White House: When we said tax revenue figures were ‘just math,’ we meant ‘politics’
posted at 5:11 pm on December 5, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham
Yes, yesterday, we said this was about math, but when confronted with this unfortunate flashback, let us amend that answer with this equation: Politics = Math
As you saw Erskine Bowles say this week, a lot has changed since we were negotiating with John Boehner in 2011, including an election in which the American people spoke on the need for a balanced approach that protects the middle class and asks the wealthiest Americans to pay slightly higher tax rates. Moreover, even in the 2011 negotiations Speaker Boehner agreed that if tax reform did not work out then there would be decoupling with the middle-class tax cuts made permanent and the rates for high-income households rising.
Since the 2011 negotiations we have taken a hard look at the numbers and the math and there’s simply no plausible and desirable way to achieve the kind of deficit reduction we need without hurting our economy and sticking it to the middle class unless we ask for slightly higher rates for the wealthiest individuals. The math simply doesn’t add up. We are willing to do tough things and compromise to find a solution here. But the fact remains that there’s one thing standing in the way of achieving a deal and that’s the Republicans’ refusal to ask for slightly higher rates for the wealthiest individuals. We are hopeful that they’ll come to the table on this so we can find a solution that has balance and is good for the economy.
The fact that politics have changed is a reasonable assertion, but politics changing didn’t make the math change. Either the president was wrong when he said the “raising revenue” route could result in $1.2 trillion ($400 billion more than Republicans suggest is possible) then or he’s misleading now.
The Boehner suggestion of the Bowles pitch, which was written up by even Talking Points Memo as reasonable at the time of its proposal, doesn’t become mathematical “magic beans and fairy dust” simply because the President won, and the press shouldn’t pretend it does.
This is part of a larger tactic by the Left to polarize any plan that doesn’t stay in deepest, deep denial about entitlement spending. Please see a Fix the Debt event yesterday in which the coalition group embodying the Simpson-Bowles proposal and chaired by the Beltway’s most “reasonably reasonable” men themselves was heckled by disruptive liberal protesters. The press normally fetishizes bipartisan committee findings like Simpson-Bowles and Republicans who are willing to speak at such conferences, but who got the coverage yesterday? Demagoguing protesters painting Simpson-Bowles as radical, not the people reasonably talking about the debt. (Full disclosure: My husband does some advising on Fix the Debt, but I’m not involved aside from noticing liberals trying to make even Simpson-Bowles a pariah policy.)
Philip Klein offers a good criticism of Simpson-Bowles and S-B-inspired plans, saying Republicans “shouldn’t give bipartisan legitimacy” to the “revenues” euphemism. The point about dynamic scoring is important:
There’s been an ongoing debate over what counts as new “revenue” under this formulation. For instance, conservatives would be fine with the federal government collecting more revenue if the increased flow was the result of a more efficient tax code that boosted economic growth. But as I’ve noted, Bowles does not favor the use of dynamic scoring, a practice that accounts for growth-generated revenue. So that means if Republicans were being faithful to Bowles, the dollar value of the loopholes and deductions they’d be eliminating would have to exceed — by $800 billion — the lost revenue resulting from any reduction in tax rates. And that would be a clear tax increase.
If Republicans agree to raise taxes, they should just own up to it. They should argue that the best deal that they could get with an intransigent Obama still in office was to extend the rates on lower brackets, and they should express regret that they couldn’t prevent tax hikes on those with higher incomes. This would no doubt be a political defeat. But an even worse outcome would be for Republicans to negotiate a weaselly compromise in which they keep the rates the same, but get rid of $800 billion in loopholes and deductions, and then go around arguing that they merely agreed to “new revenue” rather than higher taxes.
Byron York says the closest Republicans will get to a win is relinquishing on upper-bracket tax increases and demanding commitments on entitlements in return:
Of course, raising taxes on the top bracket will not produce anywhere near enough money to avert a debt crisis down the road. Nor will cuts strictly in discretionary spending, although some should be made. The most important thing is reining in entitlement spending. So a deal would be: Republicans agree to raise the top tax rate while Democrats agree to cut entitlements.
