Quotes of the day

posted at 10:11 pm on December 4, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

President Obama on Tuesday dismissed the latest deficit-cutting proposal from Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) as “still out of balance.”

“There’s been a lot of talk that we can raise $800 billion or $1 trillion in revenues just by cutting loopholes,” Obama said. “But a lot of your viewers understand that the only way to do that would be if you completely eliminated, for example, charitable deductions.” …

“If we’re going to be serious about reducing our deficit while still being able to invest in things like education … and if we’re going to protect middle class, then we’re going to have to have higher rates on the wealthiest Americans,” Obama said.

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi charged  Tuesday night that the proposal the GOP leadership offered to deal with the fiscal cliff would be unfair to seniors and middle-class Americans and again insisted that any deal would include a rate increase for the wealthiest Americans. …

“If you read closely what they have in their letter, even though it’s barebones, you have voucherizing of Medicare, you have a return to the Ryan budget, which priorities are not priorities that I think the American people share,” she told host Ed Schultz.

Pelosi said that Congress could not get “from here to there” without a deal that included a mix of cuts and revenue.

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But Hoyer, the Democratic whip, warned that taking entitlement benefits off the table is a bad place to start the negotiations. Such entrenched positions are little different, he said, than the Republicans’ refusal to consider hikes in tax rates — a central element of President Obama’s deficit-reduction proposal.

Hoyer said GOP proposals to raise the Medicare eligibility age, make wealthier seniors pay higher Medicare rates and limit the cost-of-living increases for some federal programs are legitimate ones, even as he warned he might not support them.

“They clearly are on the table,” Hoyer said of the Medicare changes during his weekly press briefing in the Capitol. “They were on the table in the Boehner-Obama talks. They’ve been on the table for some period of time. That does not mean that I’d be prepared to adopt them now, but they’re clearly, I think, on the table.”

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Senator Jim DeMint, a favorite of the anti-tax Tea Party movement, said the proposal by House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner for $800 billion in increased tax revenues would “destroy jobs and allow Washington politicians” to swell, not reduce, the deficit. …

In a statement, DeMint said, “This isn’t rocket science. Everyone knows that when you take money out of the economy (with tax hikes), it destroys jobs, and everyone knows that when you give politicians more money, they spend it,” DeMint said.

“This is why Republicans must oppose tax increases and insist on real spending reductions that shrink the size of government and allow Americans to keep more of their hard-earned money,” the South Carolina Republican said.

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The purge of four rebellious Republicans from plum committee assignments Monday is provoking anger in some quarters of the House Republican Conference, with the dissidents threatening to more aggressively push against leadership’s agenda. …

Rep. Tim Huelskamp of Kansas said in an interview that “a lot of folks are talking” about bringing down a rule vote on the House floor.

And Rep. Walter B. Jones of North Carolina, the lone moderate among the purge victims, suggested he might sign a discharge petition sponsored by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to force a floor vote on a fiscal cliff bill passed by the Democratic Senate.

“I, at this point, am not going to sign the discharge petition, but I said ‘at this point.’ I don’t know what next week will bring,” Jones told reporters.

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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: It’s one thing to understand, when we hear the president say rates have to go up, there’s no other way to make this work. This is a purely political statement, it has nothing to do with economics. His own commission, the debt reduction commission that he appointed identified $1.1 trillion of what are called tax expenditures. Meaning loopholes and deductions out there available every year. So over a decade that’s $11 trillion of available revenues without raising rates.

So, all you need to do is get less than one in ten of the dollars. One in ten and you’ve got a $1 trillion in raised revenues without raising rates. The only reason the president insists on raising rates is because he knows it will destroy Republican unity. It will cause a complete fracture of the Republican majority in the House. It will hand him a Congress that he can then manipulate for the next two years at least because the Republicans will be neutered. This is entirely a political action, a way to get a surrender from the Republicans and then what will happen, if he succeeds with this, with the fiction that you have to raise rates rather than eliminate loopholes, is he’ll have weakened Republicans which will allow him to dictate all the terms of whatever entitlement or other reforms if any we will get in the second term.

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Purging is geh…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:13 PM

The only reason the president insists on raising rates is because he knows it will destroy Republican unity. It will cause a complete fracture of the Republican majority in the House. It will hand him a Congress that he can then manipulate for the next two years at least because the Republicans will be neutered.

Prexactly…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I like Levin also have had enough!!

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:14 PM

On a roll!!

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Sparky where you at?

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:15 PM

It’s lonely at the top ya know!! ;-)

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Stop

KCB on December 4, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Not gonna say it tee hee…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Sorry Darlin’

KCB on December 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM

KCB on December 4, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Hiya KCB!!!! What’s up?

