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posted at 10:21 pm on December 5, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

The White House hardened its position that Congress should raise the U.S.’s borrowing limit without preconditions, adding an unpredictable new element into the high-stakes budget talks.

In a Wednesday speech to top corporate chiefs, President Barack Obama said he wouldn’t negotiate with Republicans on this issue as he did in 2011.

“I want to send a very clear message to people here: We are not going to play that game next year,” Mr. Obama said in remarks to the Business Roundtable, a trade group. He said Washington needs to “break that habit before it starts,” referring to the way Republicans would like to use the debt limit to negotiate further spending cuts.

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Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) says Republican threats to allow the debt limit to expire next year have no credibility. …

“I think they learned their lesson with the debt ceiling, I don’t think it’s leverage for them at all,” Schumer told reporters Wednesday. …

“I think they’ve learned that mistake and any talk that that is leverage for them is false,” he added.

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) signaled Wednesday that she didn’t want the debt ceiling – and its accompanying drama – wrapped up in the fiscal cliff negotiations.

“Well I don’t think the debt ceiling has a place in all of this,” she told reporters on Wednesday. “I think that we continue the McConnell rule.”

The so-called “McConnell Rule” is a bit of procedure crafted by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) under the Budget Control Act. for raising the debt ceiling. It calls for the debt ceiling to increase, unless both chambers of Congress pass a resolution to block it. If that were to happen, Obama would veto it and send it back to Congress, which would need a two-thirds majority to override the veto. This process is a way to symbolically put the onus on raising the debt limit on the president.

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Portman, in a letter he plans to send to President Obama, says he opposes the White House proposal, floated last week, to permanently roll back congressional oversight of the debt ceiling.

The Ohio Republican, who once served as budget chief to President George W. Bush, adds that the debt limit has historically been lawmakers’ best opportunity to get the federal budget in line, and reminds the president that he once voted against a debt ceiling increase.

“For Congress to surrender its control over the debt limit would be to permanently surrender what has long provided the best opportunity to enact bipartisan deficit reduction legislation,” Portman writes in a letter he is currently circulating among colleagues.

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If the debt ceiling were still what it used to be—nothing more than an opportunity, once a year or so, for the opposition party to give speeches on the floor decrying the majority’s profligate ways, followed by a pro forma vote to raise it—then they wouldn’t care about maintaining it. They want to keep it because the threat of economic calamity is a weapon they can use to extort policy concessions they wouldn’t be able to get otherwise. Grover Norquist even suggested we should have a hostage crisis every month. …

Eliminating the debt ceiling once and for all may seem like a secondary part of these negotiations, but Democrats really should push it to the forefront. Make Republicans defend the hostage-taking that they did in 2011 and the fact that they want the ability to do it again when it suits them. Maybe then we can finally slay this beast.

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The seemingly endless series of budget showdowns that have characterized the last two years has a lot of people frustrated, and understandably so. But I think it’s a mistake to attribute that pattern to a failure to seriously bargain, as many critics suggest. It is in fact the only plausible outcome of bargaining given our increasingly problematic fiscal situation. A lasting bargain — a middle-ground deal that provides a solution that endures for many years, of the sort reached in the 80s and 90s — is not really going to be possible in this situation. And the frustration about this has to do with a failure to grasp just what our situation is, and just how different the goals of the two parties are at this point. …

Over and over, the two parties basically try to position themselves in ways that will let them get nearer their versions of deficit politics in the next showdown. What result are all “middle ground” agreements that avert immediate catastrophe by setting up further decision points to come. They are not “grand bargain” agreements that set us on a sustainable course toward fiscal sanity. And there is a reason for that: Broadly understood, the two parties’ goals are not exactly about the budget but about the nature of the government we have, and now that we have entered the lean years of the welfare state they are not quite commensurate.

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Barack Obama says his election victory is a mandate to pursue the policy course he’s insisting on in negotiations with Republicans on the fiscal cliff. He wants a tax increase of $1.6 trillion, $50 billion of new and immediate stimulus spending and the end of congressional approval to raise the ceiling on U.S. debt—the debt that a ratings agency downgraded in 2011.

