Videos: Rubio, Ryan lay out vision for future of GOP

posted at 1:51 pm on December 5, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Two of the rising stars in the Republican Party combined last night to deliver a vision of the future for the GOP, and to stake their claims as leaders who can deliver it.  Paul Ryan introduced Marco Rubio at the Jack Kemp Leadership Award Dinner in Washington DC, and both men stressed the need to find ways to make conservative policies as well as principles relevant to all voters — just as Jack Kemp himself attempted to do.  CNN reported on the remarks this morning:

The Daily Caller’s Alexis Levinson reported on both speeches, and noted that Rubio got specific as well as philosophical in his approach to middle- and working class voters:

The Florida senator identified two specific problems that he said need solving: The “American economy is not creating enough jobs,” and Americans do not have the skills necessary to do many of the jobs that are available.

In the immediate future, Rubio said, Congress and the White House need to reach an agreement to avert the fiscal cliff that includes a plan to pay down the national debt, reform entitlements like Medicare, simplify the tax code and avoid raising tax rates.

High tax rates, Rubio said, would only hurt small businesses and the middle class. 

To spur economic growth, Rubio proposed decreasing “excessive regulation,” increasing domestic energy production and introducing a “predictable monetary policy.”

Rubio proposed a health care system with a Flexible Savings Account in the mold of Congress’s health plan, which “allows families to save tax free money to pay for medical bills.”

The government, Rubio said, should “expand the number of community health centers, as well as work with hospitals to find the best way to integrate them with their emergency rooms to try and get non-life threatening walk-ins to seek treatment there.”

To ensure that Americans are adequately prepared to enter the workforce, Rubio proposed “state level curriculum reform and new investment in continuing teacher training” to improve elementary and secondary schools, school choice as a means of getting kids out of failing public schools and expanded technical and vocational education.

I’ve written about the need to get specific as part of a more energetic outreach to working-class voters.  These are excellent entrées to that effort.  Matched with permanent organizational efforts in the cities that focus on issues to which those voters can relate, this can be a powerful direction for Republicans over the next several years.

Ryan called for a change of thinking in the GOP about how to approach policy as well as voters:

“Both parties tend to divide Americans into ‘our voters’ and ‘their voters,’” Ryan said. “But Republicans must steer far clear of that trap. We must speak to the aspirations and anxieties of every American.”

“I believe we can turn the engines of upward mobility back on, so that no one is left out from the promise of America,” he said.

Ryan said welfare reform in the 1990s reduced dependency and helped people “shape their own destiny.”

The problem now, Ryan said, is that instead of applying a similar model, “we’re still trying to measure compassion by how much we spend – not by how many people we help.”

That model is evidently not working, Ryan said, because “today, 46 million people are living in poverty.”

“We need a vision for bringing opportunity into every life – one that promotes strong families, secure livelihoods, and an equal chance for every American to fulfill their highest aspirations for themselves and their children.” …

The GOP, Ryan said, needs to work on better articulating its ideology.

“We have a compassionate vision based on ideas that work,” he said, “but sometimes we don’t do a good job of laying out that vision. We need to do better.”

Politico’s James Hohmann also noticed the level of detail in Rubio’s speech:

He sought instead to position himself as a substantive, detail-oriented senator, using the phrase “middle class” 34 times in a 30-minute speech packed with a laundry list of ideas to create jobs and opportunity. [Read the full text of Rubio’s speech.]

“Big government has never been able to create and sustain a vibrant and stable middle class,” he said.

Ryan focused on the very poor, used the word “poverty” 15 times in his own 20-minute speech. Rubio used it only once. [Read the full text of Ryan’s speech.]

“When Lyndon Johnson launched the War on Poverty in 1964, he predicted we would eliminate poverty in 35 to 50 years. Here we are, 48 years later, and poverty is winning,” the congressman said.

Hugh Hewitt points out the Catholic connection — and the Catholic approach from both men:

In addition to immigration reform, this Catholic log jam also suggests an emphasis on religious liberty, and not just in the U.S. but abroad and especially in places like Egypt where the emerging Islamist domination calls for the U.S. to insist on the protection of religious minorities as a condition of aid.

Mitt Romney did not win the Catholic vote in November, a consequence of the loss of three out of every four Latino Catholic votes.

