Conservative purge in the House Republican caucus?

posted at 9:41 am on December 4, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Has John Boehner decided to crack down on dissent within the House caucus?  Roll Call’s Jonathan Strong reports on a reshuffle of the committee-assignment deck that leaves a few conservatives without a hand in the coming fiscal-cliff fight:

Speaker John A. Boehner initiated today a small purge of rebellious Republicans — mostly conservatives — from prominent committees; it’s the latest instance of the Ohio Republican’s clamping down on his fractious conference.

The decisions were made by the GOP Steering Committee at a Monday meeting, which reviewed a spreadsheet listing each GOP lawmaker and how often he or she had voted with leadership, three sources said.

Reps. David Schweikert of Arizona and Walter Jones of North Carolina were booted from the Financial Services Committee. Reps. Justin Amash of Michigan and Tim Huelskamp of Kansas were removed from the Budget Committee.

According to a source, Schweikert was told that he was ousted in part because his “votes were not in lockstep with leadership.”

The correlation to dissent may not cover the reshuffle entire, Strong reports.  For instance, Schweikart’s problem might be less his votes and more in the way he campaigned against Ben Quayle:

Schweikert defeated Rep. Ben Quayle in a contentious GOP primary and was not regarded as leadership’s first choice in that race. Schweikert’s tactics in the rough-and-tumble primary, according to several sources, rubbed leaders the wrong way.

A GOP lobbyist emailed about the Schweikert situation, “Wow. Don’t F w Jeb.” The reference was apparently to incoming Financial Services Chairman Jeb Hensarling of Texas, the departing GOP Conference chairman.

When analyzing assignment changes, don’t entirely discount the personal over the political.  The fiscal cliff could be coincidental to this, as this is the normal time for reassessing committee assignments for the upcoming session of Congress.  These committee spots are given out for many reasons, and policy fealty is only one of them.  Anyone who has seen politics up close at any level learns quickly that the systems are set up to reward and punish based on the whims of those elected to leadership.

That’s why Nancy Pelosi was so eager to retain her leadership of the House Democratic Caucus.  It’s also why her decision prompted no rebellion among those whom she had either appointed or protected to get into leadership along with her.

However, the changes certainly appear to prepare Boehner to deliver on any agreement he makes with Harry Reid and Barack Obama.  That came up as an issue in the summer of 2011, when a back-bench revolt began to look likely as details of the “grand bargain” got leaked during the final days of the debt-limit crisis.  It signals that Boehner wants to have a carte blanche on negotiations this time around, and that his leadership appears ready to give it to him.


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*gag*

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Holding the position that there is no possibility of discussion is holding the position of a true believer. The mind is made up..the mind is closed to any suggestion that it may be closed.
This is not the way to succeed in much of anything of importance imo.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Palin has her nunchucks out and is clubbing the GOPe about the head and shoulders. I love her.

Mr. Arrogant on December 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM

It makes one wonder how many of those “Romney supporters” were actually Mobys, simply here to screw with Conservatives.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I think you are right. Where are they? Same thing happened during the time before Sarah decided not to run, remember? Haven’t seen them since. Nor those during the Primaries/Debates and after. They could not all have been banned:-)

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM

It makes one wonder how many of those “Romney supporters” were actually Mobys, simply here to screw with Conservatives.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I think the majority of them were real. I’ve only been actively posting a short time here, but I’ve been reading the blog since 2008 pretty regularly. There were posters who’d been here for years that talked like liberals mostly through the primaries to help get Romney rammed through; I found it shocking and disillusioning. There were probably some mobys, but their presence was unecessary – the scorched earth campaign by and large did the damage for them.

A trick you can use to tell whether a commenter should be taken seriously or not is to compare their posts to those of known liberal trolls. If they sound alike, it’s probably someone you can tune out or refute. Again, the recent Green Room Allen West thread is a good demonstration of this.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM

It has much to do with why we are treated as insignificant, because we are.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM

treated like this, because the majority are

One more time – the gov’t does NOT generate revenues.

