Video: Outrage over NY Post pic depicting subway victim

posted at 8:51 am on December 5, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The picture has become iconic in just a short period of time — but of what? Did the New York Post’s front page this week depict man confronting inevitable death, or soulless media exploiting personal tragedy for sales? CNN gives a somewhat one-sided look at the controversy over the image of the final seconds of Ki-Suck Han’s life and the debate that raged over the last 24 hours:

The one-sided nature of the report comes at least in part because neither the NY Post nor the photographer chose to talk to CNN. The latter demanded payment from CNN as a condition of his appearance, which would have raised other ethical questions, and certainly could have influenced the tenor of the report. The Post’s editorial decision didn’t get unanimously panned, but didn’t get a lot of support, either:

“Even if you accept that that photographer and other bystanders did everything they could to try to save the man, it’s a separate question of what the Post should have done with that photo,” Jeff Sonderman, a fellow at journalism think tank the Poynter Institute, wrote on the organization’s website. “All journalists we’ve seen talking about it online concluded the Post was wrong to use the photo, especially on its front page.”

Kenny Irby, Poynter’s senior faculty member for visual journalism and diversity programs, said what the paper did wasn’t necessarily wrong.

“It was not illegal or unethical given that ethical guidelines and recommendations are not absolute,” he said in an e-mail. But he also thought the Post could have used another photo because this one crossed the line of dignity.

“This moment was such for me — it was too private in my view,” he wrote. “I am all for maximizing truth telling, while minimizing harm, which can be done by fully vetting the alternatives available and publishing with a sense of compassion and respect.”

There are two questions on ethics here. First, should the photographer have snapped the picture rather than rushing to the man’s aid, assuming of course that he was close enough to have been able to do so? Second, should the Post have held this picture for the inside of the paper or perhaps not run it at all? I’m not certain we can know enough about the circumstances of the first question to get a good read on it, but the second question is a little more straightforward. Let’s take a poll:

Here’s another question, though: would the police have found the alleged perpetrator so quickly had the Post not created the firestorm of controversy by running the picture of Han’s last moments on the front page?

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I ain’t no guy-and I’m not white…I’m tan…ish

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:36 AM

I’ve been wondering about you since the news of Asperger syndrome being dropped from the DSM. I can’t imagine being told that what you’ve been told and have known all your life is now different.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Sounds revolting similar to the “Knockout Game.”

Rules are: Find white or Asian guy, punch him in the face, knock him out.

The Knockout Game is documented in more than 80 cities with more than 400 examples in the book “White Girl Bleed a Lot: The return of racial violence and how the media ignore it.”

Last month, three Pitt football players were arrested for beating a white student while playing “The Knockout Game.”

Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM

It’s news. If we have to sanitize everything to suit the delicate sensibilities of weak-spine individuals, then get rid of news altogether. This isn’t a G-Rated society.

joejm65 on December 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM

I guess the murderer was too dark to lighten his photo a la Zimmerman

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 10:41 AM

It wasn’t dropped-rather it’s been ‘absorbed’ into the ‘autism’ category.
Most Aspies don’t agree-because there’s a HUGE difference between people like us and those with full-bore autism. Being that I was diagnosed @ 33-I did a lot of ‘learning’ on my own. I wasn’t ‘mentally ill’ before and I’m not mentally ill now. I’m still just me-so nothing has changed.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM

[Comment deleted, user banned — Ed]

bob77 on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Unfortunately, while I do carry, having a gun in this situation wouldn’t be much help. First gun control, then knifings explode, so we need more arms control. That’s right, do like the Islamists: commit a crime with your hand? Cut it off. Cutting of this guy’s arms is just the next logical step in liberal paradise.

It worked like a charm in a society that didn’t pay lifetime disability to handicapped people who lost their hands to thievery. By the way, crime rates were amazingly low in Islamic society, at least by medieval measures.

Archivarix on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM

mmmmmmm…you sound hot! ;)

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I have a face that can break mirrors. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Archivarix on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM

You keep using the past tense as though it is not currently the law of the land in Saudi Arabia et al. Sure it works, in a sense.

I figure if what a criminal did is bad enough to cut off body parts, then it’s bad enough for capital punishment. Stealing doesn’t count. Murder does.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 10:55 AM

rail travel is a dangerous antiquated technology. If we ban it, California would be slightly less broke.

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 AM

I do not like to see things like this.

But the country needs to see things like this.

logdogsmith on December 5, 2012 at 11:10 AM

You know the man name was Ki Suk Han and not Ki Suck Han. The dumb reporters at CNN and AP misspelled his name, and you ought to be careful so you don’t sound like idiot posters over at Daily Kos or Yahoo News.

galtani on December 5, 2012 at 11:11 AM

If Bob Costas doesn’t suggest banning trains on Monday night he’s a stupid hack. Nevermind, we all know Bob Costas is a stupid hack.