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Squishes, the GOP is full of them…

OmahaConservative on December 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Vino and funemployment. You?

KCB on December 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Have you seen the latest crap piece all about the rich?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cwg4DB-EeEA

I’ts vile…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Boehner may end up being the “Yoko Ono” of the Republicans. She broke up the Beatles, didn’t she?

50sGuy on December 4, 2012 at 10:18 PM

The RNC called me this evening looking for more cash. Never again.

Let. It. Burn.

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:19 PM

KCB on December 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Neither… :-( (tho I am not working due to ill health…)

Enjoy the vino!!

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:19 PM

if I could find a book of matches,I swear I’d burn this whorehouse down — Tom Waits

UndercoverInLA on December 4, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Let them eat CARP

OmahaConservative on December 4, 2012 at 10:20 PM

We bitch about the media, as we should, but somebody or some think tak or something better change, or our asses is grasses. Conservative messaging is non existent.

KCB on December 4, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Sparkplug: My phone has been off the hook since last night.

Has yours been as busy? You are a hit world wide!!

Cor Blimey some bloke!! ;-)

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:20 PM

so slow tonight on hotair, when i post a comment it echoes.

sesquipedalian on December 4, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Why are they even negotiating with this communist? Vote on two bills…. One bill to extend the Bush tax cuts to those making up to $ 200,000 which he will signs… A second bill is to also extend the Bush tax cut for the job creators who are making more than $ 200,000 which he will veto if it passes the Congress… Then let him blame the Republicans for the economy crushing because they did not stop him from taxing the job creators…

mnjg on December 4, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Can’t hang about, so ya’all have a smashing good time eh!

Evenin’ all :-)

Good night and God Bless!!

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Anybody else think it is stupid that can b!tch about things as long as I !…?

KCB on December 4, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Let them eat CARP…

OmahaConservative on December 4, 2012 at 10:20 PM

It’s all in the way you cook it. Yum!

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

The only reason the president insists on raising rates is because he knows it will destroy Republican unity. It will cause a complete fracture of the Republican majority in the House. It will hand him a Congress that he can then manipulate for the next two years at least because the Republicans will be neutered.

Yep.

Just read through the statements by the Democrats: they clearly don’t hold up to reason as to the economy, it’s like they’re all mushy in the head, so to speak, or, rather, like fourth graders “trying to sound like” high school students. Theirs is the tough talk of nonsense delivered with enough force and tingly nomenclature so it “sounds” impressive but communicates only that they’re not knowledgeable.

This is a political ploy to further drive chaos into the GOP, to foment dischord and more anger among the Right, to get Obama another big, self-satisfied laugh over his martinis on the beach next week. He wants to “win” the damnation of the GOP.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Nothing like a heavy dose of catharsis from Levin.

Dongemaharu on December 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I’m pretty much had enough of the ‘political elite ruling class’…

… I can’t believe people actually stayed home and didn’t vote against Oblahblah.

Seven Percent Solution on December 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

In a statement, DeMint said, “This isn’t rocket science. Everyone knows that when you take money out of the economy (with tax hikes), it destroys jobs, and everyone knows that when you give politicians more money, they spend it,” DeMint said.

DeMint doesn’t seem to understand that this is precisely the point of the rat-eared wonder’s policies. Take as much private capital out of play as you can and spend it all on the parasites, moochers and takers that make up the the base of the Democrat party. Not a single contributor to society among them and not all of them are even legally here in the first place.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Have you seen the latest crap piece all about the rich?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cwg4DB-EeEA

I’ts vile…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Everyone had jobs…

LOL! YOu are correct, what a vile piece of crap.

BURN IT TO THE GROUND.

Time to kick all the baby birds out of the nest and let them learn to earn for themselves or starve.

tom daschle concerned on December 4, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Posted from another thread, but seems appropriate…

Have not been here for a while, nursing my wounds from the
election I guess…

Personally, I am disgusted by the GOP. We look like a bunch of incompetent morons that couldn’t put a birthday party together, let alone a political party.

I am actually an elected member of my county’s Repub Central Committee, have been asked to become Chairman. All I could say is..it’s doubtful that I will be a Repub for much longer.

I am not a quitter by any means, but I KNOW this is not my Father’s GOP, and if things don’t change quickly (I know) I’ve had it…

On top of that, I’m in CA.

ccrosby on December 4, 2012 at 10:00 PM

ccrosby on December 4, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Let them eat CARP…

OmahaConservative on December 4, 2012 at 10:20 PM

It’s all in the way you cook it. Yum!

