Video: Outrage over NY Post pic depicting subway victim

posted at 8:51 am on December 5, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The picture has become iconic in just a short period of time — but of what? Did the New York Post’s front page this week depict man confronting inevitable death, or soulless media exploiting personal tragedy for sales? CNN gives a somewhat one-sided look at the controversy over the image of the final seconds of Ki-Suck Han’s life and the debate that raged over the last 24 hours:

The one-sided nature of the report comes at least in part because neither the NY Post nor the photographer chose to talk to CNN. The latter demanded payment from CNN as a condition of his appearance, which would have raised other ethical questions, and certainly could have influenced the tenor of the report. The Post’s editorial decision didn’t get unanimously panned, but didn’t get a lot of support, either:

“Even if you accept that that photographer and other bystanders did everything they could to try to save the man, it’s a separate question of what the Post should have done with that photo,” Jeff Sonderman, a fellow at journalism think tank the Poynter Institute, wrote on the organization’s website. “All journalists we’ve seen talking about it online concluded the Post was wrong to use the photo, especially on its front page.”

Kenny Irby, Poynter’s senior faculty member for visual journalism and diversity programs, said what the paper did wasn’t necessarily wrong.

“It was not illegal or unethical given that ethical guidelines and recommendations are not absolute,” he said in an e-mail. But he also thought the Post could have used another photo because this one crossed the line of dignity.

“This moment was such for me — it was too private in my view,” he wrote. “I am all for maximizing truth telling, while minimizing harm, which can be done by fully vetting the alternatives available and publishing with a sense of compassion and respect.”

There are two questions on ethics here. First, should the photographer have snapped the picture rather than rushing to the man’s aid, assuming of course that he was close enough to have been able to do so? Second, should the Post have held this picture for the inside of the paper or perhaps not run it at all? I’m not certain we can know enough about the circumstances of the first question to get a good read on it, but the second question is a little more straightforward. Let’s take a poll:

Here’s another question, though: would the police have found the alleged perpetrator so quickly had the Post not created the firestorm of controversy by running the picture of Han’s last moments on the front page?

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

“While we’re tut-tutting NY Post for running a photo of a man about to be killed, take a long look at the photo of the man about to be killed. We’ll zoom in on it for you.”

This is CNN.

forest on December 5, 2012 at 8:57 AM

For the same reasons executions are not televised, this photo should never have been run.

Mitoch55 on December 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM

The picture has become iconic in just a short period of time

Iconic of what exactly? I think you are mis-using the term.

More importantly, why the hell didn’t the photographer and other bystanders detain the guy that “allegedly” pushed Ki-Suck Han to his death? Or would he have demanded payment for that too?

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Horrific.

This makes us ask, isn’t it time to talk about subway train control? Without subway trains….

Noncentsical on December 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Bread and Circuses

vityas on December 5, 2012 at 9:01 AM

For the same reasons executions are not televised, this photo should never have been run.

Mitoch55 on December 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Remember the outrage on 9/12/01 that papers were publishing pictures of people jumping to their deaths from the WTC? This photo is like that.

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:03 AM

The story is all that matters.

OldEnglish on December 5, 2012 at 9:03 AM

No, the main question is why hasn’t the perp who did this been arrested yet?

The real outrage is that this Black Male Thug murdered an innocent man, but the Liberal Media goes after a conservative newspaper.

sentinelrules on December 5, 2012 at 9:05 AM

My stomach turned when I read this story yesterday. Absolutely horrible.

But I have no problem with the Post running that photo on their front page. The focus, instead, should be on the low-life cretin that pushed this poor man into the path of the train, why no one rushed to pull him up, why the photographer was snapping pics instead of helping. There’s no one near the guy as he’s struggling to pull himself up…why?

Just an awful story. He and his family are in my thoughts and prayers.

changer1701 on December 5, 2012 at 9:06 AM

I don’t blame the photographer…

…I blame the camera phone!

Religious_Zealot on December 5, 2012 at 9:07 AM

People love titillation, and to feel just a bit naughty.
.
This picture fulfills our morbid curiosities and allows us just a little bit of self flagellation and bragging rights for being “bad.”