The campaign stump speech in which Mr. Obama demanded that Congress cede him control over the debt ceiling slips my mind. But we all recall his repeated cries for increasing taxes on “the wealthiest” ($200,000 individual/$250,000 joint), so arguably he has a claim to that. Consequences do come with the democratic habit of holding elections. …

The message of the 2010 election, for Republicans anyway, was unambiguous: Slow down the runaway public-spending train, the spending train that caused the nation’s voters to torch and punish Republicans in the 2006 midterms.

On the available evidence, a Republican who forgets those recent elections is headed for retirement. So naturally Barack Obama wants John Boehner and the Republicans in control of the House to forget those elections.

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thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Thanks, Jackie!

INC on December 6, 2012 at 12:41 AM

r keller on December 6, 2012 at 12:35 AM

I’m also a bit worried about the fabric of the tea party. Armney leaving Freedom Works with an eight million dollar payout, and the president using FW staff to research and write a book he retains all royalty rights on,….I’m not too sure how solid that foundation is anymore. Hard to trust anyone in power positions, regardless of ideology.

a capella on December 6, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Smooth Operator – Sade

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 12:44 AM

The EU, but in particular, Britain, is your template. Obama seeks to copy what they’ve done and the results will inevitably be similar if we don’t come to our senses as a nation and elect some fiscally responsible leaders.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Assume we don’t follow the EU, Britain (if you have a mind). Assume we do elect fiscally responsible leaders. What then?

I am trying to find a path out. I can’t imagine the GOP repealing Obama’s government healthcare system. The closest any of the leadership has come is “repeal and replace” — which means piecemeal patching. I can imagine them reforming the tax code. I can’t imagine them balancing the budget, because they don’t want to cut what has to be cut anymore than the bad guys do. They are acting like they are in mortal fear of losing more political power than anything.

If you mean truly fiscally responsible — that’s a place where we’re asking God for a miracle (no disdain intended).

As we’ve both said many times, the pendulum swings. But I’ll be buttered and dipped in gravy if I can see the mechanical path it can possibly travel.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone.

Please let me share this image I captured early this morning: Mercury, Venus and Saturn aligned in the pre-dawn sky over Pudong district, Shanghai.

Definitely worth a look if any of you are out before dawn in the next few days.

DarkCurrent on December 6, 2012 at 12:51 AM

I played in a small jazz group in college and we attempted Take Five. Hardest damn song I ever tried. We had a good sax guy who handled the melody fine, but that 5/4 time surely did screw up the rest of us. We finally admitted defeat and retreated in humiliation.:)

a capella on December 6, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Please let me share this image I captured early this morning: Mercury, Venus and Saturn aligned in the pre-dawn sky over Pudong district, Shanghai.

DarkCurrent on December 6, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Street is so quiet.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:01 AM

and they will force this nation ( as our largest trading partner) to provide for their defense needs.

The question is… if we go the same route.. who provides for OUR defense needs… as well as theirs?

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Mexico can be Mexico ’cause of us; Canada can be Canada. All of our allies can clink socialist glasses because we’ve been their military. This particular realignment will probably be the outline the history books use to explain America/Post-America, even though no one at the moment is thinking about it — assuming the ship isn’t turned.

I would end it anyway. The clinking has been giving me a headache for years.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:06 AM

*********** PopCorn Alert ****************(sarc)

The Associated Press ‏@AP

Egypt’s Interior Ministry says clashes between president’s supporters, opponents kill at least 3: http://apne.ws/WKRf8p – VW
==================================================================

Overnight clashes in Cairo kill 3, crisis worsens
Dec. 6 12:45 AM EST
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/egypts-interior-ministry-clashes-between-presidents-supporters-opponents-kill-least-3

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 1:07 AM

*********** PopCorn Alert ****************(sarc)

The Associated Press ‏@AP

Egypt’s Interior Ministry says clashes between president’s supporters, opponents kill at least 3: http://apne.ws/WKRf8p – VW
==================================================================

Overnight clashes in Cairo kill 3, crisis worsens
Dec. 6 12:45 AM EST
*******************

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/egypts-interior-ministry-clashes-between-presidents-supporters-opponents-kill-least-3

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Well for the love of Allah, somebody please throw some gasoline over Cairo…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Street is so quiet.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Nice and quiet for a change :)

It was a bit before 06:00 and that street (Century Avenue) is mostly office buildings, so it doesn’t start to get busy until about 07:00.