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I grew up eating it in Omaha…

OmahaConservative on December 4, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Why are they even negotiating with this communist? Vote on two bills…. One bill to extend the Bush tax cuts to those making up to $ 200,000 which he will signs… A second bill is to also extend the Bush tax cut for the job creators who are making more than $ 200,000 which he will veto if it passes the Congress… Then let him blame the Republicans for the economy crushing because they did not stop him from taxing the job creators…

mnjg on December 4, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Yes, seems simple, doesn’t it?

That’s NOT being done (so far as I know) because there are things “under” that darned “table” everyone’s talking about that are the actual goals. You just described a solution that’s ON that darned “table” while Obama and Congress are kicking back and forth UNDER it.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Six freaking years I’ve been warning you…at least Levin is beginning to catch on…

You know the chant. Scream it out loud while you stand in front of the mirror until it sinks in:

THE GOP WILL BETRAY YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

True_King on December 4, 2012 at 10:27 PM

ccrosby on December 4, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Another Tiny Violin…

Next we’ll be reading you’re going to vote for Obama because it’ll show those GOP-pers, right?

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:27 PM

This monster in the WH is one a path to crush the nation as it now exists, the plan becomes clearer by the day, and the douchebags in the GOP are playing CYA to protect themselves. The Great Experiment is coming into its own and there’s no way to stop it, you can actually see the end coming.

We’re screwed, screwed in so many ways I hesitate to plan ahead farther than a month or two. I’ll sit back and protect my own and hope that there’s not too much violence and bloodshed when the system self-corrects, and it will.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:28 PM

… I can’t believe people actually stayed home and didn’t vote against Oblahblah.

Seven Percent Solution on December 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Ask Dante about that. He/she/ or most likely it was very proud that he didn’t vote for Romney. Apparently, anti-Constitution trolls have a very demanding litmus test and it was better to give the rat-eared wonder a second term than to bury whatever animus there was that he/she/it’s racist and isolationist idol didn’t get the GOP nomination.

I truly think I hate people like Dante more than I do the moochers, takers, and parasites who you would expect to vote for the rat-eared wonder.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2012 at 10:28 PM

THE GOP WILL BETRAY YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

True_King on December 4, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Aaand, ANOTHER Tiny Violin.

No one is all right all the time or makes sense all the time and that includes Levin. He’s right a lot of the times but he’s wrong some of the times.

EVERYONE “will betray you” at some point in time, particularly where money and resources are concerned. It’s all a matter of perspective: eventually EVERYONE has a difference of opinion and when it’s severe enough, it’s “betrayal” when there had been trust to not be betrayed (or, countered, disagreed with, to not lose someone’s support).

I think EVERYone should just cool off a bit and stop following media figures as if they’re God or your Own Private Psychiatrist.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:30 PM

The purge of four rebellious Republicans from plum committee assignments Monday is provoking anger in some quarters of the House Republican Conference, with the dissidents threatening to more aggressively push against leadership’s agenda. …

If Boehner is seeking to kill what is left of the Republican party, he is really doing a good job. Third party is looking more and more rational. Say a Constitution party, go after House seats and then caucus with the Republicans, but trade support for committee assignments. This is only going to work in solid red districts to start with; try this in purple districts and we get Speaker Pelousi back. But in those solid red districts, it’s time to start sending the establishment packing.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I am not a quitter by any means, but I KNOW this is not my Father’s GOP, and if things don’t change quickly (I know) I’ve had it…

On top of that, I’m in CA.

ccrosby on December 4, 2012 at 10:00 PM

ccrosby on December 4, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Hang in there, Comrade.

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Squishes, the GOP is full of them…

OmahaConservative on December 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Per Sarah, the official term apparently is ‘wusses’.

wolfsDad on December 4, 2012 at 10:31 PM

The GOP beyond the local and state level is off my radar, they can pound all the sand in the Sinai straight up their chute as far as I’m concerned, and I say that as a member of Bachmann’s district.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Yes, seems simple, doesn’t it?

That’s NOT being done (so far as I know) because there are things “under” that darned “table” everyone’s talking about that are the actual goals. You just described a solution that’s ON that darned “table” while Obama and Congress are kicking back and forth UNDER it.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:26 PM

It is a simple solution and a political winner on the long run for Republicans… Republicans should vote “Yes” on the two bill and let the parasite class President veto the bill to extend the Bush tax cuts for the jobs creators and hence badly damage the economy…

mnjg on December 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

“If we’re going to be serious about reducing our deficit while still being able to invest in things like education … and if we’re going to protect middle class, then we’re going to have to have higher rates on the wealthiest Americans,” Obama said.