LincolntheHun on December 5, 2012 at 9:08 AM

1000 ways to die.It’s all over the net 24/7.

docflash on December 5, 2012 at 9:08 AM

All the photographer was thinking about was money.

Pitiful.

kingsjester on December 5, 2012 at 9:10 AM

I don’t blame the photographer…

…I blame the camera phone!

Religious_Zealot on December 5, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Thank you Bob Costas.

But I do blame the photographer. He/she/it may have not been in a position to save Ki-Suck Han but he/she/it could have tackled the animal that did this instead of taking pictures of Mr. Han’s death. But hey! anything for a buck, right?

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The real outrage is that this Black Male Thug murdered an innocent man, but the Liberal Media goes after a conservative newspaper.
sentinelrules on December 5, 2012 at 9:05 AM

^^^ this.

KS Rex on December 5, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The insane guy who pushed the victim in was apparently still on the platform. Anyone who went to the mans aid was in danger of being pushed as well. It’s hard to blame them when there was a clear danger in the vicinity.

Of course, New Yorks recently upheld CCW restrictions prevented any people in the area from defending against this thug.

For CNN and other networks to criticize the Post is ridiculous. No one is pointing out that by running stories critical of the Post, the networks are able to show the pictures they’re condemning under the guise of promoting responsible journalism. They aren’t. They’re just being hypocrites and using it as an excuse to show the horrific pictures.

It’s also horrible that the NYPD hasn’t caught the attacker yet. But again, if NY had reasonable CCW rules a bystander might have held the atacker there until police arrived.

PetecminMd on December 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM

The photog claims he ran to the train snappinghis flash to get the conductors attention. If true, great. Otherwise, people filming somone’s doom rather than trying to help is disgusting and un-Christian- oh yeah, we aren’t supposed to have religious morals in public anymore.

BTW, when can we hear the cries of “hate-crime” for this Black-on-Korean crime?

And what the heck was the subway drive looking at if not some guy down on the tracks? Reading his Labor Agreement?

Spartacus on December 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Not run it at all. The story itself was horrible enough. I saw the picture online yesterday and I wish I hadn’t. They can justify it all they want but I don’t think it was necessary. And what kind of person thinks to whip out their camera in a tragic situation like that, anyway?

scalleywag on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 AM

I blame Liberals….and their trains…

hillsoftx on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Kenny Irby, Poynter’s senior faculty member for visual journalism and diversity programs, said what the paper did wasn’t necessarily wrong.

“It was not illegal or unethical given that ethical guidelines and recommendations are not absolute,” he said in an e-mail. But he also thought the Post could have used another photo because this one crossed the line of dignity.

Really love it when these people start throwing around words like ‘ethics’ and ‘dignity’…

*gag*….

BigWyo on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 AM

PetecminMd on December 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Amen to everything you said.

scalleywag on December 5, 2012 at 9:16 AM

The government needs to ban subway trains. People don’t kill people, subways kill people.

Rode Werk on December 5, 2012 at 9:17 AM

All the man needed was one person to grab his wrist and give him a little tug.
His fear and adrenaline would have done the rest.
I read he was there for almost a minute.
In the time it took for that man to pull out his phone and point it and hold it steady for a picture he could have ran over and saved that man.

Now he wants money…?
What a useless scumbag parasite.

NeoKong on December 5, 2012 at 9:18 AM

The photog claims he ran to the train snappinghis flash to get the conductors attention.

Spartacus on December 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM

That or the hope that he could get a picture of the the horrified expression of the conductor killing a man.

Sorry, but I don’t have much compassion for the photographer in this case.

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:18 AM

*gag*….

BigWyo on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Yea, the sanctimonious bs is hard to stomach, that’s for sure.

scalleywag on December 5, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Now he wants money…?
What a useless scumbag parasite.

NeoKong on December 5, 2012 at 9:18 AM

“scumbag parasites” are insulted!

scalleywag on December 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM

It’s news; run it.