DarkCurrent on December 6, 2012 at 1:09 AM

When the Defense Bill, aka National Defense Authorization Act was passed yesterday by the Senate, an amendment was offered by S. Durbin and S. Enzi to tax the Internet. The S.bill is S.3254 and the House bill is H.R.4310.

I can’t find if this amendment was passed along with the bill. There were 381 Amendments to this bill, so it probably was.

Mark Levin said the average person in Russia pays 13% Income tax, LOL At the rate this Admin. is going, we’ll be taxed into the poor house!! Seems they are taxing anything that moves and doesn’t move.

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 1:11 AM

My bad. I’ll brood quietly. :) I bummed the thread or something. Not like Boehner is going to call me for advice anyway. But that’s his problem — he’d learn something.

Ahem.

Kryptonite.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:13 AM

In The End

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:19 AM

** Alert… Goon Deployment ***

Egyptian military deploys in main street outside presidential palace after protests – @Reuters witness

Dec. 6, 2012, 6:15 a.m. GMT by editor

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 12:49 AM

The fact is that there is nothing that can be enacted, by pen to paper, that can’t be negated the same way. It takes necessity as the motivator to force them to do so, particularly with a political class that is dedicated to self interest. This is where the notion that things will have to become so stark and desperate that it forces those in a political position to act to do so is likely true. It is my sincere hope that they will act through self interest, to save their jobs, since they will not act simply to save our nation. WE must make it clear to them that they will lose their positions of wealth can comfort, ensconced in the seats of power, if they fail to act in OUR ( the nation’s) best interest. Romney only lost by about 4 million votes. 94 million eligible voters failed to cast a ballot.

There is one other awful possibility if our politicians will not act in our obvious best interest. It is the same ‘solution’ that they’ve let evolve time and time again. You know how that would play out as well as I do. You’re well acquainted with history. Every time the global economy requires resetting, nations crave productivity and purpose, debts need to be negated, boundaries need to be affirmed or reset, the arc of history follows the same path.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Sorry it took so long for me to respond. I gave it some thought, wrote one long response, thought it was too depressing and a little ( okay… maybe a lot) too stark and to the point, so I edited it and rephrased some points, omitted a few others. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 1:24 AM

The White House hardened its position that Congress should raise the U.S.’s borrowing limit without preconditions

It should be lowered without preconditions.

FloatingRock on December 6, 2012 at 1:24 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Well for the love of Allah, somebody please throw some gasoline over Cairo…

SWalker on December 6, 2012 at 1:09 AM

SWalker:Lol,The Islamic Moderates in action….:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Gonna Rain Today – Moore

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 1:27 AM

INC on December 6, 2012 at 12:38 AM

My pleasure..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2012 at 1:28 AM

I haven’t read the comments, been Christmas shopping. Just came from Breitbart which has an interesting article. Headline reads:
The president and CEO of conservative group American Majority Action (AMA) is demanding Republicans band together to fire House Speaker John Boehner.

Ryun pointed out, too, that if conservatives want to unseat Boehner, they’d only need 16 members to abstain from supporting him in January. That’s because Boehner needs 218 votes to become Speaker again. Seeing as there are 233 House Republicans next Congress, and assuming no Democrats would vote for Boehner as Speaker, if 16 conservative Republicans abstain from voting, Boehner wouldn’t regain the Speakership.

The big if that I see is that I would think some Dems would vote for him, just to keep him in. That’s my opinion anyway.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/05/Only-16-conservatives-necessary-to-unseat-Boehner-as-Speaker-group-says

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 1:29 AM

And now,Armour Deployment!

More: 3 tanks, 2 armored troop carriers deploy outside Egyptian presidential palace in street that was scene of protests – @Reuters

Dec. 6, 2012, 6:19 a.m. GMT by editor

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 1:30 AM

DarkCurrent on December 6, 2012 at 12:51 AM

That’s lovely.