Setting aside the grim and now inextricable reality that Obama cannot do math, what he is saying here is probably true, in the abstract. In the way, way abstract. You need to rephrase it though, and decode the “lying words” –

“If we’re going to reduce our deficit while continuing to create and fund programs, we’re going to need more money.”

I think that’s what he’s actually thinking.

“Duh” comes to mind. But responsible people (and groups of people, like republics) should probably avoid logic like “let’s just spend what we want to spend now, and figure out how to pay for it later” — especially people like Obama, who has no idea how to create wealth at all.

– That bit in the middle about “protecting the middle class” doesn’t survive translation because it’s out-of-thin-air electioneering.

Axe on December 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

If Boehner is seeking to kill what is left of the Republican party, he is really doing a good job.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I STRONGLY doubt that Boehner is “seeking to kill what is left of the Republican Party.”

It sounds to me like DeMint and especially that one other hothead guy who was taken off Committee have a few emotional bolts loose.

And I understand a bit as to why that guy there was taken off the Committee, after he’s come forward with such severe rejection of the House GOP.

You all involved in this are playing right into Reid’s dirty hands and Obama’s nasty plans. You’re doing their work for them, being played like Tiny Violins.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Another Tiny Violin…

Next we’ll be reading you’re going to vote for Obama because it’ll show those GOP-pers, right?

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:27 PM

You know what, this is exactly why I have not commented here for some time.

How the Hell did you come to that conclusion from my post?

ccrosby on December 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Just got back from a Republican township caucus. Gawd, we suck. Nepotism to the nth degree in Illinois regardless of the party.

Fallon on December 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM

I grew up eating it in Omaha…

OmahaConservative on December 4, 2012 at 10:25 PM

You should find out where he gets his supply. Did he import some from Europe and raises them himself? I caught and cooked some here in the States once. Old tires tasted better and are more tender too. :(

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Another Tiny Violin…

Next we’ll be reading you’re going to vote for Obama because it’ll show those GOP-pers, right?

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Actually, the original poster has a very good point. Here in Pima county AZ, the establishment is rife with RINOs and people who will show up at a luncheon but won’t show up to canvas for a candidate. The candidates the establishment supports are weak-kneed squishes and then when they are defeated in the primaries, the establishment works to make sure the democrat wins. If the situation were reversed (and it has been) that self-same establishment gets up and gets into a self-righteous snit telling the conservatives that they must stand behind and support the nominee.

/It’s not called the Stupid Party for nothing.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:36 PM

– That bit in the middle about “protecting the middle class” doesn’t survive translation because it’s out-of-thin-air electioneering.

Axe on December 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Obama is trying to drive in his propaganda nail to a coffin that might hold our economy, that nail being called the icky phrase, “fair share.”

This is high-commie talk taking place by Obama with slobbering assistance to it by Reid and the other grubby Democrats. They’re truly after the nation’s heart and soul here, just gotta’ ruin the credibility of Capitalism and our Constitutional Republic.

“Fair share” is the same thing, the very same thing, as the demand made by Castro of Cubans years ago. It’s communism, it’s a communist goal, it’s a communist concept.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Prexactly…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Yes, but this will only happen if Boehner complies. Evidently that’s what Boehner plans to do since he’s removed the Committee assignments from those 4 Conservatives.

It’s one thing to fall into a trap, but when someone shows you the trap and you go ahead well you’re an idiot!!

Or you are trying to grab all the power you can for yourself, and the tax pledge you made is like your word, worthless.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 10:37 PM

How the Hell did you come to that conclusion from my post?

ccrosby on December 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Alcohol?

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Mark LOLevin. I wonder if he’s sincere or just a crank for pay.

Alpha_Male on December 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM

while still being able to invest in things like education …

“invest”. LOL. Like Solyndra and 20 other green slush funds for lefty supporters.

The feral govenrment isn’t a friggin hedge fund. People should be offended to hear government officials talking about “investing” anything, let alone this cheap Dog-Eating Sukarno knock-off with the 84 IQ. The only “investment” the feral government ever does is in defense and that isn’t for “investment” but for defense … but the Retard Sukarno and his ilk want to cut nothing but defense.

Then again, we do live in the American Socialist Superstate so I guess we all have to get used to political capital being the only real “legal” tender around. The House GOP certainly isn’t doing anything to disabuse any ineligible Indonesians or their lunatic junta of that idea.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Per Sarah, the official term apparently is ‘wusses’.

wolfsDad on December 4, 2012 at 10:31 PM

The new term is wobbly ones ..:)

idesign on December 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Just got back from a Republican township caucus. Gawd, we suck. Nepotism to the nth degree in Illinois regardless of the party.