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM

That was my thought exactly.

earlgrey133 on December 5, 2012 at 11:11 AM

I do not like to see things like this.

But the country needs to see things like this.

logdogsmith on December 5, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Yup.

the_nile on December 5, 2012 at 11:11 AM

The headline is even worse than the picture. I don’t give the NYPost any time anymore. Any publication/outlet that runs the headlines they do and the constant celeb trash will not get my attention anymore. Sadly, that leaves me few places to go for news. But I no longer will support trash and anything that gives attention to fame whore trash.

bucsox79 on December 5, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Libtards never want to be reminded of the sh!t world they have created and are responsible for.

FlaMurph on December 5, 2012 at 11:24 AM

If the NYT can run the Abu Garib phtos front page above the fold every day for two months then this is certainly fair game.

tommyboy on December 5, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Libtards never want to be reminded of the sh!t world they have created and are responsible for.

FlaMurph on December 5, 2012 at 11:24 AM

The best thing to happen is to flood the white liberal neighborhoods with inner city people… May be some rich conservative should build condos in these neighborhoods and turn them into section VIII or even give them as charitable donations for people from the inner cities… It will be a beautiful thing to see the reaction of white liberals when finally they have to live with the the parasite class that they have created…. Finally Tifanny and Steve would have to live in the same neighborhood with Shaniqua and Maleek…

mnjg on December 5, 2012 at 11:40 AM

The recent election just demonstrated that the largest problem with this society is the inability to confront or even recognize what it’s actual problems are. By all means, lets continue to sensor factual events because they are unpleasant.

Resolute on December 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Thanks for your perspective. I have not heard any reflections such as yours in the media. I think reporting this type of news in soundbytes without real-life context is not helpful.

Pardon the clumsy phrasing. I began to type “assumed by” and frankly got lazy. You’re right, I was inaccurate.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Some black guy is gonna play the game with the wrong guy, and it’ll turn into the bang-bang “lights out game”. Hopefully it’ll happen soon to save others from being assaulted.

bob77 on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM

This is the most troubling thing I have ever read at HotAir. You’re a racist, hateful person.

I hope you get banned.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Some black guy is gonna play the game with the wrong guy, and it’ll turn into the bang-bang “lights out game”. Hopefully it’ll happen soon to save others from being assaulted.

bob77 on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Get lost.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Typical that Cnn would get all outraged at the Post but not so much at the system in NY that actually fosters this type of crime.

Where was CNN’s outrage over this.


Woman Is Raped While Transit Workers Watch

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e4e_1239676154

…this type of violent crime with no one taking any real action to help is common for the great liberal city of NY.

.,..and what was the outcome of having New Yorkers look on while a woman is raped within a few feet of them:


Subway Workers Who Witnessed Rape Not Liable

http://www.newser.com/story/54998/subway-workers-who-witnessed-rape-not-liable.html

Newser) – A woman raped in the New York City subway while MTA employees looked on will get no relief from the courts, the New York Post reports. Both a conductor and a station agent saw the woman being assaulted in 2005; they called police and did nothing more. A judge today threw out the woman’s suit against them and their employer, saying they took “prompt and decisive action in obtaining police help.”

….It may certainly not be against the law to sit and watch a woman get raped in front of you….but it certainly is disgustingly abhorrent to sit by and watch such vicious violence…….which is common place in the great liberal bastion of NY.

So excuse me if the faux outrage coming from Cnn and Co. means nothing when they basically ignore the rotting failure brought on to major cities like NY,LA,Detroit,and Chicago that have been destroyed by liberal leadership and it’s failed policies.

Baxter Greene on December 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM

If the NYT can run the Abu Garib phtos front page above the fold every day for two months then this is certainly fair game.

tommyboy on December 5, 2012 at 11:31 AM

…we had a Republican President then…it was referred to as “speaking truth to power” and was celebrated by the media.

…now we have a democrat in the White House…. holding the President accountable “racist” and is condemned by the media.

Baxter Greene on December 5, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I have a face that can break mirrors. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM

So much for that “glass cieling.” I like women who know themselves and enjoy themselves. You seem pretty cool.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Baxter Greene It may certainly not be against the law to sit and watch a woman get raped in front of you but it certainly is disgustingly abhorrent

Actually, that’s a felony under the Federal “misprision of felony statute.”

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Conversely, it’s overtly sanctioned under sharia law.

Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 12:03 PM

I have a face that can break mirrors. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM

You should not have ruined his fantasy…”I am hot, and I put on this nightie just so I can post to you, although most people would think it was too short, I think it’s just right for you”…the poor guy probably is living at home with his aunt and needs a little “attention”.