INC on December 6, 2012 at 1:31 AM

I Love You More Than You’ll Ever Know -Moore

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 1:32 AM

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Took a while to dig out your amendment. :) In the bill summary, it isn’t described. And the “Marketplace Fairness Act” has now been pasted into the middle of an entirely different piece of legislation.

Slimy, sick little *************.

*deep breath*

Apologies.

Anyway, here it is:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/R?r112:FLD001:S57243

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:36 AM

*307. S.AMDT.3231

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:37 AM

I Love A Rainy Night

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:38 AM

That’s lovely.

INC on December 6, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Thank you :)

DarkCurrent on December 6, 2012 at 1:43 AM

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Russia has a flat tax. 13% across the board.

Everybody pays the same rate.

And, according to what I’ve heard about it, they are collecting more ‘revenue’ than ever before…and very few complain because everybody gets hit with the same bite (rate).
(And, on that note, they are rebuilding their military – as we cut ours back. They already have better ICBMs and IRBMs than what we use.)

Solaratov on December 6, 2012 at 1:44 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Thanks for the scoop. (:

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 1:47 AM

(And, on that note, they are rebuilding their military – as we cut ours back. They already have better ICBMs and IRBMs than what we use.)

Solaratov on December 6, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Bump. :)

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:57 AM

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Nice to see you again, jackie. Haven’t seen you since the nuclear bomb detonated, thought you were a goner. As for myself, I’m still suffering the effects of massive radiation sickness and don’t visit nearly as often.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:00 AM

Oh, and btw, Hot Air ranked number one conservative site. Again.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:01 AM

The Latest Going on with Jihady Goons VRS.Jihady Goons!

Results for #egypt
Related: #tahrir, #syria, #مصر, #morsi

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23egypt
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Truth Mashup Radio ‏@truthmashup

3 demonstrators have died & 350 injured in clashes between opponents and supporters of #Egypt head of state Morsi http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=823783 … #poli

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:03 AM

Oh, and btw, Hot Air ranked number one conservative site. Again.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:01 AM

You’re welcome.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:03 AM

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 1:37 AM

I was afraid of something like that. Thanks so much for looking into that. I know it’s a pain in the … trying to find info.

Yes, they are slimy….

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 2:04 AM

*Egypt*

ColorMeRed ‏@ColorMeRed

Happy group (Morsi’s thugs) after killing 6 people and injuring 100′s of others https://www.youtube.com/embed/pwgJKcwmVi8 … #Egypt #MB
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/pwgJKcwmVi8

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Oh, and btw, Hot Air ranked number one conservative site. Again.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:01 AM

You’re welcome.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:03 AM

Axe:Lol:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:05 AM

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:03 AM

The article did mention the pithy comments by Axe were the reason why.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:05 AM

Oh, and btw, Hot Air ranked number one conservative site. Again.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:01 AM

You’re welcome.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:03 AM

Well during the AxeCott ratings fell so don’t go poof.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 2:06 AM

I think Jackie’s Tango Tunes help the ratings a lot.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 2:06 AM

canopfor’s link made this the number one source for hot news.

canopy is the new Drudge.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 2:09 AM

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:00 AM

Sorry, John, had to step away for a few moments.

I was extremely busy for awhile shutting down my consulting business. I’m a full time novelist, now. Also, there was some unexpected news from my doctor and some necessary changes.

I completely understand your feelings. I’m glad you’re back, too. My new philosophy is that we should remember to embrace the things we love, and let go of the things that make us miserable as much as that’s possible. I’m working very hard at it. So far, it’s helping very much.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 2:14 AM

canopfor’s link made this the number one source for hot news.

canopy is the new Drudge.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 2:09 AM

SparkPlug:Too kind,But I rarely go to Drudge!

Might as well get the news first,before Drudge has time to put them up!:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:15 AM

I’m a full time novelist, now.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 2:14 AM

You are blessed. How awesome. I’ll be among your first customers.