Fallon on December 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Take heart, my township and local city have had members of the same family involved in politics for decades; everyone runs on the family name and outsiders don’t stand a chance.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM

You should find out where he gets his supply. Did he import some from Europe and raises them himself? I caught and cooked some here in the States once. Old tires tasted better and are more tender too. :(

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:36 PM

He is long dead and I will be 58 soon, but I have always loved American Carp. Guess I am just not a purist, I grew up in South Omaha…

OmahaConservative on December 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM

The RNC called me this evening looking for more cash. Never again.

Let. It. Burn.

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:19 PM

I read that they had a surplus after the elections. Evidently they didn’t fund too many Candidates.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Hmmmm……………

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew

RT @igorvolsky: Judd Gregg on MSNBC argues that Boehner’s $800B in revenue is a big deal given “where he was before” …. which was at $800B

canopfor on December 4, 2012 at 10:40 PM

I STRONGLY doubt that Boehner is “seeking to kill what is left of the Republican Party.”

It sounds to me like DeMint and especially that one other hothead guy who was taken off Committee have a few emotional bolts loose.

And I understand a bit as to why that guy there was taken off the Committee, after he’s come forward with such severe rejection of the House GOP.

You all involved in this are playing right into Reid’s dirty hands and Obama’s nasty plans. You’re doing their work for them, being played like Tiny Violins.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Let them scream all what they want and make their threats against the GOP leadership… Few months from now their anger will go back to where it should be… and that is toward the socialists and communists…

mnjg on December 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM

I think EVERYone should just cool off a bit and stop following media figures as if they’re God or your Own Private Psychiatrist.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:30 PM

“God?” “Private Psychiatrist?” Really? If someone out there in the media says a lot of things we agree with, we follow them like they’re “God?” Wth…?

Dongemaharu on December 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:37 PM

In other words, start surveying your local area for choke points, ambush spots, and escape routes.

The last election was too close a shave, just enough Americans are now scared to death of the Dog Eater’s plans, and when they start reacting and withdrawing from the economy….boy howdy, the red balloons will start flying in great flocks.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I think this was his comment toward Boehner. That’s what I read in the original article.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 10:44 PM

The purge of four rebellious Republicans
==========================================

Its about d*mn time….(sarc)

Great RINO Purgation Part Deux!!
(sarc).

canopfor on February 7, 2011 at 3:52 PM

canopfor on December 4, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Another Tiny Violin…

Next we’ll be reading you’re going to vote for Obama because it’ll show those GOP-pers, right?

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Actually, the original poster has a very good point. Here in Pima county AZ, the establishment is rife with RINOs and people who will show up at a luncheon but won’t show up to canvas for a candidate. The candidates the establishment supports are weak-kneed squishes and then when they are defeated in the primaries, the establishment works to make sure the democrat wins. If the situation were reversed (and it has been) that self-same establishment gets up and gets into a self-righteous snit telling the conservatives that they must stand behind and support the nominee.

/It’s not called the Stupid Party for nothing.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Yes, I REALIZE such occurs and has occurred (those “squishes” you refer to).

BUT TRY to be specific in your complaints and look where you are firing before you do: when you use these ongoing candidacy complaints to toss around fatality-declarations about the GOP every.time (some here do this) there is a legislation crises taking place in Congress, in national elections, INSTEAD OF TAKING THESE COMPLAINTS UP on the local where they’d be more productive toward a good end — or, at least, a good and sensible effort toward trying for such if not gaining that — when that happens, then the Left wins because the GOP just gets hammered (blamed) from all sides and it’s a form of treachery if not stupidity by those claiming to be Conservatives when they join in on this.

CALL Boehner’s office and complain. CALL your Rep.’s office and complain. CALL the GOP House Committee members and complain. Telll Obama on twitter and in a letter that you don’t support his goals with this “fair share” mush of raising taxes ON ANYONE (or, if he must have “fair share,” then demand it apply to all voters, all Americans, EVERYONE pay their “fair share”).

And go attend Local GOP meetings and complain and support people you consider “not squishy” — just complaining about the “GOP” in comments does nothing to solve our problems.

I’m in California, by the way, and I assure you the CA GOP are not only squishy, they’re worse. But blaming Boehner at times such as these isn’t going to get us anywhere, he should be hearing from everyone as to what we support.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Anybody else having issues with reload tonight? Everytime I refresh, the refresh is taking me to the top of the page, not to the last post that I clicked on thus forcing me to have to find the last post read and proceed from there to the end. This is new starting tonight.

