Quotes of the day

posted at 10:21 pm on December 5, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

The White House hardened its position that Congress should raise the U.S.’s borrowing limit without preconditions, adding an unpredictable new element into the high-stakes budget talks.

In a Wednesday speech to top corporate chiefs, President Barack Obama said he wouldn’t negotiate with Republicans on this issue as he did in 2011.

“I want to send a very clear message to people here: We are not going to play that game next year,” Mr. Obama said in remarks to the Business Roundtable, a trade group. He said Washington needs to “break that habit before it starts,” referring to the way Republicans would like to use the debt limit to negotiate further spending cuts.

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Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) says Republican threats to allow the debt limit to expire next year have no credibility. …

“I think they learned their lesson with the debt ceiling, I don’t think it’s leverage for them at all,” Schumer told reporters Wednesday. …

“I think they’ve learned that mistake and any talk that that is leverage for them is false,” he added.

***

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) signaled Wednesday that she didn’t want the debt ceiling – and its accompanying drama – wrapped up in the fiscal cliff negotiations.

“Well I don’t think the debt ceiling has a place in all of this,” she told reporters on Wednesday. “I think that we continue the McConnell rule.”

The so-called “McConnell Rule” is a bit of procedure crafted by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) under the Budget Control Act. for raising the debt ceiling. It calls for the debt ceiling to increase, unless both chambers of Congress pass a resolution to block it. If that were to happen, Obama would veto it and send it back to Congress, which would need a two-thirds majority to override the veto. This process is a way to symbolically put the onus on raising the debt limit on the president.

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Portman, in a letter he plans to send to President Obama, says he opposes the White House proposal, floated last week, to permanently roll back congressional oversight of the debt ceiling.

The Ohio Republican, who once served as budget chief to President George W. Bush, adds that the debt limit has historically been lawmakers’ best opportunity to get the federal budget in line, and reminds the president that he once voted against a debt ceiling increase.

“For Congress to surrender its control over the debt limit would be to permanently surrender what has long provided the best opportunity to enact bipartisan deficit reduction legislation,” Portman writes in a letter he is currently circulating among colleagues.

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If the debt ceiling were still what it used to be—nothing more than an opportunity, once a year or so, for the opposition party to give speeches on the floor decrying the majority’s profligate ways, followed by a pro forma vote to raise it—then they wouldn’t care about maintaining it. They want to keep it because the threat of economic calamity is a weapon they can use to extort policy concessions they wouldn’t be able to get otherwise. Grover Norquist even suggested we should have a hostage crisis every month. …

Eliminating the debt ceiling once and for all may seem like a secondary part of these negotiations, but Democrats really should push it to the forefront. Make Republicans defend the hostage-taking that they did in 2011 and the fact that they want the ability to do it again when it suits them. Maybe then we can finally slay this beast.

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The seemingly endless series of budget showdowns that have characterized the last two years has a lot of people frustrated, and understandably so. But I think it’s a mistake to attribute that pattern to a failure to seriously bargain, as many critics suggest. It is in fact the only plausible outcome of bargaining given our increasingly problematic fiscal situation. A lasting bargain — a middle-ground deal that provides a solution that endures for many years, of the sort reached in the 80s and 90s — is not really going to be possible in this situation. And the frustration about this has to do with a failure to grasp just what our situation is, and just how different the goals of the two parties are at this point. …

Over and over, the two parties basically try to position themselves in ways that will let them get nearer their versions of deficit politics in the next showdown. What result are all “middle ground” agreements that avert immediate catastrophe by setting up further decision points to come. They are not “grand bargain” agreements that set us on a sustainable course toward fiscal sanity. And there is a reason for that: Broadly understood, the two parties’ goals are not exactly about the budget but about the nature of the government we have, and now that we have entered the lean years of the welfare state they are not quite commensurate.

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Barack Obama says his election victory is a mandate to pursue the policy course he’s insisting on in negotiations with Republicans on the fiscal cliff. He wants a tax increase of $1.6 trillion, $50 billion of new and immediate stimulus spending and the end of congressional approval to raise the ceiling on U.S. debt—the debt that a ratings agency downgraded in 2011.

The campaign stump speech in which Mr. Obama demanded that Congress cede him control over the debt ceiling slips my mind. But we all recall his repeated cries for increasing taxes on “the wealthiest” ($200,000 individual/$250,000 joint), so arguably he has a claim to that. Consequences do come with the democratic habit of holding elections. …

The message of the 2010 election, for Republicans anyway, was unambiguous: Slow down the runaway public-spending train, the spending train that caused the nation’s voters to torch and punish Republicans in the 2006 midterms.