You missed your chance to help a poor young man out…

right2bright on December 5, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Last month, three Pitt football players were arrested for beating a white student while playing “The Knockout Game.”

Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM

I would tell (white) guys who lose street fights to pretend to be gay. Then go for the media sympathy and hate crime leverage.

Of course, I don’t really do that as it is suborning perjury or other crimes and even worse if your are counsel.

IlikedAUH2O on December 5, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Baxter Greene It may certainly not be against the law to sit and watch a woman get raped in front of you but it certainly is disgustingly abhorrent

Actually, that’s a felony under the Federal “misprision of felony statute.”

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Conversely, it’s overtly sanctioned under sharia law.

Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 12:03 PM

…I guess them making the phone call to police was enough to satisfy this in NY.
……….How noble and brave to sit by and watch a woman get raped.

This is why they spend so much time ridiculing “the south”….
……..to keep from having to pay attention to the filth in their own back yards.

Baxter Greene on December 5, 2012 at 12:12 PM

They are both tragic and they are both photo’s of people being killed by other people. What distinction do you mean exactly?

Maybe I am a monster?

http://www.fotoart.gr/istoria/onephotoonestory/spanish.jpg

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:52 AM

It’s the distinction between war and crime. Not matter what the left tells us, there IS a difference between the two.

And as far as I know the Capa picture is staged. Like Orwell, he was a member of the Worker’s Party Marxist Unification, but Orwell changed during the Civil War. I think Capa didn’t.

Gelsomina on December 5, 2012 at 12:14 PM

right2bright,

You realize that you’re obvious, right? I’ve not seen someone wear their inadequacies like patches on their sleeves. You literally repeat the things that have been said to or about you about others.

You’re like a psychological-thriller starring Harpo Marx.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Sounds revolting similar to the “Knockout Game.”

Rules are: Find white or Asian guy, punch him in the face, knock him out.

The Knockout Game is documented in more than 80 cities with more than 400 examples in the book “White Girl Bleed a Lot: The return of racial violence and how the media ignore it.”

Last month, three Pitt football players were arrested for beating a white student while playing “The Knockout Game.”

Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Your description of the “knockout game” looks a lot like European-American history, only in reverse and on a much smaller scale.

Alpha_Male on December 5, 2012 at 12:22 PM

In New York they can’t put platform doors on most the ‘lettered’ lines (the old BMT and IND services), which is where this accident took place. That’s because some of the rail cars are 60-feet long and a 10-car train has 40 doors, while others cars are 75-feet long, and the same length train of eight cars only has 36 doors. That means if you set up the platform doors to handle the first type of train and the second type comes in, the car’s doors wouldn’t match up with the ones on the platform (an experience I had once on the tram at the D-FW International Airport — it’s annoying as all hell to have the car doors open and see the platform blocked by one inch of Plexiglass).

We sent a man to the moon. I think we could figure out the complexities of doors in different places when different length trains pull up.

cptacek on December 5, 2012 at 12:23 PM

jon1979 on December 5, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Yes, differing car lengths would be a problem lining up barrier gates with the car doors. But, as you say, it could be initiated on lines where the cars are uniform, and gradually extended to the other lines as feasible.

The guy who runs a train (in America) is an ‘engineer’. I’ve never been clear about subway trains; on a trolley, he’s a ‘motorman’. That might apply to subways, too.

I said the photo was ‘news’, and therefore legit. But the arguments about the effect on his family do concern me.

MrLynn on December 5, 2012 at 12:24 PM

I have a face that can break mirrors. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Image is everything.

Get a rich guy and go for plastic surgery. Avoid lypo unless you are getting your tummy stitched with Bariatric, since your body just puts the fat back.

I had a wife who turned herself into a goddess. Well, she was divine to me before she did anything but to everyone else, including herself, she was average or a mess. OMG, did she become cute. She even changed her build. Then she got the personality, confidence and clothes. Look at photos of the most wonderful Jennifer Aniston. Half a dozen cuts?

Or just find a guy who looks inside (like some here) and flip off the rest of the world.

I have waited for a chance to mention about this next part!

Looks? Or you can just get the right P.R. and see the media for guidance. Viz. the photo of Apollo with his pecs coming out of the water in the Washington Post. Compare it to the photo of Paul Ryan lifting weights.

The Washington Post nearly went pornographic over Dear Leader rising from the waves and I can find college girls who still get hot thinking about him. Ok, good fro him. But…the Ryan photo was ignored except on MSNBC whose show The Circle or whatever made fun of Ryan’s hat on backwards.

Rep. Paul Ryan is a gladiator in competition with himself physically and I know whereof I speak. And he doesn’t stare at the mirror all day. And he can do math!