/I am not amused

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Take heart, my township and local city have had members of the same family involved in politics for decades; everyone runs on the family name and outsiders don’t stand a chance.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I nominate you to take care of business. I have still not been able to get my hands on the book.

The Battle of Athens Tennessee.

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:46 PM

boy howdy, the red balloons will start flying in great flocks.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Bishop:Needs theme music!:)
===========================

Nena – 99 Red Balloons
***********************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W0LlXbSF2U

canopfor on December 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Sparky where you at?

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Slow down Scrumpy. I’m trying to catch up with you. Its not easy walking in my new Austin Powers Beatle Shoes.

SparkPlug on December 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Anybody else having issues with reload tonight? Everytime I refresh, the refresh is taking me to the top of the page, not to the last post that I clicked on thus forcing me to have to find the last post read and proceed from there to the end. This is new starting tonight.

/I am not amused

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:45 PM

It means they found you. Good luck.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

he should be hearing from everyone as to what we support.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:44 PM

What makes you think he is not? You are sure jumping to a number of conclusions.

That’s what is making me nervous; Boehner seems to be dismissing conservative concerns as extremist and is dumping them overboard in order to be able to make a grand deal with the communists. If you have any sense of history, you know that this is just the next grand deal with the communists after the last dozens of grand deals. So, are we moving to the right after these deals? I don’t think so.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM

It means they found you. Good luck.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Dang! Gotta get the scope onto that replacement AR.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:50 PM

The candidates the establishment supports

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:36 PM

When I suggest that people “be specific,” that’d be a great place to start, right there: define just who you refer to when you complain about “the establishment.”

Is it the guy in town who owns the chain of supermarkets who donates millions to Leftwingers in your local GOP or what? Just a suggestion as to what I mean by “be specific.”

Because all the disgruntlement about “the establishment” and “squishes” gets us no where but all in a tither that no one ever understands enough about to solve anything.

THAT’S why some people (not me) call the GOP, as you do, “the stupid party” — because too many people sound like aging hippies talking in generalities that can never be, or aren’t, properly identified as specific problems to be then solved.

FOR EXAMPLE: Dick Armey who is Liberal as can be on many an issue, also head of Freedomworks or whattheheck, one of those Tea Party groups, just resigned. I call that a good thing that he has. The Tea Party as a public movement is generally based in good things (no more taxes, primarily, “taxed enough already”), but some of the groups formed using that identity have been done by Leftwing people trying to exploit (as should be expected) a grassroots movement and steer it into Progressive control.

So the “Tea Party” has a great deal of work to do on itself. It’s not blameless in this…before ripping the GOP as is wont to do by some, I think people should stop eating our own and remember who is posing the threats here and it’s not the Right who is.

But the RIght is just running ripshod all over it’s own lawn and Back Forty.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Sparkplug: My phone has been off the hook since last night.

Has yours been as busy? You are a hit world wide!!

Cor Blimey some bloke!! ;-)

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I told you all we needed was to put pictures of your money maker on the internet. Now everyone wants a piece of your booty. I always did.

hehe.

SparkPlug on December 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM

ccrosby on December 4, 2012 at 10:25 PM

I think many were disappointed over this election. However, in your position I would just remember this: From little acorns great oaks grow. You have an opportunity to make a difference locally and perhaps that may be more important at this time.

We have a great Republican County Chair that keeps us informed on many things that I alone would not know. It’s a help to me.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 10:53 PM

******** Fear-Mongering Crisis Manufacturing Alert ***************

Hopey states that GOP will close Universitys/Hospitals???????

Obama says Republican proposals would put nonprofits at risk

WASHINGTON | Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:23pm EST

(Reuters) – President Barack Obama warned on Tuesday that Republican tax proposals could threaten the collapse of hospitals and universities benefiting from charitable deductions.
(More…..)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/05/us-usa-fiscal-nonprofits-idUSBRE8B404920121205

canopfor on December 4, 2012 at 10:53 PM

canopfor on December 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM

The spooky part of all this is seeing it happen right before our eyes. I suppose the one little silver lining is that the libs have become so brazen now after the election that they’ve sped up the timetable, events are moving fast enough that the incremental aspect has been lost.

Maybe enough people will react together simultaneously to force Bark’s hand, and then the real fun will begin.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Honest Abe

AmriKa deserves the Liar in Chief.

p.s Boehner is an utter fool; get rid of him.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 10:53 PM

“If we’re going to be serious about reducing our deficit while still being able to invest in things like education … and if we’re going to protect middle class, then we’re going to have to have higher rates on the wealthiest Americans,” Obama said.