Review Marco Rubio’s “fact sheet” for his speech last night. (Very wise to make this available online, btw.  Good practice pointer for future conservative speech makers.)  This is not a “social gospel” per se, but it is close to being a legislative expression of the theological values embedded in much of Catholic social teaching.

The Democrats have become fully and completely the party of big and very secular government, the GOP the party of individuals and religious faith, protected from that state.  The good news is that the GOP as the young superstars.  The bad news is the Demcorats have the purse strings.

The two men have gotten off to a good start.  Let’s see if the rest of the GOP can follow.

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Wow.. Ryan and Rubio are RINOs. Mmmkay. Seriously, the guy demanding major reforms to Medicare and the guy how beat Charlie Crist are RINOs. So glad the Paulians are out now.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 8:07 PM

The Ryan Roadmap to 2 full generations of deficits is totally a conservative plan. It even does something no other conservative ever thought to do, FRONTLOAD the cost of the change to increase the deficit faster than it is already going up, and then promising that the savings will happen sometime far off into the future.

What is his reform? Changing medicare from the government directly pays the doctors for services rendered to the government directly hands money to the older people so they can buy insurance. NO WAY IN THE WORLD THOSE OLD PEOPLE WOULD EVER VOTE FOR HIGHER DIRECT PAYMENTS TO THEMSELVES, never happen.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM

i don’t want to hear about her brother, or her dad, or bristol. no more book tours, bus trips.

Sarah will know when its time. if not 2016 then 2020. our day will come.

renalin on December 5, 2012 at 8:10 PM

That’s not going change, maybe you don’t get it…

“Politics is down stream of popular culture…”

- Breitbart

idesign on December 5, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Wow.. Ryan and Rubio are RINOs. Mmmkay. Seriously, the guy demanding major reforms to Medicare and the guy how beat Charlie Crist are RINOs. So glad the Paulians are out now.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 8:07 PM

you may have forgotten, so let me remind you. “the guy demanding major reforms to medicare” ran on the same ticket as the architect of obamacare. ergo, ryan agree with depleting medicare to benefit “romneycare”.

we really shouldn’t be in the same party. you have absolutely no idea what i’m talking about do you?

renalin on December 5, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Wow.. Ryan and Rubio are RINOs. Mmmkay. Seriously, the guy demanding major reforms to Medicare and the guy how beat Charlie Crist are RINOs. So glad the Paulians are out now.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Oh, they’re establishment GOP through and through (RINO doesn’t mean what you think it means anymore).

Ryan has no desire to reform Medicare and hasn’t put any serious proposals for it at all. It’s a smokescreen. He voted for Medicare Part D, which was the largest entitlment expansion in history. Ryan voted for TARP and the auto bailouts. He voted for raising the debt ceiling.

Rubio is a neo-con who has consistently come out against the first amendment, sponsoring and/or supporting legislation to restrict speech at every turn.

Wake up.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 8:17 PM

GTFO Ryan. You had your chance. You couldnt give us Wisconsin. Rubio can at least peel latinos off and gets florida

Flapjackmaka on December 5, 2012 at 8:17 PM

idesign on December 5, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Plus Boehner is the Speaker (right behind the VP)..It is his power..Did you have a problem with it when Pelosi was picking committee members while they were in the majority ..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 8:19 PM

He could have just as well set his power base with the most conservative members as having done it with the most progressive.

Of course, you are a progressive, so anything that helps Obama out is to your benefit.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Buy Danish on December 5, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Rep. Ryan was chosen because he is young and it was hoped he would give Gov. Romney some conservative credibility. That doesn’t mean he is a disciple of Gov. Romney.

Cindy Munford on December 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM

idesign on December 5, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Pretty simple..Boehner did something within his power..Plus as Capt. Ed pointed out you cannot have a “renenage” that you cannot count on if you are in a compromise position (Dems have Senate and White House) with them..The Dems will not trust you..That is “shortened” but pretty close..:)

PS..You didn’t watch the show or listen..But we know that..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Yea, that seems to be working out just fine..:)

ONLY 16 MEMBERS CAN UNSEAT BOEHNER, GROUP SAYS

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/05/Only-16-conservatives-necessary-to-unseat-Boehner-as-Speaker-group-says

idesign on December 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Gosh.. No reforms except the extreme libertarian ones are going to change Medicare for the elderly. It is unfair to pull the rug out from under a 70 year old granny and demand that she start paying more for her healthcare. Granny is probably on a fixed income and it is unfair to spring that on her. What is fair is to expect someone my age to accept Medicare changes.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 8:07 PM

You and “Fishface” sure have one-track minds. Ah, the stench of envy.

bw222 on December 5, 2012 at 8:24 PM

idesign on December 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Then have at it..Good luck..whatever..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Buy Danish on December 5, 2012 at 7:56 PMrenalin on December 5, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Rep. Ryan was chosen because he is young and it was hoped he would give Gov. Romney some conservative credibility. That doesn’t mean he is a disciple of Gov. Romney.