Taxes are taxes, are stolen under the gun from the producers. They are always taxes and nothing else.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Good point.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Somehow we became thankful for anything they let us keep and downright giddy over anything they “give” us. To say we are doing it wrong is a major understatement. And they control the education of our children to make sure we have generation after generation of appreciative citizens.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM

– Sarah Palin

idesign on December 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM

God Bless Sarah Palin!! Waiting to hear from other Conservatives on Boehner’s latest self-serving power grab.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Yeah, because Ramirez was/is so…wait…totally in Mitt’s azz, or something.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM

As bad as Obama is, in fact Romney was the biggest fake in the 2012 election, not Obama. Ramirez should have had Obama and Romney in his cartoon speaking in unison, but with Romney speaking louder, in all bold caps.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 1:54 PM

sharrukin on December 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Maybe you didn’t understand my point.
It was this:
The choice was not between 2 men with different methods of moving America forward. It was between moving America and destroying America via “Fundamentally transforming America”..

In your own words, how..if at all..do these two positions differ?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM

We are responsible for paying for the security of our country, roads and infrastructure that we all benefit from, as noted in the Constitution. You are right, the government has no way to generate revenues. The fact is we should not be paying for more than the citizenry can afford. I know that we have borrowed in the past but now we are just like the jobless people given mortgages on homes we can’t afford. We have allowed ourselves to be written out of the equation.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Apparently the Republican party has decided to force conservatives to form their own party…

fabrexe on December 4, 2012 at 1:59 PM

It makes one wonder how many of those “Romney supporters” were actually Mobys, simply here to screw with Conservatives.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Most of the Romney fanatics that were here during the election were unfamiliar names. Many of the more traditional conservatives that used to comment here, who supported anybody-but-Romney during the primaries, went away during the election and a smaller group of Romney supporters would chit chat amongst themselves, racking up comment numbers, and smear and attack any dissenters that showed up.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM

and smear and attack any dissenters that showed up.

I didn’t have the heart nor the motivation to tell the Romney fanatics that the people they were attacking are the people they need to convince to vote for their candidate if they want to win.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 2:04 PM

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 1:54 PM

I was not a Romney fan in 2008, nor in 2012. The primaries in 2011/2012 were very painful. However, one of the two loves his country and the other will destroy her beyond recovery.

All who enabled Obama, twice, need to be destroyed. I wish the toughest wrath on all. Obama will be undeterred in a second term and he and Michelle HATE the US. You ain’t seeen nothing yet.

His Utopian dream is way more powerful than yours. You’ll see so much that has not even been imagined. He’ll make Russia a welcoming heaven.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM

No disagreement

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Primaries have purpose and consequences.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:08 PM

He is something else. Can you guess what that might be?

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Yes, President of the United States for the next four years.

plewis on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I wasn’t aware that “President of the United States” was a political ideology.
Learn something every day.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 2:10 PM

The weeper is certainly not particularly well disposed to fiscal +/or social conservatives, is he? Sounds like the quintessential mainstream republican. Good luck with that. I am uncomfortably numb thanks to the recent behavior of the republicans in response to the election. i hope it wears off by new years, but i doubt it.

Fuquay Steve on December 4, 2012 at 2:10 PM

And that goes especially against the RINOs. Or should that be winos? Or whinos?

The GOP is useless and worthless. I wish they would all finally own up and merge with the Dems, so we Conservatives are left without hope of them and are forced to create a new Party that finally and truly speaks for us.
Liam on December 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

We are the RINOs now.

For the liberals and wimpy squishes that ARE the GOP now, I propose we call them DIABLOs.
.

Democrats In All But Label Only.

LegendHasIt on December 4, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Perhaps all that grumbling that Boehner isn’t a Conservative has some merit.

Another Drew on December 4, 2012 at 2:13 PM

And they control the education of our children to make sure we have generation after generation of appreciative citizens.

Cindy Munford on December 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Thats how it was done. From the schools to the universities, to the media, to the culture. All at the same time over decades. There were many people pointing it out, only to be made fun of.
And here we are. To replicate the process will be difficult.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Yes, President of the United States for the next four years.
plewis on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Indeed

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Primaries have purpose and consequences.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Which is why cheating cannot be tolerated.

…But was tolerated, including by yourself and my Parents, who were also informed of the cheating.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Indeed, Legend.

Perhaps all that grumbling that Boehner isn’t a Conservative has some merit.