BTW, I have long thought that there should be barriers between the platforms and the open subway track wells, with sliding gates that open at the same time as the train doors. This would prevent both accidents and murders like this one.

MrLynn on December 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM

It will be interesting to hear Bob Costas’ take on Sunday Night Football.

Train ban, here we come!

Good Lt on December 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM

http://www.fotoart.gr/istoria/onephotoonestory/spanish.jpg

Famous photo from the Spanish civil war of a soldier in the instant he was shot and killed.

We had that photo of the burned girl in Vietnam running from a napalm strike.

This isn’t new, and I don’t see what the big deal is.

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM

The real story and tragedy here is about an inner city parasite who killed an innocent man…

mnjg on December 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Thank Gaia I’ve never had to be in this situation so I can’t say what I would do; hard to judge anyone for any of their actions after a dude has been thrown in front of a train.

Bishop on December 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

This isn’t new, and I don’t see what the big deal is.

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Wow some people are really dense or uncaring.

The controversy isn’t over the photo itself but whether or not a publication should run it on the front page. Bastards like you would advocate not only publishing photos of people jumping to their deaths from the WTC on 9/11/01 but zooming in on their faces to see the expression of horror as they did so. You are a monster.

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

The insane guy who pushed the victim in was apparently still on the platform. Anyone who went to the mans aid was in danger of being pushed as well. It’s hard to blame them when there was a clear danger in the vicinity.

PetecminMd on December 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM

I’d be surprised if any of the onlookers feared they’d be pushed too for helping the guy. I’m sure they were just frozen by shock about what they had seen and what was about to happen. Doesn’t excuse doing nothing, though…I’m not sure how many people were on the platform, but not one decided to chance it and try to pull the man up?

changer1701 on December 5, 2012 at 9:28 AM

people don’t kill people, trains kill people

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 9:28 AM

People should know the horror that crime victims go through. Why protect the murderer?

A photo of a teen and a toddler who jumped from a burning bldg to their deaths won a Pulitzer.

Blake on December 5, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Wait… CNN? The media group that have favorable coverage to Saddam Hussein so they could get their scoop are criticizing others ethics?!

From the photo note the platform is nearly
empty and the panhandler, still there, had been threatening all of them.

Where was security? Why was a panhandler allowed in the station? Why don’t the trais have safety features that automatically detect obstructions and stop automatically?

We love in a socialist society now… I want socialist results… (Oh wait… I forgot… There ARE socialist results)

Skywise on December 5, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Thank Gaia I’ve never had to be in this situation so I can’t say what I would do; hard to judge anyone for any of their actions after a dude has been thrown in front of a train.

Bishop on December 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Not even trying to detain the guy who pushed a man to his death? Thank Gaia not everybody is like you!

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:29 AM

this debate has shades of Seinfeld’s last episode. The Good Samaritan law.

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 9:30 AM

The photog claims he ran to the train snappinghis flash to get the conductors attention. If true, great. Otherwise, people filming somone’s doom rather than trying to help is disgusting and un-Christian- oh yeah, we aren’t supposed to have religious morals in public anymore.

BTW, when can we hear the cries of “hate-crime” for this Black-on-Korean crime?

And what the heck was the subway drive looking at if not some guy down on the tracks? Reading his Labor Agreement?

Spartacus on December 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Blacks are not to be held accountable for anything… It is called the bigotry of low life expectation… something that liberals have created very long time ago…

mnjg on December 5, 2012 at 9:30 AM

When subways are criminalized, only criminals will have subways.

Tom Servo on December 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

The guy who pushed that poor man onto the tracks was by reports very big and very crazy. I can see them not detaining the perp. What is inexcusable is not helping the victim off the tracks.

Sekhmet on December 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

You are a monster.

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

You’re a hysterical little fellow aren’t you?

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

CNN. The news organization which saw fit to air video of US service members being killed by sniper fire. That CNN?

SPIFF1669 on December 5, 2012 at 9:33 AM

The insane guy who pushed the victim in was apparently still on the platform. Anyone who went to the mans aid was in danger of being pushed as well. It’s hard to blame them when there was a clear danger in the vicinity.