“You need about $4 trillion over the next decade to stabilize the debt,” says former Congressional Budget Office chief Douglas Holtz-Eakin. “I would happily go from 35 percent to 39.6 percent in exchange for a trillion each out of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. That has to be the nature of the deal. Republicans give on taxes, and Democrats have to give on entitlements.”…
A Republican offer to allow a top rate increase in exchange for entitlement cuts would turn the spotlight on the Democrats’ entitlement dilemma. If President Obama takes the position of many in his party — AFL-CIO chief Richard Trumka, for example, has written, “NO to cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and YES to fair taxes on the wealthiest 2 percent”– there will be no deal. But that would not stop the Republicans from saying right now: While we do not support raising taxes on anyone, especially in this weak economy, we will accept the president’s top-bracket rate increase in exchange for trillion-dollar cuts in the big three entitlement programs.
Doing that would forestall the Democratic attack that the GOP will not bend on tax rates. Instead, it would be the president who’s not bending. Of course, Obama — and many in the media — would find other grounds to attack Republicans. But since the GOP is ultimately going to relent on the top tax rate, why not do it when it has some benefit?
Sure, but we’ve seen this play before, in which hikes are agreed to but cuts mysteriously never materialize. Even if Obama did “commit” to some movement on entitlements, you’re likely to end up with the press dressing up Kabuki as some kind of responsible progress, and Republicans left with their cave and little else.
Sadly, it’s just a testament to how bad this political situation is for Republicans that that may be the only “win” they can wring from it. Head asploding.
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Deflection, its what they do.
rob verdi on April 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM
You do err, Mr. Jazz: it’s the future war.
The ‘kill Romney /Occupy’ strategy will be in effect until the 2014 mid term elections in order to sway the LoFo voters to switch the House to democrat control.
locomotivebreath1901 on April 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Why does it have to be a Romney plan? Lots of people won and lost last year, they’ve got plenty to choose from. ^_^
Oxymoron on April 7, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Jobs’ Report? What Jobs’ Report? Hey, Look! Gay Marriage And A Squirrel Playing The Banjo!
Resist We Much on April 7, 2013 at 3:41 PM
So now Romney is the new blamestick? Fine by me, I never want to hear Bush blamed again.
nobar on April 7, 2013 at 3:46 PM
Never assume that Obama wants something good for the USA.
See his dummy capo too.
p.s. Obama is out golfing.
Schadenfreude on April 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM
Romney was also responsible for Benghazi!
Because, remember, he tried to assign blame to the Obama Administration pre-emptively. Before the blame was warranted by the slowly-leaked and media-ignored facts.
And now, thanks to that premature designation of culpability to Obama and Hillary, Romney deserves more blame than they do… for blaming them… or something.
profitsbeard on April 7, 2013 at 3:54 PM
He’s a ginger!!1!!!
Blake on April 7, 2013 at 3:55 PM
Wonder if bho’s team gets tired of blaming everyone in the US for krappy policies? They all must be programed to put the blame on everyone else but bho? I know I sure am tired of bho’s pass on blame! You got re-elected bho YOU OWN it now!
L
letget on April 7, 2013 at 3:58 PM
President Sibilant Esses would just as soon forget regular order and issue a royal decree. But now, of course, it’s his focus. Like a laser.
Lest we all forget, compromise means Obama gets whatever he wants and the GOP gets to like it.
Curtiss on April 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM
What expiration date? Everyone knows Bush is actually Emmanuel Goldstein & the eternal personification of right wing fascist evil. There is no expiration date on this Hate Object for the True Believers.
novaculus on April 7, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Oh, and this guy Pfeiffer is the same guy who scolded the Press for quoting stories on Drudge, which is an aggregator of stories written by the Press.
He’s one of Obama’s senior advisors. How old are Obama’s junior advisors?