IlikedAUH2O on December 5, 2012 at 12:25 PM

The composition of the shot, being absolutely level with obvious time taken to make the objects in the photo be just so, and the apparent distance between the photographer, the man, and the train, tell me that, while in the end the photographer may not have actually had enough time to do anything to save the man, it was a close enough call that he should have believed he might have been able to do something. Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he had his camera on, lens cap off, and ready to shoot, the time taken to lift the camera to his face, compose the shot, and taking only one shot could have been used to rush to the man’s aid and try to pull him back up to the platform. Instead, he says he tried to use his flash to warn the subway driver. How about running down the platform toward the train waving your arms and screaming stop? With what I’ve got, the photographer is a piece of poop that deserves all the criticism he is getting and more.

kclibby on December 5, 2012 at 12:28 PM

There is no need to filter the truth.

Pork-Chop on December 5, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Your description of the “knockout game” looks a lot like European-American history, only in reverse and on a much smaller scale.

Alpha_Male on December 5, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Disgusting.

Come to Texas, and try the game with me, pal.

Rebar on December 5, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I thought this was going to happen to me years ago. Found myself in Philly in a small station where I was the only white, and a young black guy just kept staring at me. Just as the train was coming he stood and walked right up to me… I mean got right into my face and glared at me.

I stood my ground and did not flinch. After the fact my feeling was that he had been doing all that in an attempt to intimidate me into making a reflex action that could be seen as aggressive so he could defend shoving me onto the tracks.

I was somewhere in the ‘Badlands’ area of the city at the time. Even today my recollection is pretty clear; he was timing his move to the train and wanted/needed me to react.

With no video/pictures and mostly unwilling or confused witnesses he would have walked away from any charges I’m sure.

RalphyBoy on December 5, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Hot Air doesn’t have pvssy, it’s all old white guys

Slade73 on December 5, 2012 at 10:32 AM

HotAir may not have p@ssy, but some of the commenters do.

On a more serious note, I doubt this was as much a racial attack as a schizo attack. The perp seems to be deeply mentally ill, and was likely to attack the next person who walked in with pink hair as the poor man he did attack. Trying to tease out meaning from the meaningless paranoia of the mentally ill can make yourself mentally ill.

Sekhmet on December 5, 2012 at 12:40 PM

A lib sent an email doubting that Ryan had muscles.

I have worked out with real men for years. Including pro athletes. Ryan is real.

However, I checked. When you give something to the media. Remember that they are theurgists, tricksters, twits, twinks, tarts, tramps and all Trotskys. Take your own photos and have a staff and possible poll review.

On Paul Ryan’s photos. Media conclusion: They were silly.

Google it.

IlikedAUH2O on December 5, 2012 at 12:44 PM

RalphyBoy on December 5, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Wow, what a wuss.

Yes officer he was staring me. Oh the horror.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 12:55 PM

The System and The Liberals Who Do Obama’s Bidding In New York are allowed to Act Out their Bigotry and BRUTALLY Murder a member of an Asian Minority who does not think highly of them.

The New York Post exposes their hypocrisy with a Front-Page Phote.

The Liberal Mainstream Media at CNN CHEERS ON the Murder of this innocent man – by ATTACKING THE PHOTOGRAPHER who took the Picture EXPOSING the Obama-Laden System In New York and making The Liberal Mainstream Media’s Diety – Obama – look bad.

Ed Morrisey Takes this opportunity to Strut Out In Fromt of The Crowd and CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE that HE IS STILL Beholden to The Liberal Mainstream Media and DESPERATELY seeks their approval by “Posting A Poll” asking: “Hey – Wasn’t It OK for CNN the Eviscerate The Photographer Who Exposed Obama” RATHER than coming out and SAYING: CNN IS WRONG AND EVIL!!

So – what else is new?

williamg on December 5, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Wow, what a wuss.

Yes officer he was staring me. Oh the horror.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 12:55 PM

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Obviously you were never in the badlands, or been jumped…
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RalphyBoy on December 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM

CNN acting as if there is such thing as journalistic integrity is a riot.

besser tot als rot on December 5, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I doubt this was as much a racial attack as a schizo attack.

Duh.

I recently talked and walked one of these nutbars away from a couple of elderly he was ranting at. I engaged him in a conversation that he could not resist.

“Did you hear that?” I didn’t even think about what I was saying but apparently he did hear it because this guy walked with me for a block and a half. I ID’d got his family name and snuck a photo on my phone just in case.

