOP President using the bully pulpit …

But we’re not gonna do it in 18 months – that’s for sure.

Thank you GOP elites for this wondrous political suicide.

HondaV65 on May 24, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Yeah, tell me again you wise old sage that your only concerns were with policy deficiencies of the GOP/Ryan Plan. Moron.

The Count on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

re. Quelle horreur!

Not only is putting the federal government in a fiscal straightjacket a terrible idea, but even people with strong free market leanings should seriously pause before considering the kind of arbitrary spending caps that Jindal is touting here.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/12/06/jindal_calls_for_balanced_budget_amendment.html

According to Slate, the amount of money you actually have to spend is an arbitrary spending cap.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Why does Jindal keep talking?! Fiscal Armageddon issues are not part of his job!

/illinidiva

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 7:06 PM

I’m sorry I missed the scary Jindal pic.

steebo77 on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Now I’m dying to know what it was.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM

All this common sense yada yada yada. We lost the election. America has spoken. The only way to get out of this PR disaster was to give Obama what he wants–a gigantic bill of tax increases, then get out of the way. But, the regressives were never going to vote for it or against it anyway. They’ve wanted to go over the cliff all along. They want painless, read cowardly, tax increases, so they can ride in on their black horse and pass tax cuts. The R’s need to either play politics or go home.

txhsmom on December 6, 2012 at 7:08 PM

My question is how do you sell responsibility to voters who’re having none of it? I’m still not totally processing how Ogabe could’ve been reelected in America.

50% +1 have a vested interest in continuing the bloated entitlement state, and have no fear at all about the cost of funding it.

SAMinVA on December 6, 2012 at 7:01 PM

You lost, not because Americans are a bunch of “give-me” babies … you need to believe that though to assuage your wounded egos …

YOU LOST because you could not sell to the American people the idea that the Republicans would be any better than Ogabe. Look around you fools! You’ve got the same people in positions of leadership in the GOP that were running things when the economy collapsed in ’07!

And you’re suprised that the American people don’t trust them?

Please …

Your worries won’t end until you’ve destroyed the GOP and rebuilt a new party that doesn’t have a brand name that tells people … “TALK A BIG GAME – PLAY A SMALL ONE”

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Welcome aboard the reality train … have a seat right here next to me sir!

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM

FOAD Obama voter and Fauxahontas donator.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Margaret -> Meg/Meggy -> Peg/Peggy
Mary -> Molly -> Polly
Martha -> Matty/Matsy -> Patty/Patsy

Richard Dick
Robert Bob
William Bill
Edward Ned
Christopher Kit
Roger Hodge

steebo77 on December 6, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Heh-heh thanks! I think I’ll just call ‘em all “Bubba”.

:D

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Yeah, tell me again you wise old sage that your only concerns were with policy deficiencies of the GOP/Ryan Plan. Moron.

The Count on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Looks like I was right there huh? I’m clearly saying that we’re looking at a hurting in 2012.

What did you guys get in 2012?

You got …

A hurting.

Ryan’s plan was ill-timed too yeah … forgot about that. Who can argue it wasn’t. Put the ball right in the Dim’s hands to go off on their “Mediscare” tactics … which worked.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

SuperBunny on December 6, 2012 at 6:45 PM

There is a big difference between stealing peoples hard earned money and giving out corporate welfare. Republicans don’t exactly have clean hands when doling out to their buddies.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Axe, could have been this or very similar to this.

Schadenfreude on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:58 PM

obviously that is not feasible…but you want a one-party state? like most of the cities? Is that cool to you?

the corruption of the D party is vast…intellectually and every other way. Oh, you heard that the woman who helped write obama.care is now a Lobbyest for J and J?

r keller on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Don’t bother engaging. He is a proud Obama voter and also donated to Warren’s senate bid.

He’s a really dumb troll who is worthy of nothing but derision and scorn.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

FOAD Obama voter and Fauxahontas donator.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:10 PM

^^This^^

I have no idea why anyone responds to the Obot.

JPeterman on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Schadenfreude on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Worse than than, albeit sans footlong corndog a la Bachmann.

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Cindy Munford: that’s not what he was saying though was it, and by the way, even if it was, it shows political negligence, because it feeds the meme. He does not have a very good political compass.