Another Drew on December 4, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Understatements are indignant.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:19 PM

The GOP is too corrupt to save.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 2:20 PM

At some point you have to stop giving your neighbor, cousin or in-laws the benefit of the doubt as to their nature. If they are still voting for democrats at this juncture they know what they are voting for. They are equally complicit with the destruction of our Republic. And yes I have a couple of these types in my family. We don’t get along what-so-ever. I no longer give them the benefit of the doubt because they have been educated and still support the dims because the dims “care.” Their exact words.

chemman on December 4, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I agree to some point. I’m finding it almost unbearable to interact with my liberal friends…just knowing how they think annoys me badly.
It’s the stupid…I can’t take it. What makes it worse is they think and act like they are smart and open minded and tolerant. The blindness to their own hypocrisy is staggering.

They may change when they get hit with the crap thats coming…I doubt it for any but the few, but some may wake up.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 2:20 PM

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Enjoy Obama, or change the primary system.

No one cheated. I supported your idealistic fight, for idealism’s sake. The world is not Utopia.

May the destruction continue, apace.

I will starve the Looters. It’s the only way I know how to fight them.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Yes, President of the United States for the next four years.
plewis on December 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Yup!….just like Romney would be.
No difference at all.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 2:22 PM

FR, when I said “No one cheated” I meant your parents or self. We are not in the RNC machine. I don’t know your parents but I know that I’m not.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:22 PM

coldwarrior on December 4, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Thomas Paine is one of my favorite Patriots. After reading his works, I think he had more to do with the writing of the Declaration of Independence than anyone.

Without Thomas Paine, I doubt we would have won the American Revolution.

His writings should be required reading in every school. Students would have a better appreciation of America and it’s founding and the price paid. The same could be said of Adults also.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 2:26 PM

change the primary system.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:21 PM

That’s impossible, the votes that the GOP establishment rigged at the National Convention allows them to make up and change the rules of future primaries by fiat, at any point in the process. They’ve granted themselves the right to cheat! The Republican Party has made it impossible for a grass roots effort to save it. Therefor there is no choice but to abandon it.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Yeah, because Ramirez was/is so…wait…totally in Mitt’s azz, or something.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM

As was Drudge. I stopped reading that blog a while ago.

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Obama is a charlatanic narcissistic America-hating, muzzie-loving, arrogant thug.

Enjoy the destruction.

Maybe he’ll do it so fast that the frogs will jump out of the pan. There is a 1% chance for the latter.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:28 PM

O/T Morsi flees Palace!! Drudge/Rush and others

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Therefor(e) there is no choice but to abandon it.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Done that years ago. However, Ron Paul is not for me. I can dig him economically/financially, but not otherwise. Looking for a real leader…his son is not one any more either.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:30 PM

O/T Morsi flees Palace!! Drudge/Rush and others

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 2:28 PM

May he be torn into pieces, literally.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:30 PM

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Do you get sarcasm, without this /?

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:31 PM

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Just saw the Reuters feed on that.

Am waiting for news that Obama has fled the White House.

You know, when I was a bit younger, and still in school, we learned about how Americans stood up and fought to make this country a real Nation and made this Nation strong. Took personal risks. Made a stand. drew that line in the sand and then went hell for leather to make things right.

Sad, truly sad, but these days, seems the college kids in Iran, the dissidents in Syria, and now, regular Egyptian citizens, have more stones than we.

Tyranny is tyranny.

The only way to stop it is to destroy it.

Wonder what Sam Power and Val Jarrett are saying over at the SITROOM. They birthed this Morsi baby.

Think Obama will send in the Marines to save Morsi?

coldwarrior on December 4, 2012 at 2:37 PM

– Sarah Palin

idesign on December 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Yes. As I said a few weeks ago, I see her running a slow-building populist insurrectionist movement from within the party, not a third party. She’s going to steal it from them under their noses.

rrpjr on December 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Perhaps all that grumbling that Boehner isn’t a Conservative has some merit.

Another Drew on December 4, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Hadn’t heard anyone say they thot Boehner was a Conservative; even the Dems know better than that, LOL

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Yes. As I said a few weeks ago, I see her running a slow-building populist insurrectionist movement from within the party, not a third party. She’s going to steal it from them under their noses.

rrpjr on December 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Probably the only way to do so, 3 party elections will always benefit liberals.

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Boehner should go purge himself.

Buttercup on December 4, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Anyone who keeps even one jaundiced eye on Republican politics (GOP/RNC) and the current stable of RINO’s running the show should have seen a purge coming — especially after Boehner and Preibus walked away from the election keeping their positions without so much as a whimper of challenge.