He felt listened to. I wouldn’t advise it to everybody. And I never put myself in harm’s way. But he needed to be far away from these women. I got back to my car just in time to not get a ticket. Life is good. Being crazy must suck.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 12:59 PM

RalphyBoy on December 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM

It is best to ignore the godless reprobate.

tom daschle concerned on December 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM

http://www.fotoart.gr/istoria/onephotoonestory/spanish.jpg

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 9:52 AM

The comfortable cocoon of civilization divorcing the populace from reality is one reason great civilizations decline. Plus I’m wondering where that picture is from; I’m assuming something to do with the Spanish Revolution.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Spanish civil war.

sharrukin on December 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Obviously you were never in the badlands, or been jumped…
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RalphyBoy on December 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Here’s how I know you’re a wuss. You think that your scary neighborhood is different than any other. There is no place in this country I am afraid to travel. Period. International is different.

You’ve mythologized some urban area into a place that you believe yourself to be defying nature when you leave alive. Meanwhile millions of other kids, elderly-women, etc are standing in the same area.

I have to laugh when I hear about people being afraid of being white. Seriously. That’s funny.

Also, when one man stares another one down that’s not called getting jumped. It’s called being scared.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 1:08 PM

It is best to ignore the godless reprobate.

tom daschle concerned on December 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM

I wonder how your judgment of my beliefs squares with your version of God. My God doesn’t take too kindly to it.

By lying about me in this manner you have taken his name in vain. You get that, right?

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I thought this was going to happen to me years ago. Found myself in Philly in a small station where I was the only white, and a young black guy just kept staring at me. Just as the train was coming he stood and walked right up to me… I mean got right into my face and glared at me.

During the campaign, Mitt Romney also visited there. Got cursed out, booed and bottles thrown at him.

sentinelrules on December 5, 2012 at 1:15 PM

The day after the Marriott bombing in Jakarta I opened my front door to the severed heads of the bombers on the front page of the Jakarta Pos.

Graphic is pretty relative, and in some senses I don’t really need the media to filter out real life for me. One image like this can do a lot to stand in the gap against Bloomberg and his gun control ranting.

Final thought: the photographer who got the pulitzer for his picture of the starving boy in Africa being stalked by a vulture took his life not long afterward, perhaps because he walked away from the boy after taking the shot. I suspect that our photographer here may evaluate his decisions differently given some time.

TexasDan on December 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Give the bystanders a break, this incident wasn’t some punk slapping his girlfriend around in public.

Bishop on December 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM

If this was just one person standing nearby frozen in horror I’d get it. But there were multiple people around and no one flinched, and that’s just sad, and shows how little we really look out for our fellow man nowadays.

Reminds me of an incident last year where a woman in my complex started screaming bloody murder at midnight for help and that “he” was going to kill her. I grabbed my gun and ran towards her place across the courtyard without thinking. Guy saw me show up and backed away from kicking down her door, cops showed up a cpl minutes later. One other lady showed up to help as I waited. So 2 people out of a nearby 30-50 came to help a woman who was screaming for her life…sad.

nextgen_repub on December 5, 2012 at 1:18 PM

How about the choice …

Run the photo on the cover, but without that tasteless headline.

BrunoMitchell on December 5, 2012 at 1:22 PM

We sent a man to the moon. I think we could figure out the complexities of doors in different places when different length trains pull up.
cptacek on December 5, 2012 at 12:23 PM

This is the MTA we’re talking about here — the state burr racy that takes two years to fix a subway escalator. If you think they could do better with adjustable platform doors, you have more faith in government competence than I do.

jon1979 on December 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM

nextgen_repub on December 5, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Yes, it’s sad. But that’s human nature, we’re all a bunch of mice-like mammals hiding from the big bad dinosaurs. Rushing out to confront the situation has to be a preplanned decision on your part. And I doubt you were actually out the door in under 10 seconds, which is what I am guessing would be required in this situation. Of course, we don’t really have all the facts. 10 seconds might have been too late.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Sounds revolting similar to the “Knockout Game.”
Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Thank you for this post. I have been looking for that link

My brother in Detroit became a victim last week. Lived alone in one of those neighborhoods the city wants to shut down. Frail sitting duck. Neighbor saw the car was missing. Door open. Brother severely beaten in head, brain bruises, multiple facial fractures, in coma. Neck needed a tube. Broken ribs, collapsed lung. Originally breathing on his own, but stopped. They are going to keep the life support for a week and then see what happens if removed.

He was the last white guy, but this type of attack is becoming the norm. They always go for the head. Baseball bats are popular, but it may be my brother’s neck was stomped.

He spent a lot of years caring for our mother who died last year. He wouldn’t leave the family home. I pray he survives, but if not, he will be with Mom and Dad. God Bless his soul.

I feel for the family of the subway victim. I would have allowed the photo of my family member, because it makes people wake up to the dangers around them. There is a growing cloud of hatred in this nation that is displacing civilization, and barbarians like Jerry Springer encourage letting go of decency, while politicians encourage racial hatred to solidify their power. Savagery is covered up lest it offend, while political differences are screamed over.