On the available evidence, a Republican who forgets those recent elections is headed for retirement. So naturally Barack Obama wants John Boehner and the Republicans in control of the House to forget those elections.

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KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

…Bmore!

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:22 PM

…angry mike…are you on leave too?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:22 PM

…Flora Duh?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Stop right now!! Lol!!

Evenin’

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM

…AllahsNippleHair?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Stop right now!! Lol!!

Evenin’

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM

….someone say hi to Scrumpy!

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:24 PM

RIP Dave Brubeck

d1carter on December 5, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Just popped in to say:

Good evening mateys!!

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:25 PM

I have limits….

Moochers do not..

Welcome to Post America.

Electrongod on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

The White House hardened its position that Congress should raise the U.S.’s borrowing limit without preconditions, adding an unpredictable new element into the high-stakes budget talks.

…what comes after trillion ?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Thanks for the pics Scrumpy. Love the new tattoo on your tush.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Olbermann being Olbermann: https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/275569878939865088

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:27 PM

…what comes after trillion ?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

a trillion and one.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:27 PM

…what comes after trillion ?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Bankruptcy.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:28 PM

GREEDY politicians are like death and fire……..NEVER satisfied.

PappyD61 on December 5, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Tell Sparky I said Hi, oh and Lanceman too, and Jackie and Axe and JP and Canopfor and Koolaid2 and Arnold and ALT! and and and and everyone else!!

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM

“Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide.” ~ W. Churchill

“let it burn.”~davidk, et al

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM

…what comes after trillion ?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Call waiting.

Electrongod on December 5, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Barack Obama says his election victory is a mandate to pursue the policy course he’s insisting on in negotiations with Republicans on the fiscal cliff. He wants a tax increase of $1.6 trillion, $50 billion of new and immediate stimulus spending

…YOU…have to pay off the folks that got JugEars elected…but this time no promise from Joe Biteme to watch over “every dollar”…it worked so well the last time. 50 Billion?…cheap basturd!

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM

The so-called “McConnell Rule” is a bit of procedure crafted by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) under the Budget Control Act. for raising the debt ceiling. It calls for the debt ceiling to increase, unless both chambers of Congress pass a resolution to block it. If that were to happen, Obama would veto it and send it back to Congress, which would need a two-thirds majority to override the veto. This process is a way to symbolically put the onus on raising the debt limit on the president.

I didn’t understand the bit in Atlas Shrugged about shirking responsibility. The bad guys always blamed someone else and tried to make sure they were never the one responsible for anything.

I get it now. It’s truly an integrated component of the looter mind.

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Yours are to die for, the gals simply went gaga!! Playgirl called and want to do a spread of ur pics!

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM

*ones

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Caving like the GOP did in August of 2011 (yep we spent $2.4 trillion in less than 14 months) getting ZERO budget cuts but not shutting down government and forcing real spending cuts worked so well for us in 2012.

Friends, that was when we lost 2012.

jukin3 on December 5, 2012 at 10:35 PM

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

You do know that sexting by teenagers isn’t risk free. :)

chemman on December 5, 2012 at 10:35 PM

MeanWhile…………………

Mediaite ‏@mediaite

WATCH: Hannity And Coulter Battle Over Whether House Republicans Should Give In To Obama On Taxes (VIDEO) http://mediaite.com/a/auphn

https://twitter.com/mediaite
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Hannity And Coulter Battle Over Whether House Republicans Should Give In To Obama On Taxes
video
by Josh Feldman | 10:06 pm, December 5th, 2012
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hannity-and-coulter-battle-over-whether-house-republicans-should-give-in-to-obama-on-taxes/

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 10:35 PM

…what comes after trillion ?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Hyperinflation and Revolution.

What’s become of Eeyore?

rayra on December 5, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Yeah Baby.

*Austin Powers voice*

I might have to do some manscaping to cut away some underbrush so my tree trunk doesn’t look like a twig.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:37 PM

L.i.B.

I have seen the cliff..

Been down it..

Climbed out..

Many in America need to have this vacation spot..

Electrongod on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I got a hundred that says that the GOP caves in time to make sure 0bama gets to his 20 day vaco in Hawaii on time.

Do. Not. Doubt. Me.

jukin3 on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Hi from “everyone else”!!

KCB on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:37 PM

OMG!! You make sure you do that!!!! ;-)

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

…what comes after trillion ?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Zero.

Really.

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 10:39 PM

…what comes after trillion ?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

National divorce. It’s time. It’s long past time.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 5, 2012 at 10:40 PM

What’s become of Eeyore?

rayra on December 5, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Vaycay. Via Ed.

