Quotes of the day

posted at 10:11 pm on December 4, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

President Obama on Tuesday dismissed the latest deficit-cutting proposal from Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) as “still out of balance.”

“There’s been a lot of talk that we can raise $800 billion or $1 trillion in revenues just by cutting loopholes,” Obama said. “But a lot of your viewers understand that the only way to do that would be if you completely eliminated, for example, charitable deductions.” …

“If we’re going to be serious about reducing our deficit while still being able to invest in things like education … and if we’re going to protect middle class, then we’re going to have to have higher rates on the wealthiest Americans,” Obama said.

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi charged  Tuesday night that the proposal the GOP leadership offered to deal with the fiscal cliff would be unfair to seniors and middle-class Americans and again insisted that any deal would include a rate increase for the wealthiest Americans. …

“If you read closely what they have in their letter, even though it’s barebones, you have voucherizing of Medicare, you have a return to the Ryan budget, which priorities are not priorities that I think the American people share,” she told host Ed Schultz.

Pelosi said that Congress could not get “from here to there” without a deal that included a mix of cuts and revenue.

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But Hoyer, the Democratic whip, warned that taking entitlement benefits off the table is a bad place to start the negotiations. Such entrenched positions are little different, he said, than the Republicans’ refusal to consider hikes in tax rates — a central element of President Obama’s deficit-reduction proposal.

Hoyer said GOP proposals to raise the Medicare eligibility age, make wealthier seniors pay higher Medicare rates and limit the cost-of-living increases for some federal programs are legitimate ones, even as he warned he might not support them.

“They clearly are on the table,” Hoyer said of the Medicare changes during his weekly press briefing in the Capitol. “They were on the table in the Boehner-Obama talks. They’ve been on the table for some period of time. That does not mean that I’d be prepared to adopt them now, but they’re clearly, I think, on the table.”

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Senator Jim DeMint, a favorite of the anti-tax Tea Party movement, said the proposal by House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner for $800 billion in increased tax revenues would “destroy jobs and allow Washington politicians” to swell, not reduce, the deficit. …

In a statement, DeMint said, “This isn’t rocket science. Everyone knows that when you take money out of the economy (with tax hikes), it destroys jobs, and everyone knows that when you give politicians more money, they spend it,” DeMint said.

“This is why Republicans must oppose tax increases and insist on real spending reductions that shrink the size of government and allow Americans to keep more of their hard-earned money,” the South Carolina Republican said.

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The purge of four rebellious Republicans from plum committee assignments Monday is provoking anger in some quarters of the House Republican Conference, with the dissidents threatening to more aggressively push against leadership’s agenda. …

Rep. Tim Huelskamp of Kansas said in an interview that “a lot of folks are talking” about bringing down a rule vote on the House floor.

And Rep. Walter B. Jones of North Carolina, the lone moderate among the purge victims, suggested he might sign a discharge petition sponsored by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to force a floor vote on a fiscal cliff bill passed by the Democratic Senate.

“I, at this point, am not going to sign the discharge petition, but I said ‘at this point.’ I don’t know what next week will bring,” Jones told reporters.

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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: It’s one thing to understand, when we hear the president say rates have to go up, there’s no other way to make this work. This is a purely political statement, it has nothing to do with economics. His own commission, the debt reduction commission that he appointed identified $1.1 trillion of what are called tax expenditures. Meaning loopholes and deductions out there available every year. So over a decade that’s $11 trillion of available revenues without raising rates.

So, all you need to do is get less than one in ten of the dollars. One in ten and you’ve got a $1 trillion in raised revenues without raising rates. The only reason the president insists on raising rates is because he knows it will destroy Republican unity. It will cause a complete fracture of the Republican majority in the House. It will hand him a Congress that he can then manipulate for the next two years at least because the Republicans will be neutered. This is entirely a political action, a way to get a surrender from the Republicans and then what will happen, if he succeeds with this, with the fiction that you have to raise rates rather than eliminate loopholes, is he’ll have weakened Republicans which will allow him to dictate all the terms of whatever entitlement or other reforms if any we will get in the second term.

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You are about to surf the crowd, and the other line is sleepy. So:

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:20 AM

I have never really been a big crowd surfing fan… Way to many strange hands going places they weren’t invited… o_O

Another Rainy Night

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:27 AM

HEY….. IS Anybody Listening?