I must be the stupidest guy on the planet because I have absolutely no clue what hiring teachers has to do with solving our fiscal crisis. I believe the House should supoena every single Harvard economics professor and have them testify what this could possibly do to solve our economic problem. It has to be Harvard professors because Obama went there and he really head to learn this asinine economics theory from someone.

If we had a free press in this country, every time he brought it up they would ask him to explain how that helps, but we have Pravda and Izvestia who are incapable of asking these questions.

bflat879 on December 4, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Anybody else having issues with reload tonight? Everytime I refresh, the refresh is taking me to the top of the page, not to the last post that I clicked on thus forcing me to have to find the last post read and proceed from there to the end. This is new starting tonight.

/I am not amused

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:45 PM

AZfederalist:Had that F %$^&*(*&^%$%^&* kn problem yesterday!:)

canopfor on December 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM

so slow tonight on hotair, when i post a comment it echoes.

sesquipedalian on December 4, 2012 at 10:22 PM

…shhhhh, it’s the empty cavity in your skull.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Dang! Gotta get the scope onto that replacement AR.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Fool! You just told them what you have! They’re reading this

I’ve said too much.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:56 PM

The Battle of Athens Tennessee.

JPeterman on December 4, 2012 at 10:46 PM

JPETERMAN! I FOUND ONE! Finally! And they are proud of it, too — ug — you can expect that when it’s truly rare. Anyway! Woo Hoo!

I’ve been trolling for, what, two years?

I rule.

Axe on December 4, 2012 at 10:56 PM

…shhhhh, it’s the empty cavity in your skull.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM

H/T Schad.

SparkPlug on December 4, 2012 at 10:57 PM

canopfor on December 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM
The spooky part of all this is seeing it happen right before our eyes. I suppose the one little silver lining is that the libs have become so brazen now after the election that they’ve sped up the timetable, events are moving fast enough that the incremental aspect has been lost.

Maybe enough people will react together simultaneously to force Bark’s hand, and then the real fun will begin.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Brazen is an understatement…be it the fools in D.C. or the lapdog media propaganda arm. They all seem to be crawling out of every cubby and crevice.

CoffeeLover on December 4, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Gawd, we suck. Nepotism to the nth degree in Illinois regardless of the party.

Fallon on December 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM

I can’t stop myself from hating you all folks a little bit for your role in getting the rat-eared wonder to the White House.

I know it isn’t your fault. My own paternal grandparents were from Jersey County and spent decades working in Chicago. They would have voted for the rat-eared wonder because the union told them to do so. Yet…part of me is resentful that those of you in Illinois didn’t stamp out this bastard before he got a national stage.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2012 at 10:59 PM

SparkPlug on December 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Hehehehe, you are the ‘bad boy’ of HA!!!

Rydych chi mor fachgen direidus, ac yn ddihiryn … ond yr wyf yn hoffi i chi!

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:59 PM

he should be hearing from everyone as to what we support.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:44 PM

What makes you think he is not? You are sure jumping to a number of conclusions.

That’s what is making me nervous; Boehner seems to be dismissing conservative concerns as extremist and is dumping them overboard in order to be able to make a grand deal with the communists. If you have any sense of history, you know that this is just the next grand deal with the communists after the last dozens of grand deals. So, are we moving to the right after these deals? I don’t think so.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I didn’t say he was NOT hearing from everyone. I said he “should be hearing from everyone” as in, that’s the optimal course.

I never said or thought that no one has contacted him or isn’t going to, so it’s you there who is jumping to those conclusions.

Boehner seems to be dismissing conservative concerns as extremist and is dumping them overboard in order to be able to make a grand deal with the communists.

That possibility disgusts me, too. And so far, we (“the GOP”, me on the Right, us, here, not Left) haven’t heard whatever leverage is being applied to Boehner that might steer him into such a “deal” and if that’s publicly known, then I missed it, whatever it might be.

Perhaps we can all start by tomorrow morning, calling Boehner and asking to be told just what it is that might encourage him to “make a deal with” Obama and what the implications would be if he does. Ask him to commit to something if at all possible….

….however, it JUST MAY BE at this time that Boehner, the House GOP, isn’t speaking too liberally (not “Liberally” as in, like a Liberal, but “liberally” as in, generously or loosely) so as to keep their plans close to the vest. I got that sense from Boehner this last Sunday when he was on tv, he was immensely close-down as to answering what was what. So this might be Boehner keeping score or ahead on the field and not blabbing too much of what moves they have in mind.

I don’t know, but I’ll ask his office my questions (above) tomorrow over the phone and encourage everyone to do likewise.