I did.

I dumped the GOP/RNC and re-registered as ‘Other: Unaffiliated‘ two weeks ago. I have to forgo primaries — but I care not. I shall vote for the best person for the job regardless of political affiliation on election day. Period.

GOP/RNC has abandoned Conservatives and they can literally stuff it where the sun don’t shine. I’m done with them for good.

FlatFoot on December 4, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Am waiting for news that Obama has fled the White House.

Sad, truly sad, but these days, seems the college kids in Iran, the dissidents in Syria, and now, regular Egyptian citizens, have more stones than we.

Wonder what Sam Power and Val Jarrett are saying over at the SITROOM. They birthed this Morsi baby.

Think Obama will send in the Marines to save Morsi?

coldwarrior on December 4, 2012 at 2:37 PM

If Obama fled the White House, we’d all be dancing in the streets!
Yes, those in the M.E. Countries either thirst for Freedom as Iran, or have had Dictators (Murbarak) and don’t want it again with Morsi.
Our Revolutionaries also experienced it under King George.

We here in America have enjoyed the fruit of previous sacrifices of our Warriors, but haven’t experienced what some M.E. peoples have.

No, I don’t think Obama will send in the Marines to save Morsi. B.O. has made his bed with that and perhaps the “my enemy of my enemy is my friend” will kick in and aid those opposing Morsi.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Yes. As I said a few weeks ago, I see her running a slow-building populist insurrectionist movement from within the party, not a third party. She’s going to steal it from them under their noses.

rrpjr on December 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM

The time for an insurrectionist movement within the GOP was 2008-2012. It failed, and most of its leading lights were utterly destroyed personally and politically by the GOP working closely with the MSM and the Democrats. We have a long hard road ahead of us to rebuild with a third party.

Probably the only way to do so, 3 party elections will always benefit liberals.

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 2:41 PM

This is true until it’s not. The point is less to make a third party than to make a new second party and rip apart the GOP externally, since it’s proven impossible to reform internally. If it can be done in Britain (UKIP) then we can do it here.

Doomberg on December 4, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Boehner would rather please Obama than please conservatives.

Lets face it… I expect a little more huffing and puffing over the budget.. but in the end they will give Obama more than what he wants.

That’s what they did last time.. and the time before. why would this be any different.

JellyToast on December 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Yes. As I said a few weeks ago, I see her running a slow-building populist insurrectionist movement from within the party, not a third party. She’s going to steal it from them under their noses.

rrpjr on December 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM

That’s impossible. No candidate who truly challenges the GOP establishment can win the nomination ever again because the GOP establishment granted themselves a veto. They can change and make up new rules in the ’16 primaries that will make it impossible for Palin or anybody else to win.

So if Palin wants to run and challenge the corrupt establishment then it will have to be on a 3rd party ticket unless the grass roots can reverse the rule changes.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM

There will never be another Reagan in the Republican Party that challenges the GOP establishment because of these new rule changes.

Boehner just purged conservatives from leadership roles.

ABANDON SHIP!!!

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Hey John – you can rot in hell with Harry and Barack, champ.

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:06 PM

That’s what they did last time.. and the time before. why would this be any different.

JellyToast on December 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM

That’s right, and some of us here and elsewhere warned Boehner not to walk into that trap yet he did it anyway, knowing it was a trap. By the powers of deduction it seems apparent that Boehner voluntarily gave the Democrats all the ammo they needed in order to force Boehner to raise taxes and make it seem like it’s against his will, when in fact that’s exactly what crooked, big-gov Republicans want, more taxes and spending.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Ah my friend I too await a Cincinnatus or a Jefferson to arise from the mass and lead us back to the founding principles, but my cynicism says that it will not happen until after the fall, when men born of strife, who are flawed but yet hold to the principles of the fabric of this nation, shall stand with stern face in the midst of chaos, while all else cower, and know that they will survive to rebuild this great Republic, with hands worn with work, a mind learned with experience, and a heart that beats only for the freedom of the soul.

MarshFox on December 4, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Yeah, time to remove selves from GOP registration. Maybe if enough people start pro-actively *leaving* rather than quietly doing nothing, they’ll notice?