PetecminMd on December 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM

No, it’s not hard to blame them. First of all, when someone’s life is in danger, you go to their aid, even if it puts your own life in jeopardy. Period. That’s the only moral and ethical response. Second, there were sufficient people in the vicinity that, had they all done the right thing and chosen to intervene, they could have easily overpowered this one man and kept him from harming anyone else.

Shump on December 5, 2012 at 9:34 AM

You’re a hysterical little fellow aren’t you?

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Not in the least.

You’re an uncaring douchebag aren’t you?

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:36 AM

It’s news; run it.

BTW, I have long thought that there should be barriers between the platforms and the open subway track wells, with sliding gates that open at the same time as the train doors. This would prevent both accidents and murders like this one.

MrLynn on December 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM

But that would be the government doing something useful and spending $$$ wisely to keep the proles safe when using dirty prole movers (or “subways” as the proles call them).

No, I think battling soda, fatty foods, and law abiding citizens with guns is much better use of time, money, and manpower.

See, helping fat uneducated proles overcome their lust for food is a much more elitist glamorous hilarious noble — yes, noble — cause to support and one worthy of our $$$. Who doesn’t want to donate $$$ and have their name attached to a cause like Stop Fat Prole Kids, NOW!, hmmm? Who doesn’t want the strong arm of the government snatching the snack pack from Not-So-Little Susie’s fat, sweaty fingers?

Subway safety will have to wait.

/Bloomberg

Punchenko on December 5, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Not even trying to detain the guy who pushed a man to his death? Thank Gaia not everybody is like you!

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:29 AM

After having just watched a dude get crushed between a subway train and a concrete barrier, screaming and bleeding out, I can honestly say I have no idea what I would do.

I know I know, I’m supposed to have the presence of mind to immediately conduct a citizens arrest of…well…someone…because maybe I didn’t even see the guy who did it.

Whatever. In a perfect world we always do the exact right thing, and this is a perfect world.

Bishop on December 5, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Kenny Irby, Poynter’s senior faculty member for visual journalism and diversity programs

We live in a country where someone makes a living as that.

Akzed on December 5, 2012 at 9:38 AM

No, it’s not hard to blame them. First of all, when someone’s life is in danger, you go to their aid, even if it puts your own life in jeopardy. Period. That’s the only moral and ethical response. Second, there were sufficient people in the vicinity that, had they all done the right thing and chosen to intervene, they could have easily overpowered this one man and kept him from harming anyone else.

Shump on December 5, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Yeah, it’s shocking to me that there is NO ONE trying to help pull the man up in that photo. I can’t imagine what he is thinking as that train is bearing down on him. Ugh.

changer1701 on December 5, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Perp was black. No race-related hate crime here, move along, nothing to see. Was obviously driven to this by the overt racism of the intransigent GOP who want to put him back in chains while taking away his Obamaphone.

Midas on December 5, 2012 at 9:39 AM

You’re an uncaring douchebag aren’t you?

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Is this you? /

Why does the girl in Vietnam not deserve the same regard? Why are photo’s of Tarawa, Okinawa, and Utah Beach acceptable but this isn’t?

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM

The guy that died was hammered and had left the house after fighting with his wife. I would have given both of them a wide berth.

tessa on December 5, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Having tried to pull somebody back up from a subway platform (fortunately, not when a train was coming) it’s not as easy as it looks, because with most platforms (at least in NYC), there’s an open area directly under the platform. That means the person climbing up has nothing to place his or her feet against — it’s all arm strength of the person on the tracks pushing against the floor of the platform and the person on the platform pulling him up.

That doesn’t absolve the guy from trying to make as much $$$ as he can off the photo, but if he really was as far away from Ki-Suck Han as he said he was when he snapped the photo, he’d have to have the arm strength of a NFL offensive lineman to have been able to lift him up before the train arrived. Han’s only chance really would have been to duck into that area below the platform edge to get out of the way of the train (and avoid stepping on the third rail, if it was also placed under the platform).

jon1979 on December 5, 2012 at 9:42 AM

So no one tried to pull the guy up? I don’t understand. It looks like he could climb up if someone reached down and took his hand – but I’ve never been in a New York subway, so maybe I’m missing something? I can’t understand why nobody would try to help him climb out unless that was impossible for some reason.