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:30 AM

I have never really been a big crowd surfing fan… Way to many strange hands going places they weren’t invited… o_O

Another Rainy Night

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:27 AM

Yeah yeah. Quit bragging.

HEY….. IS Anybody Listening?

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Well, yeah! — but Nova keeps linking 10 minute songs that don’t suck!

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:34 AM

Whew! Made it back! I lost my internet connection. My provider was ‘working on it’! I can’t stand those guys!

I’m so sorry if anyone thought I walked out without saying goodnight or anything!

SWALKER, I love ‘Fire Woman’ thanks for cuing it up! :)

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:34 AM

*putting a serious drag on the speed of the queue, in other words :)

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:35 AM

Well, yeah! — but Nova keeps linking 10 minute songs that don’t suck!

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:34 AM

The Mother of ALL Arena Rock Anthems….

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:37 AM

Whew! Made it back! I lost my internet connection. My provider was ‘working on it’! I can’t stand those guys!

I’m so sorry if anyone thought I walked out without saying goodnight or anything!

SWALKER, I love ‘Fire Woman’ thanks for cuing it up! :)

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:34 AM

ROTFLMAO… I don’t think anyone actually likes their internet provider… ;p

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:38 AM

I’m so sorry if anyone thought I walked out without saying goodnight or anything!

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:34 AM

That’s what I thought.

Spark was crying.

Everyone started drinking heavily at that point.

Cops came about an hour ago.

Someone needs to call Dave’s mom, let her know.

Cary is inconsolable.

Good job Jackie.

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:39 AM

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:39 AM

Actually, I was drinking heavily beforehand. Got a late start and trying to make up for it. And since I have to get up and run errands in the morning, I may as well reek of hard liquor.

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 2:41 AM

For Jack…cause you will always be that Sweet Child O’ Mine ;)

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:41 AM

I may as well reek of hard liquor.

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 2:41 AM

ROTFLMAO… Works for me… You effing Rock Star you… ;p

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:42 AM

I just didn’t want you all to think I was being intentionally rude.

My provider is ‘upgrading’ our fiber optic cable and they’ve been promising to have it done for two years now. The latest iteration of that lie is that it will be done before Christmas… again. I’m thinking of going with satellite for internet as well as TV. I’m fed up with this company. It interferes with research for my work, too.

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:44 AM

And since I have to get up and run errands in the morning, I may as well reek of hard liquor.

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 2:41 AM

laughed out loud :)

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:44 AM

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Why,thank you, SWalker, that’s very sweet of you. :) I like the tune a lot, too. :)

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:45 AM

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:42 AM

There is a certain freedom that came with the passing of my twelfth lustrum. I never did give proper concern to other’s opinions, and now I find I’m quite indifferent. Worse still, I take some small pleasure in shocking the complacent.

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 2:46 AM

It interferes with research for my work, too.

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:44 AM

“I’m endeavouring, Ma’am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone-knives and bear-skins.” Wink wink… ;)

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:47 AM

“I’m endeavouring, Ma’am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone-knives and bear-skins.” Wink wink… ;)

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Wow. That;s my standard answer to the question. I say that at least once a day. :)

I mean, geek!

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:49 AM

A Midsummer Night’s Dream – Mendelssohn

For Axe…because I know he enjoyed Shakespeare’s play. Some music to read by. :)

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Kryptonite

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:50 AM

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:47 AM

LOL! Excellent! :)

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:52 AM

I’m A Man

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 2:52 AM

A Midsummer Night’s Dream – Mendelssohn

For Axe…because I know he enjoyed Shakespeare’s play. Some music to read by. :)

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Aw. Now I could cry. I got touched. Hate that. Thanks Jackie. :)

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:52 AM

Time for something civilized: Heifetz plays Dvorak’s Humoresque

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 2:53 AM

Well, party pooper that I am, it’s time for this old geezer to go talk to the Sandman

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:54 AM

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:52 AM

No, you don’t, and you’re welcome. :)

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Time for something civilized: Heifetz plays Dvorak’s Humoresque

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 2:53 AM

Back Demon ——-> We’ll be having none of the “Civilized” Carp here… ;p

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:56 AM

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:54 AM

Goodnight, SWalker. It was great to spend some time with you, again. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:56 AM

Well, party pooper that I am, it’s time for this old geezer to go talk to the Sandman…

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:54 AM

Remember that one for Cindy Munford. :) \m/

Night SWalker.