Haha – I almost thought that would seriously have an impact there for a second. Sorry; never mind. Every once in awhile a glimmer of hope perks in my brain, then reality reaches in to stomp on it with a large boot.

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Ah my friend I too await a Cincinnatus or a Jefferson to arise from the mass and lead us back to the founding principles, but my cynicism says that it will not happen until after the fall, when men born of strife, who are flawed but yet hold to the principles of the fabric of this nation, shall stand with stern face in the midst of chaos, while all else cower, and know that they will survive to rebuild this great Republic, with hands worn with work, a mind learned with experience, and a heart that beats only for the freedom of the soul.

That’s better, now the wrong thing isn’t block quoted, should have known better not checking my own work first.!

MarshFox on December 4, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Tyranny is tyranny.

The only way to stop it is to destroy it.

coldwarrior on December 4, 2012 at 2:37 PM

I love Levin and others, but this point infuriates me; I’ve been dying to get online and ask for the past few years, while he’s been ranting – rightly – that we’re watching tyranny expand before our very eyes, and at the same time, would slam anyone that talked about the need to *do* anything about it (beyond ‘vote’, like that works).

Look, it’s either tyranny or it isn’t. If it *is*, then we have a mandate from the founders regarding what to do about it. If it *isn’t*, then stop using that word and stop whining.

So… is it, or isn’t it?

From where I’m sitting, the founders were already at war over less than we’re sitting by, mumbling about. Am I mistaken?

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Only two of the democrat nominees have won….what’s your point? How many third party/libertarian candidates have won in the last 200 years?

xblade on December 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Two out of three. That’s a 66% success rate versus your one-in-five 20% success rate.

The point is it’s silly for you or any Republican to scoff at Libertarian candidates as unelectable when you aren’t exactly winning elections yourselves.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Leaving the GOP may not result in a change of policies, but I’m doing so just to make a point. I intend to email Boehner and others so they will know why, not simply change my Registration quietly.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 3:24 PM

From where I’m sitting, the founders were already at war over less than we’re sitting by, mumbling about. Am I mistaken?

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Have you shopped for a AR15 lately? Waiting times vary up to 12 months lead time.

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 3:26 PM

It’s difficult to decide whom I find more contemptuous, Obama and his policies or the disorganized, milquetoast Republicans for yielding the country to him.

rplat on December 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM

That’s impossible, the votes that the GOP establishment rigged at the National Convention allows them to make up and change the rules of future primaries by fiat, at any point in the process. They’ve granted themselves the right to cheat! The Republican Party has made it impossible for a grass roots effort to save it. Therefor there is no choice but to abandon it

^^^^^THIS

Many here failed to see what the GOPE was doing. They are trying to establish an permanent democrat-lite dynasty for decades to come.

journeymike on December 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Leaving the GOP may not result in a change of policies, but I’m doing so just to make a point. I intend to email Boehner and others so they will know why, not simply change my Registration quietly.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Problem with leaving only RINOs in GOP is that GOP primaries will then produce RINO candidates (see Romney).

We need to control primaries since once past primaries its way too late (see 2012/Romney).

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Hey John; the Dems may be traitorous, lying weasels – but at least they have *balls*, you traitorous, lying sackless weasel.

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:30 PM

The point is it’s silly for you or any Republican to scoff at Libertarian candidates as unelectable when you aren’t exactly winning elections yourselves.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

1 to 3% of the vote compared to 47% to 56%

Of course, the most libertarian presidential candidate in office would still be way too much government for you anyways.

So what is the point.

Wait for Obama to do his deed, and then you and your pals can all just try and take a small part of a coastal state for your own.

astonerii on December 4, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Two out of three. That’s a 66% success rate versus your one-in-five 20% success rate.

The point is it’s silly for you or any Republican to scoff at Libertarian candidates as unelectable when you aren’t exactly winning elections yourselves.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

My mistake, I forgot Gore in ’00. So that’s 2 out of four, bringing it to 50%.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Have you shopped for a AR15 lately? Waiting times vary up to 12 months lead time.

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Lately? No, no I haven’t. :)

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:35 PM

I love Levin and others, but this point infuriates me; I’ve been dying to get online and ask for the past few years, while he’s been ranting – rightly – that we’re watching tyranny expand before our very eyes, and at the same time, would slam anyone that talked about the need to *do* anything about it (beyond ‘vote’, like that works).