SuperBunny on December 6, 2012 at 7:15 PM

…ok!…so that makes us the Three Musketeer’s!…where’s Dartanian?

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Sorry! I was with a wench!

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 7:16 PM

RE: HondaV65

FOAD Obama voter and Fauxahontas donator.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:10 PM

^^This^^

I have no idea why anyone responds to the Obot.

JPeterman on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

And I gladly remind everyone if I see its face around here. So when it starts to hurt and friends/loved ones start getting laid off or go without, we’ll all know who to is responsible: The Obama voter, of which HondaV65 is gleefully one of.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Don’t bother engaging. He is a proud Obama voter and also donated to Warren’s senate bid.

He’s a really dumb troll who is worthy of nothing but derision and scorn.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Spot on with both accounts! I am, in fact, a proud Elizabeth Warren because Snot Brown was a traitor to the conservative cause. In the end – your GOP spent millions to reelect him and he got his ass handed to him by a fake Indian!

And yeah – I voted for Ogabe – not cuz I like him – but because I HATE THE GOP B-TARDS THAT HAVE LIED TO ME ABOUT LIMITED GOVERNMENT FOR 30 YEARS OF MY LIFE!

You can’t save this nation until you have a decent party. In order to do that – you have to destroy the GOP. You can’t do that by voting for them!!

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

I have no faith that the GOPe will do the right thing. None whatsoever.

davidk on December 6, 2012 at 6:30 PM

I wish I had some faith but I’m with you. This is their test, though. Pass and they’ll continue to get support. Fail? Bye bye.

scalleywag on December 6, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Axe, could have been this or very similar to this.

Schadenfreude on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

O. Ah, no big thing. Thanks Schadenfreude. :)

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Here is the unflattering photo of Jindal which Erika used, twice. I found it at HuffPo.

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM

And I gladly remind everyone if I see its face around here. So when it starts to hurt and friends/loved ones start getting laid off or go without, we’ll all know who to is responsible: The Obama voter, of which HondaV65 is gleefully one of.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Yep blame me … not only cuz I voted for Ogabe – but I also voted, for 30 years before that … for Republican blow-hards who also ran up the debt at unsustainable rates.

There’s ya go … which makes YOU just as guilty as I am.

What I think is funny is that … even after Willard’s been exposed to be an unbalanced individual – you still seem to think he could have MATTERED had he won.

He most definitely would not have mattered.

And by the way – I don’t even know who you are – your posts are so impressive your name doesn’t even stick in my mind.

As mine does yours! ;)

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM

I’m sorry I missed the scary Jindal pic.

steebo77 on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Now I’m dying to know what it was.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM

I tried to track down a photo of similar breathtaking ugliness, but Ms. Johnsen must have found a one-of-a-kind hiccup in the universe. It’s the sort of picture that if it was of you in high school, you’d want to beat up the whole yearbook committee. Aaah well…

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 7:24 PM

SuperBunny on December 6, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Everything seems to be open to interpretation but it cannot be denied that the Republican party is seen as the party of corporations over people. Fair or not, if we are going to embrace Free Enterprise, than it truly needs to be free of government favoritism. On both sides of the aisle.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 7:24 PM

By the way – I didn’t think that was a bad picture of Jindal. He’s my governor – I love the guy too! :D

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:25 PM

You can’t save this nation until you have a decent party. In order to do that – you have to destroy the GOP. You can’t do that by voting for them!!

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Voting for Obama doesn’t destroy the GOP … it destroys the nation.

Thanks for nothing.

darwin on December 6, 2012 at 7:26 PM

As far as Ryan’s entitlement reforms – only criticism I ever had …
1. Means Testing for Medicare? Borrowed right from Liberal / Progressive thought.
2. Didn’t impact the budget enough.
HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Ryan’s plan was ill-timed too yeah … forgot about that. Who can argue it wasn’t. Put the ball right in the Dim’s hands to go off on their “Mediscare” tactics … which worked.
HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

You’re a joke, pal. How many times can you contradict yourself in just one thread?

Enjoy the second Obama term for which you voted. You make the Obamaphone woman looked like an informed voter. At least she understands that her vote affirmatively gets her precisely what she wants.