Dork B. on December 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM

would the police have found the alleged perpetrator so quickly had the Post not created the firestorm of controversy by running the picture of Han’s last moments on the front page?

Maybe not, but when the Post made the choice to put the picture on the front page, I highly doubt that their motives had anything to do with helping to find the killer. The Post just got lucky that something good came out of printing the picture.

lynncgb on December 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM

For the same reasons executions are not televised, this photo should never have been run.

In the past the whole point of of an execution was to make it public .. to serve as a lesson. Now they just die for nothing.

J_Crater on December 5, 2012 at 9:45 AM

jon1979 on December 5, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Was typing mine out when I missed this – thanks for the clarification.

Dork B. on December 5, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Really love it when these people start throwing around words like ‘ethics’ and ‘dignity’…

*gag*….

BigWyo on December 5, 2012 at 9:15 AM

That was my reaction too – wth do they know about ethics??

Eren on December 5, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Why does the girl in Vietnam not deserve the same regard? Why are photo’s of Tarawa, Okinawa, and Utah Beach acceptable but this isn’t?

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM

I’m not sure I’m following your corollary between a) war photos and b) murder-by-subway photo. I get the ‘pictures of tragedy befalling people’ theme, but there’s a distinction there that it seems you’re missing. Maybe you’re not missing it, you just don’t think it matters, but there is a distinction between this and the pics you keep referencing, yes?

Midas on December 5, 2012 at 9:48 AM

BTW, I have long thought that there should be barriers between the platforms and the open subway track wells, with sliding gates that open at the same time as the train doors. This would prevent both accidents and murders like this one.

MrLynn on December 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM

In New York they can’t put platform doors on most the ‘lettered’ lines (the old BMT and IND services), which is where this accident took place. That’s because some of the rail cars are 60-feet long and a 10-car train has 40 doors, while others cars are 75-feet long, and the same length train of eight cars only has 36 doors. That means if you set up the platform doors to handle the first type of train and the second type comes in, the car’s doors wouldn’t match up with the ones on the platform (an experience I had once on the tram at the D-FW International Airport — it’s annoying as all hell to have the car doors open and see the platform blocked by one inch of Plexiglass).

They can put the platform doors on the numbered (IRT) lines, since the car lengths there are uniform, and reportedly they’re planning to do a test on the new Hudson Yards station when it opens in a couple of years on the far west side of Manhattan.

jon1979 on December 5, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Perp was black. No race-related hate crime here, move along, nothing to see. Was obviously driven to this by the overt racism of the intransigent GOP who want to put him back in chains while taking away his Obamaphone.

Midas on December 5, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Is there some aspect of black culture such that if you cross some boundary too far into their personal space, there’s a requirement if not to kill you, then to at least seriously assault you? If I’m going to go Full Monty racial analysis, consider the Eastern societies in China or Japan and their politeness in subways and other public facilities. Sounds like a possible culture clash. Though I must fault the black guy 100% for killing the Asian guy.

The picture? The NY Post should’ve been more sensitive to the man’s family. It’s gruesome.

Paul-Cincy on December 5, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Shump on December 5, 2012 at 9:34 AM

It’s difficult to overcome fear and the urge toward self-preservation is strongly ingrained in all higher animals, including humans. It’s one of our oldest and strongest instincts.

It’s easy to claim that we would rush to the aid of someone in danger with no concern for our own well-being. It’s more difficult to put that into practice. I don’t know if I can really condemn the people there for not reacting.

PetecminMd on December 5, 2012 at 9:50 AM

If Bob Costas doesn’t suggest banning trains on Monday night he’s a stupid hack. Nevermind, we all know Bob Costas is a stupid hack.

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Maybe you’re not missing it, you just don’t think it matters, but there is a distinction between this and the pics you keep referencing, yes?