Look, it’s either tyranny or it isn’t. If it *is*, then we have a mandate from the founders regarding what to do about it. If it *isn’t*, then stop using that word and stop whining.

So… is it, or isn’t it?

From where I’m sitting, the founders were already at war over less than we’re sitting by, mumbling about. Am I mistaken?

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM

LOL. Levin’s a joke. He supports statist, centralized power, and unconstitutional acts/actions such as the War Powers Resolution, and he’s trying to convince you he worries about tyranny?

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Ah my friend I too await a Cincinnatus or a Jefferson to arise from the mass and lead us back to the founding principles,…

MarshFox on December 4, 2012 at 3:10 PM

There was one, and he was running for president. He was roundly mocked and criticized by so-called conservatives. Did you support him?

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM

That’s impossible, the votes that the GOP establishment rigged at the National Convention allows them to make up and change the rules of future primaries by fiat, at any point in the process. They’ve granted themselves the right to cheat! The Republican Party has made it impossible for a grass roots effort to save it. Therefor there is no choice but to abandon it

^^^^^THIS

Many here failed to see what the GOPE was doing. They are trying to establish an permanent democrat-lite dynasty for decades to come.

journeymike on December 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM

John Bonehead did this there read the vote passed off a teleprompter when it was clear it did not. He then refused a recorded vote cheating and breaking the rules of the Convention. Meanwhile he had kidnapped three buses full of Tea Party people directing their buses to drive in circles to keep them from voting.

We have met the enemy and the enemy is us.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Palin has her nunchucks out and is clubbing the GOPe about the head and shoulders. I love her.
Mr. Arrogant on December 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Palin is just as worthless as the rest of the conservative pundits who make big bucks pounding the dems:

It’s the same with dentists who live off of bad teeth while always admonishing us to avoid them. And darn good racket, if you ask me.

Same goes for the whole of worthless Fox News.

And the repubs too.

Sherman1864 on December 4, 2012 at 3:41 PM

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Problem with leaving only RINOs in GOP is that GOP primaries will then produce RINO candidates (see Romney).

We need to control primaries since once past primaries its way too late (see 2012/Romney).

riddick on December 4, 2012 at 3:28 PM

I’m not looking that far ahead at the moment, just wanting to make a statement to Boehner now. Just like the 70 Conservatives that sent a letter to every member of the GOP and a separate letter sent by Brent Bozell to the RNC Chair. Putting them on notice.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 3:44 PM

LOL. Levin’s a joke. He supports statist, centralized power, and unconstitutional acts/actions such as the War Powers Resolution, and he’s trying to convince you he worries about tyranny?

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM

It seems we listen to different Levin’s. You can’t listen to any given 15 minutes of Mark Levin and come away with the faintest notion that he supports statism, centralized power, etc.

imho

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Last time I looked, Palin lost an election, quit her governorship, and went Hollywood.

Meanwhile, I guess she is aware despite all her “nunchucking” that it did not one little thing to change the results of the election:

“Vultures, vultures everywhere!”

Sherman1864 on December 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM

We have met the enemy and the enemy is us.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 3:40 PM

No, the enemy is not us; it’s those that have made themselves the enemy.

I know what they did about the rules etc. Just as Boehner/McConnell has done for 4 years and are intending to do again. Those that work and plot against the Country and the American people are the enemy. I don’t include myself nor you in that group!!

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 3:48 PM

It seems we listen to different Levin’s. You can’t listen to any given 15 minutes of Mark Levin and come away with the faintest notion that he supports statism, centralized power, etc.

imho

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Yes, it seems we do. Here’s to the fleece being removed from your eyes someday soon.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:50 PM

It seems we listen to different Levin’s. You can’t listen to any given 15 minutes of Mark Levin and come away with the faintest notion that he supports statism, centralized power, etc.

imho

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Just like Rush he makes a living on the Radio.

It is best to keep the platform and sometimes making the message slowly is the best way to present it anyway. Other times sarcasm and playing the devil is the way. It is partially entertainment as well.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM

There was one, and he she was running for president. He She was roundly mocked and criticized by so-called conservatives. Did you support him? her?

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Why yes I did support Michelle Bachman the ONLY Conservative to run.
FYI- Anti-semitism is not a conservative value.