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

*hat-tip*

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 10:40 PM

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:37 PM

OMG!! You make sure you do that!!!! ;-)

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Get a room.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:41 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Monopoly money..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Good evening!..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I post-dicted that you would show up at 10:39 so I was only off by one minute. I could lie and say I pre-dicted 10:39 but I’m honest.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:43 PM

I have aquired a pet! A stray that was wandering around my apt complex… he is approx 1yr old, a beagle! so sweet natured and trained so well! I hope no one claims him back…

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Yeah give the parasite class President who has put us in more debt than any other President in history more power to put us in more in debt… How did these business owners lowered themselves and attended a meeting with this most incompetent fool?

mnjg on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

It is apparently clear that Mr. Oblahblah, et al., don’t have any concept that we will eventually be called upon to pay the money back…

… with interest.

Thanks media, couldn’t have done it without you…

Seven Percent Solution on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

why y’all so upset? I was told on here that Romney is the only one that can defeat Obama and he is waiting til the final.weeks to really stick it to him. OH WAIT….

GhoulAid on December 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

…Hi Dire!…the GOP will…b…e…t…r…a…y you!
…I don’t think you will have to look for Dave in California any longer…I think their tax rates will eliminate that whole area for your search!….DAVE ain’t dumb!
You’ll have more time for Hot Air!

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

The debt ceiling and the fiscal cliff. All a diversion.

Who ordered the stand down and why was Christopher Stevens in Benghazi on 9/11?

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 10:43 PM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I have aquired a pet! A stray that was wandering around my apt complex… he is approx 1yr old, a beagle! so sweet natured and trained so well! I hope no one claims him back…

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

It’s mine. I’ll email you my address.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

LoLz..Who do we trust??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 10:47 PM

I have aquired a pet! A stray that was wandering around my apt complex… he is approx 1yr old, a beagle! so sweet natured and trained so well! I hope no one claims him back…

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

mazel tov. I love happy endings. Praying for one for you and the new little guy. Had a beagle many years ago. Great dog.

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:47 PM

The debt ceiling and the fiscal cliff. All a diversion.

Who ordered the stand down and why was Christopher Stevens in Benghazi on 9/11?

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Plus the fact that Obama wants our economy to crash.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I have aquired a pet! A stray that was wandering around my apt complex… he is approx 1yr old, a beagle! so sweet natured and trained so well! I hope no one claims him back…

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

…how do you know how old it might be?…did it have an Indonesian birth certificate?

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

EAT THE RICH: 52% TAX RATE IN CA

Income tax will exceed 50% in California, Hawaii, and New York City… Developing…

Drudge Headline

Isn’t there a song….It’s Only Just Begun?

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Prove it!! :-P…
.
.
.
CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Yes they are :-)

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

His teeth, and he looks like a young dog!

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:51 PM

The debt ceiling and the fiscal cliff. All a diversion.

Who ordered the stand down and why was Christopher Stevens in Benghazi on 9/11?

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadis’ Hands… Drudge

Maybe a part of the answer?

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Isn’t there a song….It’s Only Just Begun?

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Clouds in my Coffee…

Electrongod on December 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Why don’t we start with the limits on spending (or anything for that matter) liberals feel are hard and fast, oh wait! Liberals have no limits, or standards, or ethics, or logic, suppose there’s a link?

Speakup on December 5, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Clouds in my Coffee…

Electrongod on December 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

roflmao….perfect timing as Greta on On The Record just went through the list of effects Sarin Gas has on the human body just in the one minute prior to death. Praying for those people. (and us)

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:55 PM

EAT THE RICH: 52% TAX RATE IN CA

Income tax will exceed 50% in California, Hawaii, and New York City… Developing…

Drudge Headline

Isn’t there a song….It’s Only Just Begun?

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM

…yes!…the BILLIONAIRES & MILLIONAIRES making $200,000 dollars a year…then the RICH will be $100,000…then $70,000…then $40,000!…its always incremental with those people!

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:55 PM

:)

I crossed my fingers after posting that..
I had just realized your screen name had Coffee in it …

Electrongod on December 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

perfect timing as Greta on On The Record just went through the list of effects Sarin Gas has on the human body just in the one minute prior to death. Praying for those people. (and us)

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:55 PM

…time to send Pelosi over there to see the “reformist” in Syria…and for Hillary to have a wine tasting party with the women in the streets of Cairo!

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Plus the fact that Obama wants our economy to crash.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

And then what happens?

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Koolaid2………….isn’t it. And we can’t forget how “evil” those people are either!!!