Curtiss on April 7, 2013 at 4:07 PM
GWB started the Arab’spring’ in Iraq, don’t you know?
Obama owns it, in full!!!
Name one people who are free/freer due to Obama, I triple dare you.
Schadenfreude on April 7, 2013 at 4:10 PM
Hey, Danny. The Republicans already did compromise. Were you in a coma 3 months ago when they caved on tax hikes? Obama got his long sought after higher taxes, so now it’s his turn to give a little on spending and entitlements.
Doughboy on April 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM
Illegal immigrant felons.
Curtiss on April 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM
its not america’s duty to free other people.
I’d much rather obama focus on fixing america than worry about liberating some other country.
nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM
Yep. Including extra-special treatment for dirtbags Auntie Zetuni and drunk-driving Uncle Omar.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM
Barky wants to “fix” America like a dog gets fixed. You’re too much, hoping that the anti-American, anti-Western, third-world dog-eating retard wants to help the people he hates with every single one of his 84 IQ points … LOL.
Maybe he’s busy working on those “profit AND earnings ratios” or spending time mucking up health care but “reduc[ing] premiums by 3000%!!” You idiots are too funny. I just wish you would all be funny in some other country that deserves your useless existence.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM
The only thing Ogabe is fixing, is his eyes on Reggie Love’s chucks.
tom daschle concerned on April 7, 2013 at 4:22 PM
LOL – I am thinking of renouncing my America citizenship – flying to Mexico and then crossing back in as an undocumented Democrat….I would probably be that much further ahead of the gringos…
redguy on April 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM
…”the private sector is doing fine!”
KOOLAID2 on April 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM
Wallace let him get away with selling his strawmen and snake oil on pretty much every point.
Why is that?
Mimzey on April 7, 2013 at 4:35 PM
Funny. I figured you’d be downright indignant with Pfeiffer, after professing your love for Romney yesterday. Troll.
CycloneCDB on April 7, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Whats wrong with America?
Mimzey on April 7, 2013 at 4:44 PM
Why does this adolescent troll interject himself in every single thread with some idiotic statement.
BeachBum on April 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM
Its a way of feeling important. Cleaning the hair out of mom’s bathtub for an allowance and french fry money is bad for the ego.
Mimzey on April 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM
obama abomination, err I mean administration = everyting political, the country be damned!
losarkos on April 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM
Forgive me but before the guy said a word he was rubbing me the wrong way.
KBird on April 7, 2013 at 5:20 PM
…you trying to induce a brain aneurism on noforeskin?
KOOLAID2 on April 7, 2013 at 5:22 PM
Lon Chaney, the silent film actor, was called The Man of a Thousand Faces. Obama is The Man of a Thousand Excuses” … … and just as many lies.
VorDaj on April 7, 2013 at 5:31 PM
No reply, he replied.
Mimzey on April 7, 2013 at 5:36 PM
I wonder why this is not getting more press? /sarc
rottenrobbie on April 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM
Some good nuggets in Jazz’s short post yet you post what you posted?
Yes, you’re partisan. You’re nic is a joke.
CW on April 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM
Rhetorical question, right?
AZfederalist on April 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM
Conservative media thats for sure. They continue to stoke the ignorance already inbred in most conservatives.
HotAirLib on April 7, 2013 at 5:59 PM
Yeah…’spose so.
Mimzey on April 7, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Er, um, who was President while Romney was running for the job? I don’t recall Mitt being given any of the policy or executive authority of the President while he was campaigning. Did I miss something?
ss396 on April 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM
There’s no information in that.
Can you provide the examples that was the basis of that reply?
Thanks.