Cindy Munford on December 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Cindy Munford on December 5, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Of course, you are a progressive, so anything that helps Obama out is to your benefit.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 8:21 PM

No I’m not..I just live in Realville..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Rubio is a neo-con who has consistently come out against the first amendment, sponsoring and/or supporting legislation to restrict speech at every turn.

Wake up.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Rebio’s biggest problem is amnesty. Forbes recently had an article on “Death Spiral states.” California was second worst behind New Mexico. California spends $10 billion annually on entitlements for illegal aliens. With 38 million residents, that amounts to $271 for every man, woman and child or over $1,100 for a family of four. If you think $16 trillion is bad, wait until legalization, when 12 – 25 million people are entitled to more entitlements.

bw222 on December 5, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Gosh.. No reforms except the extreme libertarian ones are going to change Medicare for the elderly. It is unfair to pull the rug out from under a 70 year old granny and demand that she start paying more for her healthcare. Granny is probably on a fixed income and it is unfair to spring that on her. What is fair is to expect someone my age to accept Medicare changes.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 8:23 PM

It’s unfair that my money is seized to pay for someone else’s healthcare in the first place. Get your head straight.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 8:34 PM

These two are not strong enough to turn this thing around. Maybe no
one can. We have to come to grips with the intelligence of the american people and how to appeal to that. Do we want to sell out to that degree. I’m tellin ya that when guys go to boys town they’re not looking for romance. That’s our choice. Either pack up and go home or become a whore.

rik on December 5, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Ryan doesnt have a chance in hell. House members dont win nor should they

Flapjackmaka on December 5, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Hey Sparky, Palin’s still standing, Romney not so much..:)

idesign on December 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

When Romney told the truth about Obama buying gifts to various demographic groups, he became an outcast to Establishment Republicans.

As a conservative, I didn’t like Romney, but I voted for him and even sent a small contribution. While I don’t think he ran a poor campaign (especially for someone who had been planning a run for six years), I think he is a moral man. After the election, I probably respect him more than most RINOs.

You are right though. Palin still has a following; Romney doesn’t. Even most of the Mittlers have turned on him.

bw222 on December 5, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Paul Ryan is more intelligent than the average person and far more intelligent than the huge swelling of people who voted for Obama and are fascinated with that sort of entertainment.

Ryan would make an excellent President but I do think he is talking over the heads of many voters — not by his bungling but because many voters today are so low-information, below-average thinkers.

In Obama’s case, he appeals to that low-information, below-average thinker voter because he flirts, does his dances, croons his lub songs and makes profoundly-sounding big promises and “vows” that somehow are never supportable or supported by reality or his own efforts afterward (it doesn’t matter with Obama, his point being made that he’s romanced the low-information voters, the results don’t seem to be his or their point, just the romance of the big-moment promising).

As to Rubio, I realize he’s a popular guy but I’m finding his continued focus, as in a jab at voters’ perceptions on the Right, as to those “office cleaning laborers…etc.” to be offensive. He says “the people who clean the offices…are the future…” or something like that as if we all need to reprimanded or have our fingers hit with his ruler, and, as if we should all somehow now aspire to go clean offices.

If those “who clean offices” or thereabouts, do the yardwork, etc. are being martyrd by these grubby jobs, why aren’t they aspiring to do more? Isn’t the point of all this “immigration” to come here AND NOT “clean offices” but do more significant things?

Not that there’s anything wrong with cleaning offices — I like a clean office (and residence, this isn’t the point, though) — but that haven’t we all heard this tiresome “they’re martyrs because they’re cleaning your office and doing your yard work and washing your clothes and…”

I mean, haven’t we heard enough of that? Get more education, training, and get a better job. That’s what Rubio ought’a be saying.