Midas on December 5, 2012 at 9:48 AM

They are both tragic and they are both photo’s of people being killed by other people. What distinction do you mean exactly?

Maybe I am a monster?

http://www.fotoart.gr/istoria/onephotoonestory/spanish.jpg

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:52 AM

After having just watched a dude get crushed between a subway train and a concrete barrier, screaming and bleeding out, I can honestly say I have no idea what I would do.

I know I know, I’m supposed to have the presence of mind to immediately conduct a citizens arrest of…well…someone…because maybe I didn’t even see the guy who did it.

Whatever. In a perfect world we always do the exact right thing, and this is a perfect world.

Bishop on December 5, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I’m a fairly large, intimidating individual, I’ve trained in several different martial arts, I’m the kind of guy no one messes with at a bar. I have no doubt I could overpower most homeless people, and am reasonably sure that I could disarm most of them. I would still have serious concerns about the perpetrator–I don’t know whether he has a firearm, I don’t know whether he has any communicable diseases, I don’t know if he has any diseases that could be transmitted if he bit me (Hep, AIDS), and he’s clearly shown that he has no respect for others lives. Unless I was with a group of people I knew well and could back me up, or I was carrying, I would still have reservations about making a move towards a person like that.

I think criticizing the bystanders in this incident isn’t realistic.

PetecminMd on December 5, 2012 at 9:54 AM

outrage is always best served faux

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Thank you Bob Costas.

But I do blame the photographer. He/she/it may have not been in a position to save Ki-Suck Han but he/she/it could have tackled the animal that did this instead of taking pictures of Mr. Han’s death. But hey! anything for a buck, right?

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 9:12 AM

It’s not so easy to make snap decisions in a novel situation. In fact, it’s pretty much impossible to make good decisions unless you’ve thought about it ahead of time. Sure, if somebody attacks you directly you’re going to respond instinctively, one way or another. Habit and emotion drives everybody unless in the short term.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Horrific.

This makes us ask, isn’t it time to talk about subway train control? Without subway trains….

Noncentsical on December 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Agreed horrific, and I get the sarcasm. But that narrow platform looks dangerous enough even without the murderous criminal element around.

They could have a glass barrier like these here to keep people from falling or being pushed onto the tracks. Maybe the administration of NYC could end its war on Big Soda and do something useful like install some.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 10:03 AM

In New York they can’t put platform doors on most the ‘lettered’ lines (the old BMT and IND services), which is where this accident incident took place. That’s because some of the rail cars are 60-feet long and a 10-car train has 40 doors, while others cars are 75-feet long, and the same length train of eight cars only has 36 doors. That means if you set up the platform doors to handle the first type of train and the second type comes in, the car’s doors wouldn’t match up with the ones on the platform (an experience I had once on the tram at the D-FW International Airport — it’s annoying as all hell to have the car doors open and see the platform blocked by one inch of Plexiglass).

jon1979 on December 5, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I think you meant…

affenhauer on December 5, 2012 at 10:04 AM

There were two NY Post covers the past few weeks that I thought would generate some hate mail as well, not only for mentioning God, but what the mentions were for.

See HERE and HERE

I could have missed it, but I don’t recall any flak over those…

The NY Post is always ticking someone or some group off with a cartoon or cover photo or something. What’s done is done…for better or worse. If I were the victim’s loved ones/family that photo would creep me out a little I guess.

JetBoy on December 5, 2012 at 10:05 AM

For those asking why the train didn’t stop once the conductor saw the guy…well, I’m married to a railroader. I don’t know how long it takes for a commuter train to stop in an emergency-but it takes about a mile-a MILE for-for freight trains to stop in emergencies. Trains just can’t stop on a dime. If the conductor could’ve avoided hitting the man on the tracks-he would’ve. He couldn’t though.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:14 AM

I’m a large tattooed freak, if I just pushed someone off a ledge I’m thinking most people would take a second or two before deciding to grab hold of me. If I turned around after the push with a strange smile on a my face and a “who else wants some” look in my eyes, the seconds would stretch out a bit more.

Give the bystanders a break, this incident wasn’t some punk slapping his girlfriend around in public.