The Count on December 6, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Spot on with both accounts! I am, in fact, a proud Elizabeth Warren because Snot Brown was a traitor to the conservative cause. In the end – your GOP spent millions to reelect him and he got his ass handed to him by a fake Indian!

And yeah – I voted for Ogabe – not cuz I like him – but because I HATE THE GOP B-TARDS THAT HAVE LIED TO ME ABOUT LIMITED GOVERNMENT FOR 30 YEARS OF MY LIFE!

You can’t save this nation until you have a decent party. In order to do that – you have to destroy the GOP. You can’t do that by voting for them!!

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

I thought about just snorking at you and not responding, but then I realized that it would be important to respond to you because you are a perfect highlight of a true demented moron.

You actually think that voting for Obama and Warren (you honestly think that a “true con” would get elected in a state that kept Ted Kennedy employed? really? yowza) would be helpful?

You have consigned a lot of good people to hard times ahead and quite possibly a lot of death and destruction (look at Egypt and Syria, Iran and Israel in the future).

While it would have been difficult, it was still possible to do what was needed to clean out the GOP. Now it will be harder and more destructive. If it’s now possible at all. We may have had our last chance before amnesty and all the other bad policies take over.

But no. Your (and all other Obama voters) impatience, stupidity, greed or whatever it was that compelled you to vote for that clown will cause a lot of unnecessary grief and for what? Absolutely nothing that couldn’t have been done otherwise.

You are incredibly stupid. You think you’re clever, but clever people would see the big picture and take the smaller victories looking at the big picture.

I hope the only responses you get in the future is me reminding everyone that you voted for Obama and derision from everyone else.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:28 PM

The Republicans couldn’t field a candidate to beat BHO. This means Republicans are forever doomed, along with America.

Democrats control the media, education and unions.

Welcome to the Apocalypse.

Old eagle on December 6, 2012 at 7:28 PM

And by the way – I don’t even know who you are – your posts are so impressive your name doesn’t even stick in my mind.

As mine does yours! ;)

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Stupidity so profound is remarkable.

See you next thread, clown.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:29 PM

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:08 PM

so you come over here to have someone else do your homework for you?

google saving Social Security

up pops MMFA (is that prog? enough)..criticizes a wsj analysis

here’s there botton line…just like always

These trends suggest that the bulk of the work in closing Social Security’s projected deficit should be carried by taxing more earnings and at a slightly higher rate, rather than by cutting benefits. [Brookings Institution,

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/12/03/wsj-has-the-wrong-prescription-for-social-secur/191648

i know this is tedious Honda…poly sci is. Here’s the prog arguement

Means testing Social Security would fundamentally change it from social insurance (a universal system of benefits earned by all who have paid in) to welfare (a system requiring you to prove you are needy in order to qualify for benefits). As social insurance, Social Security provides a foundation of retirement security, family life insurance, and disability income protection for virtually all American workers. Benefits are an earned right based on earnings from which premiums are deducted, as payroll taxes

http://www.aarp.org/content/dam/aarp/research/public_policy_institute/econ_sec/2012/option-means-test-social-security-benefits-AARP-ppi-econ-sec.pdf

oh, and here’s another right wing outfit…MotherJones

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/12/problem-means-testing-social-security

Just because you asset that someone is wrong, doesn’t make it so.

but…it is better to focus your H8 onto the crooks who have used all the SS money.

r keller on December 6, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Anybody notice how our kick the can efforts are becoming more, and more difficult, and dramatic. I do believe a 2008 type event, or maybe worse is coming soon. Party like it’s Armageddon!

DFCtomm on December 6, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Google images, page 8.

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Well, it’s 3:30 in the morning here in the middle east where I’m posting from. Nah … I know a lot of you would LOVE to think I’m a jihadist – but in fact, my job is small cog in the war on terror to kill them.

Be that as it may … I need to sleep.

Let’s recap here …

Love Jindal … but he’s really talking about working around the fringes with his 18% of GDP number … here ya go …

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205

Historical rates for tax revenues. Note that, in many years, we haven’t even collected 18% in revenues so … he’s still advocating deficit spending in the lean years and, even in the good years – he’s not talking about paying off the debt even a little.