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:56 AM

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Nice

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 2:56 AM

G’night SW

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 2:57 AM

Back Demon ——-> We’ll be having none of the “Civilized” Carp here… ;p

SWalker on December 5, 2012 at 2:56 AM

How could I be a demon? I’m the one sitting in the sunshine ;)

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 2:58 AM

Damn I just looked at the sun. Now I’m blind.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 2:59 AM

A civilized essay I entitle “My Irrecoverable Youth.”

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 2:59 AM

G’night, Jackie

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 3:07 AM

With this I bid you all goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.

thatsafactjack on December 5, 2012 at 3:05 AM

Night Jackie.

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 3:10 AM

Edward, The Mad Shirt Grinder

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 3:15 AM

If any of you are up just before dawn (yeah right, huh?), there’s a nice line-up of Mercury, Venus and Saturn in the southeastern sky this week.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Night Nova, Current, everyone. I’m off to temporarily evanesce.

Lurkers too. Don’t let anyone put you down — be proud of your lurking. It isn’t easy to shout at a screen and touch not the keyboard. :) It takes discipline, maturity, a sense of proportion, and a realistic sense of self importance — virtues no commenter can afford.

We all play important parts in this story. I, for example, must now go put pants back on my cat. You may be working on a cure for cancer. Together, we are the whole story.

Just *yawn* saying.

*poof*

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 3:26 AM

If any of you are up just before dawn (yeah right, huh?), there’s a nice line-up of Mercury, Venus and Saturn in the southeastern sky this week.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 3:16 AM

*unpoof*

Neat!

*repoof*

Axe on December 5, 2012 at 3:28 AM

Oyasumi Axe

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 3:32 AM

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Cool. But did you catch the recent Full Beaver Moon?

@Axe: Poof!

Driftin’ and Driftin’

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 3:33 AM

Cool. But did you catch the recent Full Beaver Moon?

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 3:33 AM

I can never remember seeing a full moon in recent years.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 3:44 AM

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 3:44 AM

If you’re not careful, you’re going to suffer from a moonbeam deficiency. Unless you’re in Cali.

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 3:53 AM

If you’re not careful, you’re going to suffer from a moonbeam deficiency. Unless you’re in Cali.

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 3:53 AM

Just kidding ;)

Here’s a lunar eclipse I photographed last December.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 3:57 AM

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 3:57 AM

Cool pic. Where is the eclipse part?

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 4:04 AM

Cool pic. Where is the eclipse part?

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 4:04 AM

The moon is in eclipse by the earth, so it looks orange.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 4:06 AM

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 4:06 AM

OK, gotcha. Was just thinking an eclipse would be black on black, maybe just a little crescent showing…

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 4:20 AM

OK, gotcha. Was just thinking an eclipse would be black on black, maybe just a little crescent showing…

novaculus on December 5, 2012 at 4:20 AM

Longer wavelengths of visible light are refracted through the earth’s atmosphere into the shadow, so it usually appears orange ~ red.

DarkCurrent on December 5, 2012 at 4:28 AM

PRESENT!

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 5:42 AM

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 5:42 AM

hiya!

renalin on December 5, 2012 at 5:51 AM

renalin on December 5, 2012 at 5:51 AM

morning!

:)

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 5:54 AM

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canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 5:54 AM

just thinking when i was a kid driving through arizona with my dad and sister, listening to “by the time i get to phoenix” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJoi2QpbiF4

good times. good times.

renalin on December 5, 2012 at 5:55 AM

Mornin’

OmahaConservative on December 5, 2012 at 5:55 AM

renalin on December 5, 2012 at 5:51 AM

morning!

:)

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 5:54 AM

cmsinaz:Good Morning to both of you:)
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We Were Soldiers
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBbQm1avEY

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 5:59 AM

renalin on December 5, 2012 at 5:55 AM

excellent :)

morning OC and Canopfor!!

another day another blame the gop for everything that is wrong with this country even though we have a dem president who won’t do squat

ugh

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:05 AM

Hmmmmmm……….