Brother was a good man. An engineer. So smart. Never hurt a fly. They may kill him yet, but they cannot touch his spirit

entagor on December 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 1:08 PM

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There is no place in this country I am afraid to travel. Period. International is different.

See… all you need is a computer and an internet connection to become a tough guy…
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Didn’t say stared me down. Did say he got right in my face.

And I’ve occasionally driven people I work with home at night… right into “The Badlands” (the Philly police and news have been calling it that for years). More than once the ride home ended with my rider being nervous for me. Warning me about going straight out of the area… etc.
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But your so tough maybe we could head into Camden together… I was raised there. I know the difference between being a solo white guy among a group of another race, and being targeted for victim-hood (even bad white people will do that too you know).
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Wow, what a wuss.

Yes officer he was staring me. Oh the horror.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 12:55 PM

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When did I mention whining to the police? This crap makes you a straw man troll…
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RalphyBoy on December 5, 2012 at 1:46 PM

entagor on December 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM

I am so sorry this happened to your brother, I can’t even begin to imagine. I hope the best for him and your family and I will keep all of you in my prayers.

Cindy Munford on December 5, 2012 at 1:48 PM

I have a face that can break mirrors. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM

You stop that, I have seen pictures of you. You are cute as a button.

Cindy Munford on December 5, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Meh. The LSM is upset because it shows the sterotypical gangsta killing an innocent which destroys the narrative that law-abiding gun owners are to be feared with their conceled/open carry permits.

If NYC had deigned to allow citizens to carry, either this would have never happened or the thug would have been capped. But no, they han’t have a bunch of Bernards Goetzes running amok in NYC. Let the libtards burn in their cesspools.

What was it that Jesse Jackson said all those decades ago in a momentary flash of truth about black men walking up behind him? Yeah I thot so, the truth is politically incorrect.

AH_C on December 5, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Wait, is this the same CNN that ran footage of snipers shooting US soldiers in Iraq?

Captain Kirock on December 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM

For CNN, it’s outrageous to show a pic of a man about to die, but it’s ok to linger a few seconds on the blood smear on the platform AFTER the man has died. Whatevs. Moral highground noted and dismissed.

AH_C on December 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Of course, we don’t really have all the facts. 10 seconds might have been too late.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Right, I haven’t seen an accurate estimate on how long he was actually down on the tracks before the train came. From the video you can see there are at least 6-8 people on one side of them and who knows how many on the other. And yet none are in frame even, but we both agree that it’s sad.

Also, in the video you can see someone filming the argument in the background? Is that the photog? If so, seems someone probably cared more the whole time about capturing something “exciting” on film then helping anyone anyway.

nextgen_repub on December 5, 2012 at 2:55 PM

why the hell didn’t the photographer and other bystanders detain the guy that “allegedly” pushed Ki-Suck Han to his death?

It is a widely documented fact that when you make people live in very close proximity to each other – densely populated metros or prisons – people will disassociate from harsh events that do not fit their reality matrix.

People get assassinated in broad daylight and people will walk by without even noticing. Even if they did notice, they really didn’t or they’re lying.

A man will fall over with a heart attack and people will walk around his body.

Sexual assaults do happen in broad daylight.

Tbh I’d be kind of shocked if an average person had done something. If they’d even processed it their first thought would have been “I ain’t getting involved”.

Sad but true. Anyway, the public has been brainwashed to think that the nanny state will prevent wanton violence against people. 9/11 was the perfect clusterfark of how out of hand such brainwashing has become.

CorporatePiggy on December 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM

nextgen_repub on December 5, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Filming an argument isn’t necessarily a bad thing, that could go either way. People argue all the time without shoving the other guy into the path of an oncoming train.

Anyway, I suspect that if this were a real life conversation and not an internet thing, we’d probably agree more than not. Yes, the human condition is sad in many ways. And our culture is going downhill, but I don’t think dramatically so. Just a steady drip drip drip.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 3:12 PM


Sounds revolting similar to the “Knockout Game.”
Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM

entagor: Thank you for this post. I have been looking for that link

My brother in Detroit became a victim last week… [too awful to repeat]

That is truly awful to learn. Unfortunately, that’s now the new normal in too many US cities. If you live in a major city and haven’t been a victim yourself, then you know someone who has. It’s pandemic. And the MSM silence is deafening.

For a more scholarly discussion of the phenomenon, try “Hating Whitey: And Other Progressive Causes” or “Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America.”

My prayers and condolenses for your brother and family.

Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 3:37 PM

I have a face that can break mirrors. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM

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You stop that, I have seen pictures of you. You are cute as a button.