Bishop on December 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM

If I’m going to go Full Monty racial analysis, consider the Eastern societies in China or Japan and their politeness in subways and other public facilities. Sounds like a possible culture clash. Though I must fault the black guy 100% for killing the Asian guy.

The picture? The NY Post should’ve been more sensitive to the man’s family. It’s gruesome.

Paul-Cincy on December 5, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Incidents like this happen in East Asia as well.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Notice the glass barriers in the Shanghai subway in the picture I posted above. Those aren’t just to protect against accidents.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Sick Society. It’s going to get worse.

xrayiiis on December 5, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Why does the girl in Vietnam not deserve the same regard? Why are photo’s of Tarawa, Okinawa, and Utah Beach acceptable but this isn’t?

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM

You aren’t making any sense skittering all over the place the way that you do. I bet you get that a lot.

After taking that photo of the girl in Vietnam, the photographer took her and other wounded to the hospital. I’m not sure how this photo has anything to do with Tarawa, Okinawa, or D-Day.

Bottom line is you are perfectly happy with a guy who would rather photograph a death and get paid for it instead of helping. You are the exact kind of selfish and self-absorbed douchebag that gave Obama a second term.

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 10:21 AM

blink on December 5, 2012 at 10:20 AM

My bad.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:22 AM

The picture? The NY Post should’ve been more sensitive to the man’s family. It’s gruesome.

Paul-Cincy on December 5, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Agreed…probably didn’t approve the pic knowing it might be insensitive, but again, hidsight is always 20/20.

I’m reminded by this incident of one that turned out better for the victim who fell on the tracks in this one, with not a second to spare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i0_HlbLpkg

JetBoy on December 5, 2012 at 10:22 AM

It’s not so easy to make snap decisions in a novel situation. In fact, it’s pretty much impossible to make good decisions unless you’ve thought about it ahead of time. Sure, if somebody attacks you directly you’re going to respond instinctively, one way or another. Habit and emotion drives everybody unless in the short term.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Fair enough. But does that latitude extend to refusing to go on news shows unless you get paid? Does that extend to selling the pictures you took while a guy was killed? I’m not faulting the photographer for his inability to help just in the way he made a buck out of the tragedy.

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM

They are both tragic and they are both photo’s of people being killed by other people. What distinction do you mean exactly?

Maybe I am a monster?

http://www.fotoart.gr/istoria/onephotoonestory/spanish.jpg

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:52 AM

The comfortable cocoon of civilization divorcing the populace from reality is one reason great civilizations decline. Plus I’m wondering where that picture is from; I’m assuming something to do with the Spanish Revolution.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Its way past time for liberal control, without their maligned ideology millions of people would still be alive.

Speakup on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Horrific.

This makes us ask, isn’t it time to talk about subway train control? Without subway trains….

Noncentsical on December 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM

No! We need *arms* control. Without arms, the guy wouldn’t have been able to push him over.

gregbert on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Give the bystanders a break, this incident wasn’t some punk slapping his girlfriend around in public.

Bishop on December 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM

No break! It doesn’t take physical confrontation to follow the dude and see where he goes. Too bad it wasn’t a punk slapping his girlfriend around, then the left might be concerned about this death.

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 10:28 AM

I’m not faulting the photographer for his inability to help just in the way he made a buck out of the tragedy.

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM

we live in a country where it’s “fine” to lie about four dead Americans for political gain

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I’m reminded by this incident of one that turned out better for the victim who fell on the tracks in this one, with not a second to spare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i0_HlbLpkg

JetBoy on December 5, 2012 at 10:22 AM

The Spanish are known for their courage.

(ha!)

OK I’ll quit racial analysis for now.

Paul-Cincy on December 5, 2012 at 10:30 AM

The only reason for the fake outrage is that the perp is a black male and the victim is not. Were it the other way around, the picture would be on every first page, every news program, and every wall.

And Hot Air pvssies swallow the outrage meme – hook line and sinker.