Turkey says it has received no new US request to cut oil imports from Iran – @Reuters

20 mins ago from http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com by editor

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-says-received-no-new-us-request-to-cut-iran-oil-imports.aspx?pageID=238&nID=36156&NewsCatID=338

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:06 AM

you know the msdnc crew advised the president to double down…

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:07 AM

**** Goons are sticking to there story *****

Iran reiterates claim that it captured a US drone despite US military denial – @AFP

1 hour ago from english.alarabiya.net by editor
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http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/05/253462.html

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:08 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:06 AM

dear leader has iran’s back

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:09 AM

dear leader claims they’ve already made their spending cuts..it’s time to just increase taxes…he’ll lower the rates at a later time

what a crock

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:11 AM

Speaking of Red Alert!!

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Rep. Amash: Removal from House committees “a slap in the face” to young people http://bit.ly/WHAPhc via @kelseyosterman

http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/12/04/rep-amash-removal-from-house-committees-a-slap-in-the-face-to-young-people/

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:13 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:13 AM

cool linky

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:16 AM

dear leader claims they’ve already made their spending cuts..it’s time to just increase taxes…he’ll lower the rates at a later time

what a crock

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:11 AM

cmsinaz:Yup,talking out of,both sides,of his mouth!!

Maybe,Magic Beans and Fairy Dust will work:)
(sarc)
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White House Press Secretary: GOP Fiscal Cliff Plan Is ‘Magic Beans And Fairy Dust’
video
4:14 pm, December 4th, 2012
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/white-house-press-secretary-gop-fiscal-cliff-plan-is-magic-beans-and-fairy-dust/

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:20 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:13 AM

cool linky

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:16 AM

cmsinaz:I stumbled on it, Twitter Linky hopping!:)

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:22 AM

We.Are.Doomed.

OmahaConservative on December 5, 2012 at 6:24 AM

Maybe,Magic Beans and Fairy Dust will work:)
(sarc)

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:20 AM

heh :)

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:22 AM

excellent…continue the hop!

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:25 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:08 A

I find the Iranians more believable than our own government.

esr1951 on December 5, 2012 at 6:34 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:22 AM

excellent…continue the hop!

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:25 AM

cmsinaz:Haha,ya,I building a Info Gathering Gold Mine!!:)

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:36 AM

O/T: This is Agent Maxwell Smart. KJ will be here later. He has been…detained. Here’s his take.

kingsjester on December 5, 2012 at 6:38 AM

***** PopCorn Alert *****
(sarc)

Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood calls for protest on Wednesday at presidential palace after ‘oppressive abuses’ by opposition – @Reuters

3 mins ago by editor

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:38 AM

Senator Jim DeMint, a favorite of the anti-tax Tea Party movement, said the proposal by House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner for $800 billion in increased tax revenues would “destroy jobs and allow Washington politicians” to swell, not reduce, the deficit. …

In a statement, DeMint said, “This isn’t rocket science. Everyone knows that when you take money out of the economy (with tax hikes), it destroys jobs, and everyone knows that when you give politicians more money, they spend it,” DeMint said.

Oh yeah, this is helpful..let’s just do Obama’s PR for him…DeMint said” ““You can’t get a deal with Obama without raising taxes on the producing class of folks. We might as well cut a deal. If Republicans want to maintain the defense, we’re going to have to give tax increases to Obama.”

Republicans have been talking about tax reform for a long long time..DeMint does not have to act as if he has never heard of such a thing. In fact, back in 2011 the GOP was talking revenue. Maybe DeMint has been so busy backing loser candidates for the Senate that he just forgot.

Terrye on December 5, 2012 at 6:41 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:36 AM

you’re da man

kingsjester on December 5, 2012 at 6:38 AM

*shudder*

cripe, i think i hear a copter outside my window…

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:43 AM

**** IranianGoon ALERT ***********

Update: Iran says it has obtained data from a US intelligence drone showing it was spying on military and oil sites – @Reuters

2 mins ago by editor
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https://twitter.com/Reuters

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:45 AM

So Levin is pissed…imagine that. He is always pissed. Being pissed and yelling is his best thing.

The whole thing about the purge seems silly to me as well. I am sorry, but the Republicans lost…after a loss there is a shakeup. Even in sports we see that.