Electrongod……………as I said, needed the chuckle.

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Prove it!! :-P…

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM

It’s black and tan and white and has young teeth.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Plus the fact that Obama wants our economy to crash.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

And then what happens?

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

…we eat Bo!

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Republicans say, “No way” to ceding debt limit power

WASHINGTON | Wed Dec 5, 2012 8:23pm EST
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(Reuters) – Republican lawmakers took a firm stand on Wednesday against an Obama administration proposal that would make it easier for the president to increase the nation’s debt limit, worried it would undercut their leverage to cut government spending.

Republicans introduced a non-binding resolution in the House of Representatives that, if approved, would put the chamber on record opposing the plan, and a Senate Republican began circulating a letter to President Barack Obama saying it was critical that Congress’ role in setting the limit not change.

As part of its opening bid to Republicans in talks to avoid the “fiscal cliff” of $600 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts set to hit the economy at the start of 2013,

the administration proposed allowing the president to initiate hikes in the debt limit, which now stands at $16.4 trillion.

If Congress denied the request, he could then veto the decision.

It would take a super-majority in both the House and Senate to override the veto,

meaning the increase would almost certainly move ahead.

The White House wants any fiscal cliff deal to include a borrowing cap hike to avoid a repeat of last year’s bruising debt limit fight, which unnerved markets and led to the loss of the nation’s top-tier credit rating.

The idea of giving the president the authority to veto a debt limit denial was first proposed by Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell during 2011′s fight over the cap. It was put in place on a temporary basis as part of last year’s broader budget deal,

but the administration wants to make the policy permanent.

The idea that the president would give himself the ability

“to raise the debt limit infinitely at any time he wants

is the definition of insanity,” said Arizona Republican Representative Trent Franks.

Wyoming Republican Representative Cynthia Lummis called it

“an unprecedented power grab,”

while Ohio Republican Representative Pat Tiberi said

Obama was in “la la land.”

(More…)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/06/us-usa-fiscal-debt-idUSBRE8B501720121206

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 11:05 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 11:01 PM

lol…all that SMART POWER in this administration huh?

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 11:05 PM

And then what happens?

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Implementation of the Soros plan.

wolfsDad on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Thanks..

Electrongod on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

============================

Hannity And Coulter Battle Over Whether House Republicans Should Give In To Obama On Taxes
video
by Josh Feldman | 10:06 pm, December 5th, 2012
**********************************************

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hannity-and-coulter-battle-over-whether-house-republicans-should-give-in-to-obama-on-taxes/

canopfor

Haven’t seen the clip, but if recent history is any indication, I’m guessing Ann recommends giving in. After all, it’s not like taxes have never been raised before.

xblade on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM
Lol!! He has a very distinct mark on his back, can u elaborate?

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Middle Income earners pushed into 40% tax rate in UK

Coming soon to our neighborhood if the progressives have their way. These people will now effectively work for 4.86 months of the years to support their government before they are allowed to keep a single penny of their own income.

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Haven’t seen the clip, but if recent history is any indication, I’m guessing Ann recommends giving in. After all, it’s not like taxes have never been raised before.

xblade on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

She did exactly that.

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Plus the fact that Obama wants our economy to crash.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

And then what happens?

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Full blown Marxism. Martial law. Suspended elections. Disappearing dissidents. Re-education camps. Euthanized old people and mentally and physically handicapped people.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

roflmao….perfect timing as Greta on On The Record just went through the list of effects Sarin Gas has on the human body just in the one minute prior to death. Praying for those people. (and us)

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 10:55 PM

coffeeLover:Yup:)
=================

******************** ALERT **********************

OnGoing Story for Two Days….

More: Syrian military has loaded the precursor chemicals for sarin, deadly nerve gas, into aerial bombs, US officials tell @NBCNews

2 hours ago from worldnews.nbcnews.com by editor
====================================================

Syria loads chemical weapons into bombs; military awaits Assad’s order

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/05/15706380-syria-loads-chemical-weapons-into-bombs-military-awaits-assads-order?lite?ocid=twitter

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 10:28 PM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 11:09 PM

xblade on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Dial down to the Ryan/Rubio thread..:)

Dire Straits on December 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Vaycay. Via Ed.

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Danke.

rayra on December 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM
Lol!! He has a very distinct mark on his back, can u elaborate?

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

It’s a very distinct heart shape–unless, of course, you’ve had it altered. Hmmm?

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I didn’t understand the bit in Atlas Shrugged about shirking responsibility. The bad guys always blamed someone else and tried to make sure they were never the one responsible for anything.