Yes, great philosophy. I’ve disengaged from political news for the most part and go by a live-and-let-live outlook. I’m not joining the let it burn sect; better for the heart to just disengage.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Spark Music – Chocolate Tango

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 2:20 AM

Might as well get the news first,before Drudge has time to put them up!:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Heh. :) And the nicest thing about the comment sections of Hot Air is the humility. :) After that, I think it’s probably the astonishing quality, and after that probably things more superficial, like the shapely, athletic buttocks of most HA commenters.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:22 AM

better for the heart to just disengage.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Funny. That’s almost word for word what my doctor said. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Funny. That’s almost word for word what my doctor said. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 2:23 AM

. . .

nevermind. :)

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:24 AM

the shapely, athletic buttocks of most HA commenters.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:22 AM

It’s the core training, baby. Check out my thighs.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:27 AM

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:24 AM

Very good…you’re getting close, there. LOL!

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 2:28 AM

Solaratov on December 6, 2012 at 1:44 AM

I didn’t know that they had a flat tax. Sounds like they took a page out of Reagan’s playbook:-) Not a flat tax, but when tax rates are lower, revenue increases.

Doesn’t surprise me they are building up their Military. Well, we know why our Country is cutting back. That Defense bill that was passed surely contained a lot of non-Defense items.

Up is down and down is up, as it’s been said:-)

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 2:30 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Heh. :) And the nicest thing about the comment sections of Hot Air is the humility. :) After that, I think it’s probably the astonishing quality, and after that probably things more superficial, like the shapely, athletic buttocks of most HA commenters.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Axe:Lol,

….Gluteus Maximus and Gluteus Mininus….blogging!!:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:22 AM

It’s the core training, baby. Check out my thighs.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2012 at 2:27 AM

John the Libertarian:Deep Squats,and the Finnish DeadLift Routine,
for the lower back:O

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:32 AM

Might as well get the news first,before Drudge has time to put them up!:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Did you ever read how Drudge makes so much money off of his website? I did and it was interesting.

I think you beat Drudge most of the time!! Well and most everyone else. Good job!

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 2:37 AM

:)

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Alas, I must bid you a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.

Something to inspire sweet and restful dreams.

Liebestraum- Liszt/Toivio

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Spark’s T-Shirt, if it could sing.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:43 AM

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Night Jackie. :)

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Looks like LIVE from Egypt,for how long,I don’t know!

http://reuters.livestation.com/demo

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:49 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Did you ever read how Drudge makes so much money off of his website? I did and it was interesting.

I think you beat Drudge most of the time!! Well and most everyone else. Good job!

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 2:37 AM

bluefox:Thanks BF:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:52 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:49 AM

That live shot is something. Looks like things have calmed down. I hope it doesn’t get worse. They went thru one Dictator and don’t want another one.

Just think of the technology, watching live from the U.S. to Egypt!

Thanks!

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 2:57 AM

Bailing a couple hours early. Need them for something else. :)

Night everyone.

*poof*

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 3:05 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 2:49 AM

That live shot is something. Looks like things have calmed down. I hope it doesn’t get worse. They went thru one Dictator and don’t want another one.

Just think of the technology, watching live from the U.S. to Egypt!

Thanks!

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 2:57 AM

bluefox:

Yes,you can see the tanks,and with the ME,violence can arupt
at any second.Heres the Egypt Protest twitter,it has increased
to 64 new tweets,in less than two minutes!:)

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23egypt

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 3:06 AM

Nervana Mahmoud ‏@Nervana_1

Watch how the #MB started the whole drama by attacking the sit- in via “@Mayelias: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VBAJZp3NIoY … #Egypt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VBAJZp3NIoY

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 3:09 AM

bluefox:

Yes,you can see the tanks,and with the ME,violence can arupt
at any second.Heres the Egypt Protest twitter,it has increased
to 64 new tweets,in less than two minutes!:)

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23egypt

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 3:06 AM

I did see the tanks and it looks like men are repairing a barricade or maybe putting one up. Hard to tell.

The ME is a hotbed for sure. So many factions fighting for control, etc. and combined with their hate..not good.

Twitter getting that kind of an increase in 2 min.! Wow.

