This is no conservative site anymore. It’s GOPe Talking Points Central.

ddrintn on December 6, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Exactly this^

2. There were numerous stories, including on this site about Ryan helping Romney in the ways I mentioned. The VP selection was one of Romney’s two impressive moments during the campaign. It was clear that Romney was hiring a COO for his administration and treated the process like that. McCain clearly didn’t. There was no personal relationship between McCain and Palin.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Still just your say-so and your imagination. No proof. What in Ryan’s background made him qualified to be a “COO” anyway?

Faramir on December 6, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Ryan’s plan is “less pain to all the folks” plan..It was not a radical plan that will/would cause big pain if done suddenly..:)

Liberals know this and play it up knowing well it is not best for the person, the nation, or the culture. But it is best for THEM to buy votes and retain power. Once this type of voter is a majority it’s over. It then will simply go to a bidding war until it all comes tumbling down.

Liberalism never goes in reverse. It must go over the cliff.

This is no conservative site anymore. It’s GOPe Talking Points Central.

ddrintn on December 6, 2012 at 9:50 AM

*facepalm*..

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 11:06 AM

You’re more impressed and interested with soundbites and appearances than you are actual votes.

2. There were numerous stories, including on this site about Ryan helping Romney in the ways I mentioned. The VP selection was one of Romney’s two impressive moments during the campaign. It was clear that Romney was hiring a COO for his administration and treated the process like that. McCain clearly didn’t. There was no personal relationship between McCain and Palin.

Palin couldn’t even give a coherent interview, which actively hurt the McCain campaign. The Romney campaign could have Ryan do interviews without fearing that he’d slip up on a question like what newspapers do you read. Ryan made less gaffes than Romney during the campaign and the ones he made were relatively minor. As for what Ryan actually did for Romney.. he kept the conservative intelligensia and donors from jumping ship in Sept., especially after the 47% comment, and he made Romney a better candidate.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM

You do know what the word “prove” means, right? As I asked, PROVE anything you just typed to be true. Give me some references. Give me some numbers to show that Palin hurt McCain, and that Ryan helped Romney. Give me some proof that Ryan made Romney a “better candidate”. Give me some proof that Ryan kept donors from slipping away. Your say-so isn’t enough.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM

I can see you turning green from my house..:)

ryan lied about his running time. how low can a man get.

As for Sarah Palin, she actively hurt the McCain campaign.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Prove it. And while you’re at it, prove that Ryan did anything more than zero for Romney. As for Rubio, I can’t think of anythning the guy’s done that would make people want to vote for him, other than giving a speech here and there. Oh, and being a Latino. List some of his accomplishments in any elected office.

I just don’t see the need to come beat up on folks at a conservative site to try to win points..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 11:07 PM

LOL, a “conservative site” at which conservatives were regularly beaten up jut for not swallowing the latest Red Team squish Kool-aid.

This is no conservative site anymore. It’s GOPe Talking Points Central.

Rubio and Ryan are Republicans and always will be. It makes sense for them to want to save their own behinds. Self-professing “conservatives” should be smarter than that.

Would not surprise me at all. Since we have no idea what they’ve talked about behind closed doors.

I will give you one marker..Obie is the worst POTUS ever..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

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Lincoln, and it’s not even close.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

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( face-palm )

The Paulnut strikes again.

That’s why I support Paul Ryan and his plan to fix Medicare.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 12:24 AM

You do realize his plan was completely inadequate and relied upon an unrealistic rate of growth and a few other tricks don’t you? It however, was a foot in the door, so I would have taken it.

Then you had better get busy fixing things, because if you don’t then it’s all going to collapse and granny won’t even have her fixed income anymore.

DFCtomm on December 5, 2012 at 11:58 PM

That’s why I support Paul Ryan and his plan to fix Medicare.

Lourdes. I’m not sure your concern about Rubio’s appeal to people at the lower end of the spectrum. Rubio does have serious working class appeal. Seeing him pay tribute to his dad on the steps of the Capitol on January 20, 2017 would be quite good. My issue is that there are no details behind Rubio’s vision.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 PM

lol. To my surprise, Paul Ryan generated zero enthusiasm in 2012 and, as has been said, couldn’t even deliver his own state. Not exactly presidential material but I guess the Harpies think he’s the next hunk now that Mitt as as dead as Lincoln.

bw222 on December 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Ummm.. try reading. It is good for you. I’ve bolded the name in black who I was talking about. While having Ryan pay tribute to his father would be great and I am sure that that would happen, I’m talking about Rubio speaking about how his father worked as a bartender so that he could be here today… “My father worked at the back of the bar, so that I could become President of the U.S.”.. Seriously, that doesn’t reaffirm your belief in America. I have issues with Rubio as a candidate, but that is really his main appeal.

I do think that Ryan is more substantive than Rubio. Also, maybe it is just as a fellow dork, but I find Ryan more compelling than Rubio. I just enjoy the authenticity of Ryan speaking. And it is adorable when he displays actual human emotions unlike most politicians.

As for Sarah Palin, she actively hurt the McCain campaign. She wasn’t ready for primetime and it was a cynical ploy to put her on the ticket. I don’t think that Rubio is ready for primetime and I think that is why Romney ultimately said “no” to him. Palin would have been better served by a big time speaking role at the RNC and some whispers that she would have helped the McCain campaign like Rubio is getting now. The best thing for Palin to do would have been to remain as governor and chart a policy course. This would have helped her with her weakness. Both Ryan and Rubio are working on their weaknesses – Ryan (vision) and Rubio (specifics).

Of course, you are a progressive, so anything that helps Obama out is to your benefit.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 8:21 PM

No I’m not..I just live in Realville..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Dire Straits is alright. We are all in different places on this road of acceptance of what is coming to pass in our world. I’ve been preaching the “we’re so screwed” gospel for years, before most of you jumped on the bandwagon. I can remember when you thought Ron Paul was going to save us all. Anyway, it’s good to come in here and refine your arguments against real opponents but don’t forget who is really on your side.

Gosh.. No reforms except the extreme libertarian ones are going to change Medicare for the elderly. It is unfair to pull the rug out from under a 70 year old granny and demand that she start paying more for her healthcare. Granny is probably on a fixed income and it is unfair to spring that on her. What is fair is to expect someone my age to accept Medicare changes.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Then you had better get busy fixing things, because if you don’t then it’s all going to collapse and granny won’t even have her fixed income anymore.

Ryan doesnt have a chance in hell. House members dont win nor should they

Flapjackmaka on December 5, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Why not? What is different between a Senator and a House member? Ryan is an intriguing character because he has taken such a unique path to the top. He found a way to make entitlement reform, aka the third rail of politics popular and a reason for his elevation. Rubio isn’t the be all and end all of everything although it wouldn’t shock me if he became president. And Palin definitely isn’t.