I get it now. It’s truly an integrated component of the looter mind.

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM

The other thing I’ve noticed is that they try to turn us all into thought criminals by claiming 1/2 the English language is a dog whistle or a code word for racists, sexists and homophobes. There is always something we should be feeling guilty about. The trolls here use a standard tactic. They throw the things they think we stand for in our face to try to portray us as being hypocrites and/or dishonest. They could care less about those values, but they think we do and they try to use them to invalidate our opinions. Leftist are very ugly people.

Night Owl on December 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM

canopfor….also see headline trailer saying USS Eisenhower now off the coast of Syria.

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Pardon me if I’m way off but as I understand it when Nixon and his merry band of actual geniuses were faced with a monetary crisis they took the Breton Woods system, ended the gold standard and created our current fiat money system.

I think its supposed to work because our government would be terrified of the collapse caused by extending the dollar out so far that its worthlessness would stem bond investors interest in buying.

Democrats aren’t terrified of collapse anymore, in fact they seem to embrace the resulting chaos collapse would bring.

If history repeats and there’s no reason to think it won’t, collapse and chaos brings totalitarianism, and the ultimate level of control.

Speakup on December 5, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Hi Miss Jackie.

KCB on December 5, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I lost a dog named Scruffy that has teeth and barks. Perhaps it was Scrumpy who stole it from me.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 11:13 PM

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Close but you don’t win a cookie!! :-)

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Haven’t seen the clip, but if recent history is any indication, I’m guessing Ann recommends giving in. After all, it’s not like taxes have never been raised before.

xblade on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

She did exactly that.

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

…saw it!…I think her breast augmentation blew up her brains too!

KOOLAID2 on December 5, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

It is the shape of a dog bone.

KCB on December 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

(Reuters) – Republican lawmakers took a firm stand on Wednesday against an Obama administration proposal that would make it easier for the president to increase the nation’s debt limit,

The Executive branch can’t appropriate any money for spending so I don’t even know how this idea makes any sort of sense, at all. Not that the Constitution has stopped the Indonesian or his junta or the retard running the SCOTASS … but even so this is incredibly stupid and nonsensical, which is no mean feat given the insane asylum that is the American Socialist Superstate.

Just this proposal, on its own, is another impeachable act, as this is clearly another naked power grab by the White House into territory that it is Constitutionally barred from trying to enter. It’s a shame that we have nothing but cowards in Congress and for our punditry who would never bring this up …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

She did exactly that.

JPeterman

Figures. That’s pretty much the norm for her these days.

xblade on December 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

If your dink is covered with the lingering traces of cat claw scratches and tooth punctures that have yet to heal you could be Jackie’s friend.

SparkPlug on December 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

KCB on December 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Nice try lol

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Full blown Marxism. Martial law. Suspended elections. Disappearing dissidents. Re-education camps. Euthanized old people and mentally and physically handicapped people.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

I already did that.

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

KCB on December 5, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Good evening, Ken! It’s very nice to see you this evening. How’ve you been? :)

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

canopfor….also see headline trailer saying USS Eisenhower now off the coast of Syria.

CoffeeLover on December 5, 2012 at 11:11 PM

http://reason.com/24-7/2012/12/05/uss-eisenhower-arrives-near-syrian-borde

Think Bronco will pull the trigger?

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

canopfor

Haven’t seen the clip, but if recent history is any indication, I’m guessing Ann recommends giving in. After all, it’s not like taxes have never been raised before.

xblade on December 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

xblade:Yup,go along,get a long,…ugh!:)

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I already did that.

JPeterman on December 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

And people won’t listen. Sad.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I have aquired a pet! A stray that was wandering around my apt complex… he is approx 1yr old, a beagle! so sweet natured and trained so well! I hope no one claims him back…

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

It’s mine. I’ll email you my address.

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM

And just who the eff are you, Dave…The White House Chef?

;>)

Laura in Maryland on December 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Dial down to the Ryan/Rubio thread..:)

Dire Straits

I’m guessing more of the same? Ugggh…no thanks.

xblade on December 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Figures. That’s pretty much the norm for her these days.

xblade on December 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

One would think that after Coulter’s disaster with that pig from New Jersey she was constantly shilling for that she would STFU for a while but it seems that the Jersey back-stabbing traitor just made Ann go even crazier. What a shame. She used to be a reliable conservative. Now, she’s not worth dogsh#t and would be better off keeping her mouth shut.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM

davidk on December 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

I am out for the count then eh…

God help the infirm!!

Scrumpy on December 5, 2012 at 11:19 PM

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