I just don’t think we should ASSUME he’s going to run headlong into Obama-the-Communist arms. By letting go who he did from the Committee, he just may be trying to maintain the line, so to speak, and show the stragglers the other field, so to speak, in order to keep eyes on the goal.

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 11:00 PM

It sounds to me like DeMint and especially that one other hothead guy who was taken off Committee have a few emotional bolts loose.Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Which Conservative are you speaking of? Senator DeMint is one of the strongest Conservatives in the Senate and doesn’t have any emotional blots loose.

Do you agree with what Boehner had done? What about his offer to Obama?

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 11:00 PM

while still being able to invest in things like education

That term is as recognizable as the sound of a 12ga pump shotgun being racked, that’s how overused it is and every time I read or hear it I want to smash something.

“Things” like education? What things would those be? What else is like education that you would invest in? Bridges, farms, guppy hatcheries…WHAT? WHAT is like education? So quit using the term. Gawd I hate it.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 11:01 PM

How the Hell did you come to that conclusion from my post?

ccrosby on December 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I was taken aback by that reply to you as well.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Axe on December 4, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Agreed! You get my message on your site, Mr. Code Writer:)

MarshFox on December 4, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Dang! Gotta get the scope onto that replacement AR.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Fool! You just told them what you have! They’re reading this

I’ve said too much.

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 10:56 PM

‘Everyone in US under virtual surveillance’ – NSA whistleblower

Capturing network traffic…capturing network traffic…capturing network traffic…

Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Well,speaking of Spending..,and AwesomeLicious,Nukes
made the grocery list,,,*Woo-Hoo*!

Senate unanimously passes defense spending bill

WASHINGTON | Tue Dec 4, 2012 10:03pm EST

(Reuters) – The Senate voted 98-0 on Tuesday to approve a wide-ranging defense bill that authorizes $631.4 billion in funding for the military, the war in Afghanistan and nuclear weapons.(More…)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/05/us-usa-defense-senate-idUSBRE8B401M20121205

canopfor on December 4, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Yet…part of me is resentful that those of you in Illinois didn’t stamp out this bastard before he got a national stage.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Yes, Illinois Republicans are useless.

Illinois Republican leaders endorsed a proposal to grant temporary drivers’ licenses to illegal immigrants on Tuesday, weeks after Hispanics voted heavily for Democrats in national elections.

If approved by the Democratic-controlled Legislature, Illinois would be the most populous state to offer drivers’ licenses to illegal immigrants.

Fallon on December 4, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Speak Welsh on your own time, this site is speaks American.

それを得られる ???

Bishop on December 4, 2012 at 11:06 PM

When I suggest that people “be specific,” that’d be a great place to start, right there: define just who you refer to when you complain about “the establishment.”


Lourdes on December 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Well, let’s see. How does John McCain fit on your scale? Lindsay Grahamnesty? How about the kind of people who actively promoted Romney as being a conservative during the primaries? You’ve been posting here for years, you should be smart enough to understand the shorthand so a person doesn’t have to type an essay every time one wants to make a point.

So, here’s the quick essay; guess I’ll have to store this and every time I make a comment about how the GOP is driving fiscal and small government conservatives out of the party, I’ll post this so you know what the establishment is.

Establishment? The GOP leaders who have held positions of leadership for decades who support people like John McCain, are just fine with amnesty, won’t support people who are really pushing for lower taxes and smaller government. These people are those like Boehner and McConnell who are established in the government at the D.C. level who are plenty fine with big government as long as they control the committee assignments. Locally, they are the ones who have been in the party control for years. Here, they change the rules as needed to make sure that Tea Party or other conservatives don’t get into the leadership or they change the rules and bylaws to drive one of those conservatives who accidentally got elected out of office. As mentioned in my previous post, this group of leaders locally will put up a favored candidate who is usually quite “moderate”. Most importantly, the establishment supports and consists of those who proudly proclaim that they are the ones to elect because they will get things done by working with the democrats in a bipartisan manner to make government work for us. What this always means with these candidates is that they are going to “reach across the aisle” and compromise principle to get legislation passed. Now, compromise and bargaining are great, if for example, you are buying a car and have strict limits set. These folks, though, start in the middle, get an offer far to the left and “compromise” on a solution that is not quite as far left as the democrats’ original offer. This is what got us to the mess we now find ourselves in.

AZfederalist on December 4, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Pride goes before the Fall

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 11:07 PM

canopfor on December 4, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Your PM is a cool a** guy!! Fully supporting Israel!! Unlike the euro twits…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2012 at 11:07 PM

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