Buttercup on December 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM

There was one, and he was running for president. He was roundly mocked and criticized by so-called conservatives. Did you support him?

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM

He said someone that was like Jefferson. Not someone who went to school with Jefferson.

kingsjester on December 4, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM

I saw no one that fit that bill this last time, though I saw a few that talked a good game, even a few that wore the moniker of Libertarian by there name, either in part or whole, however their past actions say different, talkin ain’t doin, and we need the doin!

MarshFox on December 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM

LOL. Levin’s a joke. He supports statist, centralized power, and unconstitutional acts/actions such as the War Powers Resolution, and he’s trying to convince you he worries about tyranny?

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Having an opinion is one thing, lying is another. If you are against Levin, then another blog would be to your liking.

It’s clear by your statement you don’t listen to him, nor have you read his books.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Just like Rush he makes a living on the Radio.

It is best to keep the platform and sometimes making the message slowly is the best way to present it anyway. Other times sarcasm and playing the devil is the way. It is partially entertainment as well.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Levin does have his radio program Steveangell. However, he is the founder and head of the Landmark Legal Foundation and does much work there protecting our rights under the Constitution/Bill of Rights. He also works with other Legal causes. And he is an author of several books.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Yeah, time to remove selves from GOP registration. Maybe if enough people start pro-actively *leaving* rather than quietly doing nothing, they’ll notice?

Haha – I almost thought that would seriously have an impact there for a second. Sorry; never mind. Every once in awhile a glimmer of hope perks in my brain, then reality reaches in to stomp on it with a large boot.

Midas on December 4, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Yeah, they’d like you to vote for them for lack of another choice but don’t want your influence, and have taken action to prevent your influence, and thanks to billions of dollars worth of propaganda they don’t need a grass roots any longer, so they think.

There is no saving the GOP, especially because of the rule changes I’ve mentioned. Click on my name below for more info, or research it yourself online if you don’t believe me. It is too corrupt to save.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Well, I see the trolls showed up. I’m done here…

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Wasn’t speaking of you FloatingRock. Time to cook dinner anyway:-)

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Why yes I did support Michelle Bachman the ONLY Conservative to run.
FYI- Anti-semitism is not a conservative value.

Buttercup on December 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM

I was not speaking of Michele “President Bachmann will allow you to buy any light bulb you want” Bachmann. I was speaking of Ron Paul. I do not know what you are referring to regarding anti-semitism.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 4:05 PM

It signals that Boehner wants to have a carte blanche on negotiations this time around

The Spelunker of the House is going caving and wants no hitches in his descent…

Gohawgs on December 4, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Levin does have his radio program Steveangell. However, he is the founder and head of the Landmark Legal Foundation and does much work there protecting our rights under the Constitution/Bill of Rights. He also works with other Legal causes. And he is an author of several books.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Now that’s funny.

Having an opinion is one thing, lying is another. If you are against Levin, then another blog would be to your liking.

It’s clear by your statement you don’t listen to him, nor have you read his books.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM

I didn’t realize this was a Mark Levin blog. Thanks for your concern. And no, I did not lie about anything. Levin is an establishment shill who favors centralized authoritarian government and who is ignorant of the Constitution, even though he would have you believe that he isn’t.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I saw no one that fit that bill this last time, though I saw a few that talked a good game, even a few that wore the moniker of Libertarian by there name, either in part or whole, however their past actions say different, talkin ain’t doin, and we need the doin!

MarshFox on December 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM

The candidate was Ron Paul.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I was not speaking of Michele “President Bachmann will allow you to buy any light bulb you want” Bachmann. I was speaking of Ron Paul. I do not know what you are referring to regarding anti-semitism.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Yeah, no thanks. Ron Paul is a seriously deranged person. Anyone who thinks America can stand alone in the world while all the other large nations empire the rest of the world and prevent us from accessing resources from the rest of world is not a patriot.

astonerii on December 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I was speaking of Ron Paul. I do not know what you are referring to regarding anti-semitism.

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Try educating yourself.

Buttercup on December 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Mr. Paul(Ron) talks like Barry Goldwater, but Barry Goldwater he isn’t. Nor was he ever. Again, talkin ain’t doin, his record in congress, and I actually applaud him for the legislation he has’t passed, says to me that a man of that stature who has served so long should have accomplished more.(read; repeal more legislation than the record I see) His record of money flowing back to his district however says much too. He is an eloquent speaker make no mistake and he says all the right things, but in my estimation, his accomplishments do not add up to the eloquent rhetoric(meant in the classical sense).