Lourdes on December 5, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Congratulations on being Number One HotAir

Cindy Munford on December 5, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Two of the rising stars in the Republican Party

Great.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 5, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Ed, if the GOP put up Obama to run in 2016 you would carry the water for him.

air_up_there on December 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM

When the GOP says “Jump,” Ed’s first thoought is – at his age – can he get up high enough to satisfy them. Ed is not a conservative, never has been one and never will be one.

bw222 on December 5, 2012 at 8:55 PM

It’s unfair that my money is seized to pay for someone else’s healthcare in the first place. Get your head straight.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 8:34 PM

“Fair” is a word best used by adolescents. I’d argue it is immoral and/or unjust that your money is seized to pay for someone else’s stuff or services.

tom daschle concerned on December 5, 2012 at 8:55 PM

When the hell is paul ryan a rising star? He just lost an election

Flapjackmaka on December 5, 2012 at 9:04 PM

“Fair” is a word best used by adolescents. I’d argue it is immoral and/or unjust that your money is seized to pay for someone else’s stuff or services.

tom daschle concerned on December 5, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You should probably read the post I quoted before jumping in. Of course it’s immoral; all of government is immoral, because it is force and coercion.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Lourdes on December 5, 2012 at 8:45 PM

You forgot the /scarc tag, because surely your writing of Ryan isn’t serious.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry is dead.

S.O.G. One zero Special Forces Sgt. Jerry Michael Shriver is MIA from the Vietnam War still.

But for the grace of God go any one of U.S..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 5, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Rubio and Ryan would probably melt into the perfect candidate. It is intriguing that they both flipped speeches. Ryan gave a big picture speech and Rubio gave a policy detail speech. Ryan is a very micro-budget based guy. It’s such a bold vision that he has gotten attention, but he needs to play bigger. Rubio has the vision thing down, but needs some specifics.

Lourdes. I’m not sure your concern about Rubio’s appeal to people at the lower end of the spectrum. Rubio does have serious working class appeal. Seeing him pay tribute to his dad on the steps of the Capitol on January 20, 2017 would be quite good. My issue is that there are no details behind Rubio’s vision.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 PM

renalin on December 5, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Proving that you weren’t thinking harder.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2012 at 9:19 PM

You don’t need a title to make a difference….

idesign on December 5, 2012 at 7:25 PM

The world is not flat either.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2012 at 9:20 PM

When the hell is paul ryan a rising star? He just lost an election

Flapjackmaka on December 5, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Because bloggers, the GOP, the DNC surrogates and Republican voters who think “presidential looking” guys win elections all say he is…that’s why! Got it?!

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 5, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 PM

They certainly have you fooled, but take solace that you aren’t the only one roped in.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 9:22 PM

No I’m not..I just live in Realville..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 8:30 PM

The one where immoral and nonreligious people vote for fiscally sane government?
Realville, where the laws of nature have no credibility.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Ah yes, Marco Roooooooooobio, Jeb Bush’s corruptocrat lap dog. Speaks like Reagan but sold out to the Bush mafia.

Shame Marco. Your Daddy didn’t come here for you to get in bed with the corruptocrats.

Yo’re full of it. We aren’t buying what you are selling.

This Floridian will never vote for you again.

Go ahead. Call us all P.U.R.I.S.T.S. the new name for conservatives who can handicap the corrupt gopE BS.

Jayrae on December 5, 2012 at 9:24 PM

The four of Bengazie are there, still, in the grave knowing we are still here, they know what we should do, will we?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 5, 2012 at 9:26 PM

They certainly have you fooled, but take solace that you aren’t the only one roped in.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 9:22 PM

We live in the real world where we can review outcomes and consequences.

In this real world, large groups of people without government have massive infighting and are ripe for the picking for other large groups of people who do have governments.

Every last group of humans has had a government. Whether it was a tribal chief system or a tyrant with a massive army to back them up or a republic with citizen voting.

By the way, nothing stops you from leaving this government. We have no wall keeping you inside. Just pack up and leave and find your government free utopia!