Cindy Munford on December 5, 2012 at 1:50 PM

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I haven’t seen your picture, but you sure sound “cute as a button.” : )

listens2glenn on December 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Sad but true. Anyway, the public has been brainwashed to think that the nanny state will prevent wanton violence against people. 9/11 was the perfect clusterfark of how out of hand such brainwashing has become.

CorporatePiggy on December 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM

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I’m going to disagree with you as to the public being “brainwashed to think that the nanny state will prevent wanton violence against people.” I don’t believe that they believe that.
They have been frightened into the knowledge that IF they do get involved, they will have to undergo intense questioning by the police, as well as possible repercussions from the purpotrator himself (or herself), or his (or her) associates.

listens2glenn on December 5, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Filming an argument isn’t necessarily a bad thing, that could go either way. People argue all the time without shoving the other guy into the path of an oncoming train.

Fenris on December 5, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Oh no doubt. I seriously doubt anyone thought that would happen. And hey, I don’t blame people for being afraid, jumping in to help isn’t without risks. Just makes me sad for the guy is all. At least they were able to catch the guy (for the family’s sake that is).

nextgen_repub on December 5, 2012 at 3:55 PM

First, should the photographer have snapped the picture rather than rushing to the man’s aid, assuming of course that he was close enough to have been able to do so?

According to the CNN video, he was rushing to the train, using his flash to get the train’s attention. The implication at least is that, that’s how he got the picture.

Besides, looking at the pic, that man was clearly already trying to get up. If he didn’t have enough time to do that before the train got there, it seems doubtful that anyone would have been able to save him.

Esthier on December 5, 2012 at 4:18 PM

But your so tough maybe we could head into Camden together… I was raised there. I know the difference between being a solo white guy among a group of another race, and being targeted for victim-hood (even bad white people will do that too you know).

My what is so tough? Oh I see you still haven’t mastered third grade English. (see possessive pronouns)

Look Bub. The idea of arguing with you about the scariest neighborhoods is dumb. Do you want me to list the areas where I flipped property? You want bios of the kids I mentor? You want pictures of me walking into liquor stores with black people standing in front of them? What?

I appreciate that you recognize the propensity for whites to overreact. That tells me that you’re not quick to do so. You probably know how to assert yourself verbally and with a little salt in it to let ‘em you’re not soft.

Still, you sound like a big ole fuzzmuffin. The idea that you were worried about being thrown on the tracks because you’re white is ridiculous.

Is that the sketchiest situation you’ve ever dealt with? Being stared down with an anonymous “black guy” in your face?

Fear fear buddy. Acting like a mark will get your bumped.

You don’t like that I singled you out. I don’t think you’re as wussified as most white-Americans are with regards to black-Americans. I just don’t have the fear gene for dogs or people.

You’d laugh if you knew what scares me.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 4:28 PM

your head bumped

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 4:28 PM

You’d laugh if you knew what scares me.

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Mom cutting off the internet.

katy the mean old lady on December 5, 2012 at 4:42 PM

IlikedAUH2O on December 5, 2012 at 12:25 PM
I’m married to a former Marine who thinks that I’m the bomb-and I AM cute…in a ‘psycho’ sort of way. *grin*

annoyinglittletwerp on December 5, 2012 at 4:45 PM

A Murdoch rag doing something disgusting?

Exploitative death photos…phone hacking of dead 13 year old girl…bribery to American servicemen in Iraq…all in a day’s work at a Murdoch newspaper. No wonder the Pope made him a knight!!

ZippyZ on December 5, 2012 at 5:07 PM

This is the MTA we’re talking about here — the state burr racy that takes two years to fix a subway escalator. If you think they could do better with adjustable platform doors, you have more faith in government competence than I do.

jon1979 on December 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Of course they would have to contract it out ;)

cptacek on December 5, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Cindy Munford on December 5, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Thanks means a lot. I am going to pass this to my family. The isolation of the event is tearing at them. As someone else mentioned, people have learned to block out reality. When reality intrudes, it is hard to compute

entagor on December 5, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Capitalist Hog on December 5, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Given the over-abundance of evidence, around the world, being cautious in certain conditions is only common sense.

OldEnglish on December 5, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Oh. The liberal media is outraged that The Post ran that picture?

Remember when they said we needed to see a dying Marine?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/06/dying-marine-fury-america-afghanistan

Remember when they said we needed to see the incoming coffins at Dover?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/obama-makes-surprise-overnight-visit-to-dover-to-honor-troops-killed-in-afghanistan.php

You would have to dig deep to find bigger hypocrites.

hawkdriver on December 5, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Terp Mole on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Your description of the “knockout game” looks a lot like European-American history, only in reverse and on a much smaller scale.