I’m going to check it out and then it is past my bedtime, LOL

This article was interesting, but earlier today:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324640104578160902530961768.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 3:17 AM

Spark’s T-Shirt, if it could sing.

Axe on December 6, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Love those guys.

The group used to be called Duran Duran Duran Duran but two of the guys left.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2012 at 3:21 AM

This is one of the tweets: AmaniiLeb‏@Amani_Lebanon

As an analyst said: For the first time since 1973, #Syria & #Egypt are fighting together, against a common enemy: ”Muslim” brotherhood.

I posted last night that I thot perhaps that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” may kick in over there. Hmmm. Now that is interesting. Very Dangerous too.

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 3:23 AM

I’m going to check it out and then it is past my bedtime, LOL

This article was interesting, but earlier today:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324640104578160902530961768.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 3:17 AM

bluefox:

Thanks for the Linky,and the Muslim BrotherHood are going to
settle alot of old scores!

Yup,getting late,Night BF,I’m off as well:)

Nite you too..Sparky..Axe-:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 3:31 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 3:31 AM

Night canopfor. There are now over 200 new tweets!!!

bluefox on December 6, 2012 at 3:44 AM

if the gop is stupid enough to cave into giving the president unlimited power with the debt ceiling, we are no longer america

checks and balances are so 2008, this president has overstepped his bounds since he took office, the unprecedented moves that if a GOP made would have called for impeachment….

Wake up America

what am i saying, these folks voted for this idiot a 2nd time….

Time to hit rock bottom….

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 5:46 AM

switched on morning joe just to see what is happening….

they are only talking about raising taxes by both sides and seem to have no problem with letting dear leader have power over the debt ceiling or what to do about spending cuts…wow…

time to turn off…

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 6:14 AM

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 6:14 AM

i hear you. too much to bear. the gop is dead. morning joe just keeps stomping on the lifeless corpse.

renalin on December 6, 2012 at 6:26 AM

renalin on December 6, 2012 at 6:26 AM

*sigh*

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 6:32 AM

Time to hit rock bottom….

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 5:46 AM

cmsinaz:Good Morning CMS,….it gets better,Photo-Op Narration!:)
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Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters

Obama set for “middle-class” family visit in “fiscal-cliff” campaign http://reut.rs/Raeo7O
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Obama set for “middle-class” family visit in “fiscal-cliff” campaign

WASHINGTON | Thu Dec 6, 2012 6:07am EST

(Reuters) – President Barack Obama takes his “fiscal-cliff” campaign to the home of a family in Northern Virginia on Thursday to illustrate the impact of letting taxes go up on the middle class, as signs emerge that Republicans are contemplating a change in strategy in their battle with Democrats over deficit reduction.

With about three weeks remaining before steep tax hikes and budget cuts that comprise the so-called fiscal cliff are set to begin, the White House said Obama would visit the home of a family that responded to a presidential Twitter request for real-life stories about the burden of a tax increase on the middle class.

Northern Virginia is a suburban expanse across the Potomac River from the U.S. capital that includes some of the wealthiest counties in the United States as well as populous middle-class developments that have grown up over the past quarter century. Due to its proximity to the White House, the president often uses it as a setting for public relations efforts.

“A member of this family shared her story about how paying $2,200 more in taxes next year would impact them if Congress doesn’t act,” said a White House statement, which added that over 100,000 people responded to the Twitter request.

Obama and Democrats in Congress want the tax cuts set to expire at the end of the year to be extended for taxpayers with income below $250,000 a year, but not for the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/06/us-usa-fiscal-obama-idUSBRE8B30W920121206

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 AM

“From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.” My take.

kingsjester on December 6, 2012 at 6:40 AM

Ugh,I don’t think,I can take anymore F $#%$^&*(&^%%&* Stupidity!

And who,in the Democrat Party,gave KrazyKarzai a bottle,er,case
of KOOL_AID!(sarc)

President Karzai blames American and NATO forces in part for rising insecurity in Afghanistan – @NBCNews exclusive

7 mins ago from worldnews.nbcnews.com by editor

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 6:41 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 6:36 AM

morning buddy

the campaigner in chief is at it again….

they probably voted for this putz, no empathy from me…

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 6:43 AM

kingsjester on December 6, 2012 at 6:40 AM

great take KJ

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 6:46 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 6:41 AM

c ya karzai, you’re on your own…

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 6:47 AM

great take KJ

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Thank you! Please share.

kingsjester on December 6, 2012 at 6:49 AM

Thin Red Line Goon Alert!