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:27 PM

The world is not flat either.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Very good comment..Well played!!..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:24 PM

You are wrong..You are a kook!!..Keep posting to prove the theory..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:31 PM

You are right to some extent. However, it’s really disheartening when all the “talking heads” (Insanity, Limbaugh, etc., etc.) just accept the libs the GOP puts up.

air_up_there on December 5, 2012 at 5:29 PM

The days of intellectually honest conservative analysis (Buckley) are long gone. The current system is based on cheerleaders (FNC, NRO, Rush, Levin, Ed included). Rush flat out says that his primary role is to be a GOP water carrier.

I find Ed & hotair do to be a very useful service, because he does the best job by far of distributing up-to-date GOP establishment talking points. For example, in early 2012, there was some kind of meeting of conservatives where the GOP decided that they would no longer oppose gay marriage. Hotair described this very well early on through the CPAC/GOProud kerfuffle. During the Nov. 2012 elections GOP didn’t campaign against gay marriage, and ballot measures passed for the first time in history. Now, Ed is telling us that amnesty is an establisment GOP position. Expect amnesty within the next year.

sauldalinsky on December 5, 2012 at 9:34 PM

This is how it starts folks. Squishes keep making excuses for Republicans, then after 4 years we get typical politicians trying to finesse their way around the media, through special interests while flirting with political correctness. This is why we keep getting weak leadership. We keep making excuses.

Oh, and I see no one took me up on my question about how long Ryan and Rubio plan on keeping their seats. That’s what I thought.

Dongemaharu on December 5, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Oh, and I see no one took me up on my question about how long Ryan and Rubio plan on keeping their seats. That’s what I thought.

Dongemaharu on December 5, 2012 at 9:35 PM

That is a question that no one can answer..Do you know?..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM

You are wrong..You are a kook!!..Keep posting to prove the theory..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Totally substantive.
Hey, didn’t you argue that Romney was going to win big? That he was conservative? That he actually has a conservative record in Massachusetts which has never been discovered? That Ryan would deliver his state?
Now, how is realville handling this turn of events? By doing the same thing that has never worked before!

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM

So, why couldn’t the GOP have found someone who is a pathological liar who would have gone out there and said that Obama/Democrats didn’t do enough stimulus and that if elected he would triple what Obama did with a new stimulus package, tax the hell out of the rich, would have a plan guaranteeing 100% free healthcare for all starting January, 2013 and double all government handouts?

Then when he was elected, he could simply have done just the opposite and turned out to actually be a Conservative TEA Party type.

Hey, this BS of playing the reasonable moderate only during campaigns has worked for the Dems in the form of Slick Willy and Barry, why not us?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 5, 2012 at 9:39 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Yes I thought Romney would win..Yes I voted for him..Who did you vote for??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Rush flat out says that his primary role is to be a GOP water carrier.
sauldalinsky on December 5, 2012 at 9:34 PM

This is not true.

tom daschle concerned on December 5, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Yes I thought Romney would win..Yes I voted for him..Who did you vote for??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I voted against Obama.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:45 PM

All of you who brought Obama, twice, go to Hades.

I hope your families and you get totally destroyed by him.

Those of you who want to post for 4 years how great SP is, go right ahead. HA loves the business.

As I told you last time, she ain’t running, except in jogging shoes. She has her reasons.

You can all find a new lover now.

Dire, these two dudes, who look/act nice, aren’t worth your effort either.

God gave us brains to multi-task.

Other than that, enjoy the beer.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2012 at 9:46 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Also..What great claim do you have for Romney losing..Do we need to join the “losers”?..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I voted against Obama.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Johnson or Romney??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Dire, these two dudes, who look/act nice, aren’t worth your effort either.

God gave us brains to multi-task.

Other than that, enjoy the beer.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2012 at 9:46 PM

You make a good point Jedi!!..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Johnson or Romney??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Oval next to Romney.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:50 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Romney or Johnson??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:51 PM

In the meanwhile, while the kindergarten on both sides of the isle continues, the ME is about to go very, very hot.

That’ll hopefully shake a few into perspective.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2012 at 9:52 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Romney or Johnson??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:51 PM

There is a reason for that..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Also..What great claim do you have for Romney losing..Do we need to join the “losers”?..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:46 PM

No, my claim is not to join the losers. The losers are progressive (R) presidential candidates. I have nothing against Ryan or Rubio where they are now. I just certainly do not want to repeat the mistakes of the past. Rubio can still prove himself, he is a newbie. Ryan on the other hand is a known quantity, just like Romney was. His words and deeds do not match. Engaged conservatives are going to know this. They are not going to be enthusiastic in supporting him. They will vote against the Democrat, like I did, but they will not turn out all their friends for a loser progressive.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:53 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Rubio and Ryan are not progressives..:)

PS..You didn’t answer the question I asked?..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:57 PM

None of these new stars have the ability to articulate Conservatism properly. Not Rubio, not Jindal, not Ryan, not West, Gingrich comes close, but no one does it like Sarah.