Mimzey on April 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM
Just for HAL
Schadenfreude on April 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM
Too bad that there isn’t some parallel universe where Obama could do his ‘royal decree’ thing, while we sit back and watch. It would be downright hilarious to watch him scamper from decree to decree, frantically trying to contain the massive Unintended Consequences that would result. (But, oh, those poor folks in that alternate universe.)
ss396 on April 7, 2013 at 6:19 PM
American Pie
Schadenfreude on April 7, 2013 at 6:21 PM
Coming soon
Schadenfreude on April 7, 2013 at 6:22 PM
This venomous little toad is not worthy of acknowledgement.
pat on April 7, 2013 at 6:22 PM
nonpartisan = nobrain, the 40% unempl. black youth, the 50 million on real and faux disability, the unemployed, all 90 million of them…they R calling on you, you scum.
Schadenfreude on April 7, 2013 at 6:24 PM
But MSNBC is cool, go figure.
Schadenfreude on April 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM
PFEIFFER: Well, there are a couple of things here, George. First is, the House has passed a budget, the Senate passed a budget. The hope is that the House and Senate can come together and work to try to find a compromise. The president’s focus, in addition to the regular order process that members of Congress say they want, is to try to find a caucus of common sense, folks who are willing to compromise, that don’t think compromise is a dirty word, and try to get something done. And – but if Speaker Boehner’s position, as he said it in that statement, remains his position, then we will not make progress, because what this president will not do is come in, right after getting reelected, and enact a Romney economic plan, which is what the Republicans in the House are proposing.
Elections. Consequences.
Key West Reader on April 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM
HAL’s middle name IS vacuous.
CW on April 7, 2013 at 6:29 PM
Heh. I hope Glenn Reynolds picks this up.
Key West Reader on April 7, 2013 at 6:30 PM
Fixed, unfortunately.
The One does not “give”. He “decrees”, and “takes”, as he sees is his just due.
His definition of “compromise” is “I get what I want- you give it to me.” Period. He is utterly incapable of conceiving that anyone who disagrees with him might have a point. And he is utterly devoted to the principle of “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs- as I define both.”
Reason and compromise are not part of this man’s makeup. All that is there is power lust, and hatred of anyone and anything he perceives as different from himself.
He makes Marat look almost rational. And Lysenko look almost intelligent.
clear ether
eon
eon on April 7, 2013 at 6:59 PM
I always wonder why more isn’t made of the way Obama whistles when he talks. I keep googling “Obama Parselmouth” but come up empty.
PortlandJon on April 7, 2013 at 7:30 PM
The Obama administration, and Hillary, are to BLAME FOR the attack in Benghazi! They BOTH PROMOTED that attack by apologizing for FREEDOM of speech in the USA! Once the Islamists in Benghazi heard that, they scheduled their attack as they saw Obama’s words as a direct concession.
Which is EXACTLY why Romney stated it was BAD POLICY to APOLOGIZE for FREEDOM of speech!
These FACTS were totally twisted up by the propagandists in the media. Their assult started on the very first day before the truth could get in front of their lies!
I wonder when the 350+ BILLION in TAX INCREASES implemented this year will be identified as an economic MISTAKE? Will this take as long to ‘identify’ as Roosevelt’s economically incompetant tax increases of 1937 did? We already have a media that is blaming a cut in increased spending, that has yet to be implemented, for the economic failure that these higher taxes are leading us into.
Freddy on April 7, 2013 at 7:43 PM
Who the hell would take this child seriously, given his dress?
Your suit sucks bad, kid…and you need lessons on neckties.
Looks like a 15 yr. old who busted into Dad’s closet for some Student Body President campaign.
Effin’ amateurs from the ground up.
a5minmajor on April 7, 2013 at 9:53 PM
Drug cartel gangmembers? Illegal aliens? Muslim Brotherhood?
Midas on April 7, 2013 at 10:08 PM
Drug cartel gangmembers? Illegal aliens? Muslim Brotherhood?
Midas on April 7, 2013 at 10:08 PM
Plus the others, you forgot the Black Panthers and the union capos. I already know about these groups.
Next time I’ll be more specific and say “nation people”.
Schadenfreude on April 7, 2013 at 10:23 PM
So Preezy and staff is blaming Romney’s shadow illuminati gubmint…
Forward!
workingclass artist on April 8, 2013 at 12:38 AM