Demonstrators must evacuate the area around Egypt’s presidential palace by 3pm local time, republican guard says – @Reuters

1 min ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/protests-near-egypts-presidential-palace

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 6:54 AM

Bi Bi Go BOINK yourself Alert (sarc)

The Associated Press ‏@AP

BREAKING: Netanyahu says Israel will keep planned settlement corridor under any future peace deal.

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 6:57 AM

On the available evidence, a Republican who forgets those recent elections is headed for retirement. So naturally Barack Obama wants John Boehner and the Republicans in control of the House to forget those elections.

By the same token if they forget the lessons of this last election a month ago they can be headed for retirement too…it is called being between a rock and a hard place.

Fifteen or twenty years ago it would have been unheard of for two major parties to flirt with this kind of catastrophe. There would have been a deal. But then Ronald Reagan did not have to worry about everyone from Mark Levin to Sarah Palin calling him a RINO and Bill Clinton for all his many faults was not going to rush into recession…even if he thought he might get away with blaming the other party. But in today’s political environment flirting with disaster is perfectly acceptable so long as the respective bases get what they want…screw the country.

Terrye on December 6, 2012 at 6:58 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 6:57 AM

go bibi :)

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 7:02 AM

Terrye on December 6, 2012 at 6:58 AM

Reagan was not a RINO. He made deals, But, he most assuredly was not spineless, like the GOP Establishment is now. Reagan was a Conservative, hence the term “Reagan Conservatives”. The GOP Elite are Moderates.

kingsjester on December 6, 2012 at 7:03 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 6:41 AM

c ya karzai, you’re on your own…

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 6:47 AM

cmsinaz:Yup,and on Hopey Photo-Op,double yup:)

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 AM

If the GOP is smart, they will ignore the public’s perception of them, and piecemeal this out; they should pass everything in the House they can get behind that 0dumba says he wants ASAP, and then tell our Dictator-in-Waiting that they will not negotiate on either the debt ceiling nor on raising taxes until the idiot shows that he is taking our country’s fiscal problems seriously (I’d like to note that I am not advocating for raising taxes.)

Yes, it does depend on the GOP being smart, but since I can’t foresee at all the House unconditionally surrendering to the Dumbocrats’ demand that it remove their credit card limit, and that they should know they are going to be demogogued no matter what they do, I suggest they learn to enjoy wielding the leverage they have!

Anti-Control on December 6, 2012 at 7:06 AM

canopfor on December 6, 2012 at 7:04 AM

:)

cmsinaz on December 6, 2012 at 7:09 AM

ARAB SPRING????

Sounds like a WAR ON WOMEN going on there………

…….but ANYONE anyone in the White House press CORPSE notice the irony?

Bet not.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2012 at 7:38 AM

White House Press Corpse really is part of the STATE RUN MEDIA now.

I used to think that was just hyperbole.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Where’s any reference to our CONSTITUTION directly? Sonsab@#%^es!

racquetballer on December 6, 2012 at 7:50 AM

Sometimes it takes my mind a while to sort things out but this just popped in my head this morning:

Carney: GOP Fiscal Cliff Proposal is ‘Magic Beans and Fairy Dust’

And, this:

These numbers clearly show the Obamas were living beyond their means and they might have suffered financially during the decline in housing prices had they relied on taking ever larger amounts of equity from their home to pay the bills.

But in 2005, Obama’s book sales soared and the royalties poured in. Michelle explained, “It was like Jack and his Magic Beans.”

Without those Magic Beans, the Obama family would have eventually suffered the consequences of too much debt.

I dunno, maybe if Barry writes another book and all his political cronies buy it, he can solve this debt crisis. Wait. Nevermind.

Back to my coffee…

Fallon on December 6, 2012 at 8:24 AM

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