BetseyRoss on December 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM

How about instead of articulating conservatism, you actually execute it with positive results. We have 30+ republican governors. There are more people living under republican governors than democrat. Sarah could have been one. Instead, I think she has a fitness book coming out.

monalisa on December 5, 2012 at 9:59 PM

You are right though. Palin still has a following; Romney doesn’t. Even most of the Mittlers have turned on him.

bw222 on December 5, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Well, most of them are just Red Team rah rah types who are waiting for their cue as to which of the GOPe poster boys they’re going to be pimping as the next lead-pipe cinch. Looks like the early money’s going on Rubio or Ryan as the bestet, most electablest EVAH. The only thing certain seems to be that Sarah’s a poo-poo head and will never ever ever run for anything as long as she lives because she’s only in it for the money and she’s unelectable and her fans are deranged and blahblahblah. It’s sort of like 2009 again without His Electableness Mitt waiting in the wings.

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I did, you even quoted the time stamp.

Ryan IS a progressive. Rubio sounds like one and likely will prove to be as such. I am willing to wait a decade or so before looking at him seriously before falling for an act that can be run for a few years…

You cannot vote for TARP, medicare part D, no child left behind, argue for comprehensive immigration reform, auto bailouts and be a conservative. Republican yes, conservative NO. The only other choice then is progressive. Anything to the left of conservative accomplishes the end goals of the progressives.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 10:04 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Are you sure??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM

We have 30+ republican governors. There are more people living under republican governors than democrat. Sarah could have been one. Instead, I think she has a fitness book coming out.

monalisa on December 5, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Sure, but none of those 30+ have her charisma and following and appeal with the possible exception of Scott Walker, whom I would love to see run. Fitness books and reality TV notwithstanding. But wait…the people want bland competence, not rock-star charisma!!! Yeah, baby! That strategy worked so well last time, didn’t it? I mean, we had hyper-competent Mitt who wouldn’t ever stoop to pop culture dreck.

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Hey Sparky, Palin’s still standing, Romney not so much..:)

idesign on December 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Thanks for the scoop. Mitt took off his Mittens to fight in the Primary against conservatives but then put his Mitttens back on against Obama. So did his cult-like Romulan/Ronulan followers.

The Death Star failed.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Johnson or Romney??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Oval next to Romney.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:50 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Romney or Johnson??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:51 PM

There is a reason for that..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:52 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 10:08 PM

That is a question that no one can answer..Do you know?..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Just the answer I expected. “Hey, who can know, right?” This is why things never change. Paul Ryan is serving his 7th term. He was elected in 1998. Do I have to spell this out for you? Good Lord. Marco Rubio is a career politician and has given no indication of term limiting himself in the senate(That I know of. If anyone has info on this please post it). I mean, yeah, maybe someday, 20 or 30 years later they can leave Washington and go back to their…. go back to… oh.

Dongemaharu on December 5, 2012 at 10:09 PM

You are right though. Palin still has a following; Romney doesn’t. Even most of the Mittlers have turned on him.

bw222 on December 5, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Mittlers? Haha that’s funny. Sounds like the would march with the Mitler Youth.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I think Romney has a fitness book coming out.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Ryan on the other hand is a known quantity, just like Romney was. His words and deeds do not match. Engaged conservatives are going to know this. They are not going to be enthusiastic in supporting him.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 9:53 PM

But wait! I hear all the time, “I didn’t vote for Romney, I voted for Ryan!!!!”

Well, no, actually I don’t hear that…

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Yes I thought Romney would win..

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM

In that case I don’t think you should be calling anyone a kook…. :)

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I think Romney has a fitness book coming out.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Nah, Romney will end up on some blue-ribbon panel Obama throws together in order to lend his expertise in making ObamaCare work better, goshdarnit.