Archivarix on December 5, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Maybe I am a monster?

http://www.fotoart.gr/istoria/onephotoonestory/spanish.jpg

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:52 AM

You realize that “The Falling Soldier” pic was staged don’t you?

My major professor (on my committee at Grad School) assigned me to catalogue part of the Russian archives that had been released of the Spanish Civil War. Staging photos, battles, & outcomes on real and imagined fights was part of the Russian strategy and highly encouraged.

Later, when this particular photog’s negatives were found, it contained many other variations of “falling men”. No one, short of the most ardent leftist in academia, gives that picture any credence.

Irritable Pundit on December 5, 2012 at 10:31 AM

And Hot Air pvssies swallow the outrage meme – hook line and sinker.

Archivarix on December 5, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Hot Air doesn’t have pvssy, it’s all old white guys

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Fair enough. But does that latitude extend to refusing to go on news shows unless you get paid? Does that extend to selling the pictures you took while a guy was killed? I’m not faulting the photographer for his inability to help just in the way he made a buck out of the tragedy.

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM

You’re changing your position. You did fault him for not tackling the guy. That’s ok, too few people are willing to reconsider their positions, especially on the internet. Take another step and admit you changed you mind: It’s liberating!

I agree about making money to go on news shows. Myself, I just wouldn’t do it at all. No desire to be a celebrity.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 10:33 AM

…when there are no people or police that will come to your aid when your life is threatened…I wonder what you would need?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Hot Air doesn’t have pvssy, it’s all old white guys

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Then a whole lot of those old white guys have severely shorted their gonad accounts.

Archivarix on December 5, 2012 at 10:34 AM

There are two questions on ethics here. First, should the photographer have snapped the picture rather than rushing to the man’s aid, assuming of course that he was close enough to have been able to do so?

I thought the pictures resulted from the photog snapping of flash-frames to alert the driver, which is what EVERYBODY on the platform was reportedly doing. This seems plausible as nobody tried to apprehend the thug who pushed this guy. That is people were singularly focused on alerting the driver.

As for him helping the guy standing in the tracks the guy should have helped himself out. I believe he couldn’t because of his age but mostly because of his drinking.

Also trying to help some people is rough. Some people are so terrified that they work against themselves. (Any first responders in the house to concur or refute?) Imagine trying to pull this guy up and being pulled down because he’s drunk and deadweighting you. Oh yeah, seconds only take seconds to pass.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Hot Air doesn’t have pvssy, it’s all old white guys

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:32 AM

I ain’t no guy-and I’m not white…I’m tan…ish

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:36 AM

One side aspect to publishing the photo — not directly related to the murder itself — might be to actually make some people in New York think about how horrific this type of death is.

Earlier this year (thanks possibly in part to the wonderful current economic conditions), there was a glut of suicide-by-train in New York, with people simply jumping in front of the cars or lying down on the tracks. It’s an incredibly selfish way to kill yourself, since you’re requiring the train operator and anyone else on the platform to watch it as it happens.

The Post’s picture at the very least forces people to think about the horror of watching someone die by getting crushed by a train. I would hope that at the very least it would make others think about how awful that is for others to see (though given the culture nowadays, I suppose running the photo just might result in another outbreak of suicidal people deciding to let the MTA and their rail cars kill them).

jon1979 on December 5, 2012 at 10:37 AM

palpable outrage is sorta like Bigfoot – ie Fake

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:37 AM

If you want a realistic view of what it looks like with a train barreling down the tracks at a person there is a movie with a scene depicting just this scenario. I believe the stuntman almost died in the shoot. It looks very realistic and suggests to me that there are few humans on the planet who have ever won a race with a train.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I ain’t no guy-and I’m not white…I’m tan…ish

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:36 AM

mmmmmmm…you sound hot! ;)

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 AM

…when there are no people or police that will come to your aid when your life is threatened…I wonder what you would need?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Unfortunately, while I do carry, having a gun in this situation wouldn’t be much help. First gun control, then knifings explode, so we need more arms control. That’s right, do like the Islamists: commit a crime with your hand? Cut it off. Cutting of this guy’s arms is just the next logical step in liberal paradise.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Comment pages: 1 2