Alpha_Male on December 5, 2012 at 12:22 PM

How the f@ck can you live with yourself? Are you actually trying to say the people getting sucker punched deserve it because they’re white or Asian.

It took a lot time but I finally hate liberals. There is no end to what you can rationalize for what you do. Fighting to not wish some random ill fortune comes to you.

My God!

hawkdriver on December 5, 2012 at 7:04 PM

took a “long” time …

I still hate you.

hawkdriver on December 5, 2012 at 7:05 PM

How the f@ck can you live with yourself? Are you actually trying to say the people getting sucker punched deserve it because they’re white or Asian.

It took a lot time but I finally hate liberals. There is no end to what you can rationalize for what you do. Fighting to not wish some random ill fortune comes to you.

My God!

hawkdriver on December 5, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Liberals are settling in and starting to feel secure in their power. They will let their inner Stalin out. It is just a matter of time.

tom daschle concerned on December 5, 2012 at 7:07 PM

What to do if you fall (or are pushed) onto the tracks:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/05/new-york-subway-death-what-to-do-fall-on-the-subway-tracks_n_2245162.html

FWIW.

MrLynn on December 5, 2012 at 7:08 PM

From the HuffPost article above:

The best thing you can do is run as far down the platform as you can (in the opposite direction from where the train enters the station) and wave your arms frantically to get the train operator and passenger’s attention. Believe me, the passengers WILL be doing the exact same thing, as nobody wants to see you get run over and their train get delayed. If you can get to the far end of the platform, it gives the train more room to stop, and there is a ladder at the end of each platform where you can climb back up — do NOT try to climb up from where you are. So many people have been killed trying to jump back up rather than getting away from the entrance end of the station.

Something to remember. . .

MrLynn on December 5, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Is it true that the train only traveled 15 feet past where it struck the man?

tom daschle concerned on December 5, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Liberals are settling in and starting to feel secure in their power. They will let their inner Stalin out. It is just a matter of time.

tom daschle concerned on December 5, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Absolutely true that evil emboldens as it takes ground. And Stalin’s already out, in my opinion. See government officials making up “swamp gas” explanations without even considering that they can’t lie to the public; see crates of rifles going over the border, murders, and no one going to jail; see the Executive changing the law while ignoring completely the will of the people, existing law, and the judiciary.

They are Fascists, and they are winning at the moment.

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Did that open an opportunity to post irrelevant out of context and edited comments here?
 
lester on November 24, 2012 at 1:14 PM

 
Old/busted:
 

Is it better to live in the fiction you create than the reality you dislike?
 
Alpha_Male on November 27, 2012 at 2:20 PM

 
New week-later hotness:
 

Your description of the “knockout game” looks a lot like European-American history, only in reverse and on a much smaller scale.
 
Alpha_Male on December 5, 2012 at 12:22 PM

 

rogerb on December 5, 2012 at 8:17 PM

…where is lobotomy lester…lobotomyfreeordie…& HotLips comments?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Alpha_Male, are you a black man?

hawkdriver on December 5, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Perhaps the unfortunate victim would have been alive today if his parents had given him “The Talk“:

http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/print#axzz1rC3fsLMv

Chessplayer on December 5, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Wait, is this the same CNN that ran footage of snipers shooting US soldiers in Iraq?

Captain Kirock on December 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM

No – it’s the same CNN that showed nearly-live footage a sniper KILLING an American G.I., with the cameraman BEHIND to Terrorist Sniper – and made SURE to show the body hit the ground, and THEN were Celebrating and High-Fiving Each other WITHOUT notifying the Soldier’s family……who found out about their son’s death by watching that footage on CNN!!

williamg on December 6, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Alpha_Male on December 5, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Oh, spare us. No people is perfect–and guess what? That includes you–but Europe and America civilized the world and created a better life for millions of people, before we capitulated to whining anti-Westernism. Traditional European and American cultures are vastly superior to any other, and if you’d like evidence of that, try visiting one of the non-Western hellholes you doubtless extoll. Your precious multiculturalism has introduced to us cultures that, like the yeast that ruins the dough, will lead to unspeakable misery if we continue to pretend other cultures are equal.

DrMagnolias on December 6, 2012 at 6:04 AM

The Post should give large chunks of money to that man’s family, but as for the “outrage” over the photo, this is what people want to see. This is a voyeuristic nation where we’re obsessed with reality shows, celebrities, and celebrity Presidents. The people complaining the loudest probably have multiple copies of the paper locked in away in a closet.

Daemonocracy on December 6, 2012 at 3:07 PM

And I wonder if Bob Costas will call for the banning of subway trains this Sunday.

Daemonocracy on December 6, 2012 at 3:12 PM

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