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

In that case I don’t think you should be calling anyone a kook…. :)

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Who did you vote for “kook”?..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:31 PM

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Since you voted for Romney..Then the scenery is the same?..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM

What is the difference..Romney and McCain both lost..:(

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM

In that case I don’t think you should be calling anyone a kook…. :)

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Who did you vote for “kook”?..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:31 PM

I voted for Romney while holding my nose. What are you, the Mittler Youth Credential Checker? :) Kook. “Who’d you vote for??? Who’d you vote for, huh? huh? HUH?” All the while whining about “purists”.

By the way, Michigan’s in play, I hear… :)

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

So has the scenery changed??..What is your point??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM

What is the difference..Romney and McCain both lost..:(

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Big difference. McCain lost to the unknown, no-record Chicago Jesus. Hyper-electable Mitt lost to the worstest, most beatablest president evah.

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

By the way, Michigan’s in play, I hear… :)

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Well Romney did not pull out of Michigan..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:54 PM

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

LoLz..Yes those incumbents are so easy to beat..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:56 PM

So has the scenery changed??..What is your point??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

What’s yours? Just waiting to see which way that Red Team wind is blowing so you can get with the herd?

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

I will give you one marker..Obie is the worst POTUS ever..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Well Romney did not pull out of Michigan..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Maybe that crack team of his thought they were in North Carolina.

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

LoLz..Yes those incumbents are so easy to beat..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Oh, you ‘bots said this particular incumbent was most beatable, particularly with someone as hunkydory as Electable Mitt. Why, even Ham Sandwich could get the job done as long as Ham Sandwich wasn’t polarizing and divisive and had good poll numbers. And now it was just…too hard to do…boo hoo…

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I just don’t see the need to come beat up on folks at a conservative site to try to win points..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 11:07 PM

ddrintn on December 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

You voted for “ham sandwich” also??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I will give you one marker..Obie is the worst POTUS ever..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Lincoln, and it’s not even close.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Lincoln, and it’s not even close.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Disagree..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Lourdes. I’m not sure your concern about Rubio’s appeal to people at the lower end of the spectrum. Rubio does have serious working class appeal. Seeing him pay tribute to his dad on the steps of the Capitol on January 20, 2017 would be quite good. My issue is that there are no details behind Rubio’s vision.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 PM

lol. To my surprise, Paul Ryan generated zero enthusiasm in 2012 and, as has been said, couldn’t even deliver his own state. Not exactly presidential material but I guess the Harpies think he’s the next hunk now that Mitt as as dead as Lincoln.

bw222 on December 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Ryan doesnt have a chance in hell. House members dont win nor should they

Flapjackmaka on December 5, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Why not? What is different between a Senator and a House member? Ryan is an intriguing character because he has taken such a unique path to the top. He found a way to make entitlement reform, aka the third rail of politics popular and a reason for his elevation. Rubio isn’t the be all and end all of everything although it wouldn’t shock me if he became president. And Palin definitely isn’t.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Gosh.. No reforms except the extreme libertarian ones are going to change Medicare for the elderly. It is unfair to pull the rug out from under a 70 year old granny and demand that she start paying more for her healthcare. Granny is probably on a fixed income and it is unfair to spring that on her. What is fair is to expect someone my age to accept Medicare changes.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Then you had better get busy fixing things, because if you don’t then it’s all going to collapse and granny won’t even have her fixed income anymore.

DFCtomm on December 5, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Of course, you are a progressive, so anything that helps Obama out is to your benefit.

astonerii on December 5, 2012 at 8:21 PM

No I’m not..I just live in Realville..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Dire Straits is alright. We are all in different places on this road of acceptance of what is coming to pass in our world. I’ve been preaching the “we’re so screwed” gospel for years, before most of you jumped on the bandwagon. I can remember when you thought Ron Paul was going to save us all. Anyway, it’s good to come in here and refine your arguments against real opponents but don’t forget who is really on your side.

DFCtomm on December 6, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Lourdes. I’m not sure your concern about Rubio’s appeal to people at the lower end of the spectrum. Rubio does have serious working class appeal. Seeing him pay tribute to his dad on the steps of the Capitol on January 20, 2017 would be quite good. My issue is that there are no details behind Rubio’s vision.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 PM

lol. To my surprise, Paul Ryan generated zero enthusiasm in 2012 and, as has been said, couldn’t even deliver his own state. Not exactly presidential material but I guess the Harpies think he’s the next hunk now that Mitt as as dead as Lincoln.

bw222 on December 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Ummm.. try reading. It is good for you. I’ve bolded the name in black who I was talking about. While having Ryan pay tribute to his father would be great and I am sure that that would happen, I’m talking about Rubio speaking about how his father worked as a bartender so that he could be here today… “My father worked at the back of the bar, so that I could become President of the U.S.”.. Seriously, that doesn’t reaffirm your belief in America. I have issues with Rubio as a candidate, but that is really his main appeal.