Some of these purists do not seem to grasp the fact that we lost and the GOP does not have the votes to do what they are demanding they do. That does not mean they should just roll over for the Democrats, but they do not need to make it easier for the Democrats to lay the blame for the carnage at the feet of conservatives. That is exactly what Obama is hoping for. He is all about public opinion and the politics of the moment. The only way to make him blink is to make him believe he might pay a price for this..That means we need to look as if we are least trying to come up with a solution.

The talk radio people do not have to come up with solutions…all they have to do is run their mouths…I have stopped listening to them. I am tired of their schtick.

Terrye on December 5, 2012 at 6:46 AM

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 6:43 AM

Yep.

kingsjester on December 5, 2012 at 6:50 AM

From DownUnder,……enjoy!!!

Audio: Australian radio DJs impersonate The Queen and Prince Charles in call to Duchess of Cambridge nurse – @perthnow

8 mins ago from http://www.perthnow.com.au by editor
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2Day FM duo impersonates the Queen
The Daily Telegraph
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http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/national/day-fm-duo-impersonate-queen/story-fndo4gtr-1226530546575

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:54 AM

****Iranian GoonSpyPlane Alert #3!

Update: Iran says it has obtained data from a US intelligence drone showing it was spying on military and oil sites – @Reuters

14 mins ago by editor

https://twitter.com/Reuters

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:57 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:54 AM

holy cow…i guess hippa rules do not apply…

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 7:01 AM

The talk radio people do not have to come up with solutions…all they have to do is run their mouths…I have stopped listening to them. I am tired of their schtick.

Terrye on December 5, 2012 at 6:46 AM

i agree. don’t listen to much talk radio anymore. waste of time. problem is the studpid gop pick thurston howell III to be our candidate and now we’re the party of the rich.

we need to change the dynamic and pick a populist. we need a candidate of the people.

renalin on December 5, 2012 at 7:28 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 6:54 AM

holy cow…i guess hippa rules do not apply…

cmsinaz on December 5, 2012 at 7:01 AM

cmsinaz:Lol,I’ll be back,little grandson is up:)

canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 7:28 AM

“There’s been a lot of talk that we can raise $800 billion or $1 trillion in revenues just by cutting loopholes,” Obama said. “But a lot of your viewers understand that the only way to do that would be if you completely eliminated, for example, charitable deductions.”

Awww… he didn’t use the home interest kickback, which would have been the obvious one to use… maybe *it* is on the table.

I jest, of course.

The comeback to this position about any one deduction going: say you want all of the deductions gone and a 10% decrease in the tax RATE to bring it closer to what is effectively being paid now with all the loopholes, givebacks, kickbacks, pay-offs and social engineering under the current system. That will get you more revenue, higher compliance and simplify the tax code.

This isn’t about ‘revenue’ it is about punishing successful people for being successful. If you want to do that, just say so and put in a lash on ALL people who pay taxes to be done in public and impartially by a designated individual who will scourge this idea of ‘success’ through fleshly mortification. Say one lash for every thousand dollars you make above the poverty line… that will cure people of this idea that being successful is a reward! And you can say that the lashings will not stop until everyone gets with the program of being poor.

ajacksonian on December 5, 2012 at 7:40 AM

SERIOUS about fiscal discipline?

THE PAPPY PLAN.

1. Seal the border.

2. 10% across-the-board spending CUTS!!!!

Simple, fair, shared sacrifice.

It’s all just political theater, at the end of the day DC wants to grow their power and spend more……

…..BECAUSE….. THEY ARE GREEDY……like the “rich” and the evil profit makers they constantly criticize.

PappyD61 on December 5, 2012 at 7:45 AM

The mainstream media MUST be either taken over OR DESTROYED.

Why?

Because Obama can blame EVERYTHING on the gop and the media will report it as fact.

PappyD61 on December 5, 2012 at 7:52 AM

Simple, fair, shared sacrifice.

PappyD61 on December 5, 2012 at 7:45 AM

How exactly are whores like Sandra Fluke going to get their free contraception with that kind of attitude?

Happy Nomad on December 5, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Boehner’s tearing his own support apart from the inside. Vindictive sob. If he really believes in his ‘plan’, he should bring it up for a vote and send it to the senate. The prezzy isn’t serious about not going over this cliff so just leave him out of the process.

Kissmygrits on December 5, 2012 at 9:12 AM

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