TWELVE PERCENT is what it should be – then you can balance the budget and pay the debt off – as we should be doing.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:31 PM

A balanced-budget amendment?

Only if there’s some guarantee — which even then I still wouldn’t trust — that the penalty for breaking said law was immediate execution of all members of Congress; otherwise, a complete waste of time and effort in today’s ubiquitous DC environment of lawlessness and criminality (especially in the Executive Branch) …

ShainS on December 6, 2012 at 7:32 PM

TWELVE PERCENT is what it should be – then you can balance the budget and pay the debt off – as we should be doing.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Too bad you voted for the idiot who has no desire to balance a budget or pay down our debt.

Oh wait a minute, where has King Obama’s budget been for the past 3 years?

JPeterman on December 6, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Christien Are you my own personal Hot Air stalker? You’ve certainly been harassing me on enough threads today.

Second, Jindal has been acting quite poorly in the last month. The mishandled comments about Romney were tacky, especially since he was apparently really lobbying for VP and later HHS in the Romney administration.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 7:35 PM

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I may not agree with how Honda expressed his disappointment over our current situation, but I think to lay another four years of Obama at his door is a bit much. I’m glad he comes here to vent and I don’t care that he assumes I’m being taken for a ride, at this point I agree. The difference between us is that I don’t know what do about the situation. If his vote and his donation gives him some small satisfaction in a way of rebellion, so be it. I think your reaction should reassure you that most are not willing to follow suit.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Google images, page 8.

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Thanks. I clicked on your earlier link. Yep, that was the exact expression, but the one posted here looked a little more–I dunno–Greasier…eeeyuck.

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 6, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Don’t bother engaging. He is a proud Obama voter and also donated to Warren’s senate bid.

He’s a really dumb troll who is worthy of nothing but derision and scorn.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Yep. Now he’s trying to put the Moby-cloak back on and it doesn’t work like that.

slickwillie2001 on December 6, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Too bad you voted for the idiot who has no desire to balance a budget or pay down our debt.

Oh wait a minute, where has King Obama’s budget been for the past 3 years?

JPeterman on December 6, 2012 at 7:35 PM

You think Romney would have righted the ship? Not even Ryan’s plan came close to balancing the budget and he was considered an economic radical even among the GOP. I know the truth is scary, but it’s the truth none the less. The whole Western world is headed to financial collapse and the only question is when.

DFCtomm on December 6, 2012 at 7:43 PM

He’s a really dumb troll who is worthy of nothing but derision and scorn.

kim roy on December 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Yep. Now he’s trying to put the Moby-cloak back on and it doesn’t work like that.

slickwillie2001 on December 6, 2012 at 7:39 PM

And yet for all the circular-backpatting by you butthurt crybabies, the GOP is still utterly ineffective against the Demoncrat menace, you lost to the worst president in United States history, and there is now basically no resistance whatsoever against the liberal agenda.

Do you have ANY plan at all now, or is L.I.B. really all anyone has left?

MelonCollie on December 6, 2012 at 7:43 PM

You think Romney would have righted the ship?

DFCtomm on December 6, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Probably not, but at least would have tried. And he sure as hell wouldn’t be asking for an open ended credit limit with regards to debt ceiling.

JPeterman on December 6, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Unless I’ve lost my mind Honda was a proud Palin supporter but she was not only slammed by the Left but kicked in the teeth by the Right. Not a move the promotes devotion or even mild loyalty.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2012 at 7:50 PM

brit hume just tweeted this apropos of means testing

On PBS Max Richtman of Nat Cmte to Preserve SocSec & Medicare makes familiar case: means testing SS would turn earned benefit into welfare.

hint: he’s no conservative

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-richtman/

but, of course, there’s much i agree with in the SS argument. I’d like to hold the crooked class accountable. They sold a ponzi scheme, and the crooks need to be held to account.

Lots of people paid lots of money..which helped cover the real annual deficits for a long long time. Most ponzi people wind up in jail…but if you are a pol, you get a fat pension

r keller on December 6, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Complain to the management, if you’re worried that getting pushback on Jindal threads about your Jindal remarks might be “stalking.”

You can dish it, but you obviously can’t take it. No worries. You’re on permanent *gaze* from now on.

Christien on December 6, 2012 at 7:52 PM

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