I do think that Ryan is more substantive than Rubio. Also, maybe it is just as a fellow dork, but I find Ryan more compelling than Rubio. I just enjoy the authenticity of Ryan speaking. And it is adorable when he displays actual human emotions unlike most politicians.

As for Sarah Palin, she actively hurt the McCain campaign. She wasn’t ready for primetime and it was a cynical ploy to put her on the ticket. I don’t think that Rubio is ready for primetime and I think that is why Romney ultimately said “no” to him. Palin would have been better served by a big time speaking role at the RNC and some whispers that she would have helped the McCain campaign like Rubio is getting now. The best thing for Palin to do would have been to remain as governor and chart a policy course. This would have helped her with her weakness. Both Ryan and Rubio are working on their weaknesses – Ryan (vision) and Rubio (specifics).

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Then you had better get busy fixing things, because if you don’t then it’s all going to collapse and granny won’t even have her fixed income anymore.

DFCtomm on December 5, 2012 at 11:58 PM

That’s why I support Paul Ryan and his plan to fix Medicare.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 12:24 AM

That’s why I support Paul Ryan and his plan to fix Medicare.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 12:24 AM

You do realize his plan was completely inadequate and relied upon an unrealistic rate of growth and a few other tricks don’t you? It however, was a foot in the door, so I would have taken it.

DFCtomm on December 6, 2012 at 12:43 AM

I will give you one marker..Obie is the worst POTUS ever..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

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Lincoln, and it’s not even close.

Dante on December 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

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( face-palm )

The Paulnut strikes again.

listens2glenn on December 6, 2012 at 2:37 AM

I’m wondering if Boehner’s purge of conservatives is part of the talks deal. Obama demanded it behind closed doors and Boehner fell in line.

Would not surprise me at all. Since we have no idea what they’ve talked about behind closed doors.

JellyToast on December 6, 2012 at 6:38 AM

No.. Any fiscal cliff deal will need to get through the Budget Committee and Boehner needs all hands on deck that is why the reorgs happened. Also, Ryan will obviously want his 2014 budget passed out of committee and the House.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 7:24 AM

the GOP is dead…neither ryan nor rubio can raise it(Palin is it’s only hope)

Pragmatic on December 6, 2012 at 7:52 AM

The GOP has no future as the standard bearing party for movement conservatism. None. Sarah Palin didn’t run in 2012, and it’s in her best interest not to run for national office ever again, leastwise not under the Republican banner.

Rubio and Ryan are Republicans and always will be. It makes sense for them to want to save their own behinds. Self-professing “conservatives” should be smarter than that.

gryphon202 on December 6, 2012 at 8:37 AM

As for Sarah Palin, she actively hurt the McCain campaign.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Prove it. And while you’re at it, prove that Ryan did anything more than zero for Romney. As for Rubio, I can’t think of anythning the guy’s done that would make people want to vote for him, other than giving a speech here and there. Oh, and being a Latino. List some of his accomplishments in any elected office.

I just don’t see the need to come beat up on folks at a conservative site to try to win points..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 11:07 PM

LOL, a “conservative site” at which conservatives were regularly beaten up jut for not swallowing the latest Red Team squish Kool-aid.

This is no conservative site anymore. It’s GOPe Talking Points Central.

ddrintn on December 6, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Palin couldn’t even give a coherent interview, which actively hurt the McCain campaign. The Romney campaign could have Ryan do interviews without fearing that he’d slip up on a question like what newspapers do you read. Ryan made less gaffes than Romney during the campaign and the ones he made were relatively minor. As for what Ryan actually did for Romney.. he kept the conservative intelligensia and donors from jumping ship in Sept., especially after the 47% comment, and he made Romney a better candidate.

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Illinidiva on December 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM

ryan lied about his running time. how low can a man get.

renalin on December 6, 2012 at 10:25 AM

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