MarshFox on December 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Holding the position that there is no possibility of discussion is holding the position of a true believer. The mind is made up..the mind is closed to any suggestion that it may be closed.
This is not the way to succeed in much of anything of importance imo.

Mimzey on December 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Brain dead strawman.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 4:25 PM

The GOP has become a TV commercial generating machine, in cooperation with the MSM, which is well compensated. The MSM is the GOP’s gatekeeper. In order to bust through the gate, conservatives need to get past Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and other Republican MSM gatekeepers who have lead the party astray, and get more of their news and analysis from diverse sources online, even if you disagree with some of it.

One place I recommend traditional conservatives start perusing to get a new perspective is ZeroHedge.com. There are people on the right and left there, it seems to me, but most all of them are old fashioned free market capitalists who oppose Keynesian/cronyism and bailouts, etc.

In this day and age I don’t think that capitalists can afford to split their vote anymore. I think we need a new party that represents 50% +1 or more of the people who desire freedom and liberty over tyranny, and have the minority party for those who desire more statist corruption and tyranny. That means conservatives are going to need to forge new alliances and compromise with people who are on the freedom and liberty side of the equation but not traditional conservatives.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Howdy MarshFox – just acknowledging that I read your comments.

Be safe and well.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Do you get sarcasm, without this /?

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t. And I hate the “/”.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Try educating yourself.

Buttercup on December 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM

That goes for you, Buttercup. Paul is not anti-semitic.

Mr. Paul(Ron) talks like Barry Goldwater, but Barry Goldwater he isn’t. Nor was he ever. Again, talkin ain’t doin, his record in congress, and I actually applaud him for the legislation he has’t passed, says to me that a man of that stature who has served so long should have accomplished more.(read; repeal more legislation than the record I see) His record of money flowing back to his district however says much too. He is an eloquent speaker make no mistake and he says all the right things, but in my estimation, his accomplishments do not add up to the eloquent rhetoric(meant in the classical sense).

MarshFox on December 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM

This is the typical argument I see against Paul. Paul did what he could; he voted no to unconstitutional legislation and voted against the government infringing upon our liberties. Your issue shouldn’t be with Paul, but with those who didn’t vote with him. He is only one vote, and you know full well it takes more than one vote to pass legislation or to repeal it.

Regarding money going back to his district, that is one of the roles of Congress. The government seizes our money. Should money not be returned to a district?

Dante on December 4, 2012 at 4:31 PM

In this day and age I don’t think that capitalists can afford to split their vote anymore. I think we need a new party that represents 50% +1 or more of the people who desire freedom and liberty over tyranny, and have the minority party for those who desire more statist corruption and tyranny. That means conservatives are going to need to forge new alliances and compromise with people who are on the freedom and liberty side of the equation but not traditional conservatives.

FloatingRock on December 4, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Agreed on all
But not with Paul

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Just like Rush he makes a living on the Radio.

It is best to keep the platform and sometimes making the message slowly is the best way to present it anyway. Other times sarcasm and playing the devil is the way. It is partially entertainment as well.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Levin does have his radio program Steveangell. However, he is the founder and head of the Landmark Legal Foundation and does much work there protecting our rights under the Constitution/Bill of Rights. He also works with other Legal causes. And he is an author of several books.

bluefox on December 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM

My only point was Levin and Rush are radio personalities and that requires certain things.

But as you point out Levin is far more accomplished on the Legal Front than Rush who is the number one Radio Personality but lacks the kind of authority that Levin has in the field of Law. I get more than just an opinion with Levin I get his legal opinion. I sometimes get more from Rush but only because he points out something that came from someone else.

But both of them are very good at the game of Radio which means they measure their responses to fast changing stories and also consider their audience realizing maximizing the number of listeners while making them richer also gets the overall message out more widely. They will both offer opinions that sometimes lose audience but they do so in a measured way. After all it is their point of view that is selling so well even these days.

Steveangell on December 4, 2012 at 4:32 PM

fortunately, a lot of people don’t. And I hate the “/”.

besser tot als rot on December 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Agreed, on both

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2012 